Gaza War, Part 3

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have huge issues with Israel killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians as a response to the horrible act on 10/7. Deal with it, I really do not care what you think of me.

Where was this outrage over the deaths of civilians in Syria, in Yemen, in South Sudan? Didn't fit your personal truth? Oh yeah, and it didn't involve the Jews. But carry on internet person.

Sorry, that's like asking where is the outrage when some cops kill a white or Hispanic person, no one cares as it doesn't fit the blm personal truth. But carry on onyernet person.

[Anonymous]

Isn’t anyone going to comment?

US confirms hospital used by Hamas.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/us/politics/gaza-hospital-hamas.html

[Anonymous]

Time to stop all support for Israel

Before World War II, Zionism was the most divisive and heatedly debated issue in the Jewish world. Anti-Zionism had left-wing variants and right-wing variants — religious variants and secular variants — as well as variants in every country where Jews resided. For anyone who knows this history, it is astonishing that, as the resolution would have it, opposition to Zionism has been equated with opposition to Judaism — and not only to Judaism, but to hatred of Jews themselves. But this conflation has nothing to do with history. Instead, it is political, and its purpose has been to discredit Israel’s opponents as racists.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/01/02/anti-zionism-antisemitism-israel-jews-came-first/

[Anonymous]

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Look, there are almost 2 million Arabs living in Israel - about 20% of the country's population. And no one is proposing to throw them out. They are living there peacefully.

The Palestinians in Gaza WERE able to come and go when they had jobs in Israel or needed medical treatment, or all kinds of other things. But I don't know why you would think that it would ever make sense to fold Gaza into Israel. Who in the world would actually want that? You think the Palestinians who are angry to the point of rape and slaughter about Israel existing at all, want to live under Israeli rule?! You think this is a plan that should be proposed? "Hey, you keep saying 'from the river to the sea' and 'death to all Jews' - but wanna come join our country?"

I don't know why you think this is a gotcha.

Ah yes, the 2 million Arabs in Israel, the "1948 Arabs", the 20% of the total Arab population in 1948 that escaped deportation, Jewish militias or super-ardent Zionists who thought we no needo no Arabs in Eretz Israel, that ain't what good lord promised!

I'll leave the discussion of "nobody wants to throw them out" (guess what! some do!) or "they are completely equal to Israeli Jews!" (guess what! they aren't!) for another day. Better people than me have days jobs that focus exclusively on cataloguing that type of inequality. But a few facts for the readers:

"In the aftermath of the 1947–49 Palestine war, of the estimated 950,000 Arabs that lived in the territory that became Israel before the war, over 80% fled or were expelled and 20%, some 156,000, remained.[31] Arab citizens of Israel today are largely composed of the people who remained and their descendants. Others include some from the Gaza Strip and the West Bank who procured Israeli citizenship under family-unification provisions made significantly more stringent in the aftermath of the Second Intifada.[32]

While most Arabs remaining in Israel were granted citizenship, they were subject to martial law in the early years of the state.[33][34] Zionism had given little serious thought as to how to integrate Arabs, and according to Ian Lustick subsequent policies were 'implemented by a rigorous regime of military rule that dominated what remained of the Arab population in territory ruled by Israel, enabling the state to expropriate most Arab-owned land, severely limit its access to investment capital and employment opportunity, and eliminate virtually all opportunities to use citizenship as a vehicle for gaining political influence'.[35] Travel permits, curfews, administrative detentions, and expulsions were part of life until 1966.

I want to remind you that this discussion was brought on by the post lamenting "why can't Gazans integrate peacefully into Israeli society like other Arabs who live in Israel!" The "gotcha" part is that in fact, this integration, i.e. citizenship, has never, ever, ever been made available to ANY ARAB OUTSIDE OF "1948 ARABS, that is, the 20% that escaped deportation in 1948. Never since then. Not once.

Don't talk about being able to "come and go". Libraries can be filled with stories by the people whose lives were derailed by random rejections at checkpoints, inordinately long wait times, lost opportunities to travel, do business, receive an education, perform or play sports at the global stage.

How about Arabs in East Jerusalem and the Golan who are able to apply for citizenship?

You mean like my Palestinian relatives who are "citizens" of that "dEmOCracY" and live in E. Jerusalem? It's PALESTINIAN, not "Arab." Israelis are the ones with the made-up identity. They even erased Arab Jews (including Palestinian Jews) and call all of them "Mizrahi" because that's how despicable Zionism is. A racist ideology from Europe which destroyed PALESTINE and made all PALESTINIAN and other ARAB Jews erase their own identity to please their Ashkenazi interlopers, and then have the audacity to claim the Arab culture and the food is now "iSrAeli."

Well, you've been lied to about the equality. They're given different IDs and even license plates look different so they know it's not Jews in the car. Which is why my family who've been there forever (we've done DNA tests, so we know we're comprised of every 'invader,' not to mention I've laughably had a couple of Israelis here in the US hit on me in Hebrew thinking I was Israeli), are denied the access to certain roads, but an (alleged) rapist like Brett Ratner fleeing US prosecution, can just show up and on day one, gets to use that road which gets you to where you need to be within a few minutes while it takes my 80yo grandfather an hour if he's lucky (with nasty checkpoints along the way), to get to his destination.

It is a virulently racist oppressive country and the fact is that the US media has done everything to deny it for decades because it's no longer up for debate: When you have the likes of David Brooks (whose own son served w/ the IDF), Bret Stephens (who writes articles titled "The Diseased Arab Mind" BEFORE he even got hired by the NYT) and countless others who are unrelenting in their Zionism, but considered "American, unbiased media," then you know why it's my family who gets vilified by people like them who get to control the narrative and conditioned Americans for generations into believing israel "hAS a rIghT tO dEFenD iTsElF" against my grandfather trying to just go to places he was free to do as a child before some Long Island/Russian-born, arrogant, violent 20yo bully got to tell him he couldn't.

Social media has exposed the glaring hypocrisy of MSM and that's why the younger generation isn't "brainwashed" into believing Israel was spreading joy and then some evil Palestinians showed up and ruined all of that "peace." They see the word "killed" reserved for Israelis and "died" for Palestinians. They see the media and the govt simply taking the lies of israel as gospel.

The absolute nerve of some of you in denial about the barbarism, RAPE, torture of Zionist Jews showing up from Europe and they brought terrorism themselves. My God, you have actual documentaries w/ old Zionist Jewish men laughing and bragging about their depravity. Israelis have never been made to feel ashamed or vilified for what they did to STEAL Palestine and being the very reason a Hamas even exists. The pro-Israeli side gets away w/ the most disgusting language (and PROJECTION) about my people along w/ disgusting behavior -- which I know first-hand.

The most accurate quote for Israel and its arrogant, hypocritical defenders: Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing.

Thank you for your post. I am sure some with dismiss it because of the crazy capitalization (not sure why you did that?), but I hope they do read it and pay attention to the fact that you are commenting with knowledge from your Palestinian relatives' experience.

I would also add on the following quote from a local group email chat my community is having: "If the price of peace with the Palestinians is that Israel must change, that is not antisemitic."

Israel's restrictions and retaliatory killings of Palestinians has only led to more violence. I think Israel needs to try another approach and the US should make it's funding contingent on a new approach.

I do it to mock the preposterous claims of Zionists that Israel is a democracy or that they're just trying to defend themselves, which is absolute nonsense.

There wouldn't be enough bandwidth just to get into how disgusting that country treats American citizens just trying to visit Palestinian relatives. To witness some 20-something w/ an E. European accent, act like an absolute a-hole because he knows he can get away w/ it, would make you hate them within a few mins of arrival, but they're looking to get a reaction. They live for getting you to react to their cruelty, which is why no matter what they do, we don't react. We won't give them the satisfaction. They're psychotic in their cruelty.

The Zionists on this board are tantamount to southern whites in the '60s who'd claim "Ar' n*gras is fine. They're happy down here."

Riiiight. No need to defend yourself when there are thousands of brutes waiting for an opportunity to massacre you (either before or after they rape and/or dismember you)... Yep. These fears are totally unfounded. It's not like anything like that happened or something.

Oh wait. You probably say it didn't happen. Riiiight.

What time is it where you are, "habibti"?

It’s not her fault you can’t afford a place in Tel Aviv proper and have to get a cheap house in the settlements instead. I’m sure they have a “Jewish only” sign somewhere on the gates.

Listen, "habibti," this is ranting, raving, and screeching. Your terrorist buddies perpetrated a brutal attack against civilians that was calculated to start a war, and they tried very, very hard to get as many Gazans killed as possible for their own twisted death cult purposes.

You seem to be here (on DCUM... who know where you actually are) to take advantage of Americans' fractured social fabric to drive as many wedges as you can. You have nothing valid to say, only one screed after another that tries to demonize Jews. You know, the people whose women your friends shot in the vagina after raping them. The people your friends tied together and set on fire. The people whose children and elderly they abducted. The people whose young women were excluded from hostage returns because they had been raped too many times and would say so if released.

I can just see saliva pooling in the corners of your mouth when you type this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t anyone going to comment?

US confirms hospital used by Hamas.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/us/politics/gaza-hospital-hamas.html

What, no WMD? No glass vial to shake?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t anyone going to comment?

US confirms hospital used by Hamas.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/us/politics/gaza-hospital-hamas.html

What, no WMD? No glass vial to shake?

Not a subscriber to NY times, but I can tell you that neither side is squeaky clean or spotless and the first casualty in war is the truth.
Right now it is the Palestinians who are doing the dying and suffering in very large numbers.
The end does not justify the means, not anymore

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t anyone going to comment?

US confirms hospital used by Hamas.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/us/politics/gaza-hospital-hamas.html

Would have to look in to the background of those reporting the story, the editors and the “doctors”. Lots of people like yourself who will spread Israeli propaganda while ignoring the criminal actions of Israel. MSNBC removed reporters and hosts because they were Muslim while Andrea Mitchell gives airtime to Bibi Netanyahu’s spokesperson.

[Anonymous]

Oh please. It’s confirmed that the hospital was being used as we knew all along. Your deflecting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t anyone going to comment?

US confirms hospital used by Hamas.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/us/politics/gaza-hospital-hamas.html

What, no WMD? No glass vial to shake?

Not a subscriber to NY times, but I can tell you that neither side is squeaky clean or spotless and the first casualty in war is the truth.
Right now it is the Palestinians who are doing the dying and suffering in very large numbers.
The end does not justify the means, not anymore

The bolded- it has ALWAYS been Palestinians being murdered and otherwise killed in very large numbers since the late 1940s, and 10/7/23 is the sole exception. When you frame the conflict as you do, it’s dishonest.

[Anonymous]

I guess that doesn’t include the athletes murdered at the Olympics, the buses blown up on Tel Aviv, the cafes that exploded, the people stabbed, etc etc etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t anyone going to comment?

US confirms hospital used by Hamas.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/us/politics/gaza-hospital-hamas.html

What, no WMD? No glass vial to shake?

Not a subscriber to NY times, but I can tell you that neither side is squeaky clean or spotless and the first casualty in war is the truth.
Right now it is the Palestinians who are doing the dying and suffering in very large numbers.
The end does not justify the means, not anymore

They always suffer after the start the violence because they are not equipped to fight back. This is why they always die in large numbers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t anyone going to comment?

US confirms hospital used by Hamas.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/us/politics/gaza-hospital-hamas.html

What, no WMD? No glass vial to shake?

Not a subscriber to NY times, but I can tell you that neither side is squeaky clean or spotless and the first casualty in war is the truth.
Right now it is the Palestinians who are doing the dying and suffering in very large numbers.
The end does not justify the means, not anymore

The bolded- it has ALWAYS been Palestinians being murdered and otherwise killed in very large numbers since the late 1940s, and 10/7/23 is the sole exception. When you frame the conflict as you do, it’s dishonest.

Yes, they have a lot of casualties because they start wars and can't finish them. They are not the victims.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Time to stop all support for Israel

Before World War II, Zionism was the most divisive and heatedly debated issue in the Jewish world. Anti-Zionism had left-wing variants and right-wing variants — religious variants and secular variants — as well as variants in every country where Jews resided. For anyone who knows this history, it is astonishing that, as the resolution would have it, opposition to Zionism has been equated with opposition to Judaism — and not only to Judaism, but to hatred of Jews themselves. But this conflation has nothing to do with history. Instead, it is political, and its purpose has been to discredit Israel’s opponents as racists.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/01/02/anti-zionism-antisemitism-israel-jews-came-first/

So, what will go in Israel's place? Why should we care if Israel is there, or a country of your choosing? Why do I need to care to satisfy your desires? Israel is a foreign country to me, yours would be as well, I am not motivated to be your puppet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My last post on this and I won't read this thread again, because I already know the excuses made:

The lack of introspection with Zionists is precisely why Israel will never have the (blind) support it once did. It will never be Palestinians who destroy it. It will be your own arrogance and the violent, hateful influx of those from places like the former USSR. You're done w/ the younger generation who see the MSM's glaring omissions and know it's been going on for decades. So racist in how you view Palestinians and other Arabs, that they have no interest in defending people who tend to be of the "ilk" who were once in govt and despicably assigned to working in the office of I/P on behalf of "America," yet who spend their post-govt days harassing Halal truck guys over weeks and telling them there aren't enough dead babies for his taste...that's the kind of evil garbage at the helm of government policy.

Golda Meir lived in a home stolen from a Palestinian family. She had the Arabic etchings sandblasted so that there would be nothing of the family who built it. Wonder if that's mentioned in that film about her. I doubt it.

Racist, bigoted people who can't accept they're the only ones who get away w/ denying another people's existence to dehumanize and nullify them to make it acceptable to kill and rape and torture for 75yrs.


Hey, did your "bubbie" marry a wonderful man like this, "habibti"? Did he gather you all and regale you in stories like this monster?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc_fVP68U3I

Everyone involved is White.

[Anonymous]

When Muslims are a minority, they are all about minority rights. When Muslims are a majority, there are no minority rights