Who said there isn't a North-South divide?

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Anonymous wrote:From HBW website:
I have heard that the HBW student body is not very diverse, that it does not mirror the County. Is that accurate?

HBW, as a county-wide program, does not draw students from only its local northern Arlington neighborhood, but from all over the county. South Arlington students are as likely to attend HBW as north Arlington students. HBW has students from all 5 middle schools and all 3 high schools, and the ratio of students enrolled from each school is roughly equal when compared to the overall number of students in each attendance zone. For example 7.4 percent of students who live in the Wakefield attendance zone attend HBW, and 7.0 percent of the students in the Yorktown attendance zone attend HBW, despite HBW’s location within the Yorktown boundary.



What an absolute non-answer! It doesn’t address the diversity question at all.


Transfers by sending school on page 4 https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Transfer-Report-2017-18.pdf

Free and reduced lunch page 2 https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/FREE-REDUCED-OCTOBER-31-2017.pdf

Student Civil Rights info page 1 https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Civil-Rights-Table-1-2017-12-7-web.pdf

The racial composition at HB Woodlawn matches Yorktown very closely.
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Anonymous wrote:Also if we live in S Arlington we really don’t want to be isolated at school with only N Arlington folk. Sorry I want my kid at a decent school but we chose S Arlington over N Arlington in part for the down to earth feel and economic and racial diversity.


Dp- So you were always planning to send jr to the neighborhood school? You are just advocating for a better mix through out the county and in south Arlington in particular?
If yes- I get that.
Someone up thread was saying that spreading out poverty through out sa ( all elementary schools farms % around 50) didn’t address NA- implying it wasn’t an acceptable solution. I think that’s a great way to keep Henry, Hoffman Boston, and Oakridge from being Tittle 1. If that’s your goal.... we get it.


Title I threshold is 40%. And why would anyone want to make all south Arlington schools Title I? Spreading out the poverty across just south Arlington has to be the stupidest comment I've ever seen on this forum. And there have been some doozies.


I’m sure you have a genius and completely realistic scenario that spreads the poverty evenly into Jamestownland? Why don’t you have another drink...


If someone from NA actually came up with such a plan, you’d piss all over it anyway simply because it came from NA.


Oh so that’s why you’re keeping your incredible plan all to yourself! Talk about stupid comments on this thread...


No, the stupid comment was thinking pp was saying she actually had a plan instead of realizing it was commentary on your lousy attitude.


You are the problem with Arlington.


People who are tired of getting slapped down and insulted when they try to help others are the problem. Sure. Okay. You go with that, I'm sure it'll get you far.


People like who don’t see the benefit to having a 50% poverty rate spread where it is feasible are a HUGE problem. Protecting Henry or wherever makes you no better than Yorktown trolls.
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Anonymous wrote:Also if we live in S Arlington we really don’t want to be isolated at school with only N Arlington folk. Sorry I want my kid at a decent school but we chose S Arlington over N Arlington in part for the down to earth feel and economic and racial diversity.


Dp- So you were always planning to send jr to the neighborhood school? You are just advocating for a better mix through out the county and in south Arlington in particular?
If yes- I get that.
Someone up thread was saying that spreading out poverty through out sa ( all elementary schools farms % around 50) didn’t address NA- implying it wasn’t an acceptable solution. I think that’s a great way to keep Henry, Hoffman Boston, and Oakridge from being Tittle 1. If that’s your goal.... we get it.


Title I threshold is 40%. And why would anyone want to make all south Arlington schools Title I? Spreading out the poverty across just south Arlington has to be the stupidest comment I've ever seen on this forum. And there have been some doozies.


I’m sure you have a genius and completely realistic scenario that spreads the poverty evenly into Jamestownland? Why don’t you have another drink...


If someone from NA actually came up with such a plan, you’d piss all over it anyway simply because it came from NA.


Oh so that’s why you’re keeping your incredible plan all to yourself! Talk about stupid comments on this thread...


No, the stupid comment was thinking pp was saying she actually had a plan instead of realizing it was commentary on your lousy attitude.


You are the problem with Arlington.


People who are tired of getting slapped down and insulted when they try to help others are the problem. Sure. Okay. You go with that, I'm sure it'll get you far.


People like who don’t see the benefit to having a 50% poverty rate spread where it is feasible are a HUGE problem. Protecting Henry or wherever makes you no better than Yorktown trolls.


There are several people participating in this discussion (even just in the quoted portion), so I'd be careful about the assumptions you make about who said what and where they're coming from. To give you an example, I am one person (not the only one) who questioned the wisdom of simply making all of the SA schools 50% FARMS. I also, in other discussions, have suggested ways we might get more busing across Rte 50 to help spread things out further and alternative ways we might help the schools where we can't do better via boundaries at the time. Thus, when I question 50%, I am not saying we should try for better than all-50% because I'm trying to protect Henry/Fleet (I live in North Arlington, I have no investment in Henry/Fleet), I'm saying it because I think we legitimately can do better for everyone. When you then insult me, tell me to shut up and call me a troll, you're telling me not to bother trying to help anymore because it's not welcome.

So that's what I'll do. I'll stop trying to help. I'll stop posting school board meeting/work session summaries when key issues are discussed so that people here can have more information to work with. I'll stop posting it when I see some potentially useful information or data. I'll stop raising considerations about other schools when I go to office hours. I'll stop thinking about whether the best solution for my neighborhood might negatively affect someone else's. I'll keep to my corner of the county and stay out of yours.
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Anonymous wrote:Also if we live in S Arlington we really don’t want to be isolated at school with only N Arlington folk. Sorry I want my kid at a decent school but we chose S Arlington over N Arlington in part for the down to earth feel and economic and racial diversity.


Dp- So you were always planning to send jr to the neighborhood school? You are just advocating for a better mix through out the county and in south Arlington in particular?
If yes- I get that.
Someone up thread was saying that spreading out poverty through out sa ( all elementary schools farms % around 50) didn’t address NA- implying it wasn’t an acceptable solution. I think that’s a great way to keep Henry, Hoffman Boston, and Oakridge from being Tittle 1. If that’s your goal.... we get it.


Title I threshold is 40%. And why would anyone want to make all south Arlington schools Title I? Spreading out the poverty across just south Arlington has to be the stupidest comment I've ever seen on this forum. And there have been some doozies.


I’m sure you have a genius and completely realistic scenario that spreads the poverty evenly into Jamestownland? Why don’t you have another drink...


If someone from NA actually came up with such a plan, you’d piss all over it anyway simply because it came from NA.


Oh so that’s why you’re keeping your incredible plan all to yourself! Talk about stupid comments on this thread...


No, the stupid comment was thinking pp was saying she actually had a plan instead of realizing it was commentary on your lousy attitude.


You are the problem with Arlington.


People who are tired of getting slapped down and insulted when they try to help others are the problem. Sure. Okay. You go with that, I'm sure it'll get you far.


People like who don’t see the benefit to having a 50% poverty rate spread where it is feasible are a HUGE problem. Protecting Henry or wherever makes you no better than Yorktown trolls.


There are several people participating in this discussion (even just in the quoted portion), so I'd be careful about the assumptions you make about who said what and where they're coming from. To give you an example, I am one person (not the only one) who questioned the wisdom of simply making all of the SA schools 50% FARMS. I also, in other discussions, have suggested ways we might get more busing across Rte 50 to help spread things out further and alternative ways we might help the schools where we can't do better via boundaries at the time. Thus, when I question 50%, I am not saying we should try for better than all-50% because I'm trying to protect Henry/Fleet (I live in North Arlington, I have no investment in Henry/Fleet), I'm saying it because I think we legitimately can do better for everyone. When you then insult me, tell me to shut up and call me a troll, you're telling me not to bother trying to help anymore because it's not welcome.

So that's what I'll do. I'll stop trying to help. I'll stop posting school board meeting/work session summaries when key issues are discussed so that people here can have more information to work with. I'll stop posting it when I see some potentially useful information or data. I'll stop raising considerations about other schools when I go to office hours. I'll stop thinking about whether the best solution for my neighborhood might negatively affect someone else's. I'll keep to my corner of the county and stay out of yours.


Please. Arlington-SGA-know-it-all’s couldn’t stop posting here if their lives depended on it.
You want to include Barret, Longbranch, and Ashlawn? Great, but that’s not a new idea, and let’s not pretend it will move the needle that much. Aiming for a 50 percent spread would make a huge impact.
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Anonymous wrote:From HBW website:
I have heard that the HBW student body is not very diverse, that it does not mirror the County. Is that accurate?

HBW, as a county-wide program, does not draw students from only its local northern Arlington neighborhood, but from all over the county. South Arlington students are as likely to attend HBW as north Arlington students. HBW has students from all 5 middle schools and all 3 high schools, and the ratio of students enrolled from each school is roughly equal when compared to the overall number of students in each attendance zone. For example 7.4 percent of students who live in the Wakefield attendance zone attend HBW, and 7.0 percent of the students in the Yorktown attendance zone attend HBW, despite HBW’s location within the Yorktown boundary.



What an absolute non-answer! It doesn’t address the diversity question at all.


Transfers by sending school on page 4 https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Transfer-Report-2017-18.pdf

If you keep reading it does say that HB is whiter than the county. You cannot make people apply to attend HB and therefore if not many minoritoes apply, not many will be selected. I would guess that majority of applicants are white. The lottery is blind other than zoned location.

Free and reduced lunch page 2 https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/FREE-REDUCED-OCTOBER-31-2017.pdf

Student Civil Rights info page 1 https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Civil-Rights-Table-1-2017-12-7-web.pdf

The racial composition at HB Woodlawn matches Yorktown very closely.
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What's an SGA?
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Student government association?
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Student government association?


Don't think fourth graders are posting to dcum.
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Student government association?


Don't think fourth graders are posting to dcum.


Whoosh!
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Anonymous wrote:Also if we live in S Arlington we really don’t want to be isolated at school with only N Arlington folk. Sorry I want my kid at a decent school but we chose S Arlington over N Arlington in part for the down to earth feel and economic and racial diversity.


Dp- So you were always planning to send jr to the neighborhood school? You are just advocating for a better mix through out the county and in south Arlington in particular?
If yes- I get that.
Someone up thread was saying that spreading out poverty through out sa ( all elementary schools farms % around 50) didn’t address NA- implying it wasn’t an acceptable solution. I think that’s a great way to keep Henry, Hoffman Boston, and Oakridge from being Tittle 1. If that’s your goal.... we get it.


Title I threshold is 40%. And why would anyone want to make all south Arlington schools Title I? Spreading out the poverty across just south Arlington has to be the stupidest comment I've ever seen on this forum. And there have been some doozies.


I’m sure you have a genius and completely realistic scenario that spreads the poverty evenly into Jamestownland? Why don’t you have another drink...


If someone from NA actually came up with such a plan, you’d piss all over it anyway simply because it came from NA.


Oh so that’s why you’re keeping your incredible plan all to yourself! Talk about stupid comments on this thread...


No, the stupid comment was thinking pp was saying she actually had a plan instead of realizing it was commentary on your lousy attitude.


You are the problem with Arlington.


People who are tired of getting slapped down and insulted when they try to help others are the problem. Sure. Okay. You go with that, I'm sure it'll get you far.


People like who don’t see the benefit to having a 50% poverty rate spread where it is feasible are a HUGE problem. Protecting Henry or wherever makes you no better than Yorktown trolls.


Poster you're telling to take another drink here. I am not self-serving here. We're done with the lower levels of schooling; but my kids went to a 65% FRL elementary school. It's simply absolutely assanine to even suggest that all the FRL south of 50 must remain south of 50 and be spread evenly across all south arlington schools. I never suggested jamestown has to have an equal %FRL, or any other school, for that matter - unlike the person suggesting all south Arlington schools should be 50% FRL. Why should every school in SA be Title I? If you're going to move kids around anyway, they can just as easily - if not more easily - inch upward north of 50. Henry would gladly take a higher % again - but I don't think they should take it all the way back to 50 again. Oakridge could take more again, too. But when you have high-performing schools with actual healthy percentages of economic diversity, why should you ruin it? There are other FEASIBLE ways to help the highest concentrations of poverty. And don't ask what "my grand plan" is because countless ideas and suggestions have been proposed and argued to death in countless strings on this forum and you know it. Every single one of them is mocked and rebuked and dismissed by people like you.
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Anonymous wrote:Also if we live in S Arlington we really don’t want to be isolated at school with only N Arlington folk. Sorry I want my kid at a decent school but we chose S Arlington over N Arlington in part for the down to earth feel and economic and racial diversity.


Dp- So you were always planning to send jr to the neighborhood school? You are just advocating for a better mix through out the county and in south Arlington in particular?
If yes- I get that.
Someone up thread was saying that spreading out poverty through out sa ( all elementary schools farms % around 50) didn’t address NA- implying it wasn’t an acceptable solution. I think that’s a great way to keep Henry, Hoffman Boston, and Oakridge from being Tittle 1. If that’s your goal.... we get it.


Title I threshold is 40%. And why would anyone want to make all south Arlington schools Title I? Spreading out the poverty across just south Arlington has to be the stupidest comment I've ever seen on this forum. And there have been some doozies.


I’m sure you have a genius and completely realistic scenario that spreads the poverty evenly into Jamestownland? Why don’t you have another drink...


If someone from NA actually came up with such a plan, you’d piss all over it anyway simply because it came from NA.


Oh so that’s why you’re keeping your incredible plan all to yourself! Talk about stupid comments on this thread...


No, the stupid comment was thinking pp was saying she actually had a plan instead of realizing it was commentary on your lousy attitude.


You are the problem with Arlington.


People who are tired of getting slapped down and insulted when they try to help others are the problem. Sure. Okay. You go with that, I'm sure it'll get you far.


People like who don’t see the benefit to having a 50% poverty rate spread where it is feasible are a HUGE problem. Protecting Henry or wherever makes you no better than Yorktown trolls.


Poster you're telling to take another drink here. I am not self-serving here. We're done with the lower levels of schooling; but my kids went to a 65% FRL elementary school. It's simply absolutely assanine to even suggest that all the FRL south of 50 must remain south of 50 and be spread evenly across all south arlington schools. I never suggested jamestown has to have an equal %FRL, or any other school, for that matter - unlike the person suggesting all south Arlington schools should be 50% FRL. Why should every school in SA be Title I? If you're going to move kids around anyway, they can just as easily - if not more easily - inch upward north of 50. Henry would gladly take a higher % again - but I don't think they should take it all the way back to 50 again. Oakridge could take more again, too. But when you have high-performing schools with actual healthy percentages of economic diversity, why should you ruin it? There are other FEASIBLE ways to help the highest concentrations of poverty. And don't ask what "my grand plan" is because countless ideas and suggestions have been proposed and argued to death in countless strings on this forum and you know it. Every single one of them is mocked and rebuked and dismissed by people like you.


TLR
“ my school is doing great and shouldn’t have to take more FRL kids. I’m enjoying my soaring property values thankyouverymuch. Let Randolph and Bracroft solve their own problems.”
North Arlington and south Arlington really aren’t that different.
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Anonymous wrote:Also if we live in S Arlington we really don’t want to be isolated at school with only N Arlington folk. Sorry I want my kid at a decent school but we chose S Arlington over N Arlington in part for the down to earth feel and economic and racial diversity.


Dp- So you were always planning to send jr to the neighborhood school? You are just advocating for a better mix through out the county and in south Arlington in particular?
If yes- I get that.
Someone up thread was saying that spreading out poverty through out sa ( all elementary schools farms % around 50) didn’t address NA- implying it wasn’t an acceptable solution. I think that’s a great way to keep Henry, Hoffman Boston, and Oakridge from being Tittle 1. If that’s your goal.... we get it.


Title I threshold is 40%. And why would anyone want to make all south Arlington schools Title I? Spreading out the poverty across just south Arlington has to be the stupidest comment I've ever seen on this forum. And there have been some doozies.


I’m sure you have a genius and completely realistic scenario that spreads the poverty evenly into Jamestownland? Why don’t you have another drink...


If someone from NA actually came up with such a plan, you’d piss all over it anyway simply because it came from NA.


Oh so that’s why you’re keeping your incredible plan all to yourself! Talk about stupid comments on this thread...


No, the stupid comment was thinking pp was saying she actually had a plan instead of realizing it was commentary on your lousy attitude.


You are the problem with Arlington.


People who are tired of getting slapped down and insulted when they try to help others are the problem. Sure. Okay. You go with that, I'm sure it'll get you far.


People like who don’t see the benefit to having a 50% poverty rate spread where it is feasible are a HUGE problem. Protecting Henry or wherever makes you no better than Yorktown trolls.


Poster you're telling to take another drink here. I am not self-serving here. We're done with the lower levels of schooling; but my kids went to a 65% FRL elementary school. It's simply absolutely assanine to even suggest that all the FRL south of 50 must remain south of 50 and be spread evenly across all south arlington schools. I never suggested jamestown has to have an equal %FRL, or any other school, for that matter - unlike the person suggesting all south Arlington schools should be 50% FRL. Why should every school in SA be Title I? If you're going to move kids around anyway, they can just as easily - if not more easily - inch upward north of 50. Henry would gladly take a higher % again - but I don't think they should take it all the way back to 50 again. Oakridge could take more again, too. But when you have high-performing schools with actual healthy percentages of economic diversity, why should you ruin it? There are other FEASIBLE ways to help the highest concentrations of poverty. And don't ask what "my grand plan" is because countless ideas and suggestions have been proposed and argued to death in countless strings on this forum and you know it. Every single one of them is mocked and rebuked and dismissed by people like you.


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Anonymous wrote:Also if we live in S Arlington we really don’t want to be isolated at school with only N Arlington folk. Sorry I want my kid at a decent school but we chose S Arlington over N Arlington in part for the down to earth feel and economic and racial diversity.


Dp- So you were always planning to send jr to the neighborhood school? You are just advocating for a better mix through out the county and in south Arlington in particular?
If yes- I get that.
Someone up thread was saying that spreading out poverty through out sa ( all elementary schools farms % around 50) didn’t address NA- implying it wasn’t an acceptable solution. I think that’s a great way to keep Henry, Hoffman Boston, and Oakridge from being Tittle 1. If that’s your goal.... we get it.


Title I threshold is 40%. And why would anyone want to make all south Arlington schools Title I? Spreading out the poverty across just south Arlington has to be the stupidest comment I've ever seen on this forum. And there have been some doozies.


I’m sure you have a genius and completely realistic scenario that spreads the poverty evenly into Jamestownland? Why don’t you have another drink...


If someone from NA actually came up with such a plan, you’d piss all over it anyway simply because it came from NA.


Oh so that’s why you’re keeping your incredible plan all to yourself! Talk about stupid comments on this thread...


No, the stupid comment was thinking pp was saying she actually had a plan instead of realizing it was commentary on your lousy attitude.


You are the problem with Arlington.


People who are tired of getting slapped down and insulted when they try to help others are the problem. Sure. Okay. You go with that, I'm sure it'll get you far.


People like who don’t see the benefit to having a 50% poverty rate spread where it is feasible are a HUGE problem. Protecting Henry or wherever makes you no better than Yorktown trolls.


Poster you're telling to take another drink here. I am not self-serving here. We're done with the lower levels of schooling; but my kids went to a 65% FRL elementary school. It's simply absolutely assanine to even suggest that all the FRL south of 50 must remain south of 50 and be spread evenly across all south arlington schools. I never suggested jamestown has to have an equal %FRL, or any other school, for that matter - unlike the person suggesting all south Arlington schools should be 50% FRL. Why should every school in SA be Title I? If you're going to move kids around anyway, they can just as easily - if not more easily - inch upward north of 50. Henry would gladly take a higher % again - but I don't think they should take it all the way back to 50 again. Oakridge could take more again, too. But when you have high-performing schools with actual healthy percentages of economic diversity, why should you ruin it? There are other FEASIBLE ways to help the highest concentrations of poverty. And don't ask what "my grand plan" is because countless ideas and suggestions have been proposed and argued to death in countless strings on this forum and you know it. Every single one of them is mocked and rebuked and dismissed by people like you.


TLR
“ my school is doing great and shouldn’t have to take more FRL kids. I’m enjoying my soaring property values thankyouverymuch. Let Randolph and Bracroft solve their own problems.”
North Arlington and south Arlington really aren’t that different.


BS. The poster said, explicitly, that he/she would be fine increasing the farms percentage but not to a tipping point where poverty would dominate. Time and again, I hear you accusing SA parents of being the assh@le you are. Very distinctive. Why the hate? my guess is you're an Arlington Forest type. NA - but barely. You've got more common cause with SA than you think.
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There are schools with almost 80% poverty. Wouldn’t it be something if we took the next boundary go around to focus on getting those free reduced lunch rates down toward 50%. It might mean that Hoffman Boston, Fleet, and Oakridge see an increase for their poverty rate, and I would bet it would have to push them close to 50%.
The next boundary shift is largely focused on south Arlington schools. So it makes sense that it would be solved with south Arlington schools.
Anonymous
No it doesn’t. It’s one county. S Arlington is approximately 1/3 of the size of N Arlington. It’s an Arlington problem.
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