
That's the point. You should have stopped there. But a lot of people are not taking the particular circumstances into account. They are making assumptions because he is a white out-of-town RWNJ. They would make different assumptions if he were a local black kid shot in the back by cops. |
Personally, I am not defending him. He definitely did wrong, and so did his father and the cops on the scene. I am just not convinced he is legally liable for murder based on the facts we have so far. |
Gun or not, I also do not extend the benefit of the doubt to people that knowingly travel to a volatile area, break curfew, and find themselves in an altercation. That is not someone who respects the law. |
No one is making assumptions. This kid traveled TO Kenosha with his AR-15 to be part of an illegal vigilante mob. The violence he inflicted seems to be the point of his trip - and is if nothing else entirely predictable. He killed two people - and he shouldn't have been there! What part of personal responsibility do you not understand? He was violating the law being there in the first place. He went looking for trouble, and he sure found it, and now two people are dead. |
Maybe he'd just murdered someone. But maybe he was fleeing, heard the nearby gunshot, and panicked thinking it was a gunshot from the person pursuing him before he had shot anyone. That's, frankly, part of why you don't want to let these non-peaceful protests escalate in the first place. You can't tell what the hell is going on in the chaos -- can't tell who the good guys and the bad guys are. That's why cops shouldn't turn a blind eye to property damage or people blocking traffic and all of the other protest-adjacent behavior. Keeping that nonsense to a minimum makes it easier to protect actual protesters from violent assholes like Rittenhouse or, if not Rittenhouse himself, these self-proclaimed "militia" people. |
The vigilante mob wasn't illegal. I agree they shouldn't have been there and the cops should not have encouraged them. And I also agree that this was predictable, in that one of these militia types was eventually going to shoot someone. I just don't agree we have sufficient evidence yet to convict this particular person of murder. Don't be surprised if he gets off. If he does, I won't be surprised at the protests that follow. |
This. And it's also why you don't want the cops encouraging these militias to "help." |
The 17yo is not part of a militia. |
Him being there was illegal. He was breaking curfew, and carrying an illegal gun, in order to pretend to be a police man at 2 am. That's being part of an illegal vigilante mob. Unless you think the law doesn't apply to very fine white boys or something? |
The right wing is completely unhinged in their inconsistencies trying to defend this. Sad. |
No that's breaking curfew and illegal carry. He's likely to be convicted of those. A bunch of guys standing around with guns isn't "a vigilante mob." I do think open carry itself should be illegal for this very reason, but it isn't. |
The kid is an outlier. The militias have been mostly peaceful. |
You could have stopped right there, friend. |
Holy cow. I truly am blown away by what you're saying. Do you speak English? Do you know what the word "vigilante" means? Do you know there were groups of regular old armed citizens who decided to descend on Kenosha as an organized mob to take justice into their own hands? That's what vigilante means. https://apnews.com/64ff4770fe1f1daca001b2fbaae0933b
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No, they’re there to foment more chaos. And “mostly peaceful” is not peaceful. |