Gaza War, Part 3

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Look, there are almost 2 million Arabs living in Israel - about 20% of the country's population. And no one is proposing to throw them out. They are living there peacefully.

The Palestinians in Gaza WERE able to come and go when they had jobs in Israel or needed medical treatment, or all kinds of other things. But I don't know why you would think that it would ever make sense to fold Gaza into Israel. Who in the world would actually want that? You think the Palestinians who are angry to the point of rape and slaughter about Israel existing at all, want to live under Israeli rule?! You think this is a plan that should be proposed? "Hey, you keep saying 'from the river to the sea' and 'death to all Jews' - but wanna come join our country?"

I don't know why you think this is a gotcha.

Ah yes, the 2 million Arabs in Israel, the "1948 Arabs", the 20% of the total Arab population in 1948 that escaped deportation, Jewish militias or super-ardent Zionists who thought we no needo no Arabs in Eretz Israel, that ain't what good lord promised!

I'll leave the discussion of "nobody wants to throw them out" (guess what! some do!) or "they are completely equal to Israeli Jews!" (guess what! they aren't!) for another day. Better people than me have days jobs that focus exclusively on cataloguing that type of inequality. But a few facts for the readers:

"In the aftermath of the 1947–49 Palestine war, of the estimated 950,000 Arabs that lived in the territory that became Israel before the war, over 80% fled or were expelled and 20%, some 156,000, remained.[31] Arab citizens of Israel today are largely composed of the people who remained and their descendants. Others include some from the Gaza Strip and the West Bank who procured Israeli citizenship under family-unification provisions made significantly more stringent in the aftermath of the Second Intifada.[32]

While most Arabs remaining in Israel were granted citizenship, they were subject to martial law in the early years of the state.[33][34] Zionism had given little serious thought as to how to integrate Arabs, and according to Ian Lustick subsequent policies were 'implemented by a rigorous regime of military rule that dominated what remained of the Arab population in territory ruled by Israel, enabling the state to expropriate most Arab-owned land, severely limit its access to investment capital and employment opportunity, and eliminate virtually all opportunities to use citizenship as a vehicle for gaining political influence'.[35] Travel permits, curfews, administrative detentions, and expulsions were part of life until 1966.

I want to remind you that this discussion was brought on by the post lamenting "why can't Gazans integrate peacefully into Israeli society like other Arabs who live in Israel!" The "gotcha" part is that in fact, this integration, i.e. citizenship, has never, ever, ever been made available to ANY ARAB OUTSIDE OF "1948 ARABS, that is, the 20% that escaped deportation in 1948. Never since then. Not once.

Don't talk about being able to "come and go". Libraries can be filled with stories by the people whose lives were derailed by random rejections at checkpoints, inordinately long wait times, lost opportunities to travel, do business, receive an education, perform or play sports at the global stage.

How about Arabs in East Jerusalem and the Golan who are able to apply for citizenship?

You mean like my Palestinian relatives who are "citizens" of that "dEmOCracY" and live in E. Jerusalem? It's PALESTINIAN, not "Arab." Israelis are the ones with the made-up identity. They even erased Arab Jews (including Palestinian Jews) and call all of them "Mizrahi" because that's how despicable Zionism is. A racist ideology from Europe which destroyed PALESTINE and made all PALESTINIAN and other ARAB Jews erase their own identity to please their Ashkenazi interlopers, and then have the audacity to claim the Arab culture and the food is now "iSrAeli."

Well, you've been lied to about the equality. They're given different IDs and even license plates look different so they know it's not Jews in the car. Which is why my family who've been there forever (we've done DNA tests, so we know we're comprised of every 'invader,' not to mention I've laughably had a couple of Israelis here in the US hit on me in Hebrew thinking I was Israeli), are denied the access to certain roads, but an (alleged) rapist like Brett Ratner fleeing US prosecution, can just show up and on day one, gets to use that road which gets you to where you need to be within a few minutes while it takes my 80yo grandfather an hour if he's lucky (with nasty checkpoints along the way), to get to his destination.

It is a virulently racist oppressive country and the fact is that the US media has done everything to deny it for decades because it's no longer up for debate: When you have the likes of David Brooks (whose own son served w/ the IDF), Bret Stephens (who writes articles titled "The Diseased Arab Mind" BEFORE he even got hired by the NYT) and countless others who are unrelenting in their Zionism, but considered "American, unbiased media," then you know why it's my family who gets vilified by people like them who get to control the narrative and conditioned Americans for generations into believing israel "hAS a rIghT tO dEFenD iTsElF" against my grandfather trying to just go to places he was free to do as a child before some Long Island/Russian-born, arrogant, violent 20yo bully got to tell him he couldn't.

Social media has exposed the glaring hypocrisy of MSM and that's why the younger generation isn't "brainwashed" into believing Israel was spreading joy and then some evil Palestinians showed up and ruined all of that "peace." They see the word "killed" reserved for Israelis and "died" for Palestinians. They see the media and the govt simply taking the lies of israel as gospel.

The absolute nerve of some of you in denial about the barbarism, RAPE, torture of Zionist Jews showing up from Europe and they brought terrorism themselves. My God, you have actual documentaries w/ old Zionist Jewish men laughing and bragging about their depravity. Israelis have never been made to feel ashamed or vilified for what they did to STEAL Palestine and being the very reason a Hamas even exists. The pro-Israeli side gets away w/ the most disgusting language (and PROJECTION) about my people along w/ disgusting behavior -- which I know first-hand.

The most accurate quote for Israel and its arrogant, hypocritical defenders: Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing.

[Anonymous]

These protesters are going to get someone killed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Look, there are almost 2 million Arabs living in Israel - about 20% of the country's population. And no one is proposing to throw them out. They are living there peacefully.

The Palestinians in Gaza WERE able to come and go when they had jobs in Israel or needed medical treatment, or all kinds of other things. But I don't know why you would think that it would ever make sense to fold Gaza into Israel. Who in the world would actually want that? You think the Palestinians who are angry to the point of rape and slaughter about Israel existing at all, want to live under Israeli rule?! You think this is a plan that should be proposed? "Hey, you keep saying 'from the river to the sea' and 'death to all Jews' - but wanna come join our country?"

I don't know why you think this is a gotcha.

Ah yes, the 2 million Arabs in Israel, the "1948 Arabs", the 20% of the total Arab population in 1948 that escaped deportation, Jewish militias or super-ardent Zionists who thought we no needo no Arabs in Eretz Israel, that ain't what good lord promised!

I'll leave the discussion of "nobody wants to throw them out" (guess what! some do!) or "they are completely equal to Israeli Jews!" (guess what! they aren't!) for another day. Better people than me have days jobs that focus exclusively on cataloguing that type of inequality. But a few facts for the readers:

"In the aftermath of the 1947–49 Palestine war, of the estimated 950,000 Arabs that lived in the territory that became Israel before the war, over 80% fled or were expelled and 20%, some 156,000, remained.[31] Arab citizens of Israel today are largely composed of the people who remained and their descendants. Others include some from the Gaza Strip and the West Bank who procured Israeli citizenship under family-unification provisions made significantly more stringent in the aftermath of the Second Intifada.[32]

While most Arabs remaining in Israel were granted citizenship, they were subject to martial law in the early years of the state.[33][34] Zionism had given little serious thought as to how to integrate Arabs, and according to Ian Lustick subsequent policies were 'implemented by a rigorous regime of military rule that dominated what remained of the Arab population in territory ruled by Israel, enabling the state to expropriate most Arab-owned land, severely limit its access to investment capital and employment opportunity, and eliminate virtually all opportunities to use citizenship as a vehicle for gaining political influence'.[35] Travel permits, curfews, administrative detentions, and expulsions were part of life until 1966.

I want to remind you that this discussion was brought on by the post lamenting "why can't Gazans integrate peacefully into Israeli society like other Arabs who live in Israel!" The "gotcha" part is that in fact, this integration, i.e. citizenship, has never, ever, ever been made available to ANY ARAB OUTSIDE OF "1948 ARABS, that is, the 20% that escaped deportation in 1948. Never since then. Not once.

Don't talk about being able to "come and go". Libraries can be filled with stories by the people whose lives were derailed by random rejections at checkpoints, inordinately long wait times, lost opportunities to travel, do business, receive an education, perform or play sports at the global stage.

How about Arabs in East Jerusalem and the Golan who are able to apply for citizenship?

You mean like my Palestinian relatives who are "citizens" of that "dEmOCracY" and live in E. Jerusalem? It's PALESTINIAN, not "Arab." Israelis are the ones with the made-up identity. They even erased Arab Jews (including Palestinian Jews) and call all of them "Mizrahi" because that's how despicable Zionism is. A racist ideology from Europe which destroyed PALESTINE and made all PALESTINIAN and other ARAB Jews erase their own identity to please their Ashkenazi interlopers, and then have the audacity to claim the Arab culture and the food is now "iSrAeli."

Well, you've been lied to about the equality. They're given different IDs and even license plates look different so they know it's not Jews in the car. Which is why my family who've been there forever (we've done DNA tests, so we know we're comprised of every 'invader,' not to mention I've laughably had a couple of Israelis here in the US hit on me in Hebrew thinking I was Israeli), are denied the access to certain roads, but an (alleged) rapist like Brett Ratner fleeing US prosecution, can just show up and on day one, gets to use that road which gets you to where you need to be within a few minutes while it takes my 80yo grandfather an hour if he's lucky (with nasty checkpoints along the way), to get to his destination.

It is a virulently racist oppressive country and the fact is that the US media has done everything to deny it for decades because it's no longer up for debate: When you have the likes of David Brooks (whose own son served w/ the IDF), Bret Stephens (who writes articles titled "The Diseased Arab Mind" BEFORE he even got hired by the NYT) and countless others who are unrelenting in their Zionism, but considered "American, unbiased media," then you know why it's my family who gets vilified by people like them who get to control the narrative and conditioned Americans for generations into believing israel "hAS a rIghT tO dEFenD iTsElF" against my grandfather trying to just go to places he was free to do as a child before some Long Island/Russian-born, arrogant, violent 20yo bully got to tell him he couldn't.

Social media has exposed the glaring hypocrisy of MSM and that's why the younger generation isn't "brainwashed" into believing Israel was spreading joy and then some evil Palestinians showed up and ruined all of that "peace." They see the word "killed" reserved for Israelis and "died" for Palestinians. They see the media and the govt simply taking the lies of israel as gospel.

The absolute nerve of some of you in denial about the barbarism, RAPE, torture of Zionist Jews showing up from Europe and they brought terrorism themselves. My God, you have actual documentaries w/ old Zionist Jewish men laughing and bragging about their depravity. Israelis have never been made to feel ashamed or vilified for what they did to STEAL Palestine and being the very reason a Hamas even exists. The pro-Israeli side gets away w/ the most disgusting language (and PROJECTION) about my people along w/ disgusting behavior -- which I know first-hand.

The most accurate quote for Israel and its arrogant, hypocritical defenders: Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing.

Thank you for your post. I am sure some with dismiss it because of the crazy capitalization (not sure why you did that?), but I hope they do read it and pay attention to the fact that you are commenting with knowledge from your Palestinian relatives' experience.

I would also add on the following quote from a local group email chat my community is having: "If the price of peace with the Palestinians is that Israel must change, that is not antisemitic."

Israel's restrictions and retaliatory killings of Palestinians has only led to more violence. I think Israel needs to try another approach and the US should make it's funding contingent on a new approach.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Look, there are almost 2 million Arabs living in Israel - about 20% of the country's population. And no one is proposing to throw them out. They are living there peacefully.

The Palestinians in Gaza WERE able to come and go when they had jobs in Israel or needed medical treatment, or all kinds of other things. But I don't know why you would think that it would ever make sense to fold Gaza into Israel. Who in the world would actually want that? You think the Palestinians who are angry to the point of rape and slaughter about Israel existing at all, want to live under Israeli rule?! You think this is a plan that should be proposed? "Hey, you keep saying 'from the river to the sea' and 'death to all Jews' - but wanna come join our country?"

I don't know why you think this is a gotcha.

Ah yes, the 2 million Arabs in Israel, the "1948 Arabs", the 20% of the total Arab population in 1948 that escaped deportation, Jewish militias or super-ardent Zionists who thought we no needo no Arabs in Eretz Israel, that ain't what good lord promised!

I'll leave the discussion of "nobody wants to throw them out" (guess what! some do!) or "they are completely equal to Israeli Jews!" (guess what! they aren't!) for another day. Better people than me have days jobs that focus exclusively on cataloguing that type of inequality. But a few facts for the readers:

"In the aftermath of the 1947–49 Palestine war, of the estimated 950,000 Arabs that lived in the territory that became Israel before the war, over 80% fled or were expelled and 20%, some 156,000, remained.[31] Arab citizens of Israel today are largely composed of the people who remained and their descendants. Others include some from the Gaza Strip and the West Bank who procured Israeli citizenship under family-unification provisions made significantly more stringent in the aftermath of the Second Intifada.[32]

While most Arabs remaining in Israel were granted citizenship, they were subject to martial law in the early years of the state.[33][34] Zionism had given little serious thought as to how to integrate Arabs, and according to Ian Lustick subsequent policies were 'implemented by a rigorous regime of military rule that dominated what remained of the Arab population in territory ruled by Israel, enabling the state to expropriate most Arab-owned land, severely limit its access to investment capital and employment opportunity, and eliminate virtually all opportunities to use citizenship as a vehicle for gaining political influence'.[35] Travel permits, curfews, administrative detentions, and expulsions were part of life until 1966.

I want to remind you that this discussion was brought on by the post lamenting "why can't Gazans integrate peacefully into Israeli society like other Arabs who live in Israel!" The "gotcha" part is that in fact, this integration, i.e. citizenship, has never, ever, ever been made available to ANY ARAB OUTSIDE OF "1948 ARABS, that is, the 20% that escaped deportation in 1948. Never since then. Not once.

Don't talk about being able to "come and go". Libraries can be filled with stories by the people whose lives were derailed by random rejections at checkpoints, inordinately long wait times, lost opportunities to travel, do business, receive an education, perform or play sports at the global stage.

How about Arabs in East Jerusalem and the Golan who are able to apply for citizenship?

You mean like my Palestinian relatives who are "citizens" of that "dEmOCracY" and live in E. Jerusalem? It's PALESTINIAN, not "Arab." Israelis are the ones with the made-up identity. They even erased Arab Jews (including Palestinian Jews) and call all of them "Mizrahi" because that's how despicable Zionism is. A racist ideology from Europe which destroyed PALESTINE and made all PALESTINIAN and other ARAB Jews erase their own identity to please their Ashkenazi interlopers, and then have the audacity to claim the Arab culture and the food is now "iSrAeli."

Well, you've been lied to about the equality. They're given different IDs and even license plates look different so they know it's not Jews in the car. Which is why my family who've been there forever (we've done DNA tests, so we know we're comprised of every 'invader,' not to mention I've laughably had a couple of Israelis here in the US hit on me in Hebrew thinking I was Israeli), are denied the access to certain roads, but an (alleged) rapist like Brett Ratner fleeing US prosecution, can just show up and on day one, gets to use that road which gets you to where you need to be within a few minutes while it takes my 80yo grandfather an hour if he's lucky (with nasty checkpoints along the way), to get to his destination.

It is a virulently racist oppressive country and the fact is that the US media has done everything to deny it for decades because it's no longer up for debate: When you have the likes of David Brooks (whose own son served w/ the IDF), Bret Stephens (who writes articles titled "The Diseased Arab Mind" BEFORE he even got hired by the NYT) and countless others who are unrelenting in their Zionism, but considered "American, unbiased media," then you know why it's my family who gets vilified by people like them who get to control the narrative and conditioned Americans for generations into believing israel "hAS a rIghT tO dEFenD iTsElF" against my grandfather trying to just go to places he was free to do as a child before some Long Island/Russian-born, arrogant, violent 20yo bully got to tell him he couldn't.

Social media has exposed the glaring hypocrisy of MSM and that's why the younger generation isn't "brainwashed" into believing Israel was spreading joy and then some evil Palestinians showed up and ruined all of that "peace." They see the word "killed" reserved for Israelis and "died" for Palestinians. They see the media and the govt simply taking the lies of israel as gospel.

The absolute nerve of some of you in denial about the barbarism, RAPE, torture of Zionist Jews showing up from Europe and they brought terrorism themselves. My God, you have actual documentaries w/ old Zionist Jewish men laughing and bragging about their depravity. Israelis have never been made to feel ashamed or vilified for what they did to STEAL Palestine and being the very reason a Hamas even exists. The pro-Israeli side gets away w/ the most disgusting language (and PROJECTION) about my people along w/ disgusting behavior -- which I know first-hand.

The most accurate quote for Israel and its arrogant, hypocritical defenders: Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing.

Thank you for your post. I am sure some with dismiss it because of the crazy capitalization (not sure why you did that?), but I hope they do read it and pay attention to the fact that you are commenting with knowledge from your Palestinian relatives' experience.

I would also add on the following quote from a local group email chat my community is having: "If the price of peace with the Palestinians is that Israel must change, that is not antisemitic."

Israel's restrictions and retaliatory killings of Palestinians has only led to more violence. I think Israel needs to try another approach and the US should make it's funding contingent on a new approach.

Everything PP posted has been known for years now. No one cares. We will continue to support Israel and explain away their actions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Look, there are almost 2 million Arabs living in Israel - about 20% of the country's population. And no one is proposing to throw them out. They are living there peacefully.

The Palestinians in Gaza WERE able to come and go when they had jobs in Israel or needed medical treatment, or all kinds of other things. But I don't know why you would think that it would ever make sense to fold Gaza into Israel. Who in the world would actually want that? You think the Palestinians who are angry to the point of rape and slaughter about Israel existing at all, want to live under Israeli rule?! You think this is a plan that should be proposed? "Hey, you keep saying 'from the river to the sea' and 'death to all Jews' - but wanna come join our country?"

I don't know why you think this is a gotcha.

Ah yes, the 2 million Arabs in Israel, the "1948 Arabs", the 20% of the total Arab population in 1948 that escaped deportation, Jewish militias or super-ardent Zionists who thought we no needo no Arabs in Eretz Israel, that ain't what good lord promised!

I'll leave the discussion of "nobody wants to throw them out" (guess what! some do!) or "they are completely equal to Israeli Jews!" (guess what! they aren't!) for another day. Better people than me have days jobs that focus exclusively on cataloguing that type of inequality. But a few facts for the readers:

"In the aftermath of the 1947–49 Palestine war, of the estimated 950,000 Arabs that lived in the territory that became Israel before the war, over 80% fled or were expelled and 20%, some 156,000, remained.[31] Arab citizens of Israel today are largely composed of the people who remained and their descendants. Others include some from the Gaza Strip and the West Bank who procured Israeli citizenship under family-unification provisions made significantly more stringent in the aftermath of the Second Intifada.[32]

While most Arabs remaining in Israel were granted citizenship, they were subject to martial law in the early years of the state.[33][34] Zionism had given little serious thought as to how to integrate Arabs, and according to Ian Lustick subsequent policies were 'implemented by a rigorous regime of military rule that dominated what remained of the Arab population in territory ruled by Israel, enabling the state to expropriate most Arab-owned land, severely limit its access to investment capital and employment opportunity, and eliminate virtually all opportunities to use citizenship as a vehicle for gaining political influence'.[35] Travel permits, curfews, administrative detentions, and expulsions were part of life until 1966.

I want to remind you that this discussion was brought on by the post lamenting "why can't Gazans integrate peacefully into Israeli society like other Arabs who live in Israel!" The "gotcha" part is that in fact, this integration, i.e. citizenship, has never, ever, ever been made available to ANY ARAB OUTSIDE OF "1948 ARABS, that is, the 20% that escaped deportation in 1948. Never since then. Not once.

Don't talk about being able to "come and go". Libraries can be filled with stories by the people whose lives were derailed by random rejections at checkpoints, inordinately long wait times, lost opportunities to travel, do business, receive an education, perform or play sports at the global stage.

How about Arabs in East Jerusalem and the Golan who are able to apply for citizenship?

You mean like my Palestinian relatives who are "citizens" of that "dEmOCracY" and live in E. Jerusalem? It's PALESTINIAN, not "Arab." Israelis are the ones with the made-up identity. They even erased Arab Jews (including Palestinian Jews) and call all of them "Mizrahi" because that's how despicable Zionism is. A racist ideology from Europe which destroyed PALESTINE and made all PALESTINIAN and other ARAB Jews erase their own identity to please their Ashkenazi interlopers, and then have the audacity to claim the Arab culture and the food is now "iSrAeli."

Well, you've been lied to about the equality. They're given different IDs and even license plates look different so they know it's not Jews in the car. Which is why my family who've been there forever (we've done DNA tests, so we know we're comprised of every 'invader,' not to mention I've laughably had a couple of Israelis here in the US hit on me in Hebrew thinking I was Israeli), are denied the access to certain roads, but an (alleged) rapist like Brett Ratner fleeing US prosecution, can just show up and on day one, gets to use that road which gets you to where you need to be within a few minutes while it takes my 80yo grandfather an hour if he's lucky (with nasty checkpoints along the way), to get to his destination.

It is a virulently racist oppressive country and the fact is that the US media has done everything to deny it for decades because it's no longer up for debate: When you have the likes of David Brooks (whose own son served w/ the IDF), Bret Stephens (who writes articles titled "The Diseased Arab Mind" BEFORE he even got hired by the NYT) and countless others who are unrelenting in their Zionism, but considered "American, unbiased media," then you know why it's my family who gets vilified by people like them who get to control the narrative and conditioned Americans for generations into believing israel "hAS a rIghT tO dEFenD iTsElF" against my grandfather trying to just go to places he was free to do as a child before some Long Island/Russian-born, arrogant, violent 20yo bully got to tell him he couldn't.

Social media has exposed the glaring hypocrisy of MSM and that's why the younger generation isn't "brainwashed" into believing Israel was spreading joy and then some evil Palestinians showed up and ruined all of that "peace." They see the word "killed" reserved for Israelis and "died" for Palestinians. They see the media and the govt simply taking the lies of israel as gospel.

The absolute nerve of some of you in denial about the barbarism, RAPE, torture of Zionist Jews showing up from Europe and they brought terrorism themselves. My God, you have actual documentaries w/ old Zionist Jewish men laughing and bragging about their depravity. Israelis have never been made to feel ashamed or vilified for what they did to STEAL Palestine and being the very reason a Hamas even exists. The pro-Israeli side gets away w/ the most disgusting language (and PROJECTION) about my people along w/ disgusting behavior -- which I know first-hand.

The most accurate quote for Israel and its arrogant, hypocritical defenders: Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing.

Wait, so now you are not Arabs? Mozarabic is a term that encompasses all Jews from the ME and N Africa has nothing to do with Palestine. So you are claiming that Israeli Arabs are driving on different roads and have different license plates? Or, is it people who live in East Jerusalem? Maybe Israel should take over East Jerusalem and incorporate everyone into Israel. Give everyone Israeli citizenship. Is that what you want?

[Anonymous]

Adil Mismah eliminated!

The IDF neutralized a main terrorist leader who planned and lead the terrorist attack against Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Look, there are almost 2 million Arabs living in Israel - about 20% of the country's population. And no one is proposing to throw them out. They are living there peacefully.

The Palestinians in Gaza WERE able to come and go when they had jobs in Israel or needed medical treatment, or all kinds of other things. But I don't know why you would think that it would ever make sense to fold Gaza into Israel. Who in the world would actually want that? You think the Palestinians who are angry to the point of rape and slaughter about Israel existing at all, want to live under Israeli rule?! You think this is a plan that should be proposed? "Hey, you keep saying 'from the river to the sea' and 'death to all Jews' - but wanna come join our country?"

I don't know why you think this is a gotcha.

Ah yes, the 2 million Arabs in Israel, the "1948 Arabs", the 20% of the total Arab population in 1948 that escaped deportation, Jewish militias or super-ardent Zionists who thought we no needo no Arabs in Eretz Israel, that ain't what good lord promised!

I'll leave the discussion of "nobody wants to throw them out" (guess what! some do!) or "they are completely equal to Israeli Jews!" (guess what! they aren't!) for another day. Better people than me have days jobs that focus exclusively on cataloguing that type of inequality. But a few facts for the readers:

"In the aftermath of the 1947–49 Palestine war, of the estimated 950,000 Arabs that lived in the territory that became Israel before the war, over 80% fled or were expelled and 20%, some 156,000, remained.[31] Arab citizens of Israel today are largely composed of the people who remained and their descendants. Others include some from the Gaza Strip and the West Bank who procured Israeli citizenship under family-unification provisions made significantly more stringent in the aftermath of the Second Intifada.[32]

While most Arabs remaining in Israel were granted citizenship, they were subject to martial law in the early years of the state.[33][34] Zionism had given little serious thought as to how to integrate Arabs, and according to Ian Lustick subsequent policies were 'implemented by a rigorous regime of military rule that dominated what remained of the Arab population in territory ruled by Israel, enabling the state to expropriate most Arab-owned land, severely limit its access to investment capital and employment opportunity, and eliminate virtually all opportunities to use citizenship as a vehicle for gaining political influence'.[35] Travel permits, curfews, administrative detentions, and expulsions were part of life until 1966.

I want to remind you that this discussion was brought on by the post lamenting "why can't Gazans integrate peacefully into Israeli society like other Arabs who live in Israel!" The "gotcha" part is that in fact, this integration, i.e. citizenship, has never, ever, ever been made available to ANY ARAB OUTSIDE OF "1948 ARABS, that is, the 20% that escaped deportation in 1948. Never since then. Not once.

Don't talk about being able to "come and go". Libraries can be filled with stories by the people whose lives were derailed by random rejections at checkpoints, inordinately long wait times, lost opportunities to travel, do business, receive an education, perform or play sports at the global stage.

How about Arabs in East Jerusalem and the Golan who are able to apply for citizenship?

You mean like my Palestinian relatives who are "citizens" of that "dEmOCracY" and live in E. Jerusalem? It's PALESTINIAN, not "Arab." Israelis are the ones with the made-up identity. They even erased Arab Jews (including Palestinian Jews) and call all of them "Mizrahi" because that's how despicable Zionism is. A racist ideology from Europe which destroyed PALESTINE and made all PALESTINIAN and other ARAB Jews erase their own identity to please their Ashkenazi interlopers, and then have the audacity to claim the Arab culture and the food is now "iSrAeli."

Well, you've been lied to about the equality. They're given different IDs and even license plates look different so they know it's not Jews in the car. Which is why my family who've been there forever (we've done DNA tests, so we know we're comprised of every 'invader,' not to mention I've laughably had a couple of Israelis here in the US hit on me in Hebrew thinking I was Israeli), are denied the access to certain roads, but an (alleged) rapist like Brett Ratner fleeing US prosecution, can just show up and on day one, gets to use that road which gets you to where you need to be within a few minutes while it takes my 80yo grandfather an hour if he's lucky (with nasty checkpoints along the way), to get to his destination.

It is a virulently racist oppressive country and the fact is that the US media has done everything to deny it for decades because it's no longer up for debate: When you have the likes of David Brooks (whose own son served w/ the IDF), Bret Stephens (who writes articles titled "The Diseased Arab Mind" BEFORE he even got hired by the NYT) and countless others who are unrelenting in their Zionism, but considered "American, unbiased media," then you know why it's my family who gets vilified by people like them who get to control the narrative and conditioned Americans for generations into believing israel "hAS a rIghT tO dEFenD iTsElF" against my grandfather trying to just go to places he was free to do as a child before some Long Island/Russian-born, arrogant, violent 20yo bully got to tell him he couldn't.

Social media has exposed the glaring hypocrisy of MSM and that's why the younger generation isn't "brainwashed" into believing Israel was spreading joy and then some evil Palestinians showed up and ruined all of that "peace." They see the word "killed" reserved for Israelis and "died" for Palestinians. They see the media and the govt simply taking the lies of israel as gospel.

The absolute nerve of some of you in denial about the barbarism, RAPE, torture of Zionist Jews showing up from Europe and they brought terrorism themselves. My God, you have actual documentaries w/ old Zionist Jewish men laughing and bragging about their depravity. Israelis have never been made to feel ashamed or vilified for what they did to STEAL Palestine and being the very reason a Hamas even exists. The pro-Israeli side gets away w/ the most disgusting language (and PROJECTION) about my people along w/ disgusting behavior -- which I know first-hand.

The most accurate quote for Israel and its arrogant, hypocritical defenders: Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing.

This! And yes, I’ve lived there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Look, there are almost 2 million Arabs living in Israel - about 20% of the country's population. And no one is proposing to throw them out. They are living there peacefully.

The Palestinians in Gaza WERE able to come and go when they had jobs in Israel or needed medical treatment, or all kinds of other things. But I don't know why you would think that it would ever make sense to fold Gaza into Israel. Who in the world would actually want that? You think the Palestinians who are angry to the point of rape and slaughter about Israel existing at all, want to live under Israeli rule?! You think this is a plan that should be proposed? "Hey, you keep saying 'from the river to the sea' and 'death to all Jews' - but wanna come join our country?"

I don't know why you think this is a gotcha.

Ah yes, the 2 million Arabs in Israel, the "1948 Arabs", the 20% of the total Arab population in 1948 that escaped deportation, Jewish militias or super-ardent Zionists who thought we no needo no Arabs in Eretz Israel, that ain't what good lord promised!

I'll leave the discussion of "nobody wants to throw them out" (guess what! some do!) or "they are completely equal to Israeli Jews!" (guess what! they aren't!) for another day. Better people than me have days jobs that focus exclusively on cataloguing that type of inequality. But a few facts for the readers:

"In the aftermath of the 1947–49 Palestine war, of the estimated 950,000 Arabs that lived in the territory that became Israel before the war, over 80% fled or were expelled and 20%, some 156,000, remained.[31] Arab citizens of Israel today are largely composed of the people who remained and their descendants. Others include some from the Gaza Strip and the West Bank who procured Israeli citizenship under family-unification provisions made significantly more stringent in the aftermath of the Second Intifada.[32]

While most Arabs remaining in Israel were granted citizenship, they were subject to martial law in the early years of the state.[33][34] Zionism had given little serious thought as to how to integrate Arabs, and according to Ian Lustick subsequent policies were 'implemented by a rigorous regime of military rule that dominated what remained of the Arab population in territory ruled by Israel, enabling the state to expropriate most Arab-owned land, severely limit its access to investment capital and employment opportunity, and eliminate virtually all opportunities to use citizenship as a vehicle for gaining political influence'.[35] Travel permits, curfews, administrative detentions, and expulsions were part of life until 1966.

I want to remind you that this discussion was brought on by the post lamenting "why can't Gazans integrate peacefully into Israeli society like other Arabs who live in Israel!" The "gotcha" part is that in fact, this integration, i.e. citizenship, has never, ever, ever been made available to ANY ARAB OUTSIDE OF "1948 ARABS, that is, the 20% that escaped deportation in 1948. Never since then. Not once.

Don't talk about being able to "come and go". Libraries can be filled with stories by the people whose lives were derailed by random rejections at checkpoints, inordinately long wait times, lost opportunities to travel, do business, receive an education, perform or play sports at the global stage.

How about Arabs in East Jerusalem and the Golan who are able to apply for citizenship?

You mean like my Palestinian relatives who are "citizens" of that "dEmOCracY" and live in E. Jerusalem? It's PALESTINIAN, not "Arab." Israelis are the ones with the made-up identity. They even erased Arab Jews (including Palestinian Jews) and call all of them "Mizrahi" because that's how despicable Zionism is. A racist ideology from Europe which destroyed PALESTINE and made all PALESTINIAN and other ARAB Jews erase their own identity to please their Ashkenazi interlopers, and then have the audacity to claim the Arab culture and the food is now "iSrAeli."

Well, you've been lied to about the equality. They're given different IDs and even license plates look different so they know it's not Jews in the car. Which is why my family who've been there forever (we've done DNA tests, so we know we're comprised of every 'invader,' not to mention I've laughably had a couple of Israelis here in the US hit on me in Hebrew thinking I was Israeli), are denied the access to certain roads, but an (alleged) rapist like Brett Ratner fleeing US prosecution, can just show up and on day one, gets to use that road which gets you to where you need to be within a few minutes while it takes my 80yo grandfather an hour if he's lucky (with nasty checkpoints along the way), to get to his destination.

It is a virulently racist oppressive country and the fact is that the US media has done everything to deny it for decades because it's no longer up for debate: When you have the likes of David Brooks (whose own son served w/ the IDF), Bret Stephens (who writes articles titled "The Diseased Arab Mind" BEFORE he even got hired by the NYT) and countless others who are unrelenting in their Zionism, but considered "American, unbiased media," then you know why it's my family who gets vilified by people like them who get to control the narrative and conditioned Americans for generations into believing israel "hAS a rIghT tO dEFenD iTsElF" against my grandfather trying to just go to places he was free to do as a child before some Long Island/Russian-born, arrogant, violent 20yo bully got to tell him he couldn't.

Social media has exposed the glaring hypocrisy of MSM and that's why the younger generation isn't "brainwashed" into believing Israel was spreading joy and then some evil Palestinians showed up and ruined all of that "peace." They see the word "killed" reserved for Israelis and "died" for Palestinians. They see the media and the govt simply taking the lies of israel as gospel.

The absolute nerve of some of you in denial about the barbarism, RAPE, torture of Zionist Jews showing up from Europe and they brought terrorism themselves. My God, you have actual documentaries w/ old Zionist Jewish men laughing and bragging about their depravity. Israelis have never been made to feel ashamed or vilified for what they did to STEAL Palestine and being the very reason a Hamas even exists. The pro-Israeli side gets away w/ the most disgusting language (and PROJECTION) about my people along w/ disgusting behavior -- which I know first-hand.

The most accurate quote for Israel and its arrogant, hypocritical defenders: Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing.

History and DNA disagree with most of your ranting. Ashkenazi Jews do in fact have strong DNA ties to the region and countless historical documents corroborate how Jews were chased out of their homeland of Judea and repeatedly persecuted and chased from country to country, ending up in Europe. But here you are denying all of that. Do you also deny that the holocaust happened?

And likewise, history also shows that many of the Muslim Palestinians do indeed descend from Arabs who came into the area with the spread of Islam. You also deny many other aspects of the history of Palestine. You act as if Israelis just showed up in 1947 and stole the land. That is not at all the case. It was a deal made by the UK, who controlled the land ever since WWI, when the Ottomans lost control of it. The previous rulers of Palestine fought a war, and lost. And this was followed by many others who tried attacking Israel and exterminating Jews throughout the 1940s, 1950s, 1960s and so on. Arabs attacked, Jews defended, Arabs lost. Over and over. Yet the whole basis for Arab dominance in the region was because of conquest in the first place. Legitimate for Arabs to do it, but not for anyone else?

You want to yammer about what's disgusting, what's arrogant, what's hypocritical yet you are completely oblivious to all that is disgusting, arrogant and hypocritical in what you yourself post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Adil Mismah eliminated!

The IDF neutralized a main terrorist leader who planned and lead the terrorist attack against Israel.

Excellent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Look, there are almost 2 million Arabs living in Israel - about 20% of the country's population. And no one is proposing to throw them out. They are living there peacefully.

The Palestinians in Gaza WERE able to come and go when they had jobs in Israel or needed medical treatment, or all kinds of other things. But I don't know why you would think that it would ever make sense to fold Gaza into Israel. Who in the world would actually want that? You think the Palestinians who are angry to the point of rape and slaughter about Israel existing at all, want to live under Israeli rule?! You think this is a plan that should be proposed? "Hey, you keep saying 'from the river to the sea' and 'death to all Jews' - but wanna come join our country?"

I don't know why you think this is a gotcha.

Ah yes, the 2 million Arabs in Israel, the "1948 Arabs", the 20% of the total Arab population in 1948 that escaped deportation, Jewish militias or super-ardent Zionists who thought we no needo no Arabs in Eretz Israel, that ain't what good lord promised!

I'll leave the discussion of "nobody wants to throw them out" (guess what! some do!) or "they are completely equal to Israeli Jews!" (guess what! they aren't!) for another day. Better people than me have days jobs that focus exclusively on cataloguing that type of inequality. But a few facts for the readers:

"In the aftermath of the 1947–49 Palestine war, of the estimated 950,000 Arabs that lived in the territory that became Israel before the war, over 80% fled or were expelled and 20%, some 156,000, remained.[31] Arab citizens of Israel today are largely composed of the people who remained and their descendants. Others include some from the Gaza Strip and the West Bank who procured Israeli citizenship under family-unification provisions made significantly more stringent in the aftermath of the Second Intifada.[32]

While most Arabs remaining in Israel were granted citizenship, they were subject to martial law in the early years of the state.[33][34] Zionism had given little serious thought as to how to integrate Arabs, and according to Ian Lustick subsequent policies were 'implemented by a rigorous regime of military rule that dominated what remained of the Arab population in territory ruled by Israel, enabling the state to expropriate most Arab-owned land, severely limit its access to investment capital and employment opportunity, and eliminate virtually all opportunities to use citizenship as a vehicle for gaining political influence'.[35] Travel permits, curfews, administrative detentions, and expulsions were part of life until 1966.

I want to remind you that this discussion was brought on by the post lamenting "why can't Gazans integrate peacefully into Israeli society like other Arabs who live in Israel!" The "gotcha" part is that in fact, this integration, i.e. citizenship, has never, ever, ever been made available to ANY ARAB OUTSIDE OF "1948 ARABS, that is, the 20% that escaped deportation in 1948. Never since then. Not once.

Don't talk about being able to "come and go". Libraries can be filled with stories by the people whose lives were derailed by random rejections at checkpoints, inordinately long wait times, lost opportunities to travel, do business, receive an education, perform or play sports at the global stage.

How about Arabs in East Jerusalem and the Golan who are able to apply for citizenship?

yes how about them?

Just 5 Percent of E. Jerusalem Palestinians Have Received Israeli Citizenship Since 1967
Since 1967, over 14,000 Palestinians living in East Jerusalem have had their residency status revoked, something that cannot be done to citizens
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-05-29/ty-article/why-so-few-palestinians-from-jerusalem-have-israeli-citizenship/00000181-0c46-d090-abe1-ed7fefc20000

The lack of Israeli citizenship has many implications. Without it, East Jerusalem Palestinians cannot vote in Israeli legislative elections or obtain an Israeli passport. To travel abroad they must apply for a temporary travel document (laissez passer). Some jobs are not open to non-citizens. Most importantly, their residency status can be revoked, unlike citizens. This has happened to over 14,000 Palestinians since 1967, mostly due to information showing that the center of their life was not in Jerusalem. With the loss of resident status, they lose their health insurance, livelihood and even the right to enter Jerusalem.

Over the years, the Interior Ministry has given various and sundry reasons for denying citizenship to Palestinians. This includes a family member owning land or having an electricity bill in the West Bank, or a failed short Hebrew test, or a small criminal file that was closed years ago. In one case, a person was denied because his wife, who is an Israeli citizen, published a post that mentioned the Nakba. Another person was denied because their social media profile photo showed a Palestinian flag, even though there was an Israeli flag alongside it. For many years, the ministry ignored a clause making the process easier by allowing for an expedited process for people under 21, denying applications made on the basis of this clause.

Just proves that your assertion that only those who remained after 1948 were able to get citizenship is wrong and your “has never ever been available” is also wrong.

Just proves that you have zero understanding of context surrounding the so-called "eligibility" of East Jerusalemites.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Adil Mismah eliminated!

The IDF neutralized a main terrorist leader who planned and lead the terrorist attack against Israel.

Good! The man was a villainous mass murderer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Look, there are almost 2 million Arabs living in Israel - about 20% of the country's population. And no one is proposing to throw them out. They are living there peacefully.

The Palestinians in Gaza WERE able to come and go when they had jobs in Israel or needed medical treatment, or all kinds of other things. But I don't know why you would think that it would ever make sense to fold Gaza into Israel. Who in the world would actually want that? You think the Palestinians who are angry to the point of rape and slaughter about Israel existing at all, want to live under Israeli rule?! You think this is a plan that should be proposed? "Hey, you keep saying 'from the river to the sea' and 'death to all Jews' - but wanna come join our country?"

I don't know why you think this is a gotcha.

Ah yes, the 2 million Arabs in Israel, the "1948 Arabs", the 20% of the total Arab population in 1948 that escaped deportation, Jewish militias or super-ardent Zionists who thought we no needo no Arabs in Eretz Israel, that ain't what good lord promised!

I'll leave the discussion of "nobody wants to throw them out" (guess what! some do!) or "they are completely equal to Israeli Jews!" (guess what! they aren't!) for another day. Better people than me have days jobs that focus exclusively on cataloguing that type of inequality. But a few facts for the readers:

"In the aftermath of the 1947–49 Palestine war, of the estimated 950,000 Arabs that lived in the territory that became Israel before the war, over 80% fled or were expelled and 20%, some 156,000, remained.[31] Arab citizens of Israel today are largely composed of the people who remained and their descendants. Others include some from the Gaza Strip and the West Bank who procured Israeli citizenship under family-unification provisions made significantly more stringent in the aftermath of the Second Intifada.[32]

While most Arabs remaining in Israel were granted citizenship, they were subject to martial law in the early years of the state.[33][34] Zionism had given little serious thought as to how to integrate Arabs, and according to Ian Lustick subsequent policies were 'implemented by a rigorous regime of military rule that dominated what remained of the Arab population in territory ruled by Israel, enabling the state to expropriate most Arab-owned land, severely limit its access to investment capital and employment opportunity, and eliminate virtually all opportunities to use citizenship as a vehicle for gaining political influence'.[35] Travel permits, curfews, administrative detentions, and expulsions were part of life until 1966.

I want to remind you that this discussion was brought on by the post lamenting "why can't Gazans integrate peacefully into Israeli society like other Arabs who live in Israel!" The "gotcha" part is that in fact, this integration, i.e. citizenship, has never, ever, ever been made available to ANY ARAB OUTSIDE OF "1948 ARABS, that is, the 20% that escaped deportation in 1948. Never since then. Not once.

Don't talk about being able to "come and go". Libraries can be filled with stories by the people whose lives were derailed by random rejections at checkpoints, inordinately long wait times, lost opportunities to travel, do business, receive an education, perform or play sports at the global stage.

How about Arabs in East Jerusalem and the Golan who are able to apply for citizenship?

yes how about them?

Just 5 Percent of E. Jerusalem Palestinians Have Received Israeli Citizenship Since 1967
Since 1967, over 14,000 Palestinians living in East Jerusalem have had their residency status revoked, something that cannot be done to citizens
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-05-29/ty-article/why-so-few-palestinians-from-jerusalem-have-israeli-citizenship/00000181-0c46-d090-abe1-ed7fefc20000

The lack of Israeli citizenship has many implications. Without it, East Jerusalem Palestinians cannot vote in Israeli legislative elections or obtain an Israeli passport. To travel abroad they must apply for a temporary travel document (laissez passer). Some jobs are not open to non-citizens. Most importantly, their residency status can be revoked, unlike citizens. This has happened to over 14,000 Palestinians since 1967, mostly due to information showing that the center of their life was not in Jerusalem. With the loss of resident status, they lose their health insurance, livelihood and even the right to enter Jerusalem.

Over the years, the Interior Ministry has given various and sundry reasons for denying citizenship to Palestinians. This includes a family member owning land or having an electricity bill in the West Bank, or a failed short Hebrew test, or a small criminal file that was closed years ago. In one case, a person was denied because his wife, who is an Israeli citizen, published a post that mentioned the Nakba. Another person was denied because their social media profile photo showed a Palestinian flag, even though there was an Israeli flag alongside it. For many years, the ministry ignored a clause making the process easier by allowing for an expedited process for people under 21, denying applications made on the basis of this clause.

Why give citizenship to people who have openly expressed hatred for you, express zero interest in learning about or being part of your society, and so on?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Look, there are almost 2 million Arabs living in Israel - about 20% of the country's population. And no one is proposing to throw them out. They are living there peacefully.

The Palestinians in Gaza WERE able to come and go when they had jobs in Israel or needed medical treatment, or all kinds of other things. But I don't know why you would think that it would ever make sense to fold Gaza into Israel. Who in the world would actually want that? You think the Palestinians who are angry to the point of rape and slaughter about Israel existing at all, want to live under Israeli rule?! You think this is a plan that should be proposed? "Hey, you keep saying 'from the river to the sea' and 'death to all Jews' - but wanna come join our country?"

I don't know why you think this is a gotcha.

Ah yes, the 2 million Arabs in Israel, the "1948 Arabs", the 20% of the total Arab population in 1948 that escaped deportation, Jewish militias or super-ardent Zionists who thought we no needo no Arabs in Eretz Israel, that ain't what good lord promised!

I'll leave the discussion of "nobody wants to throw them out" (guess what! some do!) or "they are completely equal to Israeli Jews!" (guess what! they aren't!) for another day. Better people than me have days jobs that focus exclusively on cataloguing that type of inequality. But a few facts for the readers:

"In the aftermath of the 1947–49 Palestine war, of the estimated 950,000 Arabs that lived in the territory that became Israel before the war, over 80% fled or were expelled and 20%, some 156,000, remained.[31] Arab citizens of Israel today are largely composed of the people who remained and their descendants. Others include some from the Gaza Strip and the West Bank who procured Israeli citizenship under family-unification provisions made significantly more stringent in the aftermath of the Second Intifada.[32]

While most Arabs remaining in Israel were granted citizenship, they were subject to martial law in the early years of the state.[33][34] Zionism had given little serious thought as to how to integrate Arabs, and according to Ian Lustick subsequent policies were 'implemented by a rigorous regime of military rule that dominated what remained of the Arab population in territory ruled by Israel, enabling the state to expropriate most Arab-owned land, severely limit its access to investment capital and employment opportunity, and eliminate virtually all opportunities to use citizenship as a vehicle for gaining political influence'.[35] Travel permits, curfews, administrative detentions, and expulsions were part of life until 1966.

I want to remind you that this discussion was brought on by the post lamenting "why can't Gazans integrate peacefully into Israeli society like other Arabs who live in Israel!" The "gotcha" part is that in fact, this integration, i.e. citizenship, has never, ever, ever been made available to ANY ARAB OUTSIDE OF "1948 ARABS, that is, the 20% that escaped deportation in 1948. Never since then. Not once.

Don't talk about being able to "come and go". Libraries can be filled with stories by the people whose lives were derailed by random rejections at checkpoints, inordinately long wait times, lost opportunities to travel, do business, receive an education, perform or play sports at the global stage.

How about Arabs in East Jerusalem and the Golan who are able to apply for citizenship?

yes how about them?

Just 5 Percent of E. Jerusalem Palestinians Have Received Israeli Citizenship Since 1967
Since 1967, over 14,000 Palestinians living in East Jerusalem have had their residency status revoked, something that cannot be done to citizens
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-05-29/ty-article/why-so-few-palestinians-from-jerusalem-have-israeli-citizenship/00000181-0c46-d090-abe1-ed7fefc20000

The lack of Israeli citizenship has many implications. Without it, East Jerusalem Palestinians cannot vote in Israeli legislative elections or obtain an Israeli passport. To travel abroad they must apply for a temporary travel document (laissez passer). Some jobs are not open to non-citizens. Most importantly, their residency status can be revoked, unlike citizens. This has happened to over 14,000 Palestinians since 1967, mostly due to information showing that the center of their life was not in Jerusalem. With the loss of resident status, they lose their health insurance, livelihood and even the right to enter Jerusalem.

Over the years, the Interior Ministry has given various and sundry reasons for denying citizenship to Palestinians. This includes a family member owning land or having an electricity bill in the West Bank, or a failed short Hebrew test, or a small criminal file that was closed years ago. In one case, a person was denied because his wife, who is an Israeli citizen, published a post that mentioned the Nakba. Another person was denied because their social media profile photo showed a Palestinian flag, even though there was an Israeli flag alongside it. For many years, the ministry ignored a clause making the process easier by allowing for an expedited process for people under 21, denying applications made on the basis of this clause.

Just proves that your assertion that only those who remained after 1948 were able to get citizenship is wrong and your “has never ever been available” is also wrong.

Just proves that you have zero understanding of context surrounding the so-called "eligibility" of East Jerusalemites.

Just proves that you were caught in a lie and now trying to weasel out of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Look, there are almost 2 million Arabs living in Israel - about 20% of the country's population. And no one is proposing to throw them out. They are living there peacefully.

The Palestinians in Gaza WERE able to come and go when they had jobs in Israel or needed medical treatment, or all kinds of other things. But I don't know why you would think that it would ever make sense to fold Gaza into Israel. Who in the world would actually want that? You think the Palestinians who are angry to the point of rape and slaughter about Israel existing at all, want to live under Israeli rule?! You think this is a plan that should be proposed? "Hey, you keep saying 'from the river to the sea' and 'death to all Jews' - but wanna come join our country?"

I don't know why you think this is a gotcha.

Ah yes, the 2 million Arabs in Israel, the "1948 Arabs", the 20% of the total Arab population in 1948 that escaped deportation, Jewish militias or super-ardent Zionists who thought we no needo no Arabs in Eretz Israel, that ain't what good lord promised!

I'll leave the discussion of "nobody wants to throw them out" (guess what! some do!) or "they are completely equal to Israeli Jews!" (guess what! they aren't!) for another day. Better people than me have days jobs that focus exclusively on cataloguing that type of inequality. But a few facts for the readers:

"In the aftermath of the 1947–49 Palestine war, of the estimated 950,000 Arabs that lived in the territory that became Israel before the war, over 80% fled or were expelled and 20%, some 156,000, remained.[31] Arab citizens of Israel today are largely composed of the people who remained and their descendants. Others include some from the Gaza Strip and the West Bank who procured Israeli citizenship under family-unification provisions made significantly more stringent in the aftermath of the Second Intifada.[32]

While most Arabs remaining in Israel were granted citizenship, they were subject to martial law in the early years of the state.[33][34] Zionism had given little serious thought as to how to integrate Arabs, and according to Ian Lustick subsequent policies were 'implemented by a rigorous regime of military rule that dominated what remained of the Arab population in territory ruled by Israel, enabling the state to expropriate most Arab-owned land, severely limit its access to investment capital and employment opportunity, and eliminate virtually all opportunities to use citizenship as a vehicle for gaining political influence'.[35] Travel permits, curfews, administrative detentions, and expulsions were part of life until 1966.

I want to remind you that this discussion was brought on by the post lamenting "why can't Gazans integrate peacefully into Israeli society like other Arabs who live in Israel!" The "gotcha" part is that in fact, this integration, i.e. citizenship, has never, ever, ever been made available to ANY ARAB OUTSIDE OF "1948 ARABS, that is, the 20% that escaped deportation in 1948. Never since then. Not once.

Don't talk about being able to "come and go". Libraries can be filled with stories by the people whose lives were derailed by random rejections at checkpoints, inordinately long wait times, lost opportunities to travel, do business, receive an education, perform or play sports at the global stage.

How about Arabs in East Jerusalem and the Golan who are able to apply for citizenship?

yes how about them?

Just 5 Percent of E. Jerusalem Palestinians Have Received Israeli Citizenship Since 1967
Since 1967, over 14,000 Palestinians living in East Jerusalem have had their residency status revoked, something that cannot be done to citizens
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-05-29/ty-article/why-so-few-palestinians-from-jerusalem-have-israeli-citizenship/00000181-0c46-d090-abe1-ed7fefc20000

The lack of Israeli citizenship has many implications. Without it, East Jerusalem Palestinians cannot vote in Israeli legislative elections or obtain an Israeli passport. To travel abroad they must apply for a temporary travel document (laissez passer). Some jobs are not open to non-citizens. Most importantly, their residency status can be revoked, unlike citizens. This has happened to over 14,000 Palestinians since 1967, mostly due to information showing that the center of their life was not in Jerusalem. With the loss of resident status, they lose their health insurance, livelihood and even the right to enter Jerusalem.

Over the years, the Interior Ministry has given various and sundry reasons for denying citizenship to Palestinians. This includes a family member owning land or having an electricity bill in the West Bank, or a failed short Hebrew test, or a small criminal file that was closed years ago. In one case, a person was denied because his wife, who is an Israeli citizen, published a post that mentioned the Nakba. Another person was denied because their social media profile photo showed a Palestinian flag, even though there was an Israeli flag alongside it. For many years, the ministry ignored a clause making the process easier by allowing for an expedited process for people under 21, denying applications made on the basis of this clause.

Why give citizenship to people who have openly expressed hatred for you, express zero interest in learning about or being part of your society, and so on?

Typical colonizer motto: I want your land but not your people.

East Jerusalemites did not come to Israel, Israel came to them. They are natives to the land much more than a Jew from Ukraine or Bogota who has never been to the Middle East but decided to up and move to Israel, and received citizenship on the spot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Look, there are almost 2 million Arabs living in Israel - about 20% of the country's population. And no one is proposing to throw them out. They are living there peacefully.

The Palestinians in Gaza WERE able to come and go when they had jobs in Israel or needed medical treatment, or all kinds of other things. But I don't know why you would think that it would ever make sense to fold Gaza into Israel. Who in the world would actually want that? You think the Palestinians who are angry to the point of rape and slaughter about Israel existing at all, want to live under Israeli rule?! You think this is a plan that should be proposed? "Hey, you keep saying 'from the river to the sea' and 'death to all Jews' - but wanna come join our country?"

I don't know why you think this is a gotcha.

Ah yes, the 2 million Arabs in Israel, the "1948 Arabs", the 20% of the total Arab population in 1948 that escaped deportation, Jewish militias or super-ardent Zionists who thought we no needo no Arabs in Eretz Israel, that ain't what good lord promised!

I'll leave the discussion of "nobody wants to throw them out" (guess what! some do!) or "they are completely equal to Israeli Jews!" (guess what! they aren't!) for another day. Better people than me have days jobs that focus exclusively on cataloguing that type of inequality. But a few facts for the readers:

"In the aftermath of the 1947–49 Palestine war, of the estimated 950,000 Arabs that lived in the territory that became Israel before the war, over 80% fled or were expelled and 20%, some 156,000, remained.[31] Arab citizens of Israel today are largely composed of the people who remained and their descendants. Others include some from the Gaza Strip and the West Bank who procured Israeli citizenship under family-unification provisions made significantly more stringent in the aftermath of the Second Intifada.[32]

While most Arabs remaining in Israel were granted citizenship, they were subject to martial law in the early years of the state.[33][34] Zionism had given little serious thought as to how to integrate Arabs, and according to Ian Lustick subsequent policies were 'implemented by a rigorous regime of military rule that dominated what remained of the Arab population in territory ruled by Israel, enabling the state to expropriate most Arab-owned land, severely limit its access to investment capital and employment opportunity, and eliminate virtually all opportunities to use citizenship as a vehicle for gaining political influence'.[35] Travel permits, curfews, administrative detentions, and expulsions were part of life until 1966.

I want to remind you that this discussion was brought on by the post lamenting "why can't Gazans integrate peacefully into Israeli society like other Arabs who live in Israel!" The "gotcha" part is that in fact, this integration, i.e. citizenship, has never, ever, ever been made available to ANY ARAB OUTSIDE OF "1948 ARABS, that is, the 20% that escaped deportation in 1948. Never since then. Not once.

Don't talk about being able to "come and go". Libraries can be filled with stories by the people whose lives were derailed by random rejections at checkpoints, inordinately long wait times, lost opportunities to travel, do business, receive an education, perform or play sports at the global stage.

How about Arabs in East Jerusalem and the Golan who are able to apply for citizenship?

yes how about them?

Just 5 Percent of E. Jerusalem Palestinians Have Received Israeli Citizenship Since 1967
Since 1967, over 14,000 Palestinians living in East Jerusalem have had their residency status revoked, something that cannot be done to citizens
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-05-29/ty-article/why-so-few-palestinians-from-jerusalem-have-israeli-citizenship/00000181-0c46-d090-abe1-ed7fefc20000

The lack of Israeli citizenship has many implications. Without it, East Jerusalem Palestinians cannot vote in Israeli legislative elections or obtain an Israeli passport. To travel abroad they must apply for a temporary travel document (laissez passer). Some jobs are not open to non-citizens. Most importantly, their residency status can be revoked, unlike citizens. This has happened to over 14,000 Palestinians since 1967, mostly due to information showing that the center of their life was not in Jerusalem. With the loss of resident status, they lose their health insurance, livelihood and even the right to enter Jerusalem.

Over the years, the Interior Ministry has given various and sundry reasons for denying citizenship to Palestinians. This includes a family member owning land or having an electricity bill in the West Bank, or a failed short Hebrew test, or a small criminal file that was closed years ago. In one case, a person was denied because his wife, who is an Israeli citizen, published a post that mentioned the Nakba. Another person was denied because their social media profile photo showed a Palestinian flag, even though there was an Israeli flag alongside it. For many years, the ministry ignored a clause making the process easier by allowing for an expedited process for people under 21, denying applications made on the basis of this clause.

Just proves that your assertion that only those who remained after 1948 were able to get citizenship is wrong and your “has never ever been available” is also wrong.

Just proves that you have zero understanding of context surrounding the so-called "eligibility" of East Jerusalemites.

Just proves that you were caught in a lie and now trying to weasel out of it.

What? The poster said, "why can't Arabs from Gaza peacefully integrate into the Israeli society, like other Arabs in Israel". Tell me. How can an Arab from Gaza peacefully integrate into the Israel society, i.e. move to Israel and obtain citizenship? I'll wait.