Look, there are almost 2 million Arabs living in Israel - about 20% of the country's population. And no one is proposing to throw them out. They are living there peacefully.
The Palestinians in Gaza WERE able to come and go when they had jobs in Israel or needed medical treatment, or all kinds of other things. But I don't know why you would think that it would ever make sense to fold Gaza into Israel. Who in the world would actually want that? You think the Palestinians who are angry to the point of rape and slaughter about Israel existing at all, want to live under Israeli rule?! You think this is a plan that should be proposed? "Hey, you keep saying 'from the river to the sea' and 'death to all Jews' - but wanna come join our country?"
I don't know why you think this is a gotcha.
Ah yes, the 2 million Arabs in Israel, the "1948 Arabs", the 20% of the total Arab population in 1948 that escaped deportation, Jewish militias or super-ardent Zionists who thought we no needo no Arabs in Eretz Israel, that ain't what good lord promised!
I'll leave the discussion of "nobody wants to throw them out" (guess what! some do!) or "they are completely equal to Israeli Jews!" (guess what! they aren't!) for another day. Better people than me have days jobs that focus exclusively on cataloguing that type of inequality. But a few facts for the readers:
"In the aftermath of the 1947–49 Palestine war, of the estimated 950,000 Arabs that lived in the territory that became Israel before the war, over 80% fled or were expelled and 20%, some 156,000, remained.[31] Arab citizens of Israel today are largely composed of the people who remained and their descendants. Others include some from the Gaza Strip and the West Bank who procured Israeli citizenship under family-unification provisions made significantly more stringent in the aftermath of the Second Intifada.[32]
While most Arabs remaining in Israel were granted citizenship, they were subject to martial law in the early years of the state.[33][34] Zionism had given little serious thought as to how to integrate Arabs, and according to Ian Lustick subsequent policies were 'implemented by a rigorous regime of military rule that dominated what remained of the Arab population in territory ruled by Israel, enabling the state to expropriate most Arab-owned land, severely limit its access to investment capital and employment opportunity, and eliminate virtually all opportunities to use citizenship as a vehicle for gaining political influence'.[35] Travel permits, curfews, administrative detentions, and expulsions were part of life until 1966.
I want to remind you that this discussion was brought on by the post lamenting "why can't Gazans integrate peacefully into Israeli society like other Arabs who live in Israel!" The "gotcha" part is that in fact, this integration, i.e. citizenship, has never, ever, ever been made available to ANY ARAB OUTSIDE OF "1948 ARABS, that is, the 20% that escaped deportation in 1948. Never since then. Not once.
Don't talk about being able to "come and go". Libraries can be filled with stories by the people whose lives were derailed by random rejections at checkpoints, inordinately long wait times, lost opportunities to travel, do business, receive an education, perform or play sports at the global stage.
How about Arabs in East Jerusalem and the Golan who are able to apply for citizenship?
The lack of Israeli citizenship has many implications. Without it, East Jerusalem Palestinians cannot vote in Israeli legislative elections or obtain an Israeli passport. To travel abroad they must apply for a temporary travel document (laissez passer). Some jobs are not open to non-citizens. Most importantly, their residency status can be revoked, unlike citizens. This has happened to over 14,000 Palestinians since 1967, mostly due to information showing that the center of their life was not in Jerusalem. With the loss of resident status, they lose their health insurance, livelihood and even the right to enter Jerusalem.
Over the years, the Interior Ministry has given various and sundry reasons for denying citizenship to Palestinians. This includes a family member owning land or having an electricity bill in the West Bank, or a failed short Hebrew test, or a small criminal file that was closed years ago. In one case, a person was denied because his wife, who is an Israeli citizen, published a post that mentioned the Nakba. Another person was denied because their social media profile photo showed a Palestinian flag, even though there was an Israeli flag alongside it. For many years, the ministry ignored a clause making the process easier by allowing for an expedited process for people under 21, denying applications made on the basis of this clause.
Just proves that your assertion that only those who remained after 1948 were able to get citizenship is wrong and your “has never ever been available” is also wrong.
Just proves that you have zero understanding of context surrounding the so-called "eligibility" of East Jerusalemites.
Just proves that you were caught in a lie and now trying to weasel out of it.
What? The poster said, "why can't Arabs from Gaza peacefully integrate into the Israeli society, like other Arabs in Israel". Tell me. How can an Arab from Gaza peacefully integrate into the Israel society, i.e. move to Israel and obtain citizenship? I'll wait.
No the poster said that Arabs have never been offered Israeli citizenship since 1948 which is a lie. Citizens of Gaza do not want to be citizens of Israel. Why do you infantilize them with your white superiority complex and think that you know best? They want their own country they don’t want to be Israelis. You all keep yelling about colonization but then think that you can tell these Gazans what they should be doing. Again, they don’t want to be Israelis.
Does any of what you just said matter? Israel and the Zionists supporting Israel's right to maintain a Jewish identity have made it abundantly clear that a non-Jewish population with equal rights (voting, by way of example) could never be allowed. Based on that fact, suggesting that non-Jewish citizens of Gaza or the West Bank could simply "opt in" to Israeli citizenship seems dishonest.
What's a lie is suggesting non-Jewish people cannot be Israeli citizens. That is patently false. There are MILLIONS of Israeli citizens with equal rights, who are Palestinian Arab Muslims, Christians and so on. And, Palestinians have in the past been given the option to opt in. They reject it, they throw it away.
It's almost like Israel is an apartheid state that shouldn't have a right to exist in its current form
fantasies.
Says who? Who determines what states can and cannot exist? Who has the power to make it not exist? Has it broken the laws of physics somehow and become an impossibility? No.
You don't want it to exist, that is a different story. Some want it to exist. So that is that.
If for some reason it did not exist anymore, why not then make it a nation for Christians? Red heads? Mongols? No inherent reason for it to belong to any one group.
You saw how long South Africa lasted once the west started pulling support
Ahem South Africa is still there.
As are so many other countries with zero support from the "west."
And Israel will still be there. Apartheid will be the only thing that vanishes. Israel needs the west. They will not accept the standard of living they would have absent the United States underwriting their military
Yusef, is that still you? You’re still here after all these days arguing with internet strangers about Israel not receiving a penny from the US when Hamas receives billions of aid intended for Palestine? Mummy would be so proud of your tenacity, Yusef.
Reminder: Netanyahu funneled millions to Hamas (via Qatar) so he wouldn't have to deal with the Palestinian Authority's demands for a two-state solution. This has been well-documented. It's a bit hypocritical to accuse outsiders of financially supporting Hamas when it was done by the Israeli government.
So?
Palestinians got played by Likud and the hard right in Israel. They wanted to make sure that Gaza and the West Bank were not on the same page. It makes Palestinians weaker. Totally normal. But Hamas gave them a gift by invading Israel.
After 10/7, there will not be a two state solution in anyone's lifetime.
I'm still not clear why Hamas committed those atrocities. Genuinely don't understand how murdering more than a thousand innocent people, injuring thousands of others, raping women and chopping off their breasts and their heads and putting nails in their genitals, and kidnapping babies and old people and more young women helps the Palestinian cause.
Would really like to know what was the thinking here.
In any event, the right wing in Israel is now stronger than ever. There will never be an independent Palestine.
What was the point of it all? What was the end game? Gaza lies in ruins. Palestinians have decades of misery to look forward to.
What was the point of the massacres?
The Hamas charter says massacring Jews is an end in itself. That and they want a constant state of war. Hamas does not want any kind of solution. Hamas is a death cult.
"Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.
Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage. The Zionist movement, which was able with the help of Western powers to occupy Palestine, is the most dangerous form of settlement occupation which has already disappeared from much of the world and must disappear from Palestine."
Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.
Ah, here we have a Hamas-defender. Just disgusting. And you conveniently left all of this nuttery out:
Article 6:
It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine, for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned. In the absence of Islam, strife will be rife, oppression spreads, evil prevails, and schisms and wars will break out.
Article 7:
The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the links in the chain of the struggle against the Zionist invaders. It goes back to 1939, to the emergence of the martyr Izz al-Din al Kissam and his brethren the fighters, members of Muslim Brotherhood.
Article 8:
Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.
Article 13:
Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Now and then the call goes out for the convening of an international conference to look for ways of solving the [Palestinian] question. Some accept, others reject the idea, for this or other reason, with one stipulation or more for consent to convening the conference and participating in it. Knowing the parties constituting the conference, their past and present attitudes towards Muslim problems, the Islamic Resistance Movement does not consider these conferences capable of realizing the demands, restoring the rights or doing justice to the oppressed. These conferences are only ways of setting the infidels in the land of the Muslims as arbitrators. When did the infidels do justice to the believers?
Article 15:
The day that enemies usurp part of Muslim land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Muslim. In face of the Jews' usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.
The Islamic nature of Palestine is part of our religion and whoever takes his religion lightly is a loser. The day The Palestinian Liberation Organization adopts Islam as its way of life, we will become its soldiers, and fuel for its fire that will burn the enemies.
It is the duty of the followers of other religions to stop disputing the sovereignty of Islam in this region, because the day these followers should take over there will be nothing but carnage, displacement and terror.
Article 35:
The present Zionist onslaught has also been preceded by Crusading raids from the West and other Tatar raids from the East. Just as the Muslims faced those raids and planned fighting and defeating them, they should be able to confront the Zionist invasion and defeat it.
Yawn. Should we go back to the Likud platform gloating over the "from the river to the sea"?
Go back to your video games and let the adults discuss serious world problems without internet troll words like "yawn".
Look, there are almost 2 million Arabs living in Israel - about 20% of the country's population. And no one is proposing to throw them out. They are living there peacefully.
The Palestinians in Gaza WERE able to come and go when they had jobs in Israel or needed medical treatment, or all kinds of other things. But I don't know why you would think that it would ever make sense to fold Gaza into Israel. Who in the world would actually want that? You think the Palestinians who are angry to the point of rape and slaughter about Israel existing at all, want to live under Israeli rule?! You think this is a plan that should be proposed? "Hey, you keep saying 'from the river to the sea' and 'death to all Jews' - but wanna come join our country?"
I don't know why you think this is a gotcha.
Ah yes, the 2 million Arabs in Israel, the "1948 Arabs", the 20% of the total Arab population in 1948 that escaped deportation, Jewish militias or super-ardent Zionists who thought we no needo no Arabs in Eretz Israel, that ain't what good lord promised!
I'll leave the discussion of "nobody wants to throw them out" (guess what! some do!) or "they are completely equal to Israeli Jews!" (guess what! they aren't!) for another day. Better people than me have days jobs that focus exclusively on cataloguing that type of inequality. But a few facts for the readers:
"In the aftermath of the 1947–49 Palestine war, of the estimated 950,000 Arabs that lived in the territory that became Israel before the war, over 80% fled or were expelled and 20%, some 156,000, remained.[31] Arab citizens of Israel today are largely composed of the people who remained and their descendants. Others include some from the Gaza Strip and the West Bank who procured Israeli citizenship under family-unification provisions made significantly more stringent in the aftermath of the Second Intifada.[32]
While most Arabs remaining in Israel were granted citizenship, they were subject to martial law in the early years of the state.[33][34] Zionism had given little serious thought as to how to integrate Arabs, and according to Ian Lustick subsequent policies were 'implemented by a rigorous regime of military rule that dominated what remained of the Arab population in territory ruled by Israel, enabling the state to expropriate most Arab-owned land, severely limit its access to investment capital and employment opportunity, and eliminate virtually all opportunities to use citizenship as a vehicle for gaining political influence'.[35] Travel permits, curfews, administrative detentions, and expulsions were part of life until 1966.
I want to remind you that this discussion was brought on by the post lamenting "why can't Gazans integrate peacefully into Israeli society like other Arabs who live in Israel!" The "gotcha" part is that in fact, this integration, i.e. citizenship, has never, ever, ever been made available to ANY ARAB OUTSIDE OF "1948 ARABS, that is, the 20% that escaped deportation in 1948. Never since then. Not once.
Don't talk about being able to "come and go". Libraries can be filled with stories by the people whose lives were derailed by random rejections at checkpoints, inordinately long wait times, lost opportunities to travel, do business, receive an education, perform or play sports at the global stage.
How about Arabs in East Jerusalem and the Golan who are able to apply for citizenship?
The lack of Israeli citizenship has many implications. Without it, East Jerusalem Palestinians cannot vote in Israeli legislative elections or obtain an Israeli passport. To travel abroad they must apply for a temporary travel document (laissez passer). Some jobs are not open to non-citizens. Most importantly, their residency status can be revoked, unlike citizens. This has happened to over 14,000 Palestinians since 1967, mostly due to information showing that the center of their life was not in Jerusalem. With the loss of resident status, they lose their health insurance, livelihood and even the right to enter Jerusalem.
Over the years, the Interior Ministry has given various and sundry reasons for denying citizenship to Palestinians. This includes a family member owning land or having an electricity bill in the West Bank, or a failed short Hebrew test, or a small criminal file that was closed years ago. In one case, a person was denied because his wife, who is an Israeli citizen, published a post that mentioned the Nakba. Another person was denied because their social media profile photo showed a Palestinian flag, even though there was an Israeli flag alongside it. For many years, the ministry ignored a clause making the process easier by allowing for an expedited process for people under 21, denying applications made on the basis of this clause.
Just proves that your assertion that only those who remained after 1948 were able to get citizenship is wrong and your “has never ever been available” is also wrong.
Just proves that you have zero understanding of context surrounding the so-called "eligibility" of East Jerusalemites.
Just proves that you were caught in a lie and now trying to weasel out of it.
What? The poster said, "why can't Arabs from Gaza peacefully integrate into the Israeli society, like other Arabs in Israel". Tell me. How can an Arab from Gaza peacefully integrate into the Israel society, i.e. move to Israel and obtain citizenship? I'll wait.
No the poster said that Arabs have never been offered Israeli citizenship since 1948 which is a lie. Citizens of Gaza do not want to be citizens of Israel. Why do you infantilize them with your white superiority complex and think that you know best? They want their own country they don’t want to be Israelis. You all keep yelling about colonization but then think that you can tell these Gazans what they should be doing. Again, they don’t want to be Israelis.
Does any of what you just said matter? Israel and the Zionists supporting Israel's right to maintain a Jewish identity have made it abundantly clear that a non-Jewish population with equal rights (voting, by way of example) could never be allowed. Based on that fact, suggesting that non-Jewish citizens of Gaza or the West Bank could simply "opt in" to Israeli citizenship seems dishonest.
What's a lie is suggesting non-Jewish people cannot be Israeli citizens. That is patently false. There are MILLIONS of Israeli citizens with equal rights, who are Palestinian Arab Muslims, Christians and so on. And, Palestinians have in the past been given the option to opt in. They reject it, they throw it away.
It's almost like Israel is an apartheid state that shouldn't have a right to exist in its current form
fantasies.
Says who? Who determines what states can and cannot exist? Who has the power to make it not exist? Has it broken the laws of physics somehow and become an impossibility? No.
You don't want it to exist, that is a different story. Some want it to exist. So that is that.
If for some reason it did not exist anymore, why not then make it a nation for Christians? Red heads? Mongols? No inherent reason for it to belong to any one group.
You saw how long South Africa lasted once the west started pulling support
Ahem South Africa is still there.
As are so many other countries with zero support from the "west."
And Israel will still be there. Apartheid will be the only thing that vanishes. Israel needs the west. They will not accept the standard of living they would have absent the United States underwriting their military
Yusef, is that still you? You’re still here after all these days arguing with internet strangers about Israel not receiving a penny from the US when Hamas receives billions of aid intended for Palestine? Mummy would be so proud of your tenacity, Yusef.
Reminder: Netanyahu funneled millions to Hamas (via Qatar) so he wouldn't have to deal with the Palestinian Authority's demands for a two-state solution. This has been well-documented. It's a bit hypocritical to accuse outsiders of financially supporting Hamas when it was done by the Israeli government.
So?
Palestinians got played by Likud and the hard right in Israel. They wanted to make sure that Gaza and the West Bank were not on the same page. It makes Palestinians weaker. Totally normal. But Hamas gave them a gift by invading Israel.
After 10/7, there will not be a two state solution in anyone's lifetime.
I'm still not clear why Hamas committed those atrocities. Genuinely don't understand how murdering more than a thousand innocent people, injuring thousands of others, raping women and chopping off their breasts and their heads and putting nails in their genitals, and kidnapping babies and old people and more young women helps the Palestinian cause.
Would really like to know what was the thinking here.
In any event, the right wing in Israel is now stronger than ever. There will never be an independent Palestine.
What was the point of it all? What was the end game? Gaza lies in ruins. Palestinians have decades of misery to look forward to.
What was the point of the massacres?
The Hamas charter says massacring Jews is an end in itself. That and they want a constant state of war. Hamas does not want any kind of solution. Hamas is a death cult.
"Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.
Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage. The Zionist movement, which was able with the help of Western powers to occupy Palestine, is the most dangerous form of settlement occupation which has already disappeared from much of the world and must disappear from Palestine."
Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.
Ah, here we have a Hamas-defender. Just disgusting. And you conveniently left all of this nuttery out:
Article 6:
It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine, for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned. In the absence of Islam, strife will be rife, oppression spreads, evil prevails, and schisms and wars will break out.
Article 7:
The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the links in the chain of the struggle against the Zionist invaders. It goes back to 1939, to the emergence of the martyr Izz al-Din al Kissam and his brethren the fighters, members of Muslim Brotherhood.
Article 8:
Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.
Article 13:
Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Now and then the call goes out for the convening of an international conference to look for ways of solving the [Palestinian] question. Some accept, others reject the idea, for this or other reason, with one stipulation or more for consent to convening the conference and participating in it. Knowing the parties constituting the conference, their past and present attitudes towards Muslim problems, the Islamic Resistance Movement does not consider these conferences capable of realizing the demands, restoring the rights or doing justice to the oppressed. These conferences are only ways of setting the infidels in the land of the Muslims as arbitrators. When did the infidels do justice to the believers?
Article 15:
The day that enemies usurp part of Muslim land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Muslim. In face of the Jews' usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.
The Islamic nature of Palestine is part of our religion and whoever takes his religion lightly is a loser. The day The Palestinian Liberation Organization adopts Islam as its way of life, we will become its soldiers, and fuel for its fire that will burn the enemies.
It is the duty of the followers of other religions to stop disputing the sovereignty of Islam in this region, because the day these followers should take over there will be nothing but carnage, displacement and terror.
Article 35:
The present Zionist onslaught has also been preceded by Crusading raids from the West and other Tatar raids from the East. Just as the Muslims faced those raids and planned fighting and defeating them, they should be able to confront the Zionist invasion and defeat it.
Yawn. Should we go back to the Likud platform gloating over the "from the river to the sea"?
Anonymous wrote:Whoa. In the drone strike around Beirut, seven key Hamas members were eliminated. It is Unclear Who Is Responsible for the strike.
I have no idea who carried out the alleged attack in Beirut.
However, Mosad has indicated even if there is a ceasefire in Gaza, the leaders of Hamas will be hunted down and neutralized, no matter where they try to hide, anywhere on the planet.
Hamas will soon cease to exist. Count on that.
The same Mosad which— apparently— didn’t notice a full scale training and invasion of Israel in October despite the training and planning all taking place under its nose? Those guys?
Yeah, that's a big issue. Terrible security failure
But's that not really Mossad.
Same thing as 9/11. Poor communication among security agencies. Laziness. They had a sense, but 9 to 5ers. Politics. Bureaucracy. No imagination. A holiday.
And ultimately Israelis lost more than 1200 people because of their incompetence.
Meanwhile, it looks like Mossad got Saleh Arouri today. In Beirut. Very senior Hamas leader. And they got him without hurting any Lebanese.
After Munich - no, after the Holocaust and Eichmann - Israel made it pretty clear they will hunt. That's Mossad. Would feel a trifle nervous being a Hamas billionaire in Qatar.
Anonymous wrote:Whoa. In the drone strike around Beirut, seven key Hamas members were eliminated. It is Unclear Who Is Responsible for the strike.
I have no idea who carried out the alleged attack in Beirut.
However, Mosad has indicated even if there is a ceasefire in Gaza, the leaders of Hamas will be hunted down and neutralized, no matter where they try to hide, anywhere on the planet.
Hamas will soon cease to exist. Count on that.
Assuming not the IDF or another Israeli entity unless someone can confirm that at least 14 women and children were also killed, with an additional 10-20 non-combatants missing in the rubble?
I am sure that Hamas would have said that these people were just innocently operating a school or flower shop or whatever if that was the case.
It sounds like 6 or 7 terrorists were eliminated. There have been strikes in Syria, Libya, and Iran (allegedly).
These are precisely the types of precise strikes Critics of Israel have said they wanted in lieu of the Ground War. Well, here it is (allegedly), folks and /or haters. So all those opposed to Hamas can say, job well done, Israel (allegedly).
This is good news.
Great news if the strike was as surgical as it sounds!
If it was surgical Israel did not do it. Surgical for the IDF is killing 500 elementary kids just for fun.
Anonymous wrote:Whoa. In the drone strike around Beirut, seven key Hamas members were eliminated. It is Unclear Who Is Responsible for the strike.
I have no idea who carried out the alleged attack in Beirut.
However, Mosad has indicated even if there is a ceasefire in Gaza, the leaders of Hamas will be hunted down and neutralized, no matter where they try to hide, anywhere on the planet.
Hamas will soon cease to exist. Count on that.
The same Mosad which— apparently— didn’t notice a full scale training and invasion of Israel in October despite the training and planning all taking place under its nose? Those guys?
Yeah, that's a big issue. Terrible security failure
But's that not really Mossad.
Same thing as 9/11. Poor communication among security agencies. Laziness. They had a sense, but 9 to 5ers. Politics. Bureaucracy. No imagination. A holiday.
And ultimately Israelis lost more than 1200 people because of their incompetence.
Meanwhile, it looks like Mossad got Saleh Arouri today. In Beirut. Very senior Hamas leader. And they got him without hurting any Lebanese.
After Munich - no, after the Holocaust and Eichmann - Israel made it pretty clear they will hunt. That's Mossad. Would feel a trifle nervous being a Hamas billionaire in Qatar.
Oh how evocative! Would you feel a trifle nervous?
Anonymous wrote:Whoa. In the drone strike around Beirut, seven key Hamas members were eliminated. It is Unclear Who Is Responsible for the strike.
I have no idea who carried out the alleged attack in Beirut.
However, Mosad has indicated even if there is a ceasefire in Gaza, the leaders of Hamas will be hunted down and neutralized, no matter where they try to hide, anywhere on the planet.
Hamas will soon cease to exist. Count on that.
The same Mosad which— apparently— didn’t notice a full scale training and invasion of Israel in October despite the training and planning all taking place under its nose? Those guys?
Yeah, that's a big issue. Terrible security failure
But's that not really Mossad.
Same thing as 9/11. Poor communication among security agencies. Laziness. They had a sense, but 9 to 5ers. Politics. Bureaucracy. No imagination. A holiday.
And ultimately Israelis lost more than 1200 people because of their incompetence.
Meanwhile, it looks like Mossad got Saleh Arouri today. In Beirut. Very senior Hamas leader. And they got him without hurting any Lebanese.
After Munich - no, after the Holocaust and Eichmann - Israel made it pretty clear they will hunt. That's Mossad. Would feel a trifle nervous being a Hamas billionaire in Qatar.
Any senior Hamas figure will be hunted down wherever they try to hide in any country; Mossad will liquidate every last Hamas leader until the organization ceases to exist.
Anonymous wrote:Whoa. In the drone strike around Beirut, seven key Hamas members were eliminated. It is Unclear Who Is Responsible for the strike.
I have no idea who carried out the alleged attack in Beirut.
However, Mosad has indicated even if there is a ceasefire in Gaza, the leaders of Hamas will be hunted down and neutralized, no matter where they try to hide, anywhere on the planet.
Hamas will soon cease to exist. Count on that.
The same Mosad which— apparently— didn’t notice a full scale training and invasion of Israel in October despite the training and planning all taking place under its nose? Those guys?
Yeah, that's a big issue. Terrible security failure
But's that not really Mossad.
Same thing as 9/11. Poor communication among security agencies. Laziness. They had a sense, but 9 to 5ers. Politics. Bureaucracy. No imagination. A holiday.
And ultimately Israelis lost more than 1200 people because of their incompetence.
Meanwhile, it looks like Mossad got Saleh Arouri today. In Beirut. Very senior Hamas leader. And they got him without hurting any Lebanese.
After Munich - no, after the Holocaust and Eichmann - Israel made it pretty clear they will hunt. That's Mossad. Would feel a trifle nervous being a Hamas billionaire in Qatar.
Any senior Hamas figure will be hunted down wherever they try to hide in any country; Mossad will liquidate every last Hamas leader until the organization ceases to exist.
Anonymous wrote:Whoa. In the drone strike around Beirut, seven key Hamas members were eliminated. It is Unclear Who Is Responsible for the strike.
I have no idea who carried out the alleged attack in Beirut.
However, Mosad has indicated even if there is a ceasefire in Gaza, the leaders of Hamas will be hunted down and neutralized, no matter where they try to hide, anywhere on the planet.
Hamas will soon cease to exist. Count on that.
The same Mosad which— apparently— didn’t notice a full scale training and invasion of Israel in October despite the training and planning all taking place under its nose? Those guys?
Yeah, that's a big issue. Terrible security failure
But's that not really Mossad.
Same thing as 9/11. Poor communication among security agencies. Laziness. They had a sense, but 9 to 5ers. Politics. Bureaucracy. No imagination. A holiday.
And ultimately Israelis lost more than 1200 people because of their incompetence.
Meanwhile, it looks like Mossad got Saleh Arouri today. In Beirut. Very senior Hamas leader. And they got him without hurting any Lebanese.
After Munich - no, after the Holocaust and Eichmann - Israel made it pretty clear they will hunt. That's Mossad. Would feel a trifle nervous being a Hamas billionaire in Qatar.
Oh how evocative! Would you feel a trifle nervous?
Oh for sure
Am mindful of the bodybags
The way I get around it is I stay away from the raping and the torturing and the murdering
Anonymous wrote:Whoa. In the drone strike around Beirut, seven key Hamas members were eliminated. It is Unclear Who Is Responsible for the strike.
I have no idea who carried out the alleged attack in Beirut.
However, Mosad has indicated even if there is a ceasefire in Gaza, the leaders of Hamas will be hunted down and neutralized, no matter where they try to hide, anywhere on the planet.
Hamas will soon cease to exist. Count on that.
The same Mosad which— apparently— didn’t notice a full scale training and invasion of Israel in October despite the training and planning all taking place under its nose? Those guys?
Mossad addressesi international issues,
Yeah, that's a big issue. Terrible security failure
But's that not really Mossad.
Same thing as 9/11. Poor communication among security agencies. Laziness. They had a sense, but 9 to 5ers. Politics. Bureaucracy. No imagination. A holiday.
And ultimately Israelis lost more than 1200 people because of their incompetence.
Meanwhile, it looks like Mossad got Saleh Arouri today. In Beirut. Very senior Hamas leader. And they got him without hurting any Lebanese.
After Munich - no, after the Holocaust and Eichmann - Israel made it pretty clear they will hunt. That's Mossad. Would feel a trifle nervous being a Hamas billionaire in Qatar.
Anonymous wrote:Whoa. In the drone strike around Beirut, seven key Hamas members were eliminated. It is Unclear Who Is Responsible for the strike.
I have no idea who carried out the alleged attack in Beirut.
However, Mosad has indicated even if there is a ceasefire in Gaza, the leaders of Hamas will be hunted down and neutralized, no matter where they try to hide, anywhere on the planet.
Hamas will soon cease to exist. Count on that.
The same Mosad which— apparently— didn’t notice a full scale training and invasion of Israel in October despite the training and planning all taking place under its nose? Those guys?
Yeah, that's a big issue. Terrible security failure
But's that not really Mossad.
Same thing as 9/11. Poor communication among security agencies. Laziness. They had a sense, but 9 to 5ers. Politics. Bureaucracy. No imagination. A holiday.
And ultimately Israelis lost more than 1200 people because of their incompetence.
Meanwhile, it looks like Mossad got Saleh Arouri today. In Beirut. Very senior Hamas leader. And they got him without hurting any Lebanese.
After Munich - no, after the Holocaust and Eichmann - Israel made it pretty clear they will hunt. That's Mossad. Would feel a trifle nervous being a Hamas billionaire in Qatar.
Any senior Hamas figure will be hunted down wherever they try to hide in any country; Mossad will liquidate every last Hamas leader until the organization ceases to exist.
Which then really begs the question why they hadn’t don’t so in the past 18 years?
Anonymous wrote:Whoa. In the drone strike around Beirut, seven key Hamas members were eliminated. It is Unclear Who Is Responsible for the strike.
I have no idea who carried out the alleged attack in Beirut.
However, Mosad has indicated even if there is a ceasefire in Gaza, the leaders of Hamas will be hunted down and neutralized, no matter where they try to hide, anywhere on the planet.
Hamas will soon cease to exist. Count on that.
Assuming not the IDF or another Israeli entity unless someone can confirm that at least 14 women and children were also killed, with an additional 10-20 non-combatants missing in the rubble?
I am sure that Hamas would have said that these people were just innocently operating a school or flower shop or whatever if that was the case.
It sounds like 6 or 7 terrorists were eliminated. There have been strikes in Syria, Libya, and Iran (allegedly).
These are precisely the types of precise strikes Critics of Israel have said they wanted in lieu of the Ground War. Well, here it is (allegedly), folks and /or haters. So all those opposed to Hamas can say, job well done, Israel (allegedly).
This is good news.
Great news if the strike was as surgical as it sounds!
If it was surgical Israel did not do it. Surgical for the IDF is killing 500 elementary kids just for fun.
Yeah, well, maybe if the terrorists didn't implant a horcrux from Haniyeh or Singer in every elementary school kid in Gaza, Israel wouldn't be forced to drop 2,000 pound bombs on their playgrounds and NICU hospital units. /s
Every time you say that Hamas is hiding in the hospitals, in the “tunnels”, in the schools, etc, etc and drop 2,000 bomb made in the US there is never any evidence of Hamas just the bodies of thousands of children and women. The IDF and Israel are incapable of fighting Hamas. The IDF can only killing defenseless civilians. This is why Israel has no allies and never will.
DP. You're an idiot if you think civilians just "happen" to be there. Hamas is using its own citizens as human shields. Anyone believing Hamas isn't orchestrating the murder of its citizens is just beyond help. They are using the pictures of their dead people as propaganda, and you have fallen for it. Meanwhile, they make sure Palestinians have nowhere to hide. They are monsters and you are useful idiots.
lol a DCUM rando knows that and Israelis apparently do not since they keep on dropping bombs. Nope. It’s all deliberate.
Yes, Hamas deliberately lets Palestinians be killed by keeping them in areas they know will be targeted. But you - the quintessential DCUM rando - know that.
Anonymous wrote:A very rough day at the office for haters of Israel.
That’s the whole world now right?
No, obviously not. People of good faith understand the threat from the death cult terrorists Israel is fighting. Like just said, a Very Rough Day at the Office for Hamas.
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