Ohio heartbeat law

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Haven't you all heard of Atheists for Life??

Perhaps you've heard of Catholics for Choice?

FYI, according to the head of the Catholic Church, you actually can't be considered Catholic if you support abortion. It's not like being Jewish just because your mother was Jewish. Choosing to be a member of the Catholic Church means you agree to its foundational beliefs. If you don't, you simply choose another faith more inline with your beliefs. How simple! Good that in America we have endless options.

That's totally untrue about Catholicism. You don't get automatically excommunicated because you support abortion.

[Anonymous]

^^Cite please for the pope saying that!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Haven't you all heard of Atheists for Life??

Perhaps you've heard of Catholics for Choice?

FYI, according to the head of the Catholic Church, you actually can't be considered Catholic if you support abortion. It's not like being Jewish just because your mother was Jewish. Choosing to be a member of the Catholic Church means you agree to its foundational beliefs. If you don't, you simply choose another faith more inline with your beliefs. How simple! Good that in America we have endless options.

That's totally untrue about Catholicism. You don't get automatically excommunicated because you support abortion.

Disagree, but this is the wrong forum for that debate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^Cite please for the pope saying that!

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/world/europe/pope-francis-abortion-priests.html?_r=0

While firmly restating his opposition to abortion as “a grave sin, since it puts an end to an innocent life,” the pope affirmed that “there is no sin that God’s mercy cannot reach and wipe away when it finds a repentant heart seeking to be reconciled with the Father.” The document, an apostolic letter, was signed on Sunday after a Mass denoting the end of the jubilee year. It was made public on Monday.
. . .

Under canon law, abortion brings automatic excommunication unless the person receiving or performing it confesses and receives absolution. Abortion is considered a “reserved sin,” meaning that permission to grant forgiveness usually must come from a bishop.

Thus, abortion itself brings about excommunication UNLESS absolution is given. Support for abortion does not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^Cite please for the pope saying that!

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/world/europe/pope-francis-abortion-priests.html?_r=0

While firmly restating his opposition to abortion as “a grave sin, since it puts an end to an innocent life,” the pope affirmed that “there is no sin that God’s mercy cannot reach and wipe away when it finds a repentant heart seeking to be reconciled with the Father.” The document, an apostolic letter, was signed on Sunday after a Mass denoting the end of the jubilee year. It was made public on Monday.
. . .

Under canon law, abortion brings automatic excommunication unless the person receiving or performing it confesses and receives absolution. Abortion is considered a “reserved sin,” meaning that permission to grant forgiveness usually must come from a bishop.

Thus, abortion itself brings about excommunication UNLESS absolution is given. Support for abortion does not.

+1,000,000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^Cite please for the pope saying that!

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/world/europe/pope-francis-abortion-priests.html?_r=0

While firmly restating his opposition to abortion as “a grave sin, since it puts an end to an innocent life,” the pope affirmed that “there is no sin that God’s mercy cannot reach and wipe away when it finds a repentant heart seeking to be reconciled with the Father.” The document, an apostolic letter, was signed on Sunday after a Mass denoting the end of the jubilee year. It was made public on Monday.
. . .

Under canon law, abortion brings automatic excommunication unless the person receiving or performing it confesses and receives absolution. Abortion is considered a “reserved sin,” meaning that permission to grant forgiveness usually must come from a bishop.

Thus, abortion itself brings about excommunication UNLESS absolution is given. Support for abortion does not.

+1,000,000

total bullshit. not a single woman has ever been excommunicated for abortion. plus "automatic excommunication" is a lot more complicated than it sounds - there are many exceptions and it is not really automatic. plus, the original assertion was that political *belief* about abortion leads to excommunication, which is definitely not true at all. and in any event "excommunication" does not mean you are not catholic - it means you can't take communion until you are reconciled, but you still have to go to mass. finally, you are a shitty, shitty catholic if you are going around trying to alienate ppl from the church because you disagree with them politically.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anti-choice is really anti-freedom of religion. It is one group of people with strong religious beliefs (and don't try to hide behind a concept of morals as under a true ethics system, abortion would be a different conversation) trying to force their beliefs on others.

Actually, anti-choice is anti women's sexuality. It's the incarnation of the scarlet letter and other punitive measures to limit women's sexual freedom and to make women "pay" for having sex and getting pregnant. If this were really and truly about preserving life and ensuring every conceived embryo makes it to full term babyhood, we would, as a society, insist upon:

- Ensure healthcare, and specifically prenatal care, for all women regardless of insurance coverage
- Healthcare benefits for every single child regardless of their parent's income
- Provide affordable childcare to every single family in this country
- Ensure parental leave for all parents
- Properly fund public education
- Hold fathers as accountable for child care and support as mothers
- Provide women with free access to contraception

But we don't. Because this really isn't about life. It's about controlling women - our version of Sharia law.

Whoa. You're pretty "out there."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anti-choice is really anti-freedom of religion. It is one group of people with strong religious beliefs (and don't try to hide behind a concept of morals as under a true ethics system, abortion would be a different conversation) trying to force their beliefs on others.

Actually, anti-choice is anti women's sexuality. It's the incarnation of the scarlet letter and other punitive measures to limit women's sexual freedom and to make women "pay" for having sex and getting pregnant. If this were really and truly about preserving life and ensuring every conceived embryo makes it to full term babyhood, we would, as a society, insist upon:

- Ensure healthcare, and specifically prenatal care, for all women regardless of insurance coverage
- Healthcare benefits for every single child regardless of their parent's income
- Provide affordable childcare to every single family in this country
- Ensure parental leave for all parents
- Properly fund public education
- Hold fathers as accountable for child care and support as mothers
- Provide women with free access to contraception

But we don't. Because this really isn't about life. It's about controlling women - our version of Sharia law.

Whoa. You're pretty "out there."

Actually, PP is pretty accurate.

[Anonymous]

Agree. It is about controlling wimen.

Anyhow, a nice little Zika epidemic in the Red South should come in handy. Watch all the pro-life women turning pro-choice when it's about them. It's not just microcephaly, it's a whole list of issues some of which can not be identified in time for 'early' abortion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anti-choice is really anti-freedom of religion. It is one group of people with strong religious beliefs (and don't try to hide behind a concept of morals as under a true ethics system, abortion would be a different conversation) trying to force their beliefs on others.

Actually, anti-choice is anti women's sexuality. It's the incarnation of the scarlet letter and other punitive measures to limit women's sexual freedom and to make women "pay" for having sex and getting pregnant. If this were really and truly about preserving life and ensuring every conceived embryo makes it to full term babyhood, we would, as a society, insist upon:

- Ensure healthcare, and specifically prenatal care, for all women regardless of insurance coverage
- Healthcare benefits for every single child regardless of their parent's income
- Provide affordable childcare to every single family in this country
- Ensure parental leave for all parents
- Properly fund public education
- Hold fathers as accountable for child care and support as mothers
- Provide women with free access to contraception

But we don't. Because this really isn't about life. It's about controlling women - our version of Sharia law.

Whoa. You're pretty "out there."

Actually, PP is pretty accurate.

+1. All you have to do is read this thread or any of the other abortion threads here. It's plainly obvious. One example: why would the rape/incest exception be so popular among anti-choicers if banning abortion in all other circumstances wasn't about punishing women for having sex by making them face the consequences?

[Anonymous]

Violence is a very bad thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Violence is a very bad thing.

Yep forcing a woman to go through labor and delivery is a state-sponsored act of violence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Violence is a very bad thing.

Yep forcing a woman to go through labor and delivery is a state-sponsored act of violence.

Perhaps painful puberty for girls should be evaluated to see what we can do about that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Violence is a very bad thing.

You said that already, and I said forced birth is worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Violence is a very bad thing.

You said that already, and I said forced birth is worse.

The birth of a human being is a natural event of life.
The violent interference of that process, is not.