Antizionism is not antisemitism/the current conflict

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Anonymous wrote:I consider white skinned jews white people and the white jews I know personally consider themselves white afaik and are quite happy successful individuals. Very connected and have a great sense community, unlike many others. They drive fancy cars and have fancy beach homes, the ladies get brazilian blowouts and plastic surgery and designer clothes. The kids go to pricey camps and clubs and jave the best of everything.

You sound jealous lol

No but there’s no doubt that they consider themselves white. They’re whiter than white.

And there it is. “Whiter than white.” From the brilliant book “Jews Don’t Count”:

“… racists say Jews aren’t white. Problem is, progressives, in general, tend to think they are white and, therefore, not really deserving of the protections progressive movements offer to non-white people facing racism. In some cases, Jews and Jewishness are used to signify even greater whiteness than normal.”

I mean many are wealthy people with white skin, with european ancestry.

There what is? Jewish people with white skin can and do pass as white because they are white and reap the benefits of being white, genuis.

Ok just call them white then. Why call them “whiter than white”? Explain yourself.

I mean my jewish friends/acquaintances remind me of the wasps of the mid 1900s US. Very exclusive country club-ish, posh, privileged, exquisite, lovely, luxurious life. They attend exclusive schools and universities and have connections and networking most can only dream of.

Ok got it. So to you white = rich, and Jews are ultra rich.

Do you think that protects them from antisemitism?

I don’t know? How are the wealthy extremely connected white jews I know affected by antisemitism? They have more support and a stronger network than anyone else I know.

Maybe ask them if you don’t know instead of assuming.

You say they remind you of the WASPs of the mid 1900s. Funny thing about those WASPs is that they discriminated against Jews, including rich Jews. Jews were prohibited from joining country clubs, and established their own for that reason. Woodmont Country Club right here in Rockville, Maryland was founded in 1913 when Jews were prohibited from joining other clubs in the Washington, D.C., area.

Well the tide has turned. The pendulum has swung.

It can swing back at any time. That’s the point.

But it hasn’t yet so unless you have a crystal ball this is impossible to predict. There should be a happy medium where everyone is treated equally.

You can see how this might come across to Jewish people though right? “Sure you’ve been discriminated against in basically every society you’ve been able to find some stability for your entire history, but this time is different, we promise.” [goes on to talk about how all Jews are ultra wealthy and live fabulous lives of luxury]

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Anonymous wrote:I consider white skinned jews white people and the white jews I know personally consider themselves white afaik and are quite happy successful individuals. Very connected and have a great sense community, unlike many others. They drive fancy cars and have fancy beach homes, the ladies get brazilian blowouts and plastic surgery and designer clothes. The kids go to pricey camps and clubs and jave the best of everything.

This is definitely very relevant to the question of whether most Israeli Jews are white.

I mean, am I wrong for thinking white Americans jews consider themselves white? The white American jews I know are proud zionists and look white, act white, only really associate with wealthy people, preferably other wealthy white jewish people.They travel to Israel often have family in Israel, love Israel and display this fact by flying Israeli flags and supporting Israel signs everywhere. Which is fine. These are white people, are they not?

All the Jews you know fly to Israel often, have family in Israel, and fly the Israeli flag? I am Jewish and this doesn’t describe me or most Jews I’ve ever known.

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Anonymous wrote:I consider white skinned jews white people and the white jews I know personally consider themselves white afaik and are quite happy successful individuals. Very connected and have a great sense community, unlike many others. They drive fancy cars and have fancy beach homes, the ladies get brazilian blowouts and plastic surgery and designer clothes. The kids go to pricey camps and clubs and jave the best of everything.

You sound jealous lol

No but there’s no doubt that they consider themselves white. They’re whiter than white.

And there it is. “Whiter than white.” From the brilliant book “Jews Don’t Count”:

“… racists say Jews aren’t white. Problem is, progressives, in general, tend to think they are white and, therefore, not really deserving of the protections progressive movements offer to non-white people facing racism. In some cases, Jews and Jewishness are used to signify even greater whiteness than normal.”

I mean many are wealthy people with white skin, with european ancestry.

There what is? Jewish people with white skin can and do pass as white because they are white and reap the benefits of being white, genuis.

Ok just call them white then. Why call them “whiter than white”? Explain yourself.

I mean my jewish friends/acquaintances remind me of the wasps of the mid 1900s US. Very exclusive country club-ish, posh, privileged, exquisite, lovely, luxurious life. They attend exclusive schools and universities and have connections and networking most can only dream of.

Ok got it. So to you white = rich, and Jews are ultra rich.

Do you think that protects them from antisemitism?

I don’t know? How are the wealthy extremely connected white jews I know affected by antisemitism? They have more support and a stronger network than anyone else I know.

Maybe ask them if you don’t know instead of assuming.

You say they remind you of the WASPs of the mid 1900s. Funny thing about those WASPs is that they discriminated against Jews, including rich Jews. Jews were prohibited from joining country clubs, and established their own for that reason. Woodmont Country Club right here in Rockville, Maryland was founded in 1913 when Jews were prohibited from joining other clubs in the Washington, D.C., area.

Well the tide has turned. The pendulum has swung.

It can swing back at any time. That’s the point.

But it hasn’t yet so unless you have a crystal ball this is impossible to predict. There should be a happy medium where everyone is treated equally.

You can see how this might come across to Jewish people though right? “Sure you’ve been discriminated against in basically every society you’ve been able to find some stability for your entire history, but this time is different, we promise.” [goes on to talk about how all Jews are ultra wealthy and live fabulous lives of luxury]

We can agree that wealthy white american jews are not discriminated against anymore correct? Anymore than anyone else?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I consider white skinned jews white people and the white jews I know personally consider themselves white afaik and are quite happy successful individuals. Very connected and have a great sense community, unlike many others. They drive fancy cars and have fancy beach homes, the ladies get brazilian blowouts and plastic surgery and designer clothes. The kids go to pricey camps and clubs and jave the best of everything.

This is definitely very relevant to the question of whether most Israeli Jews are white.

I mean, am I wrong for thinking white Americans jews consider themselves white? The white American jews I know are proud zionists and look white, act white, only really associate with wealthy people, preferably other wealthy white jewish people.They travel to Israel often have family in Israel, love Israel and display this fact by flying Israeli flags and supporting Israel signs everywhere. Which is fine. These are white people, are they not?

All the Jews you know fly to Israel often, have family in Israel, and fly the Israeli flag? I am Jewish and this doesn’t describe me or most Jews I’ve ever known.

Well I must live in Little Israel then.

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Anonymous wrote:I consider white skinned jews white people and the white jews I know personally consider themselves white afaik and are quite happy successful individuals. Very connected and have a great sense community, unlike many others. They drive fancy cars and have fancy beach homes, the ladies get brazilian blowouts and plastic surgery and designer clothes. The kids go to pricey camps and clubs and jave the best of everything.

This is definitely very relevant to the question of whether most Israeli Jews are white.

I mean, am I wrong for thinking white Americans jews consider themselves white? The white American jews I know are proud zionists and look white, act white, only really associate with wealthy people, preferably other wealthy white jewish people.They travel to Israel often have family in Israel, love Israel and display this fact by flying Israeli flags and supporting Israel signs everywhere. Which is fine. These are white people, are they not?

All the Jews you know fly to Israel often, have family in Israel, and fly the Israeli flag? I am Jewish and this doesn’t describe me or most Jews I’ve ever known.

Well I must live in Little Israel then.

Their lives seem to revolve around their ethnoreligion and they seem to be uncomfortable associating with nonjews.

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Anonymous wrote:I consider white skinned jews white people and the white jews I know personally consider themselves white afaik and are quite happy successful individuals. Very connected and have a great sense community, unlike many others. They drive fancy cars and have fancy beach homes, the ladies get brazilian blowouts and plastic surgery and designer clothes. The kids go to pricey camps and clubs and jave the best of everything.

You sound jealous lol

No but there’s no doubt that they consider themselves white. They’re whiter than white.

And there it is. “Whiter than white.” From the brilliant book “Jews Don’t Count”:

“… racists say Jews aren’t white. Problem is, progressives, in general, tend to think they are white and, therefore, not really deserving of the protections progressive movements offer to non-white people facing racism. In some cases, Jews and Jewishness are used to signify even greater whiteness than normal.”

I mean many are wealthy people with white skin, with european ancestry.

There what is? Jewish people with white skin can and do pass as white because they are white and reap the benefits of being white, genuis.

Ok just call them white then. Why call them “whiter than white”? Explain yourself.

I mean my jewish friends/acquaintances remind me of the wasps of the mid 1900s US. Very exclusive country club-ish, posh, privileged, exquisite, lovely, luxurious life. They attend exclusive schools and universities and have connections and networking most can only dream of.

Ok got it. So to you white = rich, and Jews are ultra rich.

Do you think that protects them from antisemitism?

I don’t know? How are the wealthy extremely connected white jews I know affected by antisemitism? They have more support and a stronger network than anyone else I know.

Maybe ask them if you don’t know instead of assuming.

You say they remind you of the WASPs of the mid 1900s. Funny thing about those WASPs is that they discriminated against Jews, including rich Jews. Jews were prohibited from joining country clubs, and established their own for that reason. Woodmont Country Club right here in Rockville, Maryland was founded in 1913 when Jews were prohibited from joining other clubs in the Washington, D.C., area.

Well the tide has turned. The pendulum has swung.

It can swing back at any time. That’s the point.

But it hasn’t yet so unless you have a crystal ball this is impossible to predict. There should be a happy medium where everyone is treated equally.

You can see how this might come across to Jewish people though right? “Sure you’ve been discriminated against in basically every society you’ve been able to find some stability for your entire history, but this time is different, we promise.” [goes on to talk about how all Jews are ultra wealthy and live fabulous lives of luxury]

We can agree that wealthy white american jews are not discriminated against anymore correct? Anymore than anyone else?

No we absolutely cannot agree on that. You don’t even have to look beyond the DMV. You don’t even have to look beyond the last MONTH in the DMV. Two young people were shot dead in the street for being Jewish (the shooter had no awareness of any association they may or may not have had with Israel). A man with a knife was arrested outside my kids private Jewish school in Rockville screaming antisemitic slurs. What planet are you living on?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I consider white skinned jews white people and the white jews I know personally consider themselves white afaik and are quite happy successful individuals. Very connected and have a great sense community, unlike many others. They drive fancy cars and have fancy beach homes, the ladies get brazilian blowouts and plastic surgery and designer clothes. The kids go to pricey camps and clubs and jave the best of everything.

You sound jealous lol

No but there’s no doubt that they consider themselves white. They’re whiter than white.

And there it is. “Whiter than white.” From the brilliant book “Jews Don’t Count”:

“… racists say Jews aren’t white. Problem is, progressives, in general, tend to think they are white and, therefore, not really deserving of the protections progressive movements offer to non-white people facing racism. In some cases, Jews and Jewishness are used to signify even greater whiteness than normal.”

I mean many are wealthy people with white skin, with european ancestry.

There what is? Jewish people with white skin can and do pass as white because they are white and reap the benefits of being white, genuis.

Ok just call them white then. Why call them “whiter than white”? Explain yourself.

I mean my jewish friends/acquaintances remind me of the wasps of the mid 1900s US. Very exclusive country club-ish, posh, privileged, exquisite, lovely, luxurious life. They attend exclusive schools and universities and have connections and networking most can only dream of.

Ok got it. So to you white = rich, and Jews are ultra rich.

Do you think that protects them from antisemitism?

I don’t know? How are the wealthy extremely connected white jews I know affected by antisemitism? They have more support and a stronger network than anyone else I know.

Maybe ask them if you don’t know instead of assuming.

You say they remind you of the WASPs of the mid 1900s. Funny thing about those WASPs is that they discriminated against Jews, including rich Jews. Jews were prohibited from joining country clubs, and established their own for that reason. Woodmont Country Club right here in Rockville, Maryland was founded in 1913 when Jews were prohibited from joining other clubs in the Washington, D.C., area.

Well the tide has turned. The pendulum has swung.

It can swing back at any time. That’s the point.

But it hasn’t yet so unless you have a crystal ball this is impossible to predict. There should be a happy medium where everyone is treated equally.

You can see how this might come across to Jewish people though right? “Sure you’ve been discriminated against in basically every society you’ve been able to find some stability for your entire history, but this time is different, we promise.” [goes on to talk about how all Jews are ultra wealthy and live fabulous lives of luxury]

We can agree that wealthy white american jews are not discriminated against anymore correct? Anymore than anyone else?

No we absolutely cannot agree on that. You don’t even have to look beyond the DMV. You don’t even have to look beyond the last MONTH in the DMV. Two young people were shot dead in the street for being Jewish (the shooter had no awareness of any association they may or may not have had with Israel). A man with a knife was arrested outside my kids private Jewish school in Rockville screaming antisemitic slurs. What planet are you living on?

I live in Little Israel, a place in the NE close to NY.

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Anonymous wrote:I consider white skinned jews white people and the white jews I know personally consider themselves white afaik and are quite happy successful individuals. Very connected and have a great sense community, unlike many others. They drive fancy cars and have fancy beach homes, the ladies get brazilian blowouts and plastic surgery and designer clothes. The kids go to pricey camps and clubs and jave the best of everything.

You sound jealous lol

No but there’s no doubt that they consider themselves white. They’re whiter than white.

And there it is. “Whiter than white.” From the brilliant book “Jews Don’t Count”:

“… racists say Jews aren’t white. Problem is, progressives, in general, tend to think they are white and, therefore, not really deserving of the protections progressive movements offer to non-white people facing racism. In some cases, Jews and Jewishness are used to signify even greater whiteness than normal.”

I mean many are wealthy people with white skin, with european ancestry.

There what is? Jewish people with white skin can and do pass as white because they are white and reap the benefits of being white, genuis.

Ok just call them white then. Why call them “whiter than white”? Explain yourself.

I mean my jewish friends/acquaintances remind me of the wasps of the mid 1900s US. Very exclusive country club-ish, posh, privileged, exquisite, lovely, luxurious life. They attend exclusive schools and universities and have connections and networking most can only dream of.

Ok got it. So to you white = rich, and Jews are ultra rich.

Do you think that protects them from antisemitism?

I don’t know? How are the wealthy extremely connected white jews I know affected by antisemitism? They have more support and a stronger network than anyone else I know.

Maybe ask them if you don’t know instead of assuming.

You say they remind you of the WASPs of the mid 1900s. Funny thing about those WASPs is that they discriminated against Jews, including rich Jews. Jews were prohibited from joining country clubs, and established their own for that reason. Woodmont Country Club right here in Rockville, Maryland was founded in 1913 when Jews were prohibited from joining other clubs in the Washington, D.C., area.

Well the tide has turned. The pendulum has swung.

It can swing back at any time. That’s the point.

But it hasn’t yet so unless you have a crystal ball this is impossible to predict. There should be a happy medium where everyone is treated equally.

You can see how this might come across to Jewish people though right? “Sure you’ve been discriminated against in basically every society you’ve been able to find some stability for your entire history, but this time is different, we promise.” [goes on to talk about how all Jews are ultra wealthy and live fabulous lives of luxury]

We can agree that wealthy white american jews are not discriminated against anymore correct? Anymore than anyone else?

No we absolutely cannot agree on that. You don’t even have to look beyond the DMV. You don’t even have to look beyond the last MONTH in the DMV. Two young people were shot dead in the street for being Jewish (the shooter had no awareness of any association they may or may not have had with Israel). A man with a knife was arrested outside my kids private Jewish school in Rockville screaming antisemitic slurs. What planet are you living on?

While this is horrid and abhorrent I am living as a nonjew in heavily jewish area. I must have a different perspective than most.

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Anonymous wrote:I consider white skinned jews white people and the white jews I know personally consider themselves white afaik and are quite happy successful individuals. Very connected and have a great sense community, unlike many others. They drive fancy cars and have fancy beach homes, the ladies get brazilian blowouts and plastic surgery and designer clothes. The kids go to pricey camps and clubs and jave the best of everything.

This is definitely very relevant to the question of whether most Israeli Jews are white.

I mean, am I wrong for thinking white Americans jews consider themselves white? The white American jews I know are proud zionists and look white, act white, only really associate with wealthy people, preferably other wealthy white jewish people.They travel to Israel often have family in Israel, love Israel and display this fact by flying Israeli flags and supporting Israel signs everywhere. Which is fine. These are white people, are they not?

All the Jews you know fly to Israel often, have family in Israel, and fly the Israeli flag? I am Jewish and this doesn’t describe me or most Jews I’ve ever known.

Well I must live in Little Israel then.

Are any of these people actually Israeli? If not, you don’t live in Little Israel. I also suspect you’re exaggerating the number of Jews you know who do all these things, even if the most visible ones are very visible.

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Anonymous wrote:I consider white skinned jews white people and the white jews I know personally consider themselves white afaik and are quite happy successful individuals. Very connected and have a great sense community, unlike many others. They drive fancy cars and have fancy beach homes, the ladies get brazilian blowouts and plastic surgery and designer clothes. The kids go to pricey camps and clubs and jave the best of everything.

You sound jealous lol

No but there’s no doubt that they consider themselves white. They’re whiter than white.

And there it is. “Whiter than white.” From the brilliant book “Jews Don’t Count”:

“… racists say Jews aren’t white. Problem is, progressives, in general, tend to think they are white and, therefore, not really deserving of the protections progressive movements offer to non-white people facing racism. In some cases, Jews and Jewishness are used to signify even greater whiteness than normal.”

I mean many are wealthy people with white skin, with european ancestry.

There what is? Jewish people with white skin can and do pass as white because they are white and reap the benefits of being white, genuis.

Ok just call them white then. Why call them “whiter than white”? Explain yourself.

I mean my jewish friends/acquaintances remind me of the wasps of the mid 1900s US. Very exclusive country club-ish, posh, privileged, exquisite, lovely, luxurious life. They attend exclusive schools and universities and have connections and networking most can only dream of.

Ok got it. So to you white = rich, and Jews are ultra rich.

Do you think that protects them from antisemitism?

I don’t know? How are the wealthy extremely connected white jews I know affected by antisemitism? They have more support and a stronger network than anyone else I know.

Maybe ask them if you don’t know instead of assuming.

You say they remind you of the WASPs of the mid 1900s. Funny thing about those WASPs is that they discriminated against Jews, including rich Jews. Jews were prohibited from joining country clubs, and established their own for that reason. Woodmont Country Club right here in Rockville, Maryland was founded in 1913 when Jews were prohibited from joining other clubs in the Washington, D.C., area.

Well the tide has turned. The pendulum has swung.

It can swing back at any time. That’s the point.

But it hasn’t yet so unless you have a crystal ball this is impossible to predict. There should be a happy medium where everyone is treated equally.

You can see how this might come across to Jewish people though right? “Sure you’ve been discriminated against in basically every society you’ve been able to find some stability for your entire history, but this time is different, we promise.” [goes on to talk about how all Jews are ultra wealthy and live fabulous lives of luxury]

We can agree that wealthy white american jews are not discriminated against anymore correct? Anymore than anyone else?

Would you believe that not all white American Jews are wealthy?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I consider white skinned jews white people and the white jews I know personally consider themselves white afaik and are quite happy successful individuals. Very connected and have a great sense community, unlike many others. They drive fancy cars and have fancy beach homes, the ladies get brazilian blowouts and plastic surgery and designer clothes. The kids go to pricey camps and clubs and jave the best of everything.

This is definitely very relevant to the question of whether most Israeli Jews are white.

I mean, am I wrong for thinking white Americans jews consider themselves white? The white American jews I know are proud zionists and look white, act white, only really associate with wealthy people, preferably other wealthy white jewish people.They travel to Israel often have family in Israel, love Israel and display this fact by flying Israeli flags and supporting Israel signs everywhere. Which is fine. These are white people, are they not?

All the Jews you know fly to Israel often, have family in Israel, and fly the Israeli flag? I am Jewish and this doesn’t describe me or most Jews I’ve ever known.

Well I must live in Little Israel then.

Are any of these people actually Israeli? If not, you don’t live in Little Israel. I also suspect you’re exaggerating the number of Jews you know who do all these things, even if the most visible ones are very visible.

Yes, and Russian, Uzbek, Ukranian, etc. Many have relatives/friends in Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:I consider white skinned jews white people and the white jews I know personally consider themselves white afaik and are quite happy successful individuals. Very connected and have a great sense community, unlike many others. They drive fancy cars and have fancy beach homes, the ladies get brazilian blowouts and plastic surgery and designer clothes. The kids go to pricey camps and clubs and jave the best of everything.

You sound jealous lol

No but there’s no doubt that they consider themselves white. They’re whiter than white.

And there it is. “Whiter than white.” From the brilliant book “Jews Don’t Count”:

“… racists say Jews aren’t white. Problem is, progressives, in general, tend to think they are white and, therefore, not really deserving of the protections progressive movements offer to non-white people facing racism. In some cases, Jews and Jewishness are used to signify even greater whiteness than normal.”

I mean many are wealthy people with white skin, with european ancestry.

There what is? Jewish people with white skin can and do pass as white because they are white and reap the benefits of being white, genuis.

Ok just call them white then. Why call them “whiter than white”? Explain yourself.

I mean my jewish friends/acquaintances remind me of the wasps of the mid 1900s US. Very exclusive country club-ish, posh, privileged, exquisite, lovely, luxurious life. They attend exclusive schools and universities and have connections and networking most can only dream of.

Ok got it. So to you white = rich, and Jews are ultra rich.

Do you think that protects them from antisemitism?

I don’t know? How are the wealthy extremely connected white jews I know affected by antisemitism? They have more support and a stronger network than anyone else I know.

Maybe ask them if you don’t know instead of assuming.

You say they remind you of the WASPs of the mid 1900s. Funny thing about those WASPs is that they discriminated against Jews, including rich Jews. Jews were prohibited from joining country clubs, and established their own for that reason. Woodmont Country Club right here in Rockville, Maryland was founded in 1913 when Jews were prohibited from joining other clubs in the Washington, D.C., area.

Well the tide has turned. The pendulum has swung.

It can swing back at any time. That’s the point.

But it hasn’t yet so unless you have a crystal ball this is impossible to predict. There should be a happy medium where everyone is treated equally.

You can see how this might come across to Jewish people though right? “Sure you’ve been discriminated against in basically every society you’ve been able to find some stability for your entire history, but this time is different, we promise.” [goes on to talk about how all Jews are ultra wealthy and live fabulous lives of luxury]

We can agree that wealthy white american jews are not discriminated against anymore correct? Anymore than anyone else?

Would you believe that not all white American Jews are wealthy?

Where are the poor nonconnected lonely white jews? In Kansas I suppose? All they need to do is move to my town and they’ll be set for life.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I consider white skinned jews white people and the white jews I know personally consider themselves white afaik and are quite happy successful individuals. Very connected and have a great sense community, unlike many others. They drive fancy cars and have fancy beach homes, the ladies get brazilian blowouts and plastic surgery and designer clothes. The kids go to pricey camps and clubs and jave the best of everything.

You sound jealous lol

No but there’s no doubt that they consider themselves white. They’re whiter than white.

And there it is. “Whiter than white.” From the brilliant book “Jews Don’t Count”:

“… racists say Jews aren’t white. Problem is, progressives, in general, tend to think they are white and, therefore, not really deserving of the protections progressive movements offer to non-white people facing racism. In some cases, Jews and Jewishness are used to signify even greater whiteness than normal.”

I mean many are wealthy people with white skin, with european ancestry.

There what is? Jewish people with white skin can and do pass as white because they are white and reap the benefits of being white, genuis.

Ok just call them white then. Why call them “whiter than white”? Explain yourself.

I mean my jewish friends/acquaintances remind me of the wasps of the mid 1900s US. Very exclusive country club-ish, posh, privileged, exquisite, lovely, luxurious life. They attend exclusive schools and universities and have connections and networking most can only dream of.

Ok got it. So to you white = rich, and Jews are ultra rich.

Do you think that protects them from antisemitism?

I don’t know? How are the wealthy extremely connected white jews I know affected by antisemitism? They have more support and a stronger network than anyone else I know.

Maybe ask them if you don’t know instead of assuming.

You say they remind you of the WASPs of the mid 1900s. Funny thing about those WASPs is that they discriminated against Jews, including rich Jews. Jews were prohibited from joining country clubs, and established their own for that reason. Woodmont Country Club right here in Rockville, Maryland was founded in 1913 when Jews were prohibited from joining other clubs in the Washington, D.C., area.

Well the tide has turned. The pendulum has swung.

It can swing back at any time. That’s the point.

But it hasn’t yet so unless you have a crystal ball this is impossible to predict. There should be a happy medium where everyone is treated equally.

You can see how this might come across to Jewish people though right? “Sure you’ve been discriminated against in basically every society you’ve been able to find some stability for your entire history, but this time is different, we promise.” [goes on to talk about how all Jews are ultra wealthy and live fabulous lives of luxury]

We can agree that wealthy white american jews are not discriminated against anymore correct? Anymore than anyone else?

Would you believe that not all white American Jews are wealthy?

Where are the poor nonconnected lonely white jews? In Kansas I suppose? All they need to do is move to my town and they’ll be set for life.

Why is Jews’ wealth or lack thereof at all relevant to this discussion? We’ve established that wealthy Jews can be and do experience antisemitism despite their wealth (and sometimes because of it).

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Anonymous wrote:I consider white skinned jews white people and the white jews I know personally consider themselves white afaik and are quite happy successful individuals. Very connected and have a great sense community, unlike many others. They drive fancy cars and have fancy beach homes, the ladies get brazilian blowouts and plastic surgery and designer clothes. The kids go to pricey camps and clubs and jave the best of everything.

You sound jealous lol

No but there’s no doubt that they consider themselves white. They’re whiter than white.

And there it is. “Whiter than white.” From the brilliant book “Jews Don’t Count”:

“… racists say Jews aren’t white. Problem is, progressives, in general, tend to think they are white and, therefore, not really deserving of the protections progressive movements offer to non-white people facing racism. In some cases, Jews and Jewishness are used to signify even greater whiteness than normal.”

I mean many are wealthy people with white skin, with european ancestry.

There what is? Jewish people with white skin can and do pass as white because they are white and reap the benefits of being white, genuis.

Ok just call them white then. Why call them “whiter than white”? Explain yourself.

I mean my jewish friends/acquaintances remind me of the wasps of the mid 1900s US. Very exclusive country club-ish, posh, privileged, exquisite, lovely, luxurious life. They attend exclusive schools and universities and have connections and networking most can only dream of.

Ok got it. So to you white = rich, and Jews are ultra rich.

Do you think that protects them from antisemitism?

I don’t know? How are the wealthy extremely connected white jews I know affected by antisemitism? They have more support and a stronger network than anyone else I know.

Maybe ask them if you don’t know instead of assuming.

You say they remind you of the WASPs of the mid 1900s. Funny thing about those WASPs is that they discriminated against Jews, including rich Jews. Jews were prohibited from joining country clubs, and established their own for that reason. Woodmont Country Club right here in Rockville, Maryland was founded in 1913 when Jews were prohibited from joining other clubs in the Washington, D.C., area.

Well the tide has turned. The pendulum has swung.

It can swing back at any time. That’s the point.

But it hasn’t yet so unless you have a crystal ball this is impossible to predict. There should be a happy medium where everyone is treated equally.

You can see how this might come across to Jewish people though right? “Sure you’ve been discriminated against in basically every society you’ve been able to find some stability for your entire history, but this time is different, we promise.” [goes on to talk about how all Jews are ultra wealthy and live fabulous lives of luxury]

We can agree that wealthy white american jews are not discriminated against anymore correct? Anymore than anyone else?

Would you believe that not all white American Jews are wealthy?

Where are the poor nonconnected lonely white jews? In Kansas I suppose? All they need to do is move to my town and they’ll be set for life.

Why is Jews’ wealth or lack thereof at all relevant to this discussion? We’ve established that wealthy Jews can be and do experience antisemitism despite their wealth (and sometimes because of it).

How though? How do wealthy white American jews face antisemitism on a daily basis any more than any other American is experiencing discrimination of various forms?

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Anonymous wrote:I consider white skinned jews white people and the white jews I know personally consider themselves white afaik and are quite happy successful individuals. Very connected and have a great sense community, unlike many others. They drive fancy cars and have fancy beach homes, the ladies get brazilian blowouts and plastic surgery and designer clothes. The kids go to pricey camps and clubs and jave the best of everything.

You sound jealous lol

No but there’s no doubt that they consider themselves white. They’re whiter than white.

And there it is. “Whiter than white.” From the brilliant book “Jews Don’t Count”:

“… racists say Jews aren’t white. Problem is, progressives, in general, tend to think they are white and, therefore, not really deserving of the protections progressive movements offer to non-white people facing racism. In some cases, Jews and Jewishness are used to signify even greater whiteness than normal.”

I mean many are wealthy people with white skin, with european ancestry.

There what is? Jewish people with white skin can and do pass as white because they are white and reap the benefits of being white, genuis.

Ok just call them white then. Why call them “whiter than white”? Explain yourself.

I mean my jewish friends/acquaintances remind me of the wasps of the mid 1900s US. Very exclusive country club-ish, posh, privileged, exquisite, lovely, luxurious life. They attend exclusive schools and universities and have connections and networking most can only dream of.

Ok got it. So to you white = rich, and Jews are ultra rich.

Do you think that protects them from antisemitism?

I don’t know? How are the wealthy extremely connected white jews I know affected by antisemitism? They have more support and a stronger network than anyone else I know.

Maybe ask them if you don’t know instead of assuming.

You say they remind you of the WASPs of the mid 1900s. Funny thing about those WASPs is that they discriminated against Jews, including rich Jews. Jews were prohibited from joining country clubs, and established their own for that reason. Woodmont Country Club right here in Rockville, Maryland was founded in 1913 when Jews were prohibited from joining other clubs in the Washington, D.C., area.

Well the tide has turned. The pendulum has swung.

It can swing back at any time. That’s the point.

But it hasn’t yet so unless you have a crystal ball this is impossible to predict. There should be a happy medium where everyone is treated equally.

You can see how this might come across to Jewish people though right? “Sure you’ve been discriminated against in basically every society you’ve been able to find some stability for your entire history, but this time is different, we promise.” [goes on to talk about how all Jews are ultra wealthy and live fabulous lives of luxury]

We can agree that wealthy white american jews are not discriminated against anymore correct? Anymore than anyone else?

Would you believe that not all white American Jews are wealthy?

Where are the poor nonconnected lonely white jews? In Kansas I suppose? All they need to do is move to my town and they’ll be set for life.

Why is Jews’ wealth or lack thereof at all relevant to this discussion? We’ve established that wealthy Jews can be and do experience antisemitism despite their wealth (and sometimes because of it).

How though? How do wealthy white American jews face antisemitism on a daily basis any more than any other American is experiencing discrimination of various forms?

I literally just explained this above and you said it was abhorrent and horrific. Why are we going around in circles?