Airplane noise concerns overblown?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did you all grow up on a farm in Idaho? You live in/near the helicopter capital of the world. Obviously there will be city noise, airplanes, helicopters. If you don’t like it, live elsewhere.

It really more peaceful to live outside the flight trajectory in Logan Circle than it is in the Palisades or along MacArthur?

Not true. Most of DC is just fine.

Until the gunshots!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did you all grow up on a farm in Idaho? You live in/near the helicopter capital of the world. Obviously there will be city noise, airplanes, helicopters. If you don’t like it, live elsewhere.

It really more peaceful to live outside the flight trajectory in Logan Circle than it is in the Palisades or along MacArthur?

You again, with a false choice.
In fact, yes, Logan Circle is far more peaceful and less polluted.
Guess what, Forest Hills, Chevy Chase, Cleveland Park, Woolley Park and Garfield even more so!

Logan Circle is more peaceful than the Palisades? LOL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No it’s not true for most of DMV. Most of DC gets none! This gaslighting is really tiresome!

An example of a disclosure

https://www.loudoun.gov/5657/Airport-Impact-Overlay-District-Update

An example of a consequence

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/real-estate/fl-bz-real-estate-col-03202017-story.html

I know which I’d rather have, and I sense we disagree b/c you want to, to borrow the language, punk the next punter

So it looks like this Loudoun Airport Impact Overlay district for areas that get 60-65 Day-Night Average Sound Level. DC did a study in 2015-2016 and found that no areas of DC get this level so there would be no AOID in DC at all even if DC adopted the Loudoun approach.
https://doee.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ddoe/service_content/attachments/DCAAirplaneNoiseAssessmentFinalComprehensiveReportSep2018.pdf

[Anonymous]

That was before the Next Gen. DC under the flight path now has dB 55-59 average which is artificially low. Of course the noise is breaking DC regulations already even if you assume the reported level is that low. When I measured dBs they were consistently in the 60s and 70s, averaging 67dB. Again, that was specific to 1-2 blocks but is instructive.

To the PPs, saying the choice is gunshots or bad schools or whatever, that’s just ridiculous. There are many neighborhoods, just as nice, with better elementary and middle schools and no planes. Everyone has a right to their preference, but I wanted to highlight this in case someone moving to DC stumbles upon those posts. There’s a list somewhere in this thread with a number of even more prestigious zip codes that have no planes and have the same or better conditions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That was before the Next Gen. DC under the flight path now has dB 55-59 average which is artificially low. Of course the noise is breaking DC regulations already even if you assume the reported level is that low. When I measured dBs they were consistently in the 60s and 70s, averaging 67dB. Again, that was specific to 1-2 blocks but is instructive.

To the PPs, saying the choice is gunshots or bad schools or whatever, that’s just ridiculous. There are many neighborhoods, just as nice, with better elementary and middle schools and no planes. Everyone has a right to their preference, but I wanted to highlight this in case someone moving to DC stumbles upon those posts. There’s a list somewhere in this thread with a number of even more prestigious zip codes that have no planes and have the same or better conditions.

Wrong. "Noise modeling was conducted for eight days in 2010 and eight days in 2015-2016 to show the difference in aircraft noise levels as a result of the implementation of the NextGen program at DCA"
https://doee.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ddoe/service_content/attachments/DCAAirplaneNoiseAssessmentFinalComprehensiveReportSep2018.pdf

[Anonymous]

Have a look at the National Transportation Noise Map data which are more recent. Palisades up to W St NW I’d 55-59 dBA 24 hr LAeq, and the rest of the neighborhoods under the flight path are 50-54.9. That’s an average which means that there are many hundreds of much louder planes.

If you look at the combined road and airplane traffic, there are big parts of the Palisades where the average noise is 60-69.9 (such as around Macarthur, Canal, Foxhall). The greatest factor there is the flight path because the houses by the worst of the Connecticut or Wisconsin traffic are at still merely at 50-54.9.

What that doesn’t account for are the noise frequencies - airplanes and revving motorcycles sound much more annoying than cars to most people. Plane noise and frequencies have been shown to affect the body whether you “hear” them or not, including higher blood pressure, stress, inflammation and similar.

DCA # of operations had grown significantly since that time too. And continues to do so.

There are no planes and no noise from about Washington Cathedral, so Woodley Park, Cleveland, Park, DC Chevy Chase.

That’s the data. As I said, anyone measuring morning plane traffic knows very well it’s in the high 60s, 70s and similar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have a look at the National Transportation Noise Map data which are more recent. Palisades up to W St NW I’d 55-59 dBA 24 hr LAeq, and the rest of the neighborhoods under the flight path are 50-54.9. That’s an average which means that there are many hundreds of much louder planes.

If you look at the combined road and airplane traffic, there are big parts of the Palisades where the average noise is 60-69.9 (such as around Macarthur, Canal, Foxhall). The greatest factor there is the flight path because the houses by the worst of the Connecticut or Wisconsin traffic are at still merely at 50-54.9.

What that doesn’t account for are the noise frequencies - airplanes and revving motorcycles sound much more annoying than cars to most people. Plane noise and frequencies have been shown to affect the body whether you “hear” them or not, including higher blood pressure, stress, inflammation and similar.

DCA # of operations had grown significantly since that time too. And continues to do so.

There are no planes and no noise from about Washington Cathedral, so Woodley Park, Cleveland, Park, DC Chevy Chase.

That’s the data. As I said, anyone measuring morning plane traffic knows very well it’s in the high 60s, 70s and similar.

"The National Transportation Noise Map and associated data were developed for national level analysis and includes simplified noise modeling. It is intended for the tracking of trends and should not be used to evaluate noise levels in individual locations and/or at specific times."

https://www.bts.gov/geospatial/national-transportation-noise-map

Seems you just don't like the actual data.

[Anonymous]

The actual data are far worse, take thee and your dB outside and measure. People who said it was unbearable are right. The lowest I measured was 67dB in the am set, every 60 seconds or so

[Anonymous]

The flights on DC are illegal.

Based on report:

https://doee.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ddoe/service_content/attachments/DCAAirplaneNoiseAssessmentFinalComprehensiveReportSep2018.pdf

We have identified the follow issues with the relocated arrival paths:
 Flight tracks moved (relocated) more than a half mile east off of the western shoreline.
 No environmental review documents presented; original approach was amended.
 Lack of compliance to FAA Orders 7100.9, 1050.1E, and 7100.4.
 Increased track miles on the approaches.
 Increase operation cost to user.
 Increased environmental impacts to historic and noise sensitive neighborhoods; noncompliance
with FAA order 1050.1E, Appendix A, §6.2 (h).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The actual data are far worse, take thee and your dB outside and measure. People who said it was unbearable are right. The lowest I measured was 67dB in the am set, every 60 seconds or so

Just went and measured and didn't get anything close to 67 dB.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The actual data are far worse, take thee and your dB outside and measure. People who said it was unbearable are right. The lowest I measured was 67dB in the am set, every 60 seconds or so

If it is unbearable you must sell your house right now. At least I'd advise you to get to a hotel as soon as possible where there is less noise until you can sell. Hurry up.

[Anonymous]

Whatever. At least more people now know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The actual data are far worse, take thee and your dB outside and measure. People who said it was unbearable are right. The lowest I measured was 67dB in the am set, every 60 seconds or so

Don't you have better things to do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The actual data are far worse, take thee and your dB outside and measure. People who said it was unbearable are right. The lowest I measured was 67dB in the am set, every 60 seconds or so

Don't you have better things to do?

Obviously not. This PP seems to have devoted their life to measuring airplane noise in a neighborhood where they do not even live and warning about an imminent housing crash based on people finally noticing that there is this awful noise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whatever. At least more people now know.

But it's so loud. How could they not?