School Segregation and the Boundary Issues

[Anonymous]

Listening to this piece on NPR this morning, I could not help thinking that this is the future of Deal/Wilson if we don't figure out how to get all parties to buy in.

She says in the interview that services follow white children. That happens here, today in Washington, DC.


Segregation Now: The Resegregation of America's Schools
by Nikole Hannah-Jones | @nhannahjones

In Tuscaloosa today, nearly one in three black students attends a school that looks as if Brown v. Board of Education never happened.

Read our first chapter on James Dent here.
And tune in tomorrow for Melissa's story or read the full text version now.
http://www.propublica.org/article/segregation-now-the-resegregation-of-americas-schools?utm_source=et&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=dailynewsletter

[Anonymous]

I don't think services follow white children in DC. They dont need them and the extras are (in my opinion correctly) directed elsewhere. Look at all the shiny new under-enrolled schools and per pupil spending outide of ward 3.

Extras at w3 schools come from parents not the city.

[Anonymous]

The real problem is income segregation. In DC it is all rich white people, all poor brown/black people. It's not like that everywhere. I think here we correlate success to race, but instead it's really success to SES.

[Anonymous]

Continuing, while relatively more is spent on kids in lower ses areas, it is not enough to level the playing field.

What would it cost to raise up a child from a single parent home living on govt assistancd in a rough neighborhood to the same grade level as a child with 2 PhD/MD/JD parents?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Continuing, while relatively more is spent on kids in lower ses areas, it is not enough to level the playing field.

What would it cost to raise up a child from a single parent home living on govt assistancd in a rough neighborhood to the same grade level as a child with 2 PhD/MD/JD parents?

I think we're focusing on the end issue instead of the root cause. Why are their single mothers? Are they working, able to find affordable day cares?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:The real problem is income segregation. In DC it is all rich white people, all poor brown/black people. It's not like that everywhere. I think here we correlate success to race, but instead it's really success to SES.

DC also has plenty of well-educated, high SES black folks. For some reason, they tend to get left out of the conversation frequently.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The real problem is income segregation. In DC it is all rich white people, all poor brown/black people. It's not like that everywhere. I think here we correlate success to race, but instead it's really success to SES.

DC also has plenty of well-educated, high SES black folks. For some reason, they tend to get left out of the conversation frequently.

I was just thinking the same thing. We actually have a much larger middle class African-American population than many other cities.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The real problem is income segregation. In DC it is all rich white people, all poor brown/black people. It's not like that everywhere. I think here we correlate success to race, but instead it's really success to SES.

DC also has plenty of well-educated, high SES black folks. For some reason, they tend to get left out of the conversation frequently.

Not sure about this, percentage-wise. We are a black PhD/MD couple living in Shepherd Park, where there are lots of this ilk here. However, many of our neighbors put their kids in privates, so not sure how well this demographic is represented in public schools? It may well be that public schools are more split along white & affluent vs. black/Latino & poor lines--I don't have the statistic in front of me though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The real problem is income segregation. In DC it is all rich white people, all poor brown/black people. It's not like that everywhere. I think here we correlate success to race, but instead it's really success to SES.

DC also has plenty of well-educated, high SES black folks. For some reason, they tend to get left out of the conversation frequently.

Not sure about this, percentage-wise. We are a black PhD/MD couple living in Shepherd Park, where there are lots of this ilk here. However, many of our neighbors put their kids in privates, so not sure how well this demographic is represented in public schools? It may well be that public schools are more split along white & affluent vs. black/Latino & poor lines--I don't have the statistic in front of me though.

Your own neighborhood school (though primarily OOB) is 79% black yet only 33% FARMS. Not all black students in this city are poor.

[Anonymous]

But the point is still the same. If the main poverty in the city is black/brown, people tend to think of it as a race issue. I think it's an SES issue.

My MIL is a social worker in a city that's pretty much 100% white and there's a lot of white poverty, white single moms, white people on welfare. They have the same exact issues that DC schools are trying to cope with, except without the racial issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The real problem is income segregation. In DC it is all rich white people, all poor brown/black people. It's not like that everywhere. I think here we correlate success to race, but instead it's really success to SES.

DC also has plenty of well-educated, high SES black folks. For some reason, they tend to get left out of the conversation frequently.

Not sure about this, percentage-wise. We are a black PhD/MD couple living in Shepherd Park, where there are lots of this ilk here. However, many of our neighbors put their kids in privates, so not sure how well this demographic is represented in public schools? It may well be that public schools are more split along white & affluent vs. black/Latino & poor lines--I don't have the statistic in front of me though.

Your own neighborhood school (though primarily OOB) is 79% black yet only 33% FARMS. Not all black students in this city are poor.

Yes, and Shepherd's test scores are a lot higher than many other EOTP schools--shows what can happen when race/ethnicity and SES are disentangled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The real problem is income segregation. In DC it is all rich white people, all poor brown/black people. It's not like that everywhere. I think here we correlate success to race, but instead it's really success to SES.

DC also has plenty of well-educated, high SES black folks. For some reason, they tend to get left out of the conversation frequently.

I was just thinking the same thing. We actually have a much larger middle class African-American population than many other cities.

+1. We are high HHI black family in Shepherd Park. Unfortunately, many high HHI blacks do go private. It is sad to see so many white WOTP residents fight tooth and nail to get us booted from Deal so Deal would become 100% white.

[Anonymous]

Re deal , the DME said someone needs to get booted, everyone is arguing it should be someone else. Wotp says not us because we are closer. Not a white/black thing. And don't pretend black parents wouldn't make exactly the same argument.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The real problem is income segregation. In DC it is all rich white people, all poor brown/black people. It's not like that everywhere. I think here we correlate success to race, but instead it's really success to SES.

DC also has plenty of well-educated, high SES black folks. For some reason, they tend to get left out of the conversation frequently.

Jesus, "all poor brown/black"??? The President of the United States is Black, if you didn't notice.

As long as you're being apocryphal, you could say "there are few poor white people in DC", and be closer to the mark.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The real problem is income segregation. In DC it is all rich white people, all poor brown/black people. It's not like that everywhere. I think here we correlate success to race, but instead it's really success to SES.

DC also has plenty of well-educated, high SES black folks. For some reason, they tend to get left out of the conversation frequently.

I was just thinking the same thing. We actually have a much larger middle class African-American population than many other cities.

+1. We are high HHI black family in Shepherd Park. Unfortunately, many high HHI blacks do go private. It is sad to see so many white WOTP residents fight tooth and nail to get us booted from Deal so Deal would become 100% white.

Other (first) Shepherd Park poster here. I'm not sure the sentiments expressed by some people on DCUM reflect those of all white WOTP residents? Even if it is reflective of how many feel, not sure it's necessarily a race thing for most people, if that's the implication here.

I can totally see the argument of WOTPers--if I bought a house 5 years ago down the street from, say, Murch, I would expect my kid to have a preference there over some other kid who lives (relatively) far away. If this expectation suddenly changed, I think it's valid that WOTPers would be upset.

I think the effect of this boundary discussion just pits us all against each other, which isn't helpful. It's a complicated issue; not sure what the right answer is--I certainly don't have it (sigh).