Common Core question for proponents

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You aren't making your case here. High poverty schools have high failure rates because of social and cultural issues, not because of NCLB testing or a CC curriculum that critics like you want to say is "developmentally inappropriate." That's a separate issue which impacts academics, but which is not a direct function of NCLB or Common Core.

Precisely. And maybe this is where the focus for the "solutions" should be . . . not on NCLB testing.

And thus far, despite pages and pages and pages of discussion we have thus far seen exactly ZERO meaningful solutions or alternatives coming from the NCLB and CC critics. It's the same bullshit as "repeal ObamaCare" when they have no alternative proposal to fix the problems - and we already know the status quo sucks ass.

Maybe in your state -- my state had fine standards. Constitutionally, education is to be a state and local issue. Return it to the states, where it belongs.

Signed, Liberal Democrat

[Anonymous]

Maybe in your state -- my state had fine standards. Constitutionally, education is to be a state and local issue. Return it to the states, where it belongs.

Signed, Liberal Democrat

Resigned by another liberal Democrat!

[Anonymous]

Don't compare this to Obamacare. I am in favor of Obamacare for the most part. I am not in favor of what the feds are doing to education.

[Anonymous]

From: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2015/02/09/you-have-made-us-the-enemy-this-is-personal-7-n-y-teachers-of-the-year-blast-cuomo/?tid=pm_local_pop

Much is right in public education today. We invite you to visit our classrooms and see for yourself. Most teachers, administrators and school board members are doing quality work. Our students and alumni have accomplished great things. Let’s stop the narrative of systemic failure.

Instead, let’s talk about ways to help the kids who are struggling. Let’s talk about addressing the concentration of poverty in our cities. Let’s talk about creating a culture of family so that our weakest students feel emotionally connected to their schools. Let’s talk about fostering collaboration between teachers, administrators and elected officials; it is by working together, not competing for test scores, that we will advance our cause.

None of these suggestions are easily measured with a No. 2 pencil, but they would work. On behalf of teachers across the state we say, these are our kids, we love them, and this is personal.

Ashli Dreher 2014 New York State Teacher of the Year

Katie Ferguson 2012 New York State Teacher of the Year

Jeff Peneston 2011 New York State Teacher of the Year

Rich Ognibene 2008 New York State Teacher of the Year

Marguerite Izzo 2007 New York State Teacher of the Year

Steve Bongiovi 2006 New York State Teacher of the Year

Liz Day 2005 New York State Teacher of the Year



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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Maybe in your state -- my state had fine standards. Constitutionally, education is to be a state and local issue. Return it to the states, where it belongs.

Signed, Liberal Democrat

Education remains a state and local issue.

Signed, Liberal Democrat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Maybe in your state -- my state had fine standards. Constitutionally, education is to be a state and local issue. Return it to the states, where it belongs.

Signed, Liberal Democrat

Education remains a state and local issue.

Signed, Liberal Democrat.

Not remotely with Common Core directing everything. Feds and Arne Duncan are in charge of it all now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Maybe in your state -- my state had fine standards. Constitutionally, education is to be a state and local issue. Return it to the states, where it belongs.

Signed, Liberal Democrat

Education remains a state and local issue.

Signed, Liberal Democrat.

Not remotely with Common Core directing everything. Feds and Arne Duncan are in charge of it all now.

Common Core directing everything? What, specifically, are the Common Core standards directing? MCPS has a $2.2 billion annual operating budget and a $1.7 billion five-year capital budget. How much of that does Arne Duncan decide about?

[Anonymous]

The truth is that many schools and teachers will quietly continue to teach to the students who are in front of them. The CC is over hyped and the real education starts with the students.

[Anonymous]

The Common Core standards will sit in a binder on the shelf (or on the desk if the teacher has that kind of an administrator) as this is pretty usual.

The administrator may try to get the teacher to look in the binder every so often and the teacher will read the binder when told there will be a special "training" based on standard 3.2.544e (and there will be jokes about how this binder is good for putting you to sleep at night). Meanwhile the kids will learn what is appropriate for them to be learning. Kids learn in spite of what the adults are doing.

And the administrators (at least some of them) will understand all of this and will act as a shield between the politicians and the teachers. Some teachers may be unfortunate enough to be in a place where the administrators are not "smart enough" to do this. Those are the ones who will be complaining A LOT and will probably be called out as "bad teachers".

[Anonymous]

^ And the PARCC tests will be adjusted so that there are increases in the scores every year.

Success!

[Anonymous]

^ ^ ^ LMAO, haven't seen so many totally phony "signed, liberal Democrat" posts in a while... You are really trying far too hard, and the harder you try the more phony you come across.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Maybe in your state -- my state had fine standards. Constitutionally, education is to be a state and local issue. Return it to the states, where it belongs.

Signed, Liberal Democrat

Education remains a state and local issue.

Signed, Liberal Democrat.

How *SPECIFICALLY* were your state's standards better than Common Core? And if your state's standards were more rigorous or more well defined than the corresponding section of Common Core, there's nothing that says schools can't still use the existing standard, provided they also meet the minimum relevant Common Core standard, again Common Core is a *MINIMUM* standard, which means states, districts, schools, teachers, administrators are perfectly free to go above and beyond the Common Core standard however they like, provided they at least meet that minimum standard. And, many schools out there do exactly that.

Also, the PP who says it's a state and local issue apparently isn't aware the Common Core is a STATE initiative. It was developed and spearheaded by the STATES. Though, it begs the question of why you would think it's strictly a state and local issue when the exact same need for reading and math skills exists whether you're in DC, New York City, or Louisiana.

[Anonymous]

How *SPECIFICALLY* were your state's standards better than Common Core? And if your state's standards were more rigorous or more well defined than the corresponding section of Common Core, there's nothing that says schools can't still use the existing standard, provided they also meet the minimum relevant Common Core standard, again Common Core is a *MINIMUM* standard, which means states, districts, schools, teachers, administrators are perfectly free to go above and beyond the Common Core standard however they like, provided they at least meet that minimum standard. And, many schools out there do exactly that.

You make it sound like the CC is some kind of a mandate and that states have to us it as a minimum set of standards. Is this something the Congress voted on? Who has mandated this?

[Anonymous]

^use it as a minimum set of standards

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

How *SPECIFICALLY* were your state's standards better than Common Core? And if your state's standards were more rigorous or more well defined than the corresponding section of Common Core, there's nothing that says schools can't still use the existing standard, provided they also meet the minimum relevant Common Core standard, again Common Core is a *MINIMUM* standard, which means states, districts, schools, teachers, administrators are perfectly free to go above and beyond the Common Core standard however they like, provided they at least meet that minimum standard. And, many schools out there do exactly that.

Also, the PP who says it's a state and local issue apparently isn't aware the Common Core is a STATE initiative. It was developed and spearheaded by the STATES. Though, it begs the question of why you would think it's strictly a state and local issue when the exact same need for reading and math skills exists whether you're in DC, New York City, or Louisiana.

There's nothing that says that states have to use the Common Core standards, period. States do not have to use the Common Core standards. In fact, there are several states that do not use them, starting with Virginia.