Gaza War, Part 3

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A very rough day at the office for haters of Israel.

That’s the whole world now right?

Might want to get some air now and then. Your echo chamber sure is suffocating. The only people cheering on Hamas are, well, psychos.
DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Look, there are almost 2 million Arabs living in Israel - about 20% of the country's population. And no one is proposing to throw them out. They are living there peacefully.

The Palestinians in Gaza WERE able to come and go when they had jobs in Israel or needed medical treatment, or all kinds of other things. But I don't know why you would think that it would ever make sense to fold Gaza into Israel. Who in the world would actually want that? You think the Palestinians who are angry to the point of rape and slaughter about Israel existing at all, want to live under Israeli rule?! You think this is a plan that should be proposed? "Hey, you keep saying 'from the river to the sea' and 'death to all Jews' - but wanna come join our country?"

I don't know why you think this is a gotcha.

Ah yes, the 2 million Arabs in Israel, the "1948 Arabs", the 20% of the total Arab population in 1948 that escaped deportation, Jewish militias or super-ardent Zionists who thought we no needo no Arabs in Eretz Israel, that ain't what good lord promised!

I'll leave the discussion of "nobody wants to throw them out" (guess what! some do!) or "they are completely equal to Israeli Jews!" (guess what! they aren't!) for another day. Better people than me have days jobs that focus exclusively on cataloguing that type of inequality. But a few facts for the readers:

"In the aftermath of the 1947–49 Palestine war, of the estimated 950,000 Arabs that lived in the territory that became Israel before the war, over 80% fled or were expelled and 20%, some 156,000, remained.[31] Arab citizens of Israel today are largely composed of the people who remained and their descendants. Others include some from the Gaza Strip and the West Bank who procured Israeli citizenship under family-unification provisions made significantly more stringent in the aftermath of the Second Intifada.[32]

While most Arabs remaining in Israel were granted citizenship, they were subject to martial law in the early years of the state.[33][34] Zionism had given little serious thought as to how to integrate Arabs, and according to Ian Lustick subsequent policies were 'implemented by a rigorous regime of military rule that dominated what remained of the Arab population in territory ruled by Israel, enabling the state to expropriate most Arab-owned land, severely limit its access to investment capital and employment opportunity, and eliminate virtually all opportunities to use citizenship as a vehicle for gaining political influence'.[35] Travel permits, curfews, administrative detentions, and expulsions were part of life until 1966.

I want to remind you that this discussion was brought on by the post lamenting "why can't Gazans integrate peacefully into Israeli society like other Arabs who live in Israel!" The "gotcha" part is that in fact, this integration, i.e. citizenship, has never, ever, ever been made available to ANY ARAB OUTSIDE OF "1948 ARABS, that is, the 20% that escaped deportation in 1948. Never since then. Not once.

Don't talk about being able to "come and go". Libraries can be filled with stories by the people whose lives were derailed by random rejections at checkpoints, inordinately long wait times, lost opportunities to travel, do business, receive an education, perform or play sports at the global stage.

How about Arabs in East Jerusalem and the Golan who are able to apply for citizenship?

You mean like my Palestinian relatives who are "citizens" of that "dEmOCracY" and live in E. Jerusalem? It's PALESTINIAN, not "Arab." Israelis are the ones with the made-up identity. They even erased Arab Jews (including Palestinian Jews) and call all of them "Mizrahi" because that's how despicable Zionism is. A racist ideology from Europe which destroyed PALESTINE and made all PALESTINIAN and other ARAB Jews erase their own identity to please their Ashkenazi interlopers, and then have the audacity to claim the Arab culture and the food is now "iSrAeli."

Well, you've been lied to about the equality. They're given different IDs and even license plates look different so they know it's not Jews in the car. Which is why my family who've been there forever (we've done DNA tests, so we know we're comprised of every 'invader,' not to mention I've laughably had a couple of Israelis here in the US hit on me in Hebrew thinking I was Israeli), are denied the access to certain roads, but an (alleged) rapist like Brett Ratner fleeing US prosecution, can just show up and on day one, gets to use that road which gets you to where you need to be within a few minutes while it takes my 80yo grandfather an hour if he's lucky (with nasty checkpoints along the way), to get to his destination.

It is a virulently racist oppressive country and the fact is that the US media has done everything to deny it for decades because it's no longer up for debate: When you have the likes of David Brooks (whose own son served w/ the IDF), Bret Stephens (who writes articles titled "The Diseased Arab Mind" BEFORE he even got hired by the NYT) and countless others who are unrelenting in their Zionism, but considered "American, unbiased media," then you know why it's my family who gets vilified by people like them who get to control the narrative and conditioned Americans for generations into believing israel "hAS a rIghT tO dEFenD iTsElF" against my grandfather trying to just go to places he was free to do as a child before some Long Island/Russian-born, arrogant, violent 20yo bully got to tell him he couldn't.

Social media has exposed the glaring hypocrisy of MSM and that's why the younger generation isn't "brainwashed" into believing Israel was spreading joy and then some evil Palestinians showed up and ruined all of that "peace." They see the word "killed" reserved for Israelis and "died" for Palestinians. They see the media and the govt simply taking the lies of israel as gospel.

The absolute nerve of some of you in denial about the barbarism, RAPE, torture of Zionist Jews showing up from Europe and they brought terrorism themselves. My God, you have actual documentaries w/ old Zionist Jewish men laughing and bragging about their depravity. Israelis have never been made to feel ashamed or vilified for what they did to STEAL Palestine and being the very reason a Hamas even exists. The pro-Israeli side gets away w/ the most disgusting language (and PROJECTION) about my people along w/ disgusting behavior -- which I know first-hand.

The most accurate quote for Israel and its arrogant, hypocritical defenders: Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing.

What you should be ashamed of is your ilk invading Israel on October 7 and mass raping and murdering innocent people.

And this is precisely why you guys have lost so many supporters. The absolute vitriol in your comments when all I did was state facts about what my family goes through while all you have are claims from a country that has sustained itself on lies and projection for 75yrs.

You're still repeating lies and you can't address what I said about "your ilk" long before Hamas ever existed, so you engage in the usual racism and bigotry that only a Zionist gets away with. So I guess if you think my 80yo grandfather is a rapist and murderer, then I can just call "your ilk" human sex traffickers since Epstein did what he did in service TO Israel. I guess the rape of young girls and boys is fine with "your ilk," right? "Your ilk" (incl. at least one former Isr PM) were quite fond of that island.

People are now learning that for 75 years, there have been countless "Oct 7" for Palestinians which led to this time where you get to pretend that's where it started. Palestinians tried non-violence and hundreds were killed for it. Where were you when over a 1000 Palestinians were killed in Gaza in 2018? You couldn't respond to everything I wrote and your ignorance in still grasping onto "but the kHamas" when I told how my "Israeli citizen" Palestinian relatives are treated long before "oCt 7" and have no connection to Hamas, but it became the go-to to excuse "your ilk's" depravity. You can't defend it, so you tiresomely repeat a claim that still hasn't been proven (incl., that NYT article which would never hold up as proof in ANY impartial courtroom), but guess what you chose to ignore? IOF soldiers w/ a history of raping. By all means, ignore former state dept official Josh Paul saying an NGO was actually shut down by THE US when there was a report of a Palestinian 14yo boy raped in israeli custody. I guess for that, Palestinians should be allowed to just bomb at least some of Tel Aviv, right? Or the countless other rapes committed by "your ilk." I'm sure you'll claim Paul is lying since you seem to prefer former govt officials of the Stuart Seldowitz variety.

Now excuse the laws in 37 states where AMERICANS get their 1A violated solely for Israel. Are you going to blame "the kHamas" for that, too?

You Zionists are making it illegal to PEACEFULLY protest. The fact that I can boycott my own country, but am denied a govt job or fired if I do not sign a pledge to a FOREIGN country, is disgraceful and no one in the media has the guts to talk about it. In at least one TX town, you're denied natural disaster aid if you don't sign that pledge not to boycott Israel. So all of these people who boycott Bud Light, would've been fired or denied jobs in their own country, had it been an Israeli company

You people are loathsome racists who've gotten away w/ it because you were all mollycoddled by the govt and media. By all means, keep screeching about Hamas every time things have nothing to do w/ them is mentioned and long before they ever existed

IRGUN, HAGANAH, LEHI (tried to recruit NAZIS to kill Palestinians and Brits), STERN GANG. If every single one of them stayed in Europe and Europe itself were forced to give their own land for what they did, there would be no reason for Hamas to exist. None.

This is the rape YOU defend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Owa90I77sE

[Anonymous]

Erm, who is it who is actually "screeching"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Look, there are almost 2 million Arabs living in Israel - about 20% of the country's population. And no one is proposing to throw them out. They are living there peacefully.

The Palestinians in Gaza WERE able to come and go when they had jobs in Israel or needed medical treatment, or all kinds of other things. But I don't know why you would think that it would ever make sense to fold Gaza into Israel. Who in the world would actually want that? You think the Palestinians who are angry to the point of rape and slaughter about Israel existing at all, want to live under Israeli rule?! You think this is a plan that should be proposed? "Hey, you keep saying 'from the river to the sea' and 'death to all Jews' - but wanna come join our country?"

I don't know why you think this is a gotcha.

Ah yes, the 2 million Arabs in Israel, the "1948 Arabs", the 20% of the total Arab population in 1948 that escaped deportation, Jewish militias or super-ardent Zionists who thought we no needo no Arabs in Eretz Israel, that ain't what good lord promised!

I'll leave the discussion of "nobody wants to throw them out" (guess what! some do!) or "they are completely equal to Israeli Jews!" (guess what! they aren't!) for another day. Better people than me have days jobs that focus exclusively on cataloguing that type of inequality. But a few facts for the readers:

"In the aftermath of the 1947–49 Palestine war, of the estimated 950,000 Arabs that lived in the territory that became Israel before the war, over 80% fled or were expelled and 20%, some 156,000, remained.[31] Arab citizens of Israel today are largely composed of the people who remained and their descendants. Others include some from the Gaza Strip and the West Bank who procured Israeli citizenship under family-unification provisions made significantly more stringent in the aftermath of the Second Intifada.[32]

While most Arabs remaining in Israel were granted citizenship, they were subject to martial law in the early years of the state.[33][34] Zionism had given little serious thought as to how to integrate Arabs, and according to Ian Lustick subsequent policies were 'implemented by a rigorous regime of military rule that dominated what remained of the Arab population in territory ruled by Israel, enabling the state to expropriate most Arab-owned land, severely limit its access to investment capital and employment opportunity, and eliminate virtually all opportunities to use citizenship as a vehicle for gaining political influence'.[35] Travel permits, curfews, administrative detentions, and expulsions were part of life until 1966.

I want to remind you that this discussion was brought on by the post lamenting "why can't Gazans integrate peacefully into Israeli society like other Arabs who live in Israel!" The "gotcha" part is that in fact, this integration, i.e. citizenship, has never, ever, ever been made available to ANY ARAB OUTSIDE OF "1948 ARABS, that is, the 20% that escaped deportation in 1948. Never since then. Not once.

Don't talk about being able to "come and go". Libraries can be filled with stories by the people whose lives were derailed by random rejections at checkpoints, inordinately long wait times, lost opportunities to travel, do business, receive an education, perform or play sports at the global stage.

How about Arabs in East Jerusalem and the Golan who are able to apply for citizenship?

You mean like my Palestinian relatives who are "citizens" of that "dEmOCracY" and live in E. Jerusalem? It's PALESTINIAN, not "Arab." Israelis are the ones with the made-up identity. They even erased Arab Jews (including Palestinian Jews) and call all of them "Mizrahi" because that's how despicable Zionism is. A racist ideology from Europe which destroyed PALESTINE and made all PALESTINIAN and other ARAB Jews erase their own identity to please their Ashkenazi interlopers, and then have the audacity to claim the Arab culture and the food is now "iSrAeli."

Well, you've been lied to about the equality. They're given different IDs and even license plates look different so they know it's not Jews in the car. Which is why my family who've been there forever (we've done DNA tests, so we know we're comprised of every 'invader,' not to mention I've laughably had a couple of Israelis here in the US hit on me in Hebrew thinking I was Israeli), are denied the access to certain roads, but an (alleged) rapist like Brett Ratner fleeing US prosecution, can just show up and on day one, gets to use that road which gets you to where you need to be within a few minutes while it takes my 80yo grandfather an hour if he's lucky (with nasty checkpoints along the way), to get to his destination.

It is a virulently racist oppressive country and the fact is that the US media has done everything to deny it for decades because it's no longer up for debate: When you have the likes of David Brooks (whose own son served w/ the IDF), Bret Stephens (who writes articles titled "The Diseased Arab Mind" BEFORE he even got hired by the NYT) and countless others who are unrelenting in their Zionism, but considered "American, unbiased media," then you know why it's my family who gets vilified by people like them who get to control the narrative and conditioned Americans for generations into believing israel "hAS a rIghT tO dEFenD iTsElF" against my grandfather trying to just go to places he was free to do as a child before some Long Island/Russian-born, arrogant, violent 20yo bully got to tell him he couldn't.

Social media has exposed the glaring hypocrisy of MSM and that's why the younger generation isn't "brainwashed" into believing Israel was spreading joy and then some evil Palestinians showed up and ruined all of that "peace." They see the word "killed" reserved for Israelis and "died" for Palestinians. They see the media and the govt simply taking the lies of israel as gospel.

The absolute nerve of some of you in denial about the barbarism, RAPE, torture of Zionist Jews showing up from Europe and they brought terrorism themselves. My God, you have actual documentaries w/ old Zionist Jewish men laughing and bragging about their depravity. Israelis have never been made to feel ashamed or vilified for what they did to STEAL Palestine and being the very reason a Hamas even exists. The pro-Israeli side gets away w/ the most disgusting language (and PROJECTION) about my people along w/ disgusting behavior -- which I know first-hand.

The most accurate quote for Israel and its arrogant, hypocritical defenders: Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing.

Thank you for your post. I am sure some with dismiss it because of the crazy capitalization (not sure why you did that?), but I hope they do read it and pay attention to the fact that you are commenting with knowledge from your Palestinian relatives' experience.

I would also add on the following quote from a local group email chat my community is having: "If the price of peace with the Palestinians is that Israel must change, that is not antisemitic."

Israel's restrictions and retaliatory killings of Palestinians has only led to more violence. I think Israel needs to try another approach and the US should make it's funding contingent on a new approach.

I do it to mock the preposterous claims of Zionists that Israel is a democracy or that they're just trying to defend themselves, which is absolute nonsense.

There wouldn't be enough bandwidth just to get into how disgusting that country treats American citizens just trying to visit Palestinian relatives. To witness some 20-something w/ an E. European accent, act like an absolute a-hole because he knows he can get away w/ it, would make you hate them within a few mins of arrival, but they're looking to get a reaction. They live for getting you to react to their cruelty, which is why no matter what they do, we don't react. We won't give them the satisfaction. They're psychotic in their cruelty.

The Zionists on this board are tantamount to southern whites in the '60s who'd claim "Ar' n*gras is fine. They're happy down here."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Erm, who is it who is actually "screeching"?

Give it a rest and don't attempt to mock my right to be angry about what is happening.

At this point, if your Chinese food delivery is missing the egg rolls, you'd blame Hamas for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Look, there are almost 2 million Arabs living in Israel - about 20% of the country's population. And no one is proposing to throw them out. They are living there peacefully.

The Palestinians in Gaza WERE able to come and go when they had jobs in Israel or needed medical treatment, or all kinds of other things. But I don't know why you would think that it would ever make sense to fold Gaza into Israel. Who in the world would actually want that? You think the Palestinians who are angry to the point of rape and slaughter about Israel existing at all, want to live under Israeli rule?! You think this is a plan that should be proposed? "Hey, you keep saying 'from the river to the sea' and 'death to all Jews' - but wanna come join our country?"

I don't know why you think this is a gotcha.

Ah yes, the 2 million Arabs in Israel, the "1948 Arabs", the 20% of the total Arab population in 1948 that escaped deportation, Jewish militias or super-ardent Zionists who thought we no needo no Arabs in Eretz Israel, that ain't what good lord promised!

I'll leave the discussion of "nobody wants to throw them out" (guess what! some do!) or "they are completely equal to Israeli Jews!" (guess what! they aren't!) for another day. Better people than me have days jobs that focus exclusively on cataloguing that type of inequality. But a few facts for the readers:

"In the aftermath of the 1947–49 Palestine war, of the estimated 950,000 Arabs that lived in the territory that became Israel before the war, over 80% fled or were expelled and 20%, some 156,000, remained.[31] Arab citizens of Israel today are largely composed of the people who remained and their descendants. Others include some from the Gaza Strip and the West Bank who procured Israeli citizenship under family-unification provisions made significantly more stringent in the aftermath of the Second Intifada.[32]

While most Arabs remaining in Israel were granted citizenship, they were subject to martial law in the early years of the state.[33][34] Zionism had given little serious thought as to how to integrate Arabs, and according to Ian Lustick subsequent policies were 'implemented by a rigorous regime of military rule that dominated what remained of the Arab population in territory ruled by Israel, enabling the state to expropriate most Arab-owned land, severely limit its access to investment capital and employment opportunity, and eliminate virtually all opportunities to use citizenship as a vehicle for gaining political influence'.[35] Travel permits, curfews, administrative detentions, and expulsions were part of life until 1966.

I want to remind you that this discussion was brought on by the post lamenting "why can't Gazans integrate peacefully into Israeli society like other Arabs who live in Israel!" The "gotcha" part is that in fact, this integration, i.e. citizenship, has never, ever, ever been made available to ANY ARAB OUTSIDE OF "1948 ARABS, that is, the 20% that escaped deportation in 1948. Never since then. Not once.

Don't talk about being able to "come and go". Libraries can be filled with stories by the people whose lives were derailed by random rejections at checkpoints, inordinately long wait times, lost opportunities to travel, do business, receive an education, perform or play sports at the global stage.

How about Arabs in East Jerusalem and the Golan who are able to apply for citizenship?

You mean like my Palestinian relatives who are "citizens" of that "dEmOCracY" and live in E. Jerusalem? It's PALESTINIAN, not "Arab." Israelis are the ones with the made-up identity. They even erased Arab Jews (including Palestinian Jews) and call all of them "Mizrahi" because that's how despicable Zionism is. A racist ideology from Europe which destroyed PALESTINE and made all PALESTINIAN and other ARAB Jews erase their own identity to please their Ashkenazi interlopers, and then have the audacity to claim the Arab culture and the food is now "iSrAeli."

Well, you've been lied to about the equality. They're given different IDs and even license plates look different so they know it's not Jews in the car. Which is why my family who've been there forever (we've done DNA tests, so we know we're comprised of every 'invader,' not to mention I've laughably had a couple of Israelis here in the US hit on me in Hebrew thinking I was Israeli), are denied the access to certain roads, but an (alleged) rapist like Brett Ratner fleeing US prosecution, can just show up and on day one, gets to use that road which gets you to where you need to be within a few minutes while it takes my 80yo grandfather an hour if he's lucky (with nasty checkpoints along the way), to get to his destination.

It is a virulently racist oppressive country and the fact is that the US media has done everything to deny it for decades because it's no longer up for debate: When you have the likes of David Brooks (whose own son served w/ the IDF), Bret Stephens (who writes articles titled "The Diseased Arab Mind" BEFORE he even got hired by the NYT) and countless others who are unrelenting in their Zionism, but considered "American, unbiased media," then you know why it's my family who gets vilified by people like them who get to control the narrative and conditioned Americans for generations into believing israel "hAS a rIghT tO dEFenD iTsElF" against my grandfather trying to just go to places he was free to do as a child before some Long Island/Russian-born, arrogant, violent 20yo bully got to tell him he couldn't.

Social media has exposed the glaring hypocrisy of MSM and that's why the younger generation isn't "brainwashed" into believing Israel was spreading joy and then some evil Palestinians showed up and ruined all of that "peace." They see the word "killed" reserved for Israelis and "died" for Palestinians. They see the media and the govt simply taking the lies of israel as gospel.

The absolute nerve of some of you in denial about the barbarism, RAPE, torture of Zionist Jews showing up from Europe and they brought terrorism themselves. My God, you have actual documentaries w/ old Zionist Jewish men laughing and bragging about their depravity. Israelis have never been made to feel ashamed or vilified for what they did to STEAL Palestine and being the very reason a Hamas even exists. The pro-Israeli side gets away w/ the most disgusting language (and PROJECTION) about my people along w/ disgusting behavior -- which I know first-hand.

The most accurate quote for Israel and its arrogant, hypocritical defenders: Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing.

Thank you for your post. I am sure some with dismiss it because of the crazy capitalization (not sure why you did that?), but I hope they do read it and pay attention to the fact that you are commenting with knowledge from your Palestinian relatives' experience.

I would also add on the following quote from a local group email chat my community is having: "If the price of peace with the Palestinians is that Israel must change, that is not antisemitic."

Israel's restrictions and retaliatory killings of Palestinians has only led to more violence. I think Israel needs to try another approach and the US should make it's funding contingent on a new approach.

I do it to mock the preposterous claims of Zionists that Israel is a democracy or that they're just trying to defend themselves, which is absolute nonsense.

There wouldn't be enough bandwidth just to get into how disgusting that country treats American citizens just trying to visit Palestinian relatives. To witness some 20-something w/ an E. European accent, act like an absolute a-hole because he knows he can get away w/ it, would make you hate them within a few mins of arrival, but they're looking to get a reaction. They live for getting you to react to their cruelty, which is why no matter what they do, we don't react. We won't give them the satisfaction. They're psychotic in their cruelty.

The Zionists on this board are tantamount to southern whites in the '60s who'd claim "Ar' n*gras is fine. They're happy down here."

Riiiight. No need to defend yourself when there are thousands of brutes waiting for an opportunity to massacre you (either before or after they rape and/or dismember you)... Yep. These fears are totally unfounded. It's not like anything like that happened or something.

Oh wait. You probably say it didn't happen. Riiiight.

What time is it where you are, "habibti"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Erm, who is it who is actually "screeching"?

Give it a rest and don't attempt to mock my right to be angry about what is happening.

At this point, if your Chinese food delivery is missing the egg rolls, you'd blame Hamas for it.

Suuuure. Hamas is NBD, right?

Thank you, Bureau of Disinformation representative.

[Anonymous]

If you're not in Moscow or Tehran, or perhaps Damascus, don't you need your rest before another day of trying to get Jews murdered wherever they are in the world?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A very rough day at the office for haters of Israel.

That’s the whole world now right?

No, obviously not. People of good faith understand the threat from the death cult terrorists Israel is fighting. Like just said, a Very Rough Day at the Office for Hamas.

Let’s not exaggerate what Mossad can do, shall we. For all their supposed prowess, thousands of Nazi criminals died of old age in Latin America.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Look, there are almost 2 million Arabs living in Israel - about 20% of the country's population. And no one is proposing to throw them out. They are living there peacefully.

The Palestinians in Gaza WERE able to come and go when they had jobs in Israel or needed medical treatment, or all kinds of other things. But I don't know why you would think that it would ever make sense to fold Gaza into Israel. Who in the world would actually want that? You think the Palestinians who are angry to the point of rape and slaughter about Israel existing at all, want to live under Israeli rule?! You think this is a plan that should be proposed? "Hey, you keep saying 'from the river to the sea' and 'death to all Jews' - but wanna come join our country?"

I don't know why you think this is a gotcha.

Ah yes, the 2 million Arabs in Israel, the "1948 Arabs", the 20% of the total Arab population in 1948 that escaped deportation, Jewish militias or super-ardent Zionists who thought we no needo no Arabs in Eretz Israel, that ain't what good lord promised!

I'll leave the discussion of "nobody wants to throw them out" (guess what! some do!) or "they are completely equal to Israeli Jews!" (guess what! they aren't!) for another day. Better people than me have days jobs that focus exclusively on cataloguing that type of inequality. But a few facts for the readers:

"In the aftermath of the 1947–49 Palestine war, of the estimated 950,000 Arabs that lived in the territory that became Israel before the war, over 80% fled or were expelled and 20%, some 156,000, remained.[31] Arab citizens of Israel today are largely composed of the people who remained and their descendants. Others include some from the Gaza Strip and the West Bank who procured Israeli citizenship under family-unification provisions made significantly more stringent in the aftermath of the Second Intifada.[32]

While most Arabs remaining in Israel were granted citizenship, they were subject to martial law in the early years of the state.[33][34] Zionism had given little serious thought as to how to integrate Arabs, and according to Ian Lustick subsequent policies were 'implemented by a rigorous regime of military rule that dominated what remained of the Arab population in territory ruled by Israel, enabling the state to expropriate most Arab-owned land, severely limit its access to investment capital and employment opportunity, and eliminate virtually all opportunities to use citizenship as a vehicle for gaining political influence'.[35] Travel permits, curfews, administrative detentions, and expulsions were part of life until 1966.

I want to remind you that this discussion was brought on by the post lamenting "why can't Gazans integrate peacefully into Israeli society like other Arabs who live in Israel!" The "gotcha" part is that in fact, this integration, i.e. citizenship, has never, ever, ever been made available to ANY ARAB OUTSIDE OF "1948 ARABS, that is, the 20% that escaped deportation in 1948. Never since then. Not once.

Don't talk about being able to "come and go". Libraries can be filled with stories by the people whose lives were derailed by random rejections at checkpoints, inordinately long wait times, lost opportunities to travel, do business, receive an education, perform or play sports at the global stage.

How about Arabs in East Jerusalem and the Golan who are able to apply for citizenship?

You mean like my Palestinian relatives who are "citizens" of that "dEmOCracY" and live in E. Jerusalem? It's PALESTINIAN, not "Arab." Israelis are the ones with the made-up identity. They even erased Arab Jews (including Palestinian Jews) and call all of them "Mizrahi" because that's how despicable Zionism is. A racist ideology from Europe which destroyed PALESTINE and made all PALESTINIAN and other ARAB Jews erase their own identity to please their Ashkenazi interlopers, and then have the audacity to claim the Arab culture and the food is now "iSrAeli."

Well, you've been lied to about the equality. They're given different IDs and even license plates look different so they know it's not Jews in the car. Which is why my family who've been there forever (we've done DNA tests, so we know we're comprised of every 'invader,' not to mention I've laughably had a couple of Israelis here in the US hit on me in Hebrew thinking I was Israeli), are denied the access to certain roads, but an (alleged) rapist like Brett Ratner fleeing US prosecution, can just show up and on day one, gets to use that road which gets you to where you need to be within a few minutes while it takes my 80yo grandfather an hour if he's lucky (with nasty checkpoints along the way), to get to his destination.

It is a virulently racist oppressive country and the fact is that the US media has done everything to deny it for decades because it's no longer up for debate: When you have the likes of David Brooks (whose own son served w/ the IDF), Bret Stephens (who writes articles titled "The Diseased Arab Mind" BEFORE he even got hired by the NYT) and countless others who are unrelenting in their Zionism, but considered "American, unbiased media," then you know why it's my family who gets vilified by people like them who get to control the narrative and conditioned Americans for generations into believing israel "hAS a rIghT tO dEFenD iTsElF" against my grandfather trying to just go to places he was free to do as a child before some Long Island/Russian-born, arrogant, violent 20yo bully got to tell him he couldn't.

Social media has exposed the glaring hypocrisy of MSM and that's why the younger generation isn't "brainwashed" into believing Israel was spreading joy and then some evil Palestinians showed up and ruined all of that "peace." They see the word "killed" reserved for Israelis and "died" for Palestinians. They see the media and the govt simply taking the lies of israel as gospel.

The absolute nerve of some of you in denial about the barbarism, RAPE, torture of Zionist Jews showing up from Europe and they brought terrorism themselves. My God, you have actual documentaries w/ old Zionist Jewish men laughing and bragging about their depravity. Israelis have never been made to feel ashamed or vilified for what they did to STEAL Palestine and being the very reason a Hamas even exists. The pro-Israeli side gets away w/ the most disgusting language (and PROJECTION) about my people along w/ disgusting behavior -- which I know first-hand.

The most accurate quote for Israel and its arrogant, hypocritical defenders: Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing.

History and DNA disagree with most of your ranting. Ashkenazi Jews do in fact have strong DNA ties to the region and countless historical documents corroborate how Jews were chased out of their homeland of Judea and repeatedly persecuted and chased from country to country, ending up in Europe. But here you are denying all of that. Do you also deny that the holocaust happened?

And likewise, history also shows that many of the Muslim Palestinians do indeed descend from Arabs who came into the area with the spread of Islam. You also deny many other aspects of the history of Palestine. You act as if Israelis just showed up in 1947 and stole the land. That is not at all the case. It was a deal made by the UK, who controlled the land ever since WWI, when the Ottomans lost control of it. The previous rulers of Palestine fought a war, and lost. And this was followed by many others who tried attacking Israel and exterminating Jews throughout the 1940s, 1950s, 1960s and so on. Arabs attacked, Jews defended, Arabs lost. Over and over. Yet the whole basis for Arab dominance in the region was because of conquest in the first place. Legitimate for Arabs to do it, but not for anyone else?

You want to yammer about what's disgusting, what's arrogant, what's hypocritical yet you are completely oblivious to all that is disgusting, arrogant and hypocritical in what you yourself post.

It doesn't matter how many times you attempt this nonsense:

People lived on that land before Judaism

There has never been a point where Jews were the only people on that land, nor were they ever the majority

There has never been proof that every single Jew lived specifically on THAT strip of land and that every current Palestinian just sauntered on the land a mere 5 minutes ago.

The idea that every single current Jew was a Jew back then, not a single Palestinian has a claim or was ever a Jew back then and that only current Jews get to claim something from thousands of years ago, is such arrogance. By that logic, since we all came from Africa, I'm just going to decide that my family specifically came from the area rich in natural resources and I want my cut.

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Look, there are almost 2 million Arabs living in Israel - about 20% of the country's population. And no one is proposing to throw them out. They are living there peacefully.

The Palestinians in Gaza WERE able to come and go when they had jobs in Israel or needed medical treatment, or all kinds of other things. But I don't know why you would think that it would ever make sense to fold Gaza into Israel. Who in the world would actually want that? You think the Palestinians who are angry to the point of rape and slaughter about Israel existing at all, want to live under Israeli rule?! You think this is a plan that should be proposed? "Hey, you keep saying 'from the river to the sea' and 'death to all Jews' - but wanna come join our country?"

I don't know why you think this is a gotcha.

Ah yes, the 2 million Arabs in Israel, the "1948 Arabs", the 20% of the total Arab population in 1948 that escaped deportation, Jewish militias or super-ardent Zionists who thought we no needo no Arabs in Eretz Israel, that ain't what good lord promised!

I'll leave the discussion of "nobody wants to throw them out" (guess what! some do!) or "they are completely equal to Israeli Jews!" (guess what! they aren't!) for another day. Better people than me have days jobs that focus exclusively on cataloguing that type of inequality. But a few facts for the readers:

"In the aftermath of the 1947–49 Palestine war, of the estimated 950,000 Arabs that lived in the territory that became Israel before the war, over 80% fled or were expelled and 20%, some 156,000, remained.[31] Arab citizens of Israel today are largely composed of the people who remained and their descendants. Others include some from the Gaza Strip and the West Bank who procured Israeli citizenship under family-unification provisions made significantly more stringent in the aftermath of the Second Intifada.[32]

While most Arabs remaining in Israel were granted citizenship, they were subject to martial law in the early years of the state.[33][34] Zionism had given little serious thought as to how to integrate Arabs, and according to Ian Lustick subsequent policies were 'implemented by a rigorous regime of military rule that dominated what remained of the Arab population in territory ruled by Israel, enabling the state to expropriate most Arab-owned land, severely limit its access to investment capital and employment opportunity, and eliminate virtually all opportunities to use citizenship as a vehicle for gaining political influence'.[35] Travel permits, curfews, administrative detentions, and expulsions were part of life until 1966.

I want to remind you that this discussion was brought on by the post lamenting "why can't Gazans integrate peacefully into Israeli society like other Arabs who live in Israel!" The "gotcha" part is that in fact, this integration, i.e. citizenship, has never, ever, ever been made available to ANY ARAB OUTSIDE OF "1948 ARABS, that is, the 20% that escaped deportation in 1948. Never since then. Not once.

Don't talk about being able to "come and go". Libraries can be filled with stories by the people whose lives were derailed by random rejections at checkpoints, inordinately long wait times, lost opportunities to travel, do business, receive an education, perform or play sports at the global stage.

How about Arabs in East Jerusalem and the Golan who are able to apply for citizenship?

You mean like my Palestinian relatives who are "citizens" of that "dEmOCracY" and live in E. Jerusalem? It's PALESTINIAN, not "Arab." Israelis are the ones with the made-up identity. They even erased Arab Jews (including Palestinian Jews) and call all of them "Mizrahi" because that's how despicable Zionism is. A racist ideology from Europe which destroyed PALESTINE and made all PALESTINIAN and other ARAB Jews erase their own identity to please their Ashkenazi interlopers, and then have the audacity to claim the Arab culture and the food is now "iSrAeli."

Well, you've been lied to about the equality. They're given different IDs and even license plates look different so they know it's not Jews in the car. Which is why my family who've been there forever (we've done DNA tests, so we know we're comprised of every 'invader,' not to mention I've laughably had a couple of Israelis here in the US hit on me in Hebrew thinking I was Israeli), are denied the access to certain roads, but an (alleged) rapist like Brett Ratner fleeing US prosecution, can just show up and on day one, gets to use that road which gets you to where you need to be within a few minutes while it takes my 80yo grandfather an hour if he's lucky (with nasty checkpoints along the way), to get to his destination.

It is a virulently racist oppressive country and the fact is that the US media has done everything to deny it for decades because it's no longer up for debate: When you have the likes of David Brooks (whose own son served w/ the IDF), Bret Stephens (who writes articles titled "The Diseased Arab Mind" BEFORE he even got hired by the NYT) and countless others who are unrelenting in their Zionism, but considered "American, unbiased media," then you know why it's my family who gets vilified by people like them who get to control the narrative and conditioned Americans for generations into believing israel "hAS a rIghT tO dEFenD iTsElF" against my grandfather trying to just go to places he was free to do as a child before some Long Island/Russian-born, arrogant, violent 20yo bully got to tell him he couldn't.

Social media has exposed the glaring hypocrisy of MSM and that's why the younger generation isn't "brainwashed" into believing Israel was spreading joy and then some evil Palestinians showed up and ruined all of that "peace." They see the word "killed" reserved for Israelis and "died" for Palestinians. They see the media and the govt simply taking the lies of israel as gospel.

The absolute nerve of some of you in denial about the barbarism, RAPE, torture of Zionist Jews showing up from Europe and they brought terrorism themselves. My God, you have actual documentaries w/ old Zionist Jewish men laughing and bragging about their depravity. Israelis have never been made to feel ashamed or vilified for what they did to STEAL Palestine and being the very reason a Hamas even exists. The pro-Israeli side gets away w/ the most disgusting language (and PROJECTION) about my people along w/ disgusting behavior -- which I know first-hand.

The most accurate quote for Israel and its arrogant, hypocritical defenders: Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing.

Thank you for your post. I am sure some with dismiss it because of the crazy capitalization (not sure why you did that?), but I hope they do read it and pay attention to the fact that you are commenting with knowledge from your Palestinian relatives' experience.

I would also add on the following quote from a local group email chat my community is having: "If the price of peace with the Palestinians is that Israel must change, that is not antisemitic."

Israel's restrictions and retaliatory killings of Palestinians has only led to more violence. I think Israel needs to try another approach and the US should make it's funding contingent on a new approach.

I do it to mock the preposterous claims of Zionists that Israel is a democracy or that they're just trying to defend themselves, which is absolute nonsense.

There wouldn't be enough bandwidth just to get into how disgusting that country treats American citizens just trying to visit Palestinian relatives. To witness some 20-something w/ an E. European accent, act like an absolute a-hole because he knows he can get away w/ it, would make you hate them within a few mins of arrival, but they're looking to get a reaction. They live for getting you to react to their cruelty, which is why no matter what they do, we don't react. We won't give them the satisfaction. They're psychotic in their cruelty.

The Zionists on this board are tantamount to southern whites in the '60s who'd claim "Ar' n*gras is fine. They're happy down here."

Riiiight. No need to defend yourself when there are thousands of brutes waiting for an opportunity to massacre you (either before or after they rape and/or dismember you)... Yep. These fears are totally unfounded. It's not like anything like that happened or something.

Oh wait. You probably say it didn't happen. Riiiight.

What time is it where you are, "habibti"?

It’s not her fault you can’t afford a place in Tel Aviv proper and have to get a cheap house in the settlements instead. I’m sure they have a “Jewish only” sign somewhere on the gates.

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Anonymous wrote:If you're not in Moscow or Tehran, or perhaps Damascus, don't you need your rest before another day of trying to get Jews murdered wherever they are in the world?

Aw honey. There’s 400,000+ Jews living in Russia alone. If they wanted to get Jews murdered “wherever they are”, they don’t really have to go outside. But don’t let the facts get in the way of your screeds.

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Look, there are almost 2 million Arabs living in Israel - about 20% of the country's population. And no one is proposing to throw them out. They are living there peacefully.

The Palestinians in Gaza WERE able to come and go when they had jobs in Israel or needed medical treatment, or all kinds of other things. But I don't know why you would think that it would ever make sense to fold Gaza into Israel. Who in the world would actually want that? You think the Palestinians who are angry to the point of rape and slaughter about Israel existing at all, want to live under Israeli rule?! You think this is a plan that should be proposed? "Hey, you keep saying 'from the river to the sea' and 'death to all Jews' - but wanna come join our country?"

I don't know why you think this is a gotcha.

Ah yes, the 2 million Arabs in Israel, the "1948 Arabs", the 20% of the total Arab population in 1948 that escaped deportation, Jewish militias or super-ardent Zionists who thought we no needo no Arabs in Eretz Israel, that ain't what good lord promised!

I'll leave the discussion of "nobody wants to throw them out" (guess what! some do!) or "they are completely equal to Israeli Jews!" (guess what! they aren't!) for another day. Better people than me have days jobs that focus exclusively on cataloguing that type of inequality. But a few facts for the readers:

"In the aftermath of the 1947–49 Palestine war, of the estimated 950,000 Arabs that lived in the territory that became Israel before the war, over 80% fled or were expelled and 20%, some 156,000, remained.[31] Arab citizens of Israel today are largely composed of the people who remained and their descendants. Others include some from the Gaza Strip and the West Bank who procured Israeli citizenship under family-unification provisions made significantly more stringent in the aftermath of the Second Intifada.[32]

While most Arabs remaining in Israel were granted citizenship, they were subject to martial law in the early years of the state.[33][34] Zionism had given little serious thought as to how to integrate Arabs, and according to Ian Lustick subsequent policies were 'implemented by a rigorous regime of military rule that dominated what remained of the Arab population in territory ruled by Israel, enabling the state to expropriate most Arab-owned land, severely limit its access to investment capital and employment opportunity, and eliminate virtually all opportunities to use citizenship as a vehicle for gaining political influence'.[35] Travel permits, curfews, administrative detentions, and expulsions were part of life until 1966.

I want to remind you that this discussion was brought on by the post lamenting "why can't Gazans integrate peacefully into Israeli society like other Arabs who live in Israel!" The "gotcha" part is that in fact, this integration, i.e. citizenship, has never, ever, ever been made available to ANY ARAB OUTSIDE OF "1948 ARABS, that is, the 20% that escaped deportation in 1948. Never since then. Not once.

Don't talk about being able to "come and go". Libraries can be filled with stories by the people whose lives were derailed by random rejections at checkpoints, inordinately long wait times, lost opportunities to travel, do business, receive an education, perform or play sports at the global stage.

How about Arabs in East Jerusalem and the Golan who are able to apply for citizenship?

You mean like my Palestinian relatives who are "citizens" of that "dEmOCracY" and live in E. Jerusalem? It's PALESTINIAN, not "Arab." Israelis are the ones with the made-up identity. They even erased Arab Jews (including Palestinian Jews) and call all of them "Mizrahi" because that's how despicable Zionism is. A racist ideology from Europe which destroyed PALESTINE and made all PALESTINIAN and other ARAB Jews erase their own identity to please their Ashkenazi interlopers, and then have the audacity to claim the Arab culture and the food is now "iSrAeli."

Well, you've been lied to about the equality. They're given different IDs and even license plates look different so they know it's not Jews in the car. Which is why my family who've been there forever (we've done DNA tests, so we know we're comprised of every 'invader,' not to mention I've laughably had a couple of Israelis here in the US hit on me in Hebrew thinking I was Israeli), are denied the access to certain roads, but an (alleged) rapist like Brett Ratner fleeing US prosecution, can just show up and on day one, gets to use that road which gets you to where you need to be within a few minutes while it takes my 80yo grandfather an hour if he's lucky (with nasty checkpoints along the way), to get to his destination.

It is a virulently racist oppressive country and the fact is that the US media has done everything to deny it for decades because it's no longer up for debate: When you have the likes of David Brooks (whose own son served w/ the IDF), Bret Stephens (who writes articles titled "The Diseased Arab Mind" BEFORE he even got hired by the NYT) and countless others who are unrelenting in their Zionism, but considered "American, unbiased media," then you know why it's my family who gets vilified by people like them who get to control the narrative and conditioned Americans for generations into believing israel "hAS a rIghT tO dEFenD iTsElF" against my grandfather trying to just go to places he was free to do as a child before some Long Island/Russian-born, arrogant, violent 20yo bully got to tell him he couldn't.

Social media has exposed the glaring hypocrisy of MSM and that's why the younger generation isn't "brainwashed" into believing Israel was spreading joy and then some evil Palestinians showed up and ruined all of that "peace." They see the word "killed" reserved for Israelis and "died" for Palestinians. They see the media and the govt simply taking the lies of israel as gospel.

The absolute nerve of some of you in denial about the barbarism, RAPE, torture of Zionist Jews showing up from Europe and they brought terrorism themselves. My God, you have actual documentaries w/ old Zionist Jewish men laughing and bragging about their depravity. Israelis have never been made to feel ashamed or vilified for what they did to STEAL Palestine and being the very reason a Hamas even exists. The pro-Israeli side gets away w/ the most disgusting language (and PROJECTION) about my people along w/ disgusting behavior -- which I know first-hand.

The most accurate quote for Israel and its arrogant, hypocritical defenders: Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing.

Thank you for your post. I am sure some with dismiss it because of the crazy capitalization (not sure why you did that?), but I hope they do read it and pay attention to the fact that you are commenting with knowledge from your Palestinian relatives' experience.

I would also add on the following quote from a local group email chat my community is having: "If the price of peace with the Palestinians is that Israel must change, that is not antisemitic."

Israel's restrictions and retaliatory killings of Palestinians has only led to more violence. I think Israel needs to try another approach and the US should make it's funding contingent on a new approach.

I do it to mock the preposterous claims of Zionists that Israel is a democracy or that they're just trying to defend themselves, which is absolute nonsense.

There wouldn't be enough bandwidth just to get into how disgusting that country treats American citizens just trying to visit Palestinian relatives. To witness some 20-something w/ an E. European accent, act like an absolute a-hole because he knows he can get away w/ it, would make you hate them within a few mins of arrival, but they're looking to get a reaction. They live for getting you to react to their cruelty, which is why no matter what they do, we don't react. We won't give them the satisfaction. They're psychotic in their cruelty.

The Zionists on this board are tantamount to southern whites in the '60s who'd claim "Ar' n*gras is fine. They're happy down here."

Riiiight. No need to defend yourself when there are thousands of brutes waiting for an opportunity to massacre you (either before or after they rape and/or dismember you)... Yep. These fears are totally unfounded. It's not like anything like that happened or something.

Oh wait. You probably say it didn't happen. Riiiight.

What time is it where you are, "habibti"?

It’s not her fault you can’t afford a place in Tel Aviv proper and have to get a cheap house in the settlements instead. I’m sure they have a “Jewish only” sign somewhere on the gates.

Listen, "habibti," this is ranting, raving, and screeching. Your terrorist buddies perpetrated a brutal attack against civilians that was calculated to start a war, and they tried very, very hard to get as many Gazans killed as possible for their own twisted death cult purposes.

You seem to be here (on DCUM... who know where you actually are) to take advantage of Americans' fractured social fabric to drive as many wedges as you can. You have nothing valid to say, only one screed after another that tries to demonize Jews. You know, the people whose women your friends shot in the vagina after raping them. The people your friends tied together and set on fire. The people whose children and elderly they abducted. The people whose young women were excluded from hostage returns because they had been raped too many times and would say so if released.

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Anonymous wrote:If you're not in Moscow or Tehran, or perhaps Damascus, don't you need your rest before another day of trying to get Jews murdered wherever they are in the world?

Aw honey. There’s 400,000+ Jews living in Russia alone. If they wanted to get Jews murdered “wherever they are”, they don’t really have to go outside. But don’t let the facts get in the way of your screeds.

So you're a Russian troll?

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My last post on this and I won't read this thread again, because I already know the excuses made:

The lack of introspection with Zionists is precisely why Israel will never have the (blind) support it once did. It will never be Palestinians who destroy it. It will be your own arrogance and the violent, hateful influx of those from places like the former USSR. You're done w/ the younger generation who see the MSM's glaring omissions and know it's been going on for decades. So racist in how you view Palestinians and other Arabs, that they have no interest in defending people who tend to be of the "ilk" who were once in govt and despicably assigned to working in the office of I/P on behalf of "America," yet who spend their post-govt days harassing Halal truck guys over weeks and telling them there aren't enough dead babies for his taste...that's the kind of evil garbage at the helm of government policy.

Golda Meir lived in a home stolen from a Palestinian family. She had the Arabic etchings sandblasted so that there would be nothing of the family who built it. Wonder if that's mentioned in that film about her. I doubt it.

Racist, bigoted people who can't accept they're the only ones who get away w/ denying another people's existence to dehumanize and nullify them to make it acceptable to kill and rape and torture for 75yrs.


Hey, did your "bubbie" marry a wonderful man like this, "habibti"? Did he gather you all and regale you in stories like this monster?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc_fVP68U3I