Ludlow-Taylor getting a new a new Principal

[Anonymous]

I think the Dump the Cluster thread paled in relation to some of the earlier remarks on this thread concerning which race the new principal should be.

[Anonymous]

Get a grip. PPs should be allowed to mention that they're happy that a white principal will head up a school in a majority white neighborhood without anybody batting an eye. Maury, SWS and Brent have white principals and parents don't make a thing of it.

The last few pages of the Dump the Cluster thread crossed the line.

[Anonymous]

This saddens me immensely.

[Anonymous]

Not half as sad as dear neighbors moving to the burbs because they can't swing charters commutes, don't want to put their 4 year olds on the YY bus, and won't send their kids to LT past prek.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Get a grip. PPs should be allowed to mention that they're happy that a white principal will head up a school in a majority white neighborhood without anybody batting an eye. Maury, SWS and Brent have white principals and parents don't make a thing of it.

The last few pages of the Dump the Cluster thread crossed the line.

NP here. Of all of the parents that I personally know whose children go to LT, I can't think of anyone of them who would say such a thing. I think these sentiments are of people who live in the neighborhood who WANT to send their kids to LT but have concerns over the low-socioeconomic status of many of its students. And unfortunately, I was shocked to learn from this thread and many others on DCUM that race is indeed a factor as well (parents citing concerns over their children being one of few white children in class).

From listening to widely different arguments on various sides from various races, socio-economic status, school enrollment (attending/not attending), I'd have to say that LT needs a strong leader who LISTENS to everyone, can RELATE to each groups' concerns and can BRING the parents TOGETHER as a cohesive group - while ignoring the distractions. There's a lot of white noise (no pun intended) from non-LT parents that turns prospective parents off from LT. Hopefully, that noise will fade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

NP here. Of all of the parents that I personally know whose children go to LT, I can't think of anyone of them who would say such a thing. I think these sentiments are of people who live in the neighborhood who WANT to send their kids to LT but have concerns over the low-socioeconomic status of many of its students. And unfortunately, I was shocked to learn from this thread and many others on DCUM that race is indeed a factor as well (parents citing concerns over their children being one of few white children in class).

From listening to widely different arguments on various sides from various races, socio-economic status, school enrollment (attending/not attending), I'd have to say that LT needs a strong leader who LISTENS to everyone, can RELATE to each groups' concerns and can BRING the parents TOGETHER as a cohesive group - while ignoring the distractions. There's a lot of white noise (no pun intended) from non-LT parents that turns prospective parents off from LT. Hopefully, that noise will fade.

I should add that my child is in a charter, but I currently live in the neighborhood and close to LT. I considered LT, but was turned off by the ongoing heated race/class discussions about the school.

[Anonymous]

It should never be about race. But it should be acknowledged that kids from low-SES backrounds, of any race, tend to experience hardships at home that they can't help but bring to school. And there are jealousies of seeing those high SES kids with fancy things, nuclear families, nice cars, and fancy homes, and talking about elaborate Spring Break vacations while poor SES was home ducking blows. When you mix econ status people, that's good but you may want to have aides and such to help to always maintain discipline. Just my thoughts. And the race of the principal doesn't matter; all that matters is whether he/she wants to grow the neighborhood and views that as part of the job, versus headcounts and CAS scores only. Hopefully the new principal is neighborhood-centric, regardless of whether she's purple, green or orange.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It should never be about race. But it should be acknowledged that kids from low-SES backrounds, of any race, tend to experience hardships at home that they can't help but bring to school. And there are jealousies of seeing those high SES kids with fancy things, nuclear families, nice cars, and fancy homes, and talking about elaborate Spring Break vacations while poor SES was home ducking blows. When you mix econ status people, that's good but you may want to have aides and such to help to always maintain discipline. Just my thoughts. And the race of the principal doesn't matter; all that matters is whether he/she wants to grow the neighborhood and views that as part of the job, versus headcounts and CAS scores only. Hopefully the new principal is neighborhood-centric, regardless of whether she's purple, green or orange.

Really? I know low SES families who are loving, close-knit and have very high moral values. I also know some high SES families who are negative, entitled and believe it's ok to do whatever you need to do to get ahead. I want my kids with other kids who a t like the first group regardless of how much money their parents have.

I don't find your stereotypes to be true. At. All.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It should never be about race. But it should be acknowledged that kids from low-SES backrounds, of any race, tend to experience hardships at home that they can't help but bring to school. And there are jealousies of seeing those high SES kids with fancy things, nuclear families, nice cars, and fancy homes, and talking about elaborate Spring Break vacations while poor SES was home ducking blows. When you mix econ status people, that's good but you may want to have aides and such to help to always maintain discipline. Just my thoughts. And the race of the principal doesn't matter; all that matters is whether he/she wants to grow the neighborhood and views that as part of the job, versus headcounts and CAS scores only. Hopefully the new principal is neighborhood-centric, regardless of whether she's purple, green or orange.

Holy junk! You have watched one to many 20/20 episodes about life in the 'mean streets'. Families with issues span the SES specturm. And from this post I can tell that some of the top issues for your broad are living in denial and belittling others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It should never be about race. But it should be acknowledged that kids from low-SES backrounds, of any race, tend to experience hardships at home that they can't help but bring to school. And there are jealousies of seeing those high SES kids with fancy things, nuclear families, nice cars, and fancy homes, and talking about elaborate Spring Break vacations while poor SES was home ducking blows. When you mix econ status people, that's good but you may want to have aides and such to help to always maintain discipline. Just my thoughts. And the race of the principal doesn't matter; all that matters is whether he/she wants to grow the neighborhood and views that as part of the job, versus headcounts and CAS scores only. Hopefully the new principal is neighborhood-centric, regardless of whether she's purple, green or orange.

Really? I know low SES families who are loving, close-knit and have very high moral values. I also know some high SES families who are negative, entitled and believe it's ok to do whatever you need to do to get ahead. I want my kids with other kids who a t like the first group regardless of how much money their parents have.

I don't find your stereotypes to be true. At. All.

+1 the racist vitriol and cartoonish stereotypes on this board are nauseating.

-signed high(er) SES white politically moderate Hill parent

[Anonymous]

When I first moved to the neighborhood north of Stanton Park, it was mostly AA. Twenty years later, it's mostly white. As a group, AA kids don't do quite as well as white kids across socioeconomic strata. So you can pretend LT's lack of popularity with neighborhood residents has nothing to do with race, and declare that it shouldn't between professing your outrage that others think differently without changing a thing.

My dog in this fight is getting a school that works for my high SES family and neighbors before our little kids hit the elementary grades. That seems doubtful.

You want a higher-achieving school? Welcome the neighborhood's highest-achieving parents to help reach your goal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It should never be about race. But it should be acknowledged that kids from low-SES backrounds, of any race, tend to experience hardships at home that they can't help but bring to school. And there are jealousies of seeing those high SES kids with fancy things, nuclear families, nice cars, and fancy homes, and talking about elaborate Spring Break vacations while poor SES was home ducking blows. When you mix econ status people, that's good but you may want to have aides and such to help to always maintain discipline. Just my thoughts. And the race of the principal doesn't matter; all that matters is whether he/she wants to grow the neighborhood and views that as part of the job, versus headcounts and CAS scores only. Hopefully the new principal is neighborhood-centric, regardless of whether she's purple, green or orange.

Really? I know low SES families who are loving, close-knit and have very high moral values. I also know some high SES families who are negative, entitled and believe it's ok to do whatever you need to do to get ahead. I want my kids with other kids who a t like the first group regardless of how much money their parents have.

I don't find your stereotypes to be true. At. All.

+1 the racist vitriol and cartoonish stereotypes on this board are nauseating.

-signed high(er) SES white politically moderate Hill parent

Huh? ^ Not sure who the racist/elitist is here. All types of families have problems, sure. But some kids grow up in very hard conditions. That's an unfortunate fact of life. In general terms, kids growing with extra challenges can need additional resources to nurture them. What's wrong with that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It should never be about race. But it should be acknowledged that kids from low-SES backrounds, of any race, tend to experience hardships at home that they can't help but bring to school. And there are jealousies of seeing those high SES kids with fancy things, nuclear families, nice cars, and fancy homes, and talking about elaborate Spring Break vacations while poor SES was home ducking blows. When you mix econ status people, that's good but you may want to have aides and such to help to always maintain discipline. Just my thoughts. And the race of the principal doesn't matter; all that matters is whether he/she wants to grow the neighborhood and views that as part of the job, versus headcounts and CAS scores only. Hopefully the new principal is neighborhood-centric, regardless of whether she's purple, green or orange.

Really? I know low SES families who are loving, close-knit and have very high moral values. I also know some high SES families who are negative, entitled and believe it's ok to do whatever you need to do to get ahead. I want my kids with other kids who a t like the first group regardless of how much money their parents have.

I don't find your stereotypes to be true. At. All.

+1 the racist vitriol and cartoonish stereotypes on this board are nauseating.

-signed high(er) SES white politically moderate Hill parent

Huh? ^ Not sure who the racist/elitist is here. All types of families have problems, sure. But some kids grow up in very hard conditions. That's an unfortunate fact of life. In general terms, kids growing with extra challenges can need additional resources to nurture them. What's wrong with that?

PP here you're off topic and out of line. I don't want a "white principal", nor do I think poor kids spend vacations at home getting beaten as PP stated. Do you just like to stir s@!%?

[Anonymous]

I think the PP that you appear to have accusing of being a racist was just trying to say that some kids need extra assistance, and hopefully that will be provided. Please soften the rhetoric.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When I first moved to the neighborhood north of Stanton Park, it was mostly AA. Twenty years later, it's mostly white. As a group, AA kids don't do quite as well as white kids across socioeconomic strata. So you can pretend LT's lack of popularity with neighborhood residents has nothing to do with race, and declare that it shouldn't between professing your outrage that others think differently without changing a thing.

My dog in this fight is getting a school that works for my high SES family and neighbors before our little kids hit the elementary grades. That seems doubtful.

You want a higher-achieving school? Welcome the neighborhood's highest-achieving parents to help reach your goal.

You might want to think about packing up your hood and moving to Mississippi circa 1964.