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Anonymous wrote:I think the main issue isn’t the particular age cutoff, some players will always be on the less physically mature side and eventually that will even out with hard work and athletic talent. But it’s the fact that this announcement makes it so it’s not apples to apples anymore. If you have Aug-Dec birthdays who are on MLSN2, say 2011 for example, and very close to MLSN1 2011s, and better than most of the MLSN12012s, if the age group change was consistent, many of these kids would make MLSN1. Now they are stuck being stronger players than the MLSN1 team at their grade level but unable to make the team because they were born in late 2011, but not quite mature enough for the MLSN1 the grade above with the other 2011s, and this gap may likely only increase since they now they will need to play down an age group on the second team, which will be a decreased level of competition, not the ideal way to get better.

It would be fine if everyone had the same age cutoff, but having a 5-month difference is ridiculous imo, especially if your club has both levels. It’s kind of like creating a new category of trapped players.

You're copying and pasting the same convoluted false equivalency nonsense from thread to thread

If your kid is good enough for MLS Next the coach/club is going to take him
They don't care what month he's born as long as he meets the cutoff criteria.

If he's not good enough for the team/club, he'll stay MLSN2

Gerrymandering works in Texas, not youth soccer. Give it up

You are all over the place. What the PP is talking about is the different cutoffs within MLSN create vastly different tracks for good Aug-Dec players and will be quite easy for them to get stuck on unless the selection process this spring has a crystal ball.

Good Players aren't worried about getting stuck anywhere

Again, you are too focused on thumping your chest for some strange reason. only 18 or so kids on MLSN1 team. If there are two players of equal talent, one born in October, the other born in March, nearly all coaches would pick the March kid. So the October kid is forced to move down an age category AND on a lower tier team, that is terminally bad for development and cannot be denied.

My kid's coach has no idea what month the kids are born until the parents bring cupcakes after a practice or game

That's the problem. Coaches have no idea the birth months so they inadvertently favor the older kids. You hit the nail on the head. We have a huge coach problem in the US.

No, they give the spaces to the quality kids they want who earned it

and who earns it? mostly the Q1 and Q2 players. Go ask any parent from an MLSN1 HG and ECNL-N team and they confirm guarantee

Which coach is picking the March kid who has bad touch, low IQ over the October kid superior in those areas?

Do you really want your kid with such a coach anyway?

Those touches and soccer iq are all because of rae. So is everything else.

The adults are speaking

Its rae's fault the adults are talking

We understand you don't believe RAE exists and there is no difference between calendar age and biological age and every kid are at the same maturation rate if they're born in the same year.
Even if they're 11 months apart

We understand you don't believe in any of that factual hocus-pocus

Oh god, its raes fault that I dont belive rae exists.

It's an infection in this country that people like this are so confident not only in their ill-informed opinions but proud of their lack of thought and nuance. People who refuse to listen to science or reason because it's either too hard for them to grasp, or contrary to their world view, or think toughness is all we need, are a significant problem. There is an aversion to understanding and fixing problems. They'd rather ignore or just let those affected deal with problems, whether it's the climate, or income inequality, or evidently, RAE. RAE is relatively easy to understand (you would think), but also hard to fix. I posited above that changing the cutoff from 1/1 to 8/1 doesn't change RAE because it's still a year but I liked the explanation of RAE+ because of school groupings.

You are the only one that sounds closed minded. Others understand what RAE is and dont agree with it. You dont understand why people dont agree with rae. Or you discount it because you dont agree with them.

Can you find facts or research saying that the relative effect doesn't exist? Without that, you are a flat earther or someone who doesn't believe in man made climate change.

You missed the part that said "dont agree with it".

Also Ive never seen a rae study include B teams.

Can you find research proving the relative age effect with respect to soccer does not exist? You keep blowing smoke but provide no backing.

Most studies about rae are fron universities or funded by acadamies. The university studies focus on National teams the Academy funded studies are about finding talent. In both cases theres one top team usually grouped by age and no B team. This is why rae studies dont include B teams. Also B teams arent included because it diminishes the so called effects of rae especially if you follow B team players progress over time.

Just say no then. You couldn't find any studies saying RAE doesn't exist. Insightful that you noticed most studies come from universities. That's awesome observational skills.

Ok, no rae studies include B teams. Specifically because of the reasons posted previously.

Again, no have found no research has shown RAE does not exist so your statement that RAE doesn't exist and you saying others agree is false.

Correct I couldn't find any rea "research" that includes the affect of B teams.

Again, no have found no research has shown RAE does not exist so your statement that RAE doesn't exist and you saying others agree is false. You also are easily confused by research and struggle to properly define populations of study. It's ok, many are.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the main issue isn’t the particular age cutoff, some players will always be on the less physically mature side and eventually that will even out with hard work and athletic talent. But it’s the fact that this announcement makes it so it’s not apples to apples anymore. If you have Aug-Dec birthdays who are on MLSN2, say 2011 for example, and very close to MLSN1 2011s, and better than most of the MLSN12012s, if the age group change was consistent, many of these kids would make MLSN1. Now they are stuck being stronger players than the MLSN1 team at their grade level but unable to make the team because they were born in late 2011, but not quite mature enough for the MLSN1 the grade above with the other 2011s, and this gap may likely only increase since they now they will need to play down an age group on the second team, which will be a decreased level of competition, not the ideal way to get better.

It would be fine if everyone had the same age cutoff, but having a 5-month difference is ridiculous imo, especially if your club has both levels. It’s kind of like creating a new category of trapped players.

You're copying and pasting the same convoluted false equivalency nonsense from thread to thread

If your kid is good enough for MLS Next the coach/club is going to take him
They don't care what month he's born as long as he meets the cutoff criteria.

If he's not good enough for the team/club, he'll stay MLSN2

Gerrymandering works in Texas, not youth soccer. Give it up

You are all over the place. What the PP is talking about is the different cutoffs within MLSN create vastly different tracks for good Aug-Dec players and will be quite easy for them to get stuck on unless the selection process this spring has a crystal ball.

Good Players aren't worried about getting stuck anywhere

Again, you are too focused on thumping your chest for some strange reason. only 18 or so kids on MLSN1 team. If there are two players of equal talent, one born in October, the other born in March, nearly all coaches would pick the March kid. So the October kid is forced to move down an age category AND on a lower tier team, that is terminally bad for development and cannot be denied.

My kid's coach has no idea what month the kids are born until the parents bring cupcakes after a practice or game

That's the problem. Coaches have no idea the birth months so they inadvertently favor the older kids. You hit the nail on the head. We have a huge coach problem in the US.

No, they give the spaces to the quality kids they want who earned it

and who earns it? mostly the Q1 and Q2 players. Go ask any parent from an MLSN1 HG and ECNL-N team and they confirm guarantee

Which coach is picking the March kid who has bad touch, low IQ over the October kid superior in those areas?

Do you really want your kid with such a coach anyway?

Those touches and soccer iq are all because of rae. So is everything else.

The adults are speaking

Its rae's fault the adults are talking

We understand you don't believe RAE exists and there is no difference between calendar age and biological age and every kid are at the same maturation rate if they're born in the same year.
Even if they're 11 months apart

We understand you don't believe in any of that factual hocus-pocus

Oh god, its raes fault that I dont belive rae exists.

It's an infection in this country that people like this are so confident not only in their ill-informed opinions but proud of their lack of thought and nuance. People who refuse to listen to science or reason because it's either too hard for them to grasp, or contrary to their world view, or think toughness is all we need, are a significant problem. There is an aversion to understanding and fixing problems. They'd rather ignore or just let those affected deal with problems, whether it's the climate, or income inequality, or evidently, RAE. RAE is relatively easy to understand (you would think), but also hard to fix. I posited above that changing the cutoff from 1/1 to 8/1 doesn't change RAE because it's still a year but I liked the explanation of RAE+ because of school groupings.

You are the only one that sounds closed minded. Others understand what RAE is and dont agree with it. You dont understand why people dont agree with rae. Or you discount it because you dont agree with them.

Can you find facts or research saying that the relative effect doesn't exist? Without that, you are a flat earther or someone who doesn't believe in man made climate change.

You missed the part that said "dont agree with it".

Also Ive never seen a rae study include B teams.

Can you find research proving the relative age effect with respect to soccer does not exist? You keep blowing smoke but provide no backing.

Most studies about rae are fron universities or funded by acadamies. The university studies focus on National teams the Academy funded studies are about finding talent. In both cases theres one top team usually grouped by age and no B team. This is why rae studies dont include B teams. Also B teams arent included because it diminishes the so called effects of rae especially if you follow B team players progress over time.

Just say no then. You couldn't find any studies saying RAE doesn't exist. Insightful that you noticed most studies come from universities. That's awesome observational skills.

Ok, no rae studies include B teams. Specifically because of the reasons posted previously.

Again, no have found no research has shown RAE does not exist so your statement that RAE doesn't exist and you saying others agree is false.

Correct I couldn't find any rea "research" that includes the affect of B teams.

Again, no have found no research has shown RAE does not exist so your statement that RAE doesn't exist and you saying others agree is false. You also are easily confused by research and struggle to properly define populations of study. It's ok, many are.

Show me the rae article that tracks B team progress over multiple years. It doesnt exist because rae falls appart when you include B team players that work their way to the A team over time. Which is exactly why clubs have B teams. Its for $$$ but its also for players to develop in a less competitive environment. Ideally this will translate to playing on the A team when they're ready.

You use rae as a weapon to try an justify why your kid should be on an A team when they're not ready for it.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the main issue isn’t the particular age cutoff, some players will always be on the less physically mature side and eventually that will even out with hard work and athletic talent. But it’s the fact that this announcement makes it so it’s not apples to apples anymore. If you have Aug-Dec birthdays who are on MLSN2, say 2011 for example, and very close to MLSN1 2011s, and better than most of the MLSN12012s, if the age group change was consistent, many of these kids would make MLSN1. Now they are stuck being stronger players than the MLSN1 team at their grade level but unable to make the team because they were born in late 2011, but not quite mature enough for the MLSN1 the grade above with the other 2011s, and this gap may likely only increase since they now they will need to play down an age group on the second team, which will be a decreased level of competition, not the ideal way to get better.

It would be fine if everyone had the same age cutoff, but having a 5-month difference is ridiculous imo, especially if your club has both levels. It’s kind of like creating a new category of trapped players.

You're copying and pasting the same convoluted false equivalency nonsense from thread to thread

If your kid is good enough for MLS Next the coach/club is going to take him
They don't care what month he's born as long as he meets the cutoff criteria.

If he's not good enough for the team/club, he'll stay MLSN2

Gerrymandering works in Texas, not youth soccer. Give it up

You are all over the place. What the PP is talking about is the different cutoffs within MLSN create vastly different tracks for good Aug-Dec players and will be quite easy for them to get stuck on unless the selection process this spring has a crystal ball.

Good Players aren't worried about getting stuck anywhere

Again, you are too focused on thumping your chest for some strange reason. only 18 or so kids on MLSN1 team. If there are two players of equal talent, one born in October, the other born in March, nearly all coaches would pick the March kid. So the October kid is forced to move down an age category AND on a lower tier team, that is terminally bad for development and cannot be denied.

My kid's coach has no idea what month the kids are born until the parents bring cupcakes after a practice or game

That's the problem. Coaches have no idea the birth months so they inadvertently favor the older kids. You hit the nail on the head. We have a huge coach problem in the US.

No, they give the spaces to the quality kids they want who earned it

and who earns it? mostly the Q1 and Q2 players. Go ask any parent from an MLSN1 HG and ECNL-N team and they confirm guarantee

Which coach is picking the March kid who has bad touch, low IQ over the October kid superior in those areas?

Do you really want your kid with such a coach anyway?

Those touches and soccer iq are all because of rae. So is everything else.

The adults are speaking

Its rae's fault the adults are talking

We understand you don't believe RAE exists and there is no difference between calendar age and biological age and every kid are at the same maturation rate if they're born in the same year.
Even if they're 11 months apart

We understand you don't believe in any of that factual hocus-pocus

Oh god, its raes fault that I dont belive rae exists.

It's an infection in this country that people like this are so confident not only in their ill-informed opinions but proud of their lack of thought and nuance. People who refuse to listen to science or reason because it's either too hard for them to grasp, or contrary to their world view, or think toughness is all we need, are a significant problem. There is an aversion to understanding and fixing problems. They'd rather ignore or just let those affected deal with problems, whether it's the climate, or income inequality, or evidently, RAE. RAE is relatively easy to understand (you would think), but also hard to fix. I posited above that changing the cutoff from 1/1 to 8/1 doesn't change RAE because it's still a year but I liked the explanation of RAE+ because of school groupings.

You are the only one that sounds closed minded. Others understand what RAE is and dont agree with it. You dont understand why people dont agree with rae. Or you discount it because you dont agree with them.

Can you find facts or research saying that the relative effect doesn't exist? Without that, you are a flat earther or someone who doesn't believe in man made climate change.

You missed the part that said "dont agree with it".

Also Ive never seen a rae study include B teams.

Can you find research proving the relative age effect with respect to soccer does not exist? You keep blowing smoke but provide no backing.

Most studies about rae are fron universities or funded by acadamies. The university studies focus on National teams the Academy funded studies are about finding talent. In both cases theres one top team usually grouped by age and no B team. This is why rae studies dont include B teams. Also B teams arent included because it diminishes the so called effects of rae especially if you follow B team players progress over time.

Just say no then. You couldn't find any studies saying RAE doesn't exist. Insightful that you noticed most studies come from universities. That's awesome observational skills.

Ok, no rae studies include B teams. Specifically because of the reasons posted previously.

Again, no have found no research has shown RAE does not exist so your statement that RAE doesn't exist and you saying others agree is false.

Correct I couldn't find any rea "research" that includes the affect of B teams.

Again, no have found no research has shown RAE does not exist so your statement that RAE doesn't exist and you saying others agree is false. You also are easily confused by research and struggle to properly define populations of study. It's ok, many are.

Show me the rae article that tracks B team progress over multiple years. It doesnt exist because rae falls appart when you include B team players that work their way to the A team over time. Which is exactly why clubs have B teams. Its for $$$ but its also for players to develop in a less competitive environment. Ideally this will translate to playing on the A team when they're ready.

You use rae as a weapon to try an justify why your kid should be on an A team when they're not ready for it.

To illustrate that RAE falls apart with any confidence you would need to provide cites to studies to prove it. You haven't. Your inability to understand research doesn't make it wrong, it just makes you unqualified to comment correctly.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the main issue isn’t the particular age cutoff, some players will always be on the less physically mature side and eventually that will even out with hard work and athletic talent. But it’s the fact that this announcement makes it so it’s not apples to apples anymore. If you have Aug-Dec birthdays who are on MLSN2, say 2011 for example, and very close to MLSN1 2011s, and better than most of the MLSN12012s, if the age group change was consistent, many of these kids would make MLSN1. Now they are stuck being stronger players than the MLSN1 team at their grade level but unable to make the team because they were born in late 2011, but not quite mature enough for the MLSN1 the grade above with the other 2011s, and this gap may likely only increase since they now they will need to play down an age group on the second team, which will be a decreased level of competition, not the ideal way to get better.

It would be fine if everyone had the same age cutoff, but having a 5-month difference is ridiculous imo, especially if your club has both levels. It’s kind of like creating a new category of trapped players.

You're copying and pasting the same convoluted false equivalency nonsense from thread to thread

If your kid is good enough for MLS Next the coach/club is going to take him
They don't care what month he's born as long as he meets the cutoff criteria.

If he's not good enough for the team/club, he'll stay MLSN2

Gerrymandering works in Texas, not youth soccer. Give it up

You are all over the place. What the PP is talking about is the different cutoffs within MLSN create vastly different tracks for good Aug-Dec players and will be quite easy for them to get stuck on unless the selection process this spring has a crystal ball.

Good Players aren't worried about getting stuck anywhere

Again, you are too focused on thumping your chest for some strange reason. only 18 or so kids on MLSN1 team. If there are two players of equal talent, one born in October, the other born in March, nearly all coaches would pick the March kid. So the October kid is forced to move down an age category AND on a lower tier team, that is terminally bad for development and cannot be denied.

My kid's coach has no idea what month the kids are born until the parents bring cupcakes after a practice or game

That's the problem. Coaches have no idea the birth months so they inadvertently favor the older kids. You hit the nail on the head. We have a huge coach problem in the US.

No, they give the spaces to the quality kids they want who earned it

and who earns it? mostly the Q1 and Q2 players. Go ask any parent from an MLSN1 HG and ECNL-N team and they confirm guarantee

Which coach is picking the March kid who has bad touch, low IQ over the October kid superior in those areas?

Do you really want your kid with such a coach anyway?

Those touches and soccer iq are all because of rae. So is everything else.

The adults are speaking

Its rae's fault the adults are talking

We understand you don't believe RAE exists and there is no difference between calendar age and biological age and every kid are at the same maturation rate if they're born in the same year.
Even if they're 11 months apart

We understand you don't believe in any of that factual hocus-pocus

Oh god, its raes fault that I dont belive rae exists.

It's an infection in this country that people like this are so confident not only in their ill-informed opinions but proud of their lack of thought and nuance. People who refuse to listen to science or reason because it's either too hard for them to grasp, or contrary to their world view, or think toughness is all we need, are a significant problem. There is an aversion to understanding and fixing problems. They'd rather ignore or just let those affected deal with problems, whether it's the climate, or income inequality, or evidently, RAE. RAE is relatively easy to understand (you would think), but also hard to fix. I posited above that changing the cutoff from 1/1 to 8/1 doesn't change RAE because it's still a year but I liked the explanation of RAE+ because of school groupings.

You are the only one that sounds closed minded. Others understand what RAE is and dont agree with it. You dont understand why people dont agree with rae. Or you discount it because you dont agree with them.

Can you find facts or research saying that the relative effect doesn't exist? Without that, you are a flat earther or someone who doesn't believe in man made climate change.

You missed the part that said "dont agree with it".

Also Ive never seen a rae study include B teams.

Can you find research proving the relative age effect with respect to soccer does not exist? You keep blowing smoke but provide no backing.

Most studies about rae are fron universities or funded by acadamies. The university studies focus on National teams the Academy funded studies are about finding talent. In both cases theres one top team usually grouped by age and no B team. This is why rae studies dont include B teams. Also B teams arent included because it diminishes the so called effects of rae especially if you follow B team players progress over time.

Just say no then. You couldn't find any studies saying RAE doesn't exist. Insightful that you noticed most studies come from universities. That's awesome observational skills.

Ok, no rae studies include B teams. Specifically because of the reasons posted previously.

Again, no have found no research has shown RAE does not exist so your statement that RAE doesn't exist and you saying others agree is false.

Correct I couldn't find any rea "research" that includes the affect of B teams.

Again, no have found no research has shown RAE does not exist so your statement that RAE doesn't exist and you saying others agree is false. You also are easily confused by research and struggle to properly define populations of study. It's ok, many are.

Show me the rae article that tracks B team progress over multiple years. It doesnt exist because rae falls appart when you include B team players that work their way to the A team over time. Which is exactly why clubs have B teams. Its for $$$ but its also for players to develop in a less competitive environment. Ideally this will translate to playing on the A team when they're ready.

You use rae as a weapon to try an justify why your kid should be on an A team when they're not ready for it.

To illustrate that RAE falls apart with any confidence you would need to provide cites to studies to prove it. You haven't. Your inability to understand research doesn't make it wrong, it just makes you unqualified to comment correctly.

The proof is that there arent any rae studies that include B teams. Specifically there aren't any rae studies that include B to A team players over time.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the main issue isn’t the particular age cutoff, some players will always be on the less physically mature side and eventually that will even out with hard work and athletic talent. But it’s the fact that this announcement makes it so it’s not apples to apples anymore. If you have Aug-Dec birthdays who are on MLSN2, say 2011 for example, and very close to MLSN1 2011s, and better than most of the MLSN12012s, if the age group change was consistent, many of these kids would make MLSN1. Now they are stuck being stronger players than the MLSN1 team at their grade level but unable to make the team because they were born in late 2011, but not quite mature enough for the MLSN1 the grade above with the other 2011s, and this gap may likely only increase since they now they will need to play down an age group on the second team, which will be a decreased level of competition, not the ideal way to get better.

It would be fine if everyone had the same age cutoff, but having a 5-month difference is ridiculous imo, especially if your club has both levels. It’s kind of like creating a new category of trapped players.

You're copying and pasting the same convoluted false equivalency nonsense from thread to thread

If your kid is good enough for MLS Next the coach/club is going to take him
They don't care what month he's born as long as he meets the cutoff criteria.

If he's not good enough for the team/club, he'll stay MLSN2

Gerrymandering works in Texas, not youth soccer. Give it up

You are all over the place. What the PP is talking about is the different cutoffs within MLSN create vastly different tracks for good Aug-Dec players and will be quite easy for them to get stuck on unless the selection process this spring has a crystal ball.

Good Players aren't worried about getting stuck anywhere

Again, you are too focused on thumping your chest for some strange reason. only 18 or so kids on MLSN1 team. If there are two players of equal talent, one born in October, the other born in March, nearly all coaches would pick the March kid. So the October kid is forced to move down an age category AND on a lower tier team, that is terminally bad for development and cannot be denied.

My kid's coach has no idea what month the kids are born until the parents bring cupcakes after a practice or game

That's the problem. Coaches have no idea the birth months so they inadvertently favor the older kids. You hit the nail on the head. We have a huge coach problem in the US.

No, they give the spaces to the quality kids they want who earned it

and who earns it? mostly the Q1 and Q2 players. Go ask any parent from an MLSN1 HG and ECNL-N team and they confirm guarantee

Which coach is picking the March kid who has bad touch, low IQ over the October kid superior in those areas?

Do you really want your kid with such a coach anyway?

Those touches and soccer iq are all because of rae. So is everything else.

The adults are speaking

Its rae's fault the adults are talking

We understand you don't believe RAE exists and there is no difference between calendar age and biological age and every kid are at the same maturation rate if they're born in the same year.
Even if they're 11 months apart

We understand you don't believe in any of that factual hocus-pocus

Oh god, its raes fault that I dont belive rae exists.

It's an infection in this country that people like this are so confident not only in their ill-informed opinions but proud of their lack of thought and nuance. People who refuse to listen to science or reason because it's either too hard for them to grasp, or contrary to their world view, or think toughness is all we need, are a significant problem. There is an aversion to understanding and fixing problems. They'd rather ignore or just let those affected deal with problems, whether it's the climate, or income inequality, or evidently, RAE. RAE is relatively easy to understand (you would think), but also hard to fix. I posited above that changing the cutoff from 1/1 to 8/1 doesn't change RAE because it's still a year but I liked the explanation of RAE+ because of school groupings.

You are the only one that sounds closed minded. Others understand what RAE is and dont agree with it. You dont understand why people dont agree with rae. Or you discount it because you dont agree with them.

Can you find facts or research saying that the relative effect doesn't exist? Without that, you are a flat earther or someone who doesn't believe in man made climate change.

You missed the part that said "dont agree with it".

Also Ive never seen a rae study include B teams.

Can you find research proving the relative age effect with respect to soccer does not exist? You keep blowing smoke but provide no backing.

Most studies about rae are fron universities or funded by acadamies. The university studies focus on National teams the Academy funded studies are about finding talent. In both cases theres one top team usually grouped by age and no B team. This is why rae studies dont include B teams. Also B teams arent included because it diminishes the so called effects of rae especially if you follow B team players progress over time.

Just say no then. You couldn't find any studies saying RAE doesn't exist. Insightful that you noticed most studies come from universities. That's awesome observational skills.

Ok, no rae studies include B teams. Specifically because of the reasons posted previously.

Again, no have found no research has shown RAE does not exist so your statement that RAE doesn't exist and you saying others agree is false.

Correct I couldn't find any rea "research" that includes the affect of B teams.

Again, no have found no research has shown RAE does not exist so your statement that RAE doesn't exist and you saying others agree is false. You also are easily confused by research and struggle to properly define populations of study. It's ok, many are.

Show me the rae article that tracks B team progress over multiple years. It doesnt exist because rae falls appart when you include B team players that work their way to the A team over time. Which is exactly why clubs have B teams. Its for $$$ but its also for players to develop in a less competitive environment. Ideally this will translate to playing on the A team when they're ready.

You use rae as a weapon to try an justify why your kid should be on an A team when they're not ready for it.

To illustrate that RAE falls apart with any confidence you would need to provide cites to studies to prove it. You haven't. Your inability to understand research doesn't make it wrong, it just makes you unqualified to comment correctly.

The proof is that there arent any rae studies that include B teams. Specifically there aren't any rae studies that include B to A team players over time.

Your position lacks defense.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't think you can be promoted to the 1st team from the 2nd team, you are doing your child a disservice. Your child may not have the habits to develop into a 1st team player but you are selling your child short on the 1st team or bust bandwagon. My kid was no where near a 1st-3rd team baller when we started and we comfortably play MLS Next 1 now.

This WOULD have been possible in the current system.

It's no longer possible now that the MLS genious team decided to have their A team be BY and B team be SY. Now the whole thing is a farce.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My .02

ECNL and MLSN AD are now EXACTLY the same thing.

Let's reframe---MLS AD has always been ECRL--and will continue to be, because they can't be MLS HG.

All the MLS 2 clubs who were annointed in August were previously ECRL, NAL, EDP or whatever 2nd tier league. They are still there.

St, James, McLean, the list goes on. These are all Tier 2 ECRL level teams. Case in point. McLean was ECRL just 6 months ago and St. James was EDP just 6 months ago.

Nice try though.

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Anonymous wrote:My .02

ECNL and MLSN AD are now EXACTLY the same thing.

Let's reframe---MLS AD has always been ECRL--and will continue to be, because they can't be MLS HG.

All the MLS 2 clubs who were annointed in August were previously ECRL, NAL, EDP or whatever 2nd tier league. They are still there.

St, James, McLean, the list goes on. These are all Tier 2 ECRL level teams. Case in point. McLean was ECRL just 6 months ago and St. James was EDP just 6 months ago.

Nice try though.

I do think Mlsn 2 is a potential new landing spot for some top team players who want to play high school. It will water down mlsn1 as those will be players whose parents can handle the insane travel.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the main issue isn’t the particular age cutoff, some players will always be on the less physically mature side and eventually that will even out with hard work and athletic talent. But it’s the fact that this announcement makes it so it’s not apples to apples anymore. If you have Aug-Dec birthdays who are on MLSN2, say 2011 for example, and very close to MLSN1 2011s, and better than most of the MLSN12012s, if the age group change was consistent, many of these kids would make MLSN1. Now they are stuck being stronger players than the MLSN1 team at their grade level but unable to make the team because they were born in late 2011, but not quite mature enough for the MLSN1 the grade above with the other 2011s, and this gap may likely only increase since they now they will need to play down an age group on the second team, which will be a decreased level of competition, not the ideal way to get better.

It would be fine if everyone had the same age cutoff, but having a 5-month difference is ridiculous imo, especially if your club has both levels. It’s kind of like creating a new category of trapped players.

You're copying and pasting the same convoluted false equivalency nonsense from thread to thread

If your kid is good enough for MLS Next the coach/club is going to take him
They don't care what month he's born as long as he meets the cutoff criteria.

If he's not good enough for the team/club, he'll stay MLSN2

Gerrymandering works in Texas, not youth soccer. Give it up

You are all over the place. What the PP is talking about is the different cutoffs within MLSN create vastly different tracks for good Aug-Dec players and will be quite easy for them to get stuck on unless the selection process this spring has a crystal ball.

Good Players aren't worried about getting stuck anywhere

Again, you are too focused on thumping your chest for some strange reason. only 18 or so kids on MLSN1 team. If there are two players of equal talent, one born in October, the other born in March, nearly all coaches would pick the March kid. So the October kid is forced to move down an age category AND on a lower tier team, that is terminally bad for development and cannot be denied.

My kid's coach has no idea what month the kids are born until the parents bring cupcakes after a practice or game

That's the problem. Coaches have no idea the birth months so they inadvertently favor the older kids. You hit the nail on the head. We have a huge coach problem in the US.

No, they give the spaces to the quality kids they want who earned it

and who earns it? mostly the Q1 and Q2 players. Go ask any parent from an MLSN1 HG and ECNL-N team and they confirm guarantee

Which coach is picking the March kid who has bad touch, low IQ over the October kid superior in those areas?

Do you really want your kid with such a coach anyway?

Those touches and soccer iq are all because of rae. So is everything else.

The adults are speaking

Its rae's fault the adults are talking

We understand you don't believe RAE exists and there is no difference between calendar age and biological age and every kid are at the same maturation rate if they're born in the same year.
Even if they're 11 months apart

We understand you don't believe in any of that factual hocus-pocus

Oh god, its raes fault that I dont belive rae exists.

It's an infection in this country that people like this are so confident not only in their ill-informed opinions but proud of their lack of thought and nuance. People who refuse to listen to science or reason because it's either too hard for them to grasp, or contrary to their world view, or think toughness is all we need, are a significant problem. There is an aversion to understanding and fixing problems. They'd rather ignore or just let those affected deal with problems, whether it's the climate, or income inequality, or evidently, RAE. RAE is relatively easy to understand (you would think), but also hard to fix. I posited above that changing the cutoff from 1/1 to 8/1 doesn't change RAE because it's still a year but I liked the explanation of RAE+ because of school groupings.

You are the only one that sounds closed minded. Others understand what RAE is and dont agree with it. You dont understand why people dont agree with rae. Or you discount it because you dont agree with them.

Can you find facts or research saying that the relative effect doesn't exist? Without that, you are a flat earther or someone who doesn't believe in man made climate change.

You missed the part that said "dont agree with it".

Also Ive never seen a rae study include B teams.

Can you find research proving the relative age effect with respect to soccer does not exist? You keep blowing smoke but provide no backing.

Most studies about rae are fron universities or funded by acadamies. The university studies focus on National teams the Academy funded studies are about finding talent. In both cases theres one top team usually grouped by age and no B team. This is why rae studies dont include B teams. Also B teams arent included because it diminishes the so called effects of rae especially if you follow B team players progress over time.

Just say no then. You couldn't find any studies saying RAE doesn't exist. Insightful that you noticed most studies come from universities. That's awesome observational skills.

Ok, no rae studies include B teams. Specifically because of the reasons posted previously.

Again, no have found no research has shown RAE does not exist so your statement that RAE doesn't exist and you saying others agree is false.

Correct I couldn't find any rea "research" that includes the affect of B teams.

Again, no have found no research has shown RAE does not exist so your statement that RAE doesn't exist and you saying others agree is false. You also are easily confused by research and struggle to properly define populations of study. It's ok, many are.

Show me the rae article that tracks B team progress over multiple years. It doesnt exist because rae falls appart when you include B team players that work their way to the A team over time. Which is exactly why clubs have B teams. Its for $$$ but its also for players to develop in a less competitive environment. Ideally this will translate to playing on the A team when they're ready.

You use rae as a weapon to try an justify why your kid should be on an A team when they're not ready for it.

To illustrate that RAE falls apart with any confidence you would need to provide cites to studies to prove it. You haven't. Your inability to understand research doesn't make it wrong, it just makes you unqualified to comment correctly.

The proof is that there arent any rae studies that include B teams. Specifically there aren't any rae studies that include B to A team players over time.

How does RAE exclude B teams when it focuses on all players to address the issue of early versus late developers?

Are B team and C team and D team players android robots made in a lab?

[Anonymous]

Does this decision make Mlsn hg u13 5 months younger than u13 academy now? What options for Mlsn for a November 2014 kid next season?

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Anonymous wrote:I think the main issue isn’t the particular age cutoff, some players will always be on the less physically mature side and eventually that will even out with hard work and athletic talent. But it’s the fact that this announcement makes it so it’s not apples to apples anymore. If you have Aug-Dec birthdays who are on MLSN2, say 2011 for example, and very close to MLSN1 2011s, and better than most of the MLSN12012s, if the age group change was consistent, many of these kids would make MLSN1. Now they are stuck being stronger players than the MLSN1 team at their grade level but unable to make the team because they were born in late 2011, but not quite mature enough for the MLSN1 the grade above with the other 2011s, and this gap may likely only increase since they now they will need to play down an age group on the second team, which will be a decreased level of competition, not the ideal way to get better.

It would be fine if everyone had the same age cutoff, but having a 5-month difference is ridiculous imo, especially if your club has both levels. It’s kind of like creating a new category of trapped players.

You're copying and pasting the same convoluted false equivalency nonsense from thread to thread

If your kid is good enough for MLS Next the coach/club is going to take him
They don't care what month he's born as long as he meets the cutoff criteria.

If he's not good enough for the team/club, he'll stay MLSN2

Gerrymandering works in Texas, not youth soccer. Give it up

You are all over the place. What the PP is talking about is the different cutoffs within MLSN create vastly different tracks for good Aug-Dec players and will be quite easy for them to get stuck on unless the selection process this spring has a crystal ball.

Good Players aren't worried about getting stuck anywhere

Again, you are too focused on thumping your chest for some strange reason. only 18 or so kids on MLSN1 team. If there are two players of equal talent, one born in October, the other born in March, nearly all coaches would pick the March kid. So the October kid is forced to move down an age category AND on a lower tier team, that is terminally bad for development and cannot be denied.

My kid's coach has no idea what month the kids are born until the parents bring cupcakes after a practice or game

That's the problem. Coaches have no idea the birth months so they inadvertently favor the older kids. You hit the nail on the head. We have a huge coach problem in the US.

No, they give the spaces to the quality kids they want who earned it

and who earns it? mostly the Q1 and Q2 players. Go ask any parent from an MLSN1 HG and ECNL-N team and they confirm guarantee

Which coach is picking the March kid who has bad touch, low IQ over the October kid superior in those areas?

Do you really want your kid with such a coach anyway?

Those touches and soccer iq are all because of rae. So is everything else.

The adults are speaking

Its rae's fault the adults are talking

We understand you don't believe RAE exists and there is no difference between calendar age and biological age and every kid are at the same maturation rate if they're born in the same year.
Even if they're 11 months apart

We understand you don't believe in any of that factual hocus-pocus

Oh god, its raes fault that I dont belive rae exists.

It's an infection in this country that people like this are so confident not only in their ill-informed opinions but proud of their lack of thought and nuance. People who refuse to listen to science or reason because it's either too hard for them to grasp, or contrary to their world view, or think toughness is all we need, are a significant problem. There is an aversion to understanding and fixing problems. They'd rather ignore or just let those affected deal with problems, whether it's the climate, or income inequality, or evidently, RAE. RAE is relatively easy to understand (you would think), but also hard to fix. I posited above that changing the cutoff from 1/1 to 8/1 doesn't change RAE because it's still a year but I liked the explanation of RAE+ because of school groupings.

You are the only one that sounds closed minded. Others understand what RAE is and dont agree with it. You dont understand why people dont agree with rae. Or you discount it because you dont agree with them.

Here it is. Exactly. You don't agree with it? Explain why you don't agree with it in the face of the overwhelming majority of research showing that it exists.

It exists. I just don’t give it credence in my life as it amounts to an excuse. If I succumb to it, should me and my child accept less results based on a birthday? Throw away all plans and aspirations to the fact my child will not succeed in MLS Next because he is a Q4?

Are you aware every advantage has an equal and opposite disadvantage?

Yes, a popular 2013 kid is born in April and boasts about “playing up”. Great marketing and he will be in DCUA. He is closer to some of those 2012’s than my December kid is to his own age group. Nobody really cares.

Your kids screen time, video game usage have way more of an impact than RAE these days.

I acknowledge RAS exists but really don’t give a s—-

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does this decision make Mlsn hg u13 5 months younger than u13 academy now? What options for Mlsn for a November 2014 kid next season?

I think it means that if your kid doesn't make the u13 HG team next year, they would do their u12 season again. Bc they would be too young for the other u13 teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does this decision make Mlsn hg u13 5 months younger than u13 academy now? What options for Mlsn for a November 2014 kid next season?

Here are my preferred choices depending on the quality of talent during tryout season as a parent of a December 2014 kid:

U12 NAL - 9v9
U12 Pre-ECNL - 9v9
U13 HG - 11v11
U13 ECNL - 11v11 (playing up against 8/13-7/14)
U13 AD - 11v11 (playing up against 8/13-7/14)

I prefer to stay 9v9 but it will all depend on where the talent goes honestly and where my kid is challenged.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the main issue isn’t the particular age cutoff, some players will always be on the less physically mature side and eventually that will even out with hard work and athletic talent. But it’s the fact that this announcement makes it so it’s not apples to apples anymore. If you have Aug-Dec birthdays who are on MLSN2, say 2011 for example, and very close to MLSN1 2011s, and better than most of the MLSN12012s, if the age group change was consistent, many of these kids would make MLSN1. Now they are stuck being stronger players than the MLSN1 team at their grade level but unable to make the team because they were born in late 2011, but not quite mature enough for the MLSN1 the grade above with the other 2011s, and this gap may likely only increase since they now they will need to play down an age group on the second team, which will be a decreased level of competition, not the ideal way to get better.

It would be fine if everyone had the same age cutoff, but having a 5-month difference is ridiculous imo, especially if your club has both levels. It’s kind of like creating a new category of trapped players.

You're copying and pasting the same convoluted false equivalency nonsense from thread to thread

If your kid is good enough for MLS Next the coach/club is going to take him
They don't care what month he's born as long as he meets the cutoff criteria.

If he's not good enough for the team/club, he'll stay MLSN2

Gerrymandering works in Texas, not youth soccer. Give it up

You are all over the place. What the PP is talking about is the different cutoffs within MLSN create vastly different tracks for good Aug-Dec players and will be quite easy for them to get stuck on unless the selection process this spring has a crystal ball.

Good Players aren't worried about getting stuck anywhere

Again, you are too focused on thumping your chest for some strange reason. only 18 or so kids on MLSN1 team. If there are two players of equal talent, one born in October, the other born in March, nearly all coaches would pick the March kid. So the October kid is forced to move down an age category AND on a lower tier team, that is terminally bad for development and cannot be denied.

My kid's coach has no idea what month the kids are born until the parents bring cupcakes after a practice or game

That's the problem. Coaches have no idea the birth months so they inadvertently favor the older kids. You hit the nail on the head. We have a huge coach problem in the US.

No, they give the spaces to the quality kids they want who earned it

and who earns it? mostly the Q1 and Q2 players. Go ask any parent from an MLSN1 HG and ECNL-N team and they confirm guarantee

Which coach is picking the March kid who has bad touch, low IQ over the October kid superior in those areas?

Do you really want your kid with such a coach anyway?

Those touches and soccer iq are all because of rae. So is everything else.

The adults are speaking

Its rae's fault the adults are talking

We understand you don't believe RAE exists and there is no difference between calendar age and biological age and every kid are at the same maturation rate if they're born in the same year.
Even if they're 11 months apart

We understand you don't believe in any of that factual hocus-pocus

Oh god, its raes fault that I dont belive rae exists.

It's an infection in this country that people like this are so confident not only in their ill-informed opinions but proud of their lack of thought and nuance. People who refuse to listen to science or reason because it's either too hard for them to grasp, or contrary to their world view, or think toughness is all we need, are a significant problem. There is an aversion to understanding and fixing problems. They'd rather ignore or just let those affected deal with problems, whether it's the climate, or income inequality, or evidently, RAE. RAE is relatively easy to understand (you would think), but also hard to fix. I posited above that changing the cutoff from 1/1 to 8/1 doesn't change RAE because it's still a year but I liked the explanation of RAE+ because of school groupings.

You are the only one that sounds closed minded. Others understand what RAE is and dont agree with it. You dont understand why people dont agree with rae. Or you discount it because you dont agree with them.

Here it is. Exactly. You don't agree with it? Explain why you don't agree with it in the face of the overwhelming majority of research showing that it exists.

It exists. I just don’t give it credence in my life as it amounts to an excuse. If I succumb to it, should me and my child accept less results based on a birthday? Throw away all plans and aspirations to the fact my child will not succeed in MLS Next because he is a Q4?

Are you aware every advantage has an equal and opposite disadvantage?

Yes, a popular 2013 kid is born in April and boasts about “playing up”. Great marketing and he will be in DCUA. He is closer to some of those 2012’s than my December kid is to his own age group. Nobody really cares.

Your kids screen time, video game usage have way more of an impact than RAE these days.

I acknowledge RAS exists but really don’t give a s—-

Your entire crusade against RAE, that you admit is real, is a personal beef you have about a specific 2013 April kid that's outperforming your December kid?

At least you confessed your irrational comments come from an emotional place

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Anonymous wrote:I think the main issue isn’t the particular age cutoff, some players will always be on the less physically mature side and eventually that will even out with hard work and athletic talent. But it’s the fact that this announcement makes it so it’s not apples to apples anymore. If you have Aug-Dec birthdays who are on MLSN2, say 2011 for example, and very close to MLSN1 2011s, and better than most of the MLSN12012s, if the age group change was consistent, many of these kids would make MLSN1. Now they are stuck being stronger players than the MLSN1 team at their grade level but unable to make the team because they were born in late 2011, but not quite mature enough for the MLSN1 the grade above with the other 2011s, and this gap may likely only increase since they now they will need to play down an age group on the second team, which will be a decreased level of competition, not the ideal way to get better.

It would be fine if everyone had the same age cutoff, but having a 5-month difference is ridiculous imo, especially if your club has both levels. It’s kind of like creating a new category of trapped players.

You're copying and pasting the same convoluted false equivalency nonsense from thread to thread

If your kid is good enough for MLS Next the coach/club is going to take him
They don't care what month he's born as long as he meets the cutoff criteria.

If he's not good enough for the team/club, he'll stay MLSN2

Gerrymandering works in Texas, not youth soccer. Give it up

You are all over the place. What the PP is talking about is the different cutoffs within MLSN create vastly different tracks for good Aug-Dec players and will be quite easy for them to get stuck on unless the selection process this spring has a crystal ball.

Good Players aren't worried about getting stuck anywhere

Again, you are too focused on thumping your chest for some strange reason. only 18 or so kids on MLSN1 team. If there are two players of equal talent, one born in October, the other born in March, nearly all coaches would pick the March kid. So the October kid is forced to move down an age category AND on a lower tier team, that is terminally bad for development and cannot be denied.

My kid's coach has no idea what month the kids are born until the parents bring cupcakes after a practice or game

That's the problem. Coaches have no idea the birth months so they inadvertently favor the older kids. You hit the nail on the head. We have a huge coach problem in the US.

No, they give the spaces to the quality kids they want who earned it

and who earns it? mostly the Q1 and Q2 players. Go ask any parent from an MLSN1 HG and ECNL-N team and they confirm guarantee

Which coach is picking the March kid who has bad touch, low IQ over the October kid superior in those areas?

Do you really want your kid with such a coach anyway?

Those touches and soccer iq are all because of rae. So is everything else.

The adults are speaking

Its rae's fault the adults are talking

We understand you don't believe RAE exists and there is no difference between calendar age and biological age and every kid are at the same maturation rate if they're born in the same year.
Even if they're 11 months apart

We understand you don't believe in any of that factual hocus-pocus

Oh god, its raes fault that I dont belive rae exists.

It's an infection in this country that people like this are so confident not only in their ill-informed opinions but proud of their lack of thought and nuance. People who refuse to listen to science or reason because it's either too hard for them to grasp, or contrary to their world view, or think toughness is all we need, are a significant problem. There is an aversion to understanding and fixing problems. They'd rather ignore or just let those affected deal with problems, whether it's the climate, or income inequality, or evidently, RAE. RAE is relatively easy to understand (you would think), but also hard to fix. I posited above that changing the cutoff from 1/1 to 8/1 doesn't change RAE because it's still a year but I liked the explanation of RAE+ because of school groupings.

You are the only one that sounds closed minded. Others understand what RAE is and dont agree with it. You dont understand why people dont agree with rae. Or you discount it because you dont agree with them.

Here it is. Exactly. You don't agree with it? Explain why you don't agree with it in the face of the overwhelming majority of research showing that it exists.

It exists. I just don’t give it credence in my life as it amounts to an excuse. If I succumb to it, should me and my child accept less results based on a birthday? Throw away all plans and aspirations to the fact my child will not succeed in MLS Next because he is a Q4?

Are you aware every advantage has an equal and opposite disadvantage?

Yes, a popular 2013 kid is born in April and boasts about “playing up”. Great marketing and he will be in DCUA. He is closer to some of those 2012’s than my December kid is to his own age group. Nobody really cares.

Your kids screen time, video game usage have way more of an impact than RAE these days.

I acknowledge RAS exists but really don’t give a s—-

Your entire crusade against RAE, that you admit is real, is a personal beef you have about a specific 2013 April kid that's outperforming your December kid?

At least you confessed your irrational comments come from an emotional place

You dont even realize that multiple people are telling you that rae is BS and a super excuse.