What's your favorite celebrity mystery or secret scandal?

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Anonymous wrote:Re: Tom Cruise

When Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes started dating, I had a friend in the entertainment industry who told me the following:
Apparently everyone in Hollywood knows Tom Cruise is gay. He auditioned women to be his wife and picked Katie Holmes. They both had movies coming out and their relationship would help with publicity (Katie Holmes was not getting such amazing reviews from Batman Begins!). They had a 6 year contract.

Lo and behold, after 6 years, they got divorced!

This. There was no divorce scheme, her father didn’t rescue her, she didn’t escape. Her contract ended as planned.

And A kid was dragged into all this?

Was all part of the deal.

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Anonymous wrote:Anthony Bourdain's suicide.

It is so hard to believe that a successful 61 year old who had surmounted so much in his life, would impulsively hang himself just before a planned dinner with a dear friend and his colleagues while in a hotel overseas.

More importantly, he had a minor daughter whom he loved dearly and a good coparenting relationship with her mother.

IMO, I think it was a case of autoerotic asphyxiation. I think his freewheeling and "open" relationship with Asia Argento may have had something to do with it. It seems he went off the rails a bit after he met her.

Perhaps he was introduced or encouraged to use asphyxiation and it went terribly wrong for him. He was always looking for new and exciting food experiences, why not sexual?

From what I read about him, he was suicidal for a lot of his life. So it was amazing that he made it as long as he did. But yeah, Asia Argento was the catalyst, and she’s pretty terrible. I feel bad for his kid and ex-wife.

It just seems like such an odd way/place to do it. Especially if you want to be "successful." Using a terry cloth bathrobe belt from a hotel's closet rod seems a bad choice for a guy who was pretty intelligent and street-smart. Knots loosen, fabric could rip, or rod could snap/bend under the weight. He would have certainly been taller than the clothes rod. Choosing to do it while being overseas in a hotel room seems off too.

He was expected for dinner and his absence meant there was a good likelihood he might have been either interrupted or found and resuscitated. It seems like an erudite guy like Bourdain might have considered those factors. That's why I think it may have been an auto-erotic thing gone wrong, which is not unheard of for male celebrities.

Hey, I was just thinking about INXS singer Michael Hutchence, who I beleived had died in an act of autoerotic asphyxiation, but appears that is not true. I just read up on it. Hutchence was in a very dramatic relationship with Paula Yates and had drug abuse problems. Also he was distraught over child custody issues, and was upset that he wasn't going to get an expected visit with his daughter. He hung himself with a belt alone in his hotel room.

The autoerotic asphyxiation idea came from Paula, who was apparently in denial over the suicide. She died of a heroin overdose in 2000. Her ex Bob Geldof raised Hutchence and Paula's daughter Tiger alongside the 4 daughters he had with Paula.

Anyway, I was surprised by the parallels between Anthony and Michael. Both had struggled with drugs and depression. Both were in fairly new and very dramatic relationships. Both took their life in a hotel room by hanging.

Yet without a note or other direct evidence of bona fide suicide there is still an element of doubt simply because there ARE cases of death by asphyxiation - and many families may not want that information exposed. That's why I think the Bourdain case fits the "Favorite Celebrity Mystery" title of this thread.

I would imagine Bourdain had a significant life insurance policy and wonder if the company flat-out refused payment under the suicide clause. However, if it was eventually ruled as accidental asphyxiation it might have bearing on the pay out.

I have more thoughts about your last paragraph. I do believe that life insurance payouts become more relevant if the deceased is poorer. Let's say a father makes $100k and his family is dependent on that money, the life insurance is very important. Questions of suicide or accident are hot if the family needs the money badly.

Bourdain died with just over $1 million. You would think it would be more. However. Dude only became a star in the last 20+/- years of his life, before that, he was a paycheck-to-paycheck kitchen cook. Then he wasn't used to having money, didn't necessarily respect the money. Maybe even disrespected the money. Who knows of he even had life insurance.

He did however have a will that set up a trust for his daughter, and so she is set.

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Anonymous wrote:Anthony Bourdain's suicide.

It is so hard to believe that a successful 61 year old who had surmounted so much in his life, would impulsively hang himself just before a planned dinner with a dear friend and his colleagues while in a hotel overseas.

More importantly, he had a minor daughter whom he loved dearly and a good coparenting relationship with her mother.

IMO, I think it was a case of autoerotic asphyxiation. I think his freewheeling and "open" relationship with Asia Argento may have had something to do with it. It seems he went off the rails a bit after he met her.

Perhaps he was introduced or encouraged to use asphyxiation and it went terribly wrong for him. He was always looking for new and exciting food experiences, why not sexual?

From what I read about him, he was suicidal for a lot of his life. So it was amazing that he made it as long as he did. But yeah, Asia Argento was the catalyst, and she’s pretty terrible. I feel bad for his kid and ex-wife.

It just seems like such an odd way/place to do it. Especially if you want to be "successful." Using a terry cloth bathrobe belt from a hotel's closet rod seems a bad choice for a guy who was pretty intelligent and street-smart. Knots loosen, fabric could rip, or rod could snap/bend under the weight. He would have certainly been taller than the clothes rod. Choosing to do it while being overseas in a hotel room seems off too.

He was expected for dinner and his absence meant there was a good likelihood he might have been either interrupted or found and resuscitated. It seems like an erudite guy like Bourdain might have considered those factors. That's why I think it may have been an auto-erotic thing gone wrong, which is not unheard of for male celebrities.

Hey, I was just thinking about INXS singer Michael Hutchence, who I beleived had died in an act of autoerotic asphyxiation, but appears that is not true. I just read up on it. Hutchence was in a very dramatic relationship with Paula Yates and had drug abuse problems. Also he was distraught over child custody issues, and was upset that he wasn't going to get an expected visit with his daughter. He hung himself with a belt alone in his hotel room.

The autoerotic asphyxiation idea came from Paula, who was apparently in denial over the suicide. She died of a heroin overdose in 2000. Her ex Bob Geldof raised Hutchence and Paula's daughter Tiger alongside the 4 daughters he had with Paula.

Anyway, I was surprised by the parallels between Anthony and Michael. Both had struggled with drugs and depression. Both were in fairly new and very dramatic relationships. Both took their life in a hotel room by hanging.

Yet without a note or other direct evidence of bona fide suicide there is still an element of doubt simply because there ARE cases of death by asphyxiation - and many families may not want that information exposed. That's why I think the Bourdain case fits the "Favorite Celebrity Mystery" title of this thread.

I would imagine Bourdain had a significant life insurance policy and wonder if the company flat-out refused payment under the suicide clause. However, if it was eventually ruled as accidental asphyxiation it might have bearing on the pay out.

I have more thoughts about your last paragraph. I do believe that life insurance payouts become more relevant if the deceased is poorer. Let's say a father makes $100k and his family is dependent on that money, the life insurance is very important. Questions of suicide or accident are hot if the family needs the money badly.

Bourdain died with just over $1 million. You would think it would be more. However. Dude only became a star in the last 20+/- years of his life, before that, he was a paycheck-to-paycheck kitchen cook. Then he wasn't used to having money, didn't necessarily respect the money. Maybe even disrespected the money. Who knows of he even had life insurance.

He did however have a will that set up a trust for his daughter, and so she is set.

I was shocked by his death, generally, but I was also really surprised by this. 61 years old and worth 1 million? A govt employee that age likely has that money. Why was it not a LOT more and what's the trust for his daughter and how is she "set"?

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Anonymous wrote:Anthony Bourdain's suicide.

It is so hard to believe that a successful 61 year old who had surmounted so much in his life, would impulsively hang himself just before a planned dinner with a dear friend and his colleagues while in a hotel overseas.

More importantly, he had a minor daughter whom he loved dearly and a good coparenting relationship with her mother.

IMO, I think it was a case of autoerotic asphyxiation. I think his freewheeling and "open" relationship with Asia Argento may have had something to do with it. It seems he went off the rails a bit after he met her.

Perhaps he was introduced or encouraged to use asphyxiation and it went terribly wrong for him. He was always looking for new and exciting food experiences, why not sexual?

From what I read about him, he was suicidal for a lot of his life. So it was amazing that he made it as long as he did. But yeah, Asia Argento was the catalyst, and she’s pretty terrible. I feel bad for his kid and ex-wife.

It just seems like such an odd way/place to do it. Especially if you want to be "successful." Using a terry cloth bathrobe belt from a hotel's closet rod seems a bad choice for a guy who was pretty intelligent and street-smart. Knots loosen, fabric could rip, or rod could snap/bend under the weight. He would have certainly been taller than the clothes rod. Choosing to do it while being overseas in a hotel room seems off too.

He was expected for dinner and his absence meant there was a good likelihood he might have been either interrupted or found and resuscitated. It seems like an erudite guy like Bourdain might have considered those factors. That's why I think it may have been an auto-erotic thing gone wrong, which is not unheard of for male celebrities.

Hey, I was just thinking about INXS singer Michael Hutchence, who I beleived had died in an act of autoerotic asphyxiation, but appears that is not true. I just read up on it. Hutchence was in a very dramatic relationship with Paula Yates and had drug abuse problems. Also he was distraught over child custody issues, and was upset that he wasn't going to get an expected visit with his daughter. He hung himself with a belt alone in his hotel room.

The autoerotic asphyxiation idea came from Paula, who was apparently in denial over the suicide. She died of a heroin overdose in 2000. Her ex Bob Geldof raised Hutchence and Paula's daughter Tiger alongside the 4 daughters he had with Paula.

Anyway, I was surprised by the parallels between Anthony and Michael. Both had struggled with drugs and depression. Both were in fairly new and very dramatic relationships. Both took their life in a hotel room by hanging.

Yet without a note or other direct evidence of bona fide suicide there is still an element of doubt simply because there ARE cases of death by asphyxiation - and many families may not want that information exposed. That's why I think the Bourdain case fits the "Favorite Celebrity Mystery" title of this thread.

I would imagine Bourdain had a significant life insurance policy and wonder if the company flat-out refused payment under the suicide clause. However, if it was eventually ruled as accidental asphyxiation it might have bearing on the pay out.

I have more thoughts about your last paragraph. I do believe that life insurance payouts become more relevant if the deceased is poorer. Let's say a father makes $100k and his family is dependent on that money, the life insurance is very important. Questions of suicide or accident are hot if the family needs the money badly.

Bourdain died with just over $1 million. You would think it would be more. However. Dude only became a star in the last 20+/- years of his life, before that, he was a paycheck-to-paycheck kitchen cook. Then he wasn't used to having money, didn't necessarily respect the money. Maybe even disrespected the money. Who knows of he even had life insurance.

He did however have a will that set up a trust for his daughter, and so she is set.

I was shocked by his death, generally, but I was also really surprised by this. 61 years old and worth 1 million? A govt employee that age likely has that money. Why was it not a LOT more and what's the trust for his daughter and how is she "set"?

He published his book in 2000. Then things took off from there, he had less than 20 years to make wealth. My guess is that he spent a lot and took a while to figure out he needed to do responsible things. Like a big dumb kid. But at least he made a trust for his girl, she is still young and money has some time to grow. I am saying she is "set" because that's how I would feel if I knew I had $1 million coming. Might seem paltry to some but I would respect my dad for it.

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Anonymous wrote:Re: Tom Cruise

When Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes started dating, I had a friend in the entertainment industry who told me the following:
Apparently everyone in Hollywood knows Tom Cruise is gay. He auditioned women to be his wife and picked Katie Holmes. They both had movies coming out and their relationship would help with publicity (Katie Holmes was not getting such amazing reviews from Batman Begins!). They had a 6 year contract.

Lo and behold, after 6 years, they got divorced!

This. There was no divorce scheme, her father didn’t rescue her, she didn’t escape. Her contract ended as planned.

If it was a planned contract ending, why did it seem so dramatic, like she was escaping in secrecy? I would think that wouldn't have been part of the plan because it makes Tom look bad versus a planned amicable split.

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Anonymous wrote:Re: Tom Cruise

When Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes started dating, I had a friend in the entertainment industry who told me the following:
Apparently everyone in Hollywood knows Tom Cruise is gay. He auditioned women to be his wife and picked Katie Holmes. They both had movies coming out and their relationship would help with publicity (Katie Holmes was not getting such amazing reviews from Batman Begins!). They had a 6 year contract.

Lo and behold, after 6 years, they got divorced!

This. There was no divorce scheme, her father didn’t rescue her, she didn’t escape. Her contract ended as planned.

If it was a planned contract ending, why did it seem so dramatic, like she was escaping in secrecy? I would think that wouldn't have been part of the plan because it makes Tom look bad versus a planned amicable split.

I can believe all of this except the amicable ending of the contractual marriage. There in no way no way Tom or his cult let her walk away with their kid. From what they did to a Nicole Kidman, there is no way the suddenly became “reasonable” and simply honored a contract. They did everything in their power to ruin Nicole Kidman, throw her out, keep and indoctrinate their kids against her, ban her from big movie companies and work etc etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Re: Tom Cruise

When Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes started dating, I had a friend in the entertainment industry who told me the following:
Apparently everyone in Hollywood knows Tom Cruise is gay. He auditioned women to be his wife and picked Katie Holmes. They both had movies coming out and their relationship would help with publicity (Katie Holmes was not getting such amazing reviews from Batman Begins!). They had a 6 year contract.

Lo and behold, after 6 years, they got divorced!

This. There was no divorce scheme, her father didn’t rescue her, she didn’t escape. Her contract ended as planned.

If it was a planned contract ending, why did it seem so dramatic, like she was escaping in secrecy? I would think that wouldn't have been part of the plan because it makes Tom look bad versus a planned amicable split.

I can believe all of this except the amicable ending of the contractual marriage. There in no way no way Tom or his cult let her walk away with their kid. From what they did to a Nicole Kidman, there is no way the suddenly became “reasonable” and simply honored a contract. They did everything in their power to ruin Nicole Kidman, throw her out, keep and indoctrinate their kids against her, ban her from big movie companies and work etc etc.

Katie escaping looked terrible for TC & cult and only gave credence to Nicole’s saga.

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Anonymous wrote:Anthony Bourdain's suicide.

It is so hard to believe that a successful 61 year old who had surmounted so much in his life, would impulsively hang himself just before a planned dinner with a dear friend and his colleagues while in a hotel overseas.

More importantly, he had a minor daughter whom he loved dearly and a good coparenting relationship with her mother.

IMO, I think it was a case of autoerotic asphyxiation. I think his freewheeling and "open" relationship with Asia Argento may have had something to do with it. It seems he went off the rails a bit after he met her.

Perhaps he was introduced or encouraged to use asphyxiation and it went terribly wrong for him. He was always looking for new and exciting food experiences, why not sexual?

From what I read about him, he was suicidal for a lot of his life. So it was amazing that he made it as long as he did. But yeah, Asia Argento was the catalyst, and she’s pretty terrible. I feel bad for his kid and ex-wife.

It just seems like such an odd way/place to do it. Especially if you want to be "successful." Using a terry cloth bathrobe belt from a hotel's closet rod seems a bad choice for a guy who was pretty intelligent and street-smart. Knots loosen, fabric could rip, or rod could snap/bend under the weight. He would have certainly been taller than the clothes rod. Choosing to do it while being overseas in a hotel room seems off too.

He was expected for dinner and his absence meant there was a good likelihood he might have been either interrupted or found and resuscitated. It seems like an erudite guy like Bourdain might have considered those factors. That's why I think it may have been an auto-erotic thing gone wrong, which is not unheard of for male celebrities.

Hey, I was just thinking about INXS singer Michael Hutchence, who I beleived had died in an act of autoerotic asphyxiation, but appears that is not true. I just read up on it. Hutchence was in a very dramatic relationship with Paula Yates and had drug abuse problems. Also he was distraught over child custody issues, and was upset that he wasn't going to get an expected visit with his daughter. He hung himself with a belt alone in his hotel room.

The autoerotic asphyxiation idea came from Paula, who was apparently in denial over the suicide. She died of a heroin overdose in 2000. Her ex Bob Geldof raised Hutchence and Paula's daughter Tiger alongside the 4 daughters he had with Paula.

Anyway, I was surprised by the parallels between Anthony and Michael. Both had struggled with drugs and depression. Both were in fairly new and very dramatic relationships. Both took their life in a hotel room by hanging.

Yet without a note or other direct evidence of bona fide suicide there is still an element of doubt simply because there ARE cases of death by asphyxiation - and many families may not want that information exposed. That's why I think the Bourdain case fits the "Favorite Celebrity Mystery" title of this thread.

I would imagine Bourdain had a significant life insurance policy and wonder if the company flat-out refused payment under the suicide clause. However, if it was eventually ruled as accidental asphyxiation it might have bearing on the pay out.

I have more thoughts about your last paragraph. I do believe that life insurance payouts become more relevant if the deceased is poorer. Let's say a father makes $100k and his family is dependent on that money, the life insurance is very important. Questions of suicide or accident are hot if the family needs the money badly.

Bourdain died with just over $1 million. You would think it would be more. However. Dude only became a star in the last 20+/- years of his life, before that, he was a paycheck-to-paycheck kitchen cook. Then he wasn't used to having money, didn't necessarily respect the money. Maybe even disrespected the money. Who knows of he even had life insurance.

He did however have a will that set up a trust for his daughter, and so she is set.

I was shocked by his death, generally, but I was also really surprised by this. 61 years old and worth 1 million? A govt employee that age likely has that money. Why was it not a LOT more and what's the trust for his daughter and how is she "set"?

I think he did. It is almost a certainty he had insurance as part of his contract with the network. He was technically "on the job" even though cause of death was questionable. Plus, I find it hard to believe that any financial advisor (or even his ex-wife as part of divorce/child maintenance) didn't have a conversation with him about insurance for his daughter.

Like I said, he was a pretty smart guy. He KNEW if he committed suicide that insurance wouldn't pay out, neither his employer's nor his own. I could see him getting in a little sports car and "accidentally" hitting a tree at full speed. But the method he used was so fraught with problems, the primary being no insurance pay out, that I still think his death is a mystery.

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^Have life insurance.

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Anonymous wrote:Anthony Bourdain's suicide.

It is so hard to believe that a successful 61 year old who had surmounted so much in his life, would impulsively hang himself just before a planned dinner with a dear friend and his colleagues while in a hotel overseas.

More importantly, he had a minor daughter whom he loved dearly and a good coparenting relationship with her mother.

IMO, I think it was a case of autoerotic asphyxiation. I think his freewheeling and "open" relationship with Asia Argento may have had something to do with it. It seems he went off the rails a bit after he met her.

Perhaps he was introduced or encouraged to use asphyxiation and it went terribly wrong for him. He was always looking for new and exciting food experiences, why not sexual?

From what I read about him, he was suicidal for a lot of his life. So it was amazing that he made it as long as he did. But yeah, Asia Argento was the catalyst, and she’s pretty terrible. I feel bad for his kid and ex-wife.

It just seems like such an odd way/place to do it. Especially if you want to be "successful." Using a terry cloth bathrobe belt from a hotel's closet rod seems a bad choice for a guy who was pretty intelligent and street-smart. Knots loosen, fabric could rip, or rod could snap/bend under the weight. He would have certainly been taller than the clothes rod. Choosing to do it while being overseas in a hotel room seems off too.

He was expected for dinner and his absence meant there was a good likelihood he might have been either interrupted or found and resuscitated. It seems like an erudite guy like Bourdain might have considered those factors. That's why I think it may have been an auto-erotic thing gone wrong, which is not unheard of for male celebrities.

Hey, I was just thinking about INXS singer Michael Hutchence, who I beleived had died in an act of autoerotic asphyxiation, but appears that is not true. I just read up on it. Hutchence was in a very dramatic relationship with Paula Yates and had drug abuse problems. Also he was distraught over child custody issues, and was upset that he wasn't going to get an expected visit with his daughter. He hung himself with a belt alone in his hotel room.

The autoerotic asphyxiation idea came from Paula, who was apparently in denial over the suicide. She died of a heroin overdose in 2000. Her ex Bob Geldof raised Hutchence and Paula's daughter Tiger alongside the 4 daughters he had with Paula.

Anyway, I was surprised by the parallels between Anthony and Michael. Both had struggled with drugs and depression. Both were in fairly new and very dramatic relationships. Both took their life in a hotel room by hanging.

Yet without a note or other direct evidence of bona fide suicide there is still an element of doubt simply because there ARE cases of death by asphyxiation - and many families may not want that information exposed. That's why I think the Bourdain case fits the "Favorite Celebrity Mystery" title of this thread.

I would imagine Bourdain had a significant life insurance policy and wonder if the company flat-out refused payment under the suicide clause. However, if it was eventually ruled as accidental asphyxiation it might have bearing on the pay out.

I have more thoughts about your last paragraph. I do believe that life insurance payouts become more relevant if the deceased is poorer. Let's say a father makes $100k and his family is dependent on that money, the life insurance is very important. Questions of suicide or accident are hot if the family needs the money badly.

Bourdain died with just over $1 million. You would think it would be more. However. Dude only became a star in the last 20+/- years of his life, before that, he was a paycheck-to-paycheck kitchen cook. Then he wasn't used to having money, didn't necessarily respect the money. Maybe even disrespected the money. Who knows of he even had life insurance.

He did however have a will that set up a trust for his daughter, and so she is set.

I was shocked by his death, generally, but I was also really surprised by this. 61 years old and worth 1 million? A govt employee that age likely has that money. Why was it not a LOT more and what's the trust for his daughter and how is she "set"?

I think he did. It is almost a certainty he had insurance as part of his contract with the network. He was technically "on the job" even though cause of death was questionable. Plus, I find it hard to believe that any financial advisor (or even his ex-wife as part of divorce/child maintenance) didn't have a conversation with him about insurance for his daughter.

Like I said, he was a pretty smart guy. He KNEW if he committed suicide that insurance wouldn't pay out, neither his employer's nor his own. I could see him getting in a little sports car and "accidentally" hitting a tree at full speed. But the method he used was so fraught with problems, the primary being no insurance pay out, that I still think his death is a mystery.

In every state that I’m aware of (most of them), the suicide exclusion has a limit of 2 years, after that it’s paid, without exception. I have no dog in this fight but the only way a life insurance payout is denied is if someone bought the policy less than 2 years before their death. After 2 years, a payment cannot be denied.

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Anonymous wrote:Re: Tom Cruise

When Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes started dating, I had a friend in the entertainment industry who told me the following:
Apparently everyone in Hollywood knows Tom Cruise is gay. He auditioned women to be his wife and picked Katie Holmes. They both had movies coming out and their relationship would help with publicity (Katie Holmes was not getting such amazing reviews from Batman Begins!). They had a 6 year contract.

Lo and behold, after 6 years, they got divorced!

This. There was no divorce scheme, her father didn’t rescue her, she didn’t escape. Her contract ended as planned.

If it was a planned contract ending, why did it seem so dramatic, like she was escaping in secrecy? I would think that wouldn't have been part of the plan because it makes Tom look bad versus a planned amicable split.

I can believe all of this except the amicable ending of the contractual marriage. There in no way no way Tom or his cult let her walk away with their kid. From what they did to a Nicole Kidman, there is no way the suddenly became “reasonable” and simply honored a contract. They did everything in their power to ruin Nicole Kidman, throw her out, keep and indoctrinate their kids against her, ban her from big movie companies and work etc etc.

This. Tom has come out worse from this sham marriage, which was intended to make him look better and elevate his credibility. My guess is that Katie gathered dirt and threatened to expose his homosexuality and crazy cult if he didn’t give her a divorce and full custody of Suri. Surely, there was a non-disclosure signed as part of the marriage contract, but the worst thing Tom could do would be sue her for breach. I suspect his choice was that all his secrets would be exposed and his only recourse was to bankrupt Katie vs. or give her a divorce.

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What really happened with Carrie Underwood. All that weird mystique about her falling and her face being permanently disfigured but it isn’t but she still looks kinda different … what happened

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Anonymous wrote:Anthony Bourdain's suicide.

It is so hard to believe that a successful 61 year old who had surmounted so much in his life, would impulsively hang himself just before a planned dinner with a dear friend and his colleagues while in a hotel overseas.

More importantly, he had a minor daughter whom he loved dearly and a good coparenting relationship with her mother.

IMO, I think it was a case of autoerotic asphyxiation. I think his freewheeling and "open" relationship with Asia Argento may have had something to do with it. It seems he went off the rails a bit after he met her.

Perhaps he was introduced or encouraged to use asphyxiation and it went terribly wrong for him. He was always looking for new and exciting food experiences, why not sexual?

From what I read about him, he was suicidal for a lot of his life. So it was amazing that he made it as long as he did. But yeah, Asia Argento was the catalyst, and she’s pretty terrible. I feel bad for his kid and ex-wife.

It just seems like such an odd way/place to do it. Especially if you want to be "successful." Using a terry cloth bathrobe belt from a hotel's closet rod seems a bad choice for a guy who was pretty intelligent and street-smart. Knots loosen, fabric could rip, or rod could snap/bend under the weight. He would have certainly been taller than the clothes rod. Choosing to do it while being overseas in a hotel room seems off too.

He was expected for dinner and his absence meant there was a good likelihood he might have been either interrupted or found and resuscitated. It seems like an erudite guy like Bourdain might have considered those factors. That's why I think it may have been an auto-erotic thing gone wrong, which is not unheard of for male celebrities.

Hey, I was just thinking about INXS singer Michael Hutchence, who I beleived had died in an act of autoerotic asphyxiation, but appears that is not true. I just read up on it. Hutchence was in a very dramatic relationship with Paula Yates and had drug abuse problems. Also he was distraught over child custody issues, and was upset that he wasn't going to get an expected visit with his daughter. He hung himself with a belt alone in his hotel room.

The autoerotic asphyxiation idea came from Paula, who was apparently in denial over the suicide. She died of a heroin overdose in 2000. Her ex Bob Geldof raised Hutchence and Paula's daughter Tiger alongside the 4 daughters he had with Paula.

Anyway, I was surprised by the parallels between Anthony and Michael. Both had struggled with drugs and depression. Both were in fairly new and very dramatic relationships. Both took their life in a hotel room by hanging.

Yet without a note or other direct evidence of bona fide suicide there is still an element of doubt simply because there ARE cases of death by asphyxiation - and many families may not want that information exposed. That's why I think the Bourdain case fits the "Favorite Celebrity Mystery" title of this thread.

I would imagine Bourdain had a significant life insurance policy and wonder if the company flat-out refused payment under the suicide clause. However, if it was eventually ruled as accidental asphyxiation it might have bearing on the pay out.

I have more thoughts about your last paragraph. I do believe that life insurance payouts become more relevant if the deceased is poorer. Let's say a father makes $100k and his family is dependent on that money, the life insurance is very important. Questions of suicide or accident are hot if the family needs the money badly.

Bourdain died with just over $1 million. You would think it would be more. However. Dude only became a star in the last 20+/- years of his life, before that, he was a paycheck-to-paycheck kitchen cook. Then he wasn't used to having money, didn't necessarily respect the money. Maybe even disrespected the money. Who knows of he even had life insurance.

He did however have a will that set up a trust for his daughter, and so she is set.

I was shocked by his death, generally, but I was also really surprised by this. 61 years old and worth 1 million? A govt employee that age likely has that money. Why was it not a LOT more and what's the trust for his daughter and how is she "set"?

I think he did. It is almost a certainty he had insurance as part of his contract with the network. He was technically "on the job" even though cause of death was questionable. Plus, I find it hard to believe that any financial advisor (or even his ex-wife as part of divorce/child maintenance) didn't have a conversation with him about insurance for his daughter.

Like I said, he was a pretty smart guy. He KNEW if he committed suicide that insurance wouldn't pay out, neither his employer's nor his own. I could see him getting in a little sports car and "accidentally" hitting a tree at full speed. But the method he used was so fraught with problems, the primary being no insurance pay out, that I still think his death is a mystery.

In every state that I’m aware of (most of them), the suicide exclusion has a limit of 2 years, after that it’s paid, without exception. I have no dog in this fight but the only way a life insurance payout is denied is if someone bought the policy less than 2 years before their death. After 2 years, a payment cannot be denied.

I did not know this nor do most people, I'd guess. Including Bourdain unless he asked about it specifically. I'd think he would have been subjected to greater scrutiny by the insurance company simply because of his publicly known depression and drug issues. "However, there is no limit to the time period in which an insurance company can investigate and deny a claim if an applicant knowingly provided false information about their health history, including any previous mental health issues."

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Anonymous wrote:What really happened with Carrie Underwood. All that weird mystique about her falling and her face being permanently disfigured but it isn’t but she still looks kinda different … what happened

I think the whole story was a cover for a cosmetic procedure/PS that went wrong. But they weren’t sure how lasting the damage was going to be so they played it up a lot in case she was long term visibly disfigured, then she turned out not to be and just looked a little different in some ways so the whole cover up story now comes across as more suspicious.

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Anonymous wrote:Anthony Bourdain's suicide.

It is so hard to believe that a successful 61 year old who had surmounted so much in his life, would impulsively hang himself just before a planned dinner with a dear friend and his colleagues while in a hotel overseas.

More importantly, he had a minor daughter whom he loved dearly and a good coparenting relationship with her mother.

IMO, I think it was a case of autoerotic asphyxiation. I think his freewheeling and "open" relationship with Asia Argento may have had something to do with it. It seems he went off the rails a bit after he met her.

Perhaps he was introduced or encouraged to use asphyxiation and it went terribly wrong for him. He was always looking for new and exciting food experiences, why not sexual?

From what I read about him, he was suicidal for a lot of his life. So it was amazing that he made it as long as he did. But yeah, Asia Argento was the catalyst, and she’s pretty terrible. I feel bad for his kid and ex-wife.

It just seems like such an odd way/place to do it. Especially if you want to be "successful." Using a terry cloth bathrobe belt from a hotel's closet rod seems a bad choice for a guy who was pretty intelligent and street-smart. Knots loosen, fabric could rip, or rod could snap/bend under the weight. He would have certainly been taller than the clothes rod. Choosing to do it while being overseas in a hotel room seems off too.

He was expected for dinner and his absence meant there was a good likelihood he might have been either interrupted or found and resuscitated. It seems like an erudite guy like Bourdain might have considered those factors. That's why I think it may have been an auto-erotic thing gone wrong, which is not unheard of for male celebrities.

Hey, I was just thinking about INXS singer Michael Hutchence, who I beleived had died in an act of autoerotic asphyxiation, but appears that is not true. I just read up on it. Hutchence was in a very dramatic relationship with Paula Yates and had drug abuse problems. Also he was distraught over child custody issues, and was upset that he wasn't going to get an expected visit with his daughter. He hung himself with a belt alone in his hotel room.

The autoerotic asphyxiation idea came from Paula, who was apparently in denial over the suicide. She died of a heroin overdose in 2000. Her ex Bob Geldof raised Hutchence and Paula's daughter Tiger alongside the 4 daughters he had with Paula.

Anyway, I was surprised by the parallels between Anthony and Michael. Both had struggled with drugs and depression. Both were in fairly new and very dramatic relationships. Both took their life in a hotel room by hanging.

Yet without a note or other direct evidence of bona fide suicide there is still an element of doubt simply because there ARE cases of death by asphyxiation - and many families may not want that information exposed. That's why I think the Bourdain case fits the "Favorite Celebrity Mystery" title of this thread.

I would imagine Bourdain had a significant life insurance policy and wonder if the company flat-out refused payment under the suicide clause. However, if it was eventually ruled as accidental asphyxiation it might have bearing on the pay out.

I have more thoughts about your last paragraph. I do believe that life insurance payouts become more relevant if the deceased is poorer. Let's say a father makes $100k and his family is dependent on that money, the life insurance is very important. Questions of suicide or accident are hot if the family needs the money badly.

Bourdain died with just over $1 million. You would think it would be more. However. Dude only became a star in the last 20+/- years of his life, before that, he was a paycheck-to-paycheck kitchen cook. Then he wasn't used to having money, didn't necessarily respect the money. Maybe even disrespected the money. Who knows of he even had life insurance.

He did however have a will that set up a trust for his daughter, and so she is set.

I was shocked by his death, generally, but I was also really surprised by this. 61 years old and worth 1 million? A govt employee that age likely has that money. Why was it not a LOT more and what's the trust for his daughter and how is she "set"?

I think he did. It is almost a certainty he had insurance as part of his contract with the network. He was technically "on the job" even though cause of death was questionable. Plus, I find it hard to believe that any financial advisor (or even his ex-wife as part of divorce/child maintenance) didn't have a conversation with him about insurance for his daughter.

Like I said, he was a pretty smart guy. He KNEW if he committed suicide that insurance wouldn't pay out, neither his employer's nor his own. I could see him getting in a little sports car and "accidentally" hitting a tree at full speed. But the method he used was so fraught with problems, the primary being no insurance pay out, that I still think his death is a mystery.

In every state that I’m aware of (most of them), the suicide exclusion has a limit of 2 years, after that it’s paid, without exception. I have no dog in this fight but the only way a life insurance payout is denied is if someone bought the policy less than 2 years before their death. After 2 years, a payment cannot be denied.

I did not know this nor do most people, I'd guess. Including Bourdain unless he asked about it specifically. I'd think he would have been subjected to greater scrutiny by the insurance company simply because of his publicly known depression and drug issues. "However, there is no limit to the time period in which an insurance company can investigate and deny a claim if an applicant knowingly provided false information about their health history, including any previous mental health issues."

Well, there's no reason to tie it up on knots and speculation on insurance. Just apply Occam's razor. Which one is simpler ...

Depressed man with a suicide obsession commits suicide
Depressed man with a suicide obsession accidentally asphyxiated himself but it's being covered up but maybe shouldn't be in case it means there is an insurance payout, because you believe he would have been preoccupied with an insurance payout even though there is no evidence of that

The man did, in fact, plan for and provide for his daughter.