Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He pinpointed the exact time when there was no air left in George’s body, his brain was damaged, and his heart stopped. He mentioned that you can see death in a person’s face and you can see that when looking at the pictures; he looked different and small. He described in detail how George was slowly tortured. Dr. Tobin showed when George was gasping to breath reaching out with his curled fingers trying to get air through his fingers after that, his leg raised in reflex as his last effort to get air into his compressed lungs. Dr. Tobin loosened his tie and had the jury follow along the neck to to learn about anatomy as he demonstrated how George was asphyxiated. He used 3-d imaging to recreate the officers excessive force and weight on George Floyd’s body and neck. He calculated Chauvin’s weight and weapon belt and showed a picture where he had his total weight on George’s neck with an image of Chauvin kneeling with such force that his shoe was off the ground. He calculated the time when he died and that Chauvin still remained on him for 3 minutes more. Everything was based on numbers, equations, science and evidence. It was raw testimony that I had not heard before, so upsetting that I turned off the tv.

This testimony sealed this trial. It was that haunting.

I hope so. Putting into science what we can all clearly see. Thank you for your summary

[Anonymous]

I have not been watching the trial, but for those of you who have -- they've GOT to find him guilty, right??? Do you have any doubts that they do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have not been watching the trial, but for those of you who have -- they've GOT to find him guilty, right??? Do you have any doubts that they do?

This thread is about WATCHING THE TRIAL! Pleeeeeease take the ranting and symbolism and politics somewhere else! Lots of other threads for that!

[Anonymous]

I just caught up with the doctor’s testimony—wow. I was leaning “reasonable doubt,” but he might have swayed me. Amazing witness, really the total package.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There have been so many points during this trial that I was overcome with emotion. At first it was when the children were testifying. Then it was when the firefighter was testifying and they shoed the video at critical points. It was excruciating. I've seen it before, but tears fell from eyes almost involuntarily. What Chauvin did was so inhumane and shocking. GF died in agony.

And he was so calm. Sociopathic POS

How many times had he done it before he was finally doing it on video?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have not been watching the trial, but for those of you who have -- they've GOT to find him guilty, right??? Do you have any doubts that they do?

What's the point of even asking this question? Nobody knows until it happens.

Juries in America have a lousy track record when it comes to trying sicko cops...

[Anonymous]

Thank you to PPs who underlined this Tobin testimony. It is truly extraordinary--also some of the best science communication I have seen recently.

[Anonymous]

Chauvin was torturing him on purpose. Disgusting.

[Anonymous]

From NYT:

Mr. Nelson also sought to portray the medical care that Mr. Floyd received from paramedics as lacking, saying they had not inserted a tube down Mr. Floyd’s throat until nine minutes after they arrived.

WTF. Didn't we learn from the paramedic herself that the cops had told her to back off?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From NYT:

Mr. Nelson also sought to portray the medical care that Mr. Floyd received from paramedics as lacking, saying they had not inserted a tube down Mr. Floyd’s throat until nine minutes after they arrived.

WTF. Didn't we learn from the paramedic herself that the cops had told her to back off?!

You may be confusing an off duty MFD employee with the dispatched EMTs who treated Floyd. The dispatch EMTs were both male.

In my opinion he was mostly trying to elicit testimony on the complications at the scene that led the EMTs to choose to move to another location (which required one to drive the ambulance while Lane assisted the other in the back of the ambulance). This is probably really the main point that could bolster the assertion of a complex scene/crowd. Defense has floated the concept of crowd complications in the use of force sections of the trial. It’s not a particularly strong argument as far as I see it, but the defense has to present some narrative.

Any critical care complications could create reasonable doubt, but as we move into medical testimony it’ll probably become more clear that Floyd’s pulse couldn’t be detected before an ambulance arrived. There’s no objectively reasonable wrongdoing by the EMTs (as far as we’ve seen), so it would be hard for Nelson to go too far down that path without losing credibility.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Chauvin was torturing him on purpose. Disgusting.

I fully believe this was a murder but this slide is not correct. Of course you can have one foot off the ground and still have most of your weight balanced on the other extremity. This doesn’t prove anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chauvin was torturing him on purpose. Disgusting.

I fully believe this was a murder but this slide is not correct. Of course you can have one foot off the ground and still have most of your weight balanced on the other extremity. This doesn’t prove anything.

The fact that his upper body is still essentially vertical is the key, and shows where the force from his body weight is directed. In order for him to be situated vertically (not leaning to the other side, shifting his weight) tells you that the force is directed nearly straight down. For that to be true, around half his body weight is on the neck.

[Anonymous]

Chauvin’s predictable defenses: The Crowd, Drug use, Training, Perceived Threat, EMT negligence
Trying to establish that the crowd was unruly and threatening preventing critical care to be administered by either Chauvin or the EMT, confirmed by the EMT’s decision to move to another location, further delaying care for Floyd. EMT should have started compressions and transferred to the hospital ASAP.
Narcotics in his system - a perceived threat of Floyd having superhuman strength, took 4 officers to subdue him.
Mistaking Floyd’s involuntary leg reflex as him still resisting, he’s not a doctor defense.
In an “ever revolving” situation perceived as threatening, Chauvin used the practices trained by the academy. (Not for 9 minutes, crowd distracted him defense)
*if they suspected drug use, “I ate too many drugs”, why wasn’t that information relayed to EMT or hospital?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From NYT:

Mr. Nelson also sought to portray the medical care that Mr. Floyd received from paramedics as lacking, saying they had not inserted a tube down Mr. Floyd’s throat until nine minutes after they arrived.

WTF. Didn't we learn from the paramedic herself that the cops had told her to back off?!

You may be confusing an off duty MFD employee with the dispatched EMTs who treated Floyd. The dispatch EMTs were both male.

In my opinion he was mostly trying to elicit testimony on the complications at the scene that led the EMTs to choose to move to another location (which required one to drive the ambulance while Lane assisted the other in the back of the ambulance). This is probably really the main point that could bolster the assertion of a complex scene/crowd. Defense has floated the concept of crowd complications in the use of force sections of the trial. It’s not a particularly strong argument as far as I see it, but the defense has to present some narrative.

Any critical care complications could create reasonable doubt, but as we move into medical testimony it’ll probably become more clear that Floyd’s pulse couldn’t be detected before an ambulance arrived. There’s no objectively reasonable wrongdoing by the EMTs (as far as we’ve seen), so it would be hard for Nelson to go too far down that path without losing credibility.

DP. I think PP is referencing Genevieve Hanson, a Mpls EMT who just happened to be in the area, she wasn’t dispatched. She testified early on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Chauvin’s predictable defenses: The Crowd, Drug use, Training, Perceived Threat, EMT negligence
Trying to establish that the crowd was unruly and threatening preventing critical care to be administered by either Chauvin or the EMT, confirmed by the EMT’s decision to move to another location, further delaying care for Floyd. EMT should have started compressions and transferred to the hospital ASAP.
Narcotics in his system - a perceived threat of Floyd having superhuman strength, took 4 officers to subdue him.
Mistaking Floyd’s involuntary leg reflex as him still resisting, he’s not a doctor defense.
In an “ever revolving” situation perceived as threatening, Chauvin used the practices trained by the academy. (Not for 9 minutes, crowd distracted him defense)
*if they suspected drug use, “I ate too many drugs”, why wasn’t that information relayed to EMT or hospital?

The whole unruly crowd argument is so strange to me. If they were uncomfortable with the crowd all Chauvin had to do was stop killing Floyd and they would have calmed down.