AAP appeal declined

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op here

I know for a fact there are lot of kids from fcps going to prep centers

And many kids from private or other school district take it without prep

Fcps cannot ignore these scores just bcz they are from private

OP, don't feel the need to engage negative posters. I would write a letter to the superintendent saying what the AAP office personnel told you. Say this implies that your child is unfairly being denied services based on a presumption that Asians prep. Say you appealed with a WISC scores from a licensed professional, as required by FCPS. State that your child scored well within the range of other accepted students on all tests, including the WISC, and was still found ineligible. Say you have not been given a straight answers as to why the independently administered WISC was not sufficient on appeal. Also say it would be unfortunate if FCPS is making its decisions based on stereotypes of certain communities. It may not get your child in, but someone should be at least made to feel uncomfortable if FCPS is in fact using stereotypes (as suggested by the reference to communities prepping) to deny your child services. If you didn't send your child to a prep center and you used a psychologist that meets FCPS's published requirements, I'd go to the mat on this one. Also, ignore any Asian bashing on the thread, you and your child are not responsible for others actions. I, of course, have no idea why your child was denied services, but the reference to communities prepping makes me uncomfortable because individuals shouldn't be judged based on stereotypes.

They can deny without offering any rational...it was stated before the wording is so ambiguous for a reason. She can't say that the scores are reason enough for his inclusion as they are not...she can't compare anyone else because they will ask how she knows, it is supposed to be private. There is a reason they changed it from gifted (i.e. because if your child met the criteria for gifted on a WISC from a LCP then how could they be denied??) To advanced academics.

High test scores in the gifted range, well complain till the cows come home. And go ahead and bring up the reverse discrimination and stereotyping...see what they say. This board has given responses as to what likely happened. I don't think you like the answers. You mentioned your 8 year old second grade child has a chess tutor (after school and on the weekends) as well as a Lego tutor. You r based in a certain area of the county...there is no shame in the game but please don't pretend you have no knowledge it is even being played.

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I don’t see what is wrong in putting a child in after care as both parents don’t get home till 6. And in the after care if they offer chess or LEGO why not let the kid enjoy what he likes the most. And why not send him to weekend practice as the parents cannot play to his level and he wants more practice

This forum has given me options and directions and it really helped. Thanks to all

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How many is lots? 20? 100? Each fall, around 2000 3rd graders start at center schools around the district. The percentage of kids who are prepped is pretty small.

Based on what? There are at least 4 or 5 prep centers, and there are a lot of online resources. I would not assume that the percentage of kids who are prepped is that small. 10% of FCPS kids score within the top 2% nationally. It's much more likely that a large portion of kids are prepped than it is that this area is that much smarter than anywhere else, especially since every major city with a dedicated gifted program seems to have ludicrously many kids score in the gifted ranges on those tests.

Eh. Look at the maps showin who voted for Trump. I don’t doubt for one second that the population on a whole in major metropolitan areas IS indeed THAT much smarter. It costs more to live in those places. That means successful parents. That means lots of smart parents. That means lots of kids with the genetic make up to be very smart. I recognize some people prep. Many on this board have admitted doing so though many of those deny that what they did is prepping. But I still think this area is smarter than some podunk town in the middle of the country.

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^Twice as many gifted kids would be plausible. Five times as many is ludicrous. Flyover country still has medical doctors and other skilled professionals. Major cities still have retail workers, janitors, and plenty of other non college requiring professions.

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Anonymous wrote:^Twice as many gifted kids would be plausible. Five times as many is ludicrous. Flyover country still has medical doctors and other skilled professionals. Major cities still have retail workers, janitors, and plenty of other non college requiring professions.

I was in a GT program as a child. DH was in a GT program as a child. With no prepping, DC is in AAP. The same is true for many but not all of our friends. Why the surprise?

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Being in GT or AAP doesn't mean much. Most programs, including AAP, accept many kids who are not in the top 2%. Having 10% of your student body score in the top 2% is absurd. The cogat and nnat are easily prepped. There are many schools offering prep classes, and many other prep resources available. It's naive to imagine that a lot of people aren't prepping, and that we are that much more special than anywhere else. Most of the kids in AAP are bright, but nothing more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
How many is lots? 20? 100? Each fall, around 2000 3rd graders start at center schools around the district. The percentage of kids who are prepped is pretty small.

Based on what? There are at least 4 or 5 prep centers, and there are a lot of online resources. I would not assume that the percentage of kids who are prepped is that small. 10% of FCPS kids score within the top 2% nationally. It's much more likely that a large portion of kids are prepped than it is that this area is that much smarter than anywhere else, especially since every major city with a dedicated gifted program seems to have ludicrously many kids score in the gifted ranges on those tests.

Eh. Look at the maps showin who voted for Trump. I don’t doubt for one second that the population on a whole in major metropolitan areas IS indeed THAT much smarter. It costs more to live in those places. That means successful parents. That means lots of smart parents. That means lots of kids with the genetic make up to be very smart. I recognize some people prep. Many on this board have admitted doing so though many of those deny that what they did is prepping. But I still think this area is smarter than some podunk town in the middle of the country.

I think you are the same poster with anti trump ideas. I'm not sharing my ideas here, as this is not a political board. Please keep politics out of AAP. We're trying to figure out how to help our children, not your political agenda.

[Anonymous]

Or to put it a different way, everyone seems to think that they and their children have an IQ over 130. Most of those people would be in for a rude awakening if they actually had their IQ tested. The average IQ for many professions like doctors, lawyers, or engineers isn't nearly as high as you might imagine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Or to put it a different way, everyone seems to think that they and their children have an IQ over 130. Most of those people would be in for a rude awakening if they actually had their IQ tested. The average IQ for many professions like doctors, lawyers, or engineers isn't nearly as high as you might imagine.

If you count up all the posters on this forum in the past few months, it's probably much fewer than 100 different people. Do you really think that there aren't 100 children in FCPS with IQ over 130?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or to put it a different way, everyone seems to think that they and their children have an IQ over 130. Most of those people would be in for a rude awakening if they actually had their IQ tested. The average IQ for many professions like doctors, lawyers, or engineers isn't nearly as high as you might imagine.

If you count up all the posters on this forum in the past few months, it's probably much fewer than 100 different people. Do you really think that there aren't 100 children in FCPS with IQ over 130?

What the hell are you talking about? Clearly, reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Or to put it a different way, everyone seems to think that they and their children have an IQ over 130. Most of those people would be in for a rude awakening if they actually had their IQ tested. The average IQ for many professions like doctors, lawyers, or engineers isn't nearly as high as you might imagine.

Well, don't leave us in suspense...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or to put it a different way, everyone seems to think that they and their children have an IQ over 130. Most of those people would be in for a rude awakening if they actually had their IQ tested. The average IQ for many professions like doctors, lawyers, or engineers isn't nearly as high as you might imagine.

Well, don't leave us in suspense...

DP. This is what PP is referring to, I assume.

https://www.electronicproducts.com/News/Engineer_vs_engineer_Who_has_the_higher_IQ.aspx

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or to put it a different way, everyone seems to think that they and their children have an IQ over 130. Most of those people would be in for a rude awakening if they actually had their IQ tested. The average IQ for many professions like doctors, lawyers, or engineers isn't nearly as high as you might imagine.

Well, don't leave us in suspense...

DP. This is what PP is referring to, I assume.

https://www.electronicproducts.com/News/Engineer_vs_engineer_Who_has_the_higher_IQ.aspx

NP here, I read a lot of the beginning and middle but not the part that deviates to this tangent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or to put it a different way, everyone seems to think that they and their children have an IQ over 130. Most of those people would be in for a rude awakening if they actually had their IQ tested. The average IQ for many professions like doctors, lawyers, or engineers isn't nearly as high as you might imagine.

Well, don't leave us in suspense...

DP. This is what PP is referring to, I assume.

https://www.electronicproducts.com/News/Engineer_vs_engineer_Who_has_the_higher_IQ.aspx

From the article:

What does this tell us?

Nothing really. IQ tests are fast becoming yesterday’s standard, as the modern-day community has made the move to placing greater emphasis on skills, abilities, and professional training, rather than categorize an individual’s professional value based on how he / she scores on a test.

With this being the case, IQ results are more so now used in instances like this – a fun comparison, but nothing that should be taken too seriously. ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or to put it a different way, everyone seems to think that they and their children have an IQ over 130. Most of those people would be in for a rude awakening if they actually had their IQ tested. The average IQ for many professions like doctors, lawyers, or engineers isn't nearly as high as you might imagine.

Well, don't leave us in suspense...

DP. This is what PP is referring to, I assume.

https://www.electronicproducts.com/News/Engineer_vs_engineer_Who_has_the_higher_IQ.aspx

From the article:

What does this tell us?

Nothing really. IQ tests are fast becoming yesterday’s standard, as the modern-day community has made the move to placing greater emphasis on skills, abilities, and professional training, rather than categorize an individual’s professional value based on how he / she scores on a test.

With this being the case, IQ results are more so now used in instances like this – a fun comparison, but nothing that should be taken too seriously. ?

I'm the first PP, and I absolutely agree with you. The only reason I brought it up in the first place is to rebut the notion that this area is so much smarter and more special than everywhere else in the country. All of this sequed from a different tangent on asians, prepping, and how common prepping is in FCPS.