UHC CEO Gunned Down in Midtown Manhattan

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Anonymous wrote:If he was upset about his mother’s treatment, why did he cut off contact leaving her to file a missing person report?

People are asking all these questions like he’s a sane rational actor. He is not. It is very sad. Everyone is talking about it because it happened to be UHC that his paranoia focused on. It could have been someone at his surf coop, or the head of his former employer, or a piliitican. But it obviously says something about where Americans are with healthcare that they are building this Robin Hood narrative around him.

Agree.
The biases are rampant.

#1 thing when dealing with a mentally ill person is not to assume normal, rationale motives. Or sometimes any motive.

Wait for the “voices told me to do it” defense.

Since when did murder = mental illness? Humans have been killing each other without being mentally-ill since Cain killed Able. If you're Christian, then you believe that in God's eye, there is no valid reason for murder. But that doesn't mean that people can't have internally rational motives for murder. Luigi's reasons are internally consistent: mental illness is not needed to explain them.

Luigi had no authority to be judge and executioner.

He thinks so.

We need to find out who/what was funding his life of luxury before this shooting.

He sold a house for 900k a few years back so presumably that.

Where was the 900k house? Also, when did he turn 26? Can we assume he was dropped from his parent's insurance on his last bday?

His parents gifted him a house that he then sold. So he made 900K and left for Hawaii.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Lina Khan do anything about those insurance companies greediness?

Can Lina khan do anything for self-centered entitled murderers?

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Anonymous wrote:If he was upset about his mother’s treatment, why did he cut off contact leaving her to file a missing person report?

People are asking all these questions like he’s a sane rational actor. He is not. It is very sad. Everyone is talking about it because it happened to be UHC that his paranoia focused on. It could have been someone at his surf coop, or the head of his former employer, or a piliitican. But it obviously says something about where Americans are with healthcare that they are building this Robin Hood narrative around him.

Agree.
The biases are rampant.

#1 thing when dealing with a mentally ill person is not to assume normal, rationale motives. Or sometimes any motive.

Wait for the “voices told me to do it” defense.

Since when did murder = mental illness? Humans have been killing each other without being mentally-ill since Cain killed Able. If you're Christian, then you believe that in God's eye, there is no valid reason for murder. But that doesn't mean that people can't have internally rational motives for murder. Luigi's reasons are internally consistent: mental illness is not needed to explain them.

Luigi had no authority to be judge and executioner.

He thinks so.

We need to find out who/what was funding his life of luxury before this shooting.

He sold a house for 900k a few years back so presumably that.

Where was the 900k house? Also, when did he turn 26? Can we assume he was dropped from his parent's insurance on his last bday?

His parents gifted him a house that he then sold. So he made 900K and left for Hawaii.

Made $900K? Wtf math whiz. Only if they paid 100% equity and zero realtor fees to buy and sell it.

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Anonymous wrote:If he was upset about his mother’s treatment, why did he cut off contact leaving her to file a missing person report?

People are asking all these questions like he’s a sane rational actor. He is not. It is very sad. Everyone is talking about it because it happened to be UHC that his paranoia focused on. It could have been someone at his surf coop, or the head of his former employer, or a piliitican. But it obviously says something about where Americans are with healthcare that they are building this Robin Hood narrative around him.

Agree.
The biases are rampant.

#1 thing when dealing with a mentally ill person is not to assume normal, rationale motives. Or sometimes any motive.

Wait for the “voices told me to do it” defense.

Since when did murder = mental illness? Humans have been killing each other without being mentally-ill since Cain killed Able. If you're Christian, then you believe that in God's eye, there is no valid reason for murder. But that doesn't mean that people can't have internally rational motives for murder. Luigi's reasons are internally consistent: mental illness is not needed to explain them.

Luigi had no authority to be judge and executioner.

But the insurance companies do?

Health care isn’t a right. It’s cost money and is an expense. Insurance is a means to pay. But they don’t cover anything and everything on everyone. If there is treatment or med you think you need and they won’t pay, you are welcome to find another means to pay for it.

I mean, it can be a right if we as a nation decide it is. That's how rights work.

No, insurance policies don't cover everything.
And also many insurers renege on covering what they claim to cover.
Both of these things can be true at the same time. Do you actually not understand this?

But keep telling yourself how insurance companies are the good guys, and only demanding, unreasonable, stupid patients get their claims denied. Maybe that will work out for you.

You and many others really don’t get how complex the health system works. Someone told you no and you decided it was their fault.

This economist explains it better than I can.

https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/insurance-companies-arent-the-main

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Anonymous wrote:His mother, family members, or friends likely recognized him and possibly notified NYPD or the FBI, but that information was not released to the public. That wouldn't necessarily help law enforcement find him.

They specifically said that nobody had called in with his name.

I really think there was disbelief that their friend, their son, their relative was the shooter. They probably thought it was funny that the shooter look like their friend.

Wow.

Bet they had already lawyered up and screen grabbed all his socials.

His social in the form of “ X “ was briefly reinstated by one Elon Musk yesterday.

Know what jumps out at you? His book list.

It’s mostly nonfiction concerning PSILOCYBIN MUSHROOMS.

Plus the Dr Suess book, The Lorax.

He is 26 years old, but his parents still reported him “missing” to police back in November. Several of his friends reported Luigi stopped communicating in September.

A mental health crisis was suffered by Luigi in the September - November time frame.

Wasn’t he in Hawaii for part of that time?

Or Japan? Wtf?

Who takes a flight to Japan w chronic back pain?

I passed out in an airport due to chronic back pain. I didn't want my life to be not worth living so I kept working and work requried travel.

they are saying the back surgery caused ED. And he's upset about that.

speculation speculation speculation

Absolutely. The only person who said anything about those “difficulties” is the manager(owner) of that co-living place in Hawaii who was definitely not a close friend.

Pure speculation here but a couple of people upthread might be correct that everything points out that he might be gay - and if he was NOT comfortable coming out to others (or even himself) he might have used that line about his back to stop the inquiries.

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Anonymous wrote:If he was upset about his mother’s treatment, why did he cut off contact leaving her to file a missing person report?

People are asking all these questions like he’s a sane rational actor. He is not. It is very sad. Everyone is talking about it because it happened to be UHC that his paranoia focused on. It could have been someone at his surf coop, or the head of his former employer, or a piliitican. But it obviously says something about where Americans are with healthcare that they are building this Robin Hood narrative around him.

Agree.
The biases are rampant.

#1 thing when dealing with a mentally ill person is not to assume normal, rationale motives. Or sometimes any motive.

Wait for the “voices told me to do it” defense.

Since when did murder = mental illness? Humans have been killing each other without being mentally-ill since Cain killed Able. If you're Christian, then you believe that in God's eye, there is no valid reason for murder. But that doesn't mean that people can't have internally rational motives for murder. Luigi's reasons are internally consistent: mental illness is not needed to explain them.

Luigi had no authority to be judge and executioner.

But the insurance companies do?

Health care isn’t a right. It’s cost money and is an expense. Insurance is a means to pay. But they don’t cover anything and everything on everyone. If there is treatment or med you think you need and they won’t pay, you are welcome to find another means to pay for it.

I mean, it can be a right if we as a nation decide it is. That's how rights work.

No, insurance policies don't cover everything.
And also many insurers renege on covering what they claim to cover.
Both of these things can be true at the same time. Do you actually not understand this?

But keep telling yourself how insurance companies are the good guys, and only demanding, unreasonable, stupid patients get their claims denied. Maybe that will work out for you.

You and many others really don’t get how complex the health system works. Someone told you no and you decided it was their fault.

This economist explains it better than I can.

https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/insurance-companies-arent-the-main

People here don’t know how 20% down payments on a $900,000 property work either.

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Anonymous wrote:Luigi Mangione grew up in the conservative, conformist, successful community in Baltimore.

Then was tossed into the leftist, activist era of COVID / DEI / BLM when he attended and graduated U Penn.

One activist female professor at UPenn has already deactivated her 10 years of website and blogs with her indoctrination.

Luigi then doubled down on the brainwashing in Cali, Hawaii and online.

And here we are. Killing people walking on the sidewalk in Manhattan.

Stop trying to make this a right vs a left wing issue.

Indoctrination is indoctrination.

We live in Baltimore, that was a conservative successful community. He came from that. Lived in a vastly different environment (shout out to everyone with college kids now or the last 6 years - it's been nuts), and worked in a vastly different environment.

Luigi came in malleable and became a product of his Upenn, SF and Hawaii group home environment and lifestyle, as well as his online environment.

Became malleable how? The things he says about the insurance industry are widely shared and not part of any indoctrination and are not particularly radical.

Now, the murderous part is.

https://x.com/tomselliott/status/1866213151014052208

Huh? I went to Mangione's twitter to get an idea of where he was coming from before this. No idea who this Tom guy is or where he got this info.

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Anonymous wrote:If he was upset about his mother’s treatment, why did he cut off contact leaving her to file a missing person report?

People are asking all these questions like he’s a sane rational actor. He is not. It is very sad. Everyone is talking about it because it happened to be UHC that his paranoia focused on. It could have been someone at his surf coop, or the head of his former employer, or a piliitican. But it obviously says something about where Americans are with healthcare that they are building this Robin Hood narrative around him.

Agree.
The biases are rampant.

#1 thing when dealing with a mentally ill person is not to assume normal, rationale motives. Or sometimes any motive.

Wait for the “voices told me to do it” defense.

Since when did murder = mental illness? Humans have been killing each other without being mentally-ill since Cain killed Able. If you're Christian, then you believe that in God's eye, there is no valid reason for murder. But that doesn't mean that people can't have internally rational motives for murder. Luigi's reasons are internally consistent: mental illness is not needed to explain them.

Luigi had no authority to be judge and executioner.

He thinks so.

We need to find out who/what was funding his life of luxury before this shooting.

He sold a house for 900k a few years back so presumably that.

Where was the 900k house? Also, when did he turn 26? Can we assume he was dropped from his parent's insurance on his last bday?

His parents gifted him a house that he then sold. So he made 900K and left for Hawaii.

Made $900K? Wtf math whiz. Only if they paid 100% equity and zero realtor fees to buy and sell it.

Have you taken your meds today?

Only an idiot thinks the sales price is all money in the bank.

They prob don’t even know what % a typical down payment or a mortgage is.

Like my BIL who thinks his gross salary is all coming to his bank account 100%. And forgets about income taxes and withholdings.

Those people exist. They don’t get it.

But have you taken them? This is a weird part to get irate and fixated on but ok. Who cares if it was $900,000 or $9,000. He was self funded, running around Hawaii, Japan, NYC and then PA where he was found with like $6,000 in cash and 2,000 in some other currency. He’s not poor.

I’m more worried about mentally unstable people that go around shooting people than someone who is bad at math. But you do you.

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Anonymous wrote:How ironic. Even the $60,000 reward offer might get denied!

https://nypost.com/2024/12/11/us-news/who-gets-the-60k-reward-in-search-for-unitedhealthcare-ceos-killer/

Ok, so police nominate the tipster, who gets laid off upon conviction. At least the fbi portion.

Don’t know how the nypd pays out

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Anonymous wrote:If he was upset about his mother’s treatment, why did he cut off contact leaving her to file a missing person report?

People are asking all these questions like he’s a sane rational actor. He is not. It is very sad. Everyone is talking about it because it happened to be UHC that his paranoia focused on. It could have been someone at his surf coop, or the head of his former employer, or a piliitican. But it obviously says something about where Americans are with healthcare that they are building this Robin Hood narrative around him.

Agree.
The biases are rampant.

#1 thing when dealing with a mentally ill person is not to assume normal, rationale motives. Or sometimes any motive.

Wait for the “voices told me to do it” defense.

Since when did murder = mental illness? Humans have been killing each other without being mentally-ill since Cain killed Able. If you're Christian, then you believe that in God's eye, there is no valid reason for murder. But that doesn't mean that people can't have internally rational motives for murder. Luigi's reasons are internally consistent: mental illness is not needed to explain them.

Luigi had no authority to be judge and executioner.

He thinks so.

We need to find out who/what was funding his life of luxury before this shooting.

He sold a house for 900k a few years back so presumably that.

Where was the 900k house? Also, when did he turn 26? Can we assume he was dropped from his parent's insurance on his last bday?

His parents gifted him a house that he then sold. So he made 900K and left for Hawaii.

Made $900K? Wtf math whiz. Only if they paid 100% equity and zero realtor fees to buy and sell it.

Have you taken your meds today?

Only an idiot thinks the sales price is all money in the bank.

They prob don’t even know what % a typical down payment or a mortgage is.

Like my BIL who thinks his gross salary is all coming to his bank account 100%. And forgets about income taxes and withholdings.

Those people exist. They don’t get it.

But have you taken them? This is a weird part to get irate and fixated on but ok. Who cares if it was $900,000 or $9,000. He was self funded, running around Hawaii, Japan, NYC and then PA where he was found with like $6,000 in cash and 2,000 in some other currency. He’s not poor.

I’m more worried about mentally unstable people that go around shooting people than someone who is bad at math. But you do you.

Dp

I’d rather be running around with $900000 than $90000. Duh. I like the no-math figure!

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Anonymous wrote:How ironic. Even the $60,000 reward offer might get denied!

https://nypost.com/2024/12/11/us-news/who-gets-the-60k-reward-in-search-for-unitedhealthcare-ceos-killer/

Once the word gets out that you won’t really be paid, people won’t be as helpful.

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Anonymous wrote:Luigi Mangione grew up in the conservative, conformist, successful community in Baltimore.

Then was tossed into the leftist, activist era of COVID / DEI / BLM when he attended and graduated U Penn.

One activist female professor at UPenn has already deactivated her 10 years of website and blogs with her indoctrination.

Luigi then doubled down on the brainwashing in Cali, Hawaii and online.

And here we are. Killing people walking on the sidewalk in Manhattan.

Stop trying to make this a right vs a left wing issue.

Indoctrination is indoctrination.

We live in Baltimore, that was a conservative successful community. He came from that. Lived in a vastly different environment (shout out to everyone with college kids now or the last 6 years - it's been nuts), and worked in a vastly different environment.

Luigi came in malleable and became a product of his Upenn, SF and Hawaii group home environment and lifestyle, as well as his online environment.

The same UPenn that made Trump, Ivanka Trump, and Don Trump Junior.

You just happen to think the “libs” are at fault and see what you have been told to see.

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I suspect the apologist for the insurance industry who's been posting in this thread all day in fact is an employed wonk with the insurance industry. LOL.

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Anonymous wrote:How ironic. Even the $60,000 reward offer might get denied!

https://nypost.com/2024/12/11/us-news/who-gets-the-60k-reward-in-search-for-unitedhealthcare-ceos-killer/

Once the word gets out that you won’t really be paid, people won’t be as helpful.

Wrong.

Most people do the right thing. Especially when not in an echo chamber website or college setting.

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Anonymous wrote:If he was upset about his mother’s treatment, why did he cut off contact leaving her to file a missing person report?

People are asking all these questions like he’s a sane rational actor. He is not. It is very sad. Everyone is talking about it because it happened to be UHC that his paranoia focused on. It could have been someone at his surf coop, or the head of his former employer, or a piliitican. But it obviously says something about where Americans are with healthcare that they are building this Robin Hood narrative around him.

Agree.
The biases are rampant.

#1 thing when dealing with a mentally ill person is not to assume normal, rationale motives. Or sometimes any motive.

Wait for the “voices told me to do it” defense.

Since when did murder = mental illness? Humans have been killing each other without being mentally-ill since Cain killed Able. If you're Christian, then you believe that in God's eye, there is no valid reason for murder. But that doesn't mean that people can't have internally rational motives for murder. Luigi's reasons are internally consistent: mental illness is not needed to explain them.

Luigi had no authority to be judge and executioner.

But the insurance companies do?

Health care isn’t a right. It’s cost money and is an expense. Insurance is a means to pay. But they don’t cover anything and everything on everyone. If there is treatment or med you think you need and they won’t pay, you are welcome to find another means to pay for it.

I mean, it can be a right if we as a nation decide it is. That's how rights work.

No, insurance policies don't cover everything.
And also many insurers renege on covering what they claim to cover.
Both of these things can be true at the same time. Do you actually not understand this?

But keep telling yourself how insurance companies are the good guys, and only demanding, unreasonable, stupid patients get their claims denied. Maybe that will work out for you.

You and many others really don’t get how complex the health system works. Someone told you no and you decided it was their fault.

This economist explains it better than I can.

https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/insurance-companies-arent-the-main

Thank you PP, that was an interesting read. As new drugs are developed for diseases that are not common yet cause significant disease burden or death (i.e. spinal muscular atrophy, sickle cell disease, etc.) that literally cost millions per DOSE, it will be interesting to see how that plays out.