How is the elimination of APs going for your DC

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Anonymous wrote:I've had conversations with private college consultants, and they told us that elite colleges will still expect your kid to self-study for the AP exams. They view private schools as a marker of privilege and will not give them any allowances because of it.

Why would anyone need to take an AP exam? For example, if your kid gets college credits through dual enrollment, or IB, or another program. AP is not required by anyone.

You seem very new to this. There’s no college credit without the AP exam. IB can get credit, with the exam, but you have to be enrolled in an IB program to take it. Dual enrollment is a route for college credit, but it depends on what agreements the high school has with the (community) colleges.

AP is the only one that allows taking the class in private and getting college credit by exam.

Not new to this at all. My kid gets college credits through dual enrollment at a 4 year college, not a community college. Taking AP exams would be a waste of our time.

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Anonymous wrote:Because if in the right private school, the top colleges don’t need AP scores to know how good they are.

What do you mean?

$$$ > AP scores

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Anonymous wrote:I've had conversations with private college consultants, and they told us that elite colleges will still expect your kid to self-study for the AP exams. They view private schools as a marker of privilege and will not give them any allowances because of it.

Why would anyone need to take an AP exam? For example, if your kid gets college credits through dual enrollment, or IB, or another program. AP is not required by anyone.

You seem very new to this. There’s no college credit without the AP exam. IB can get credit, with the exam, but you have to be enrolled in an IB program to take it. Dual enrollment is a route for college credit, but it depends on what agreements the high school has with the (community) colleges.

AP is the only one that allows taking the class in private and getting college credit by exam.

Not new to this at all. My kid gets college credits through dual enrollment at a 4 year college, not a community college. Taking AP exams would be a waste of our time.

This is definitely not the norm and I seriously doubt it. Name the high school, the 4 year college and the classes. Most privates don’t have these arrangements in place.

Even so, it would be a huge hassle to commute to the college campus, for in person lectures, labs and exams.

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Anonymous wrote:Because if in the right private school, the top colleges don’t need AP scores to know how good they are.

What do you mean?

$$$ > AP scores

That not an amount you can afford. Varsity Blues parents paid up to $6M to get their kids in, and they had to cheat through the back door.

For the math challenged that’s $$$$$$$.

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Anonymous wrote:AP classes are like a McDonalds happy meal. They even throw in a little toy, college credit. However, if you really care you can do much better for your kids.

I’ll give you the fact that AP classes have shortcomings, but let’s be honest here, it’s not like private classes are that much better.

Lower division major classes are a commodity, Calculus 1 for example is pretty much the same at many universities, they’ll use the same textbooks.

In what way is private school calculus better than the AP or community college version? It’s not, if anything the community college class is the most rigorous among them.

There are other legitimate reasons to go to a private school, but rigor of classes over AP is not one of them.

College credit and placement is definitely nice to have.

Rigor of coursework is one of the top reasons to choose private schools.

The grade inflation at public schools has rendered their grades meaningless and an unweighted 4.0 GPA is the norm.

Being graded beyond multiple choice exams, such as meaningful regular feedback on writing, or complex mathematics problem solving, is a good example of what a huge difference there is.

The reason for multiple choices are testing a large number of concepts going through the entire curriculum . It’s done not only for AP but also professional testing, MCAT, LSAT, GRE. It’s not like the five teachers at the math department at some high school figured out how to design a test better than the staff at a billion dollar company.

Let’s be real with complex mathematics problem solving. Give some specifics if you have. AP
Exams are well thought out.

AP exams are a joke. You can get a 5 and still be completely unprepared for the college class it was supposed to overlap with.

AP wants to sell their program to the largest audience possible, to maximize profits. Their standards are extremely low.

Comparing it to MCAT or LSAT makes no sense. Those have much harder grading that actually separates students, like the SAT.

AP results are good enough for MIT and Stanford, but nope, not good enough for you and some private school. C’mon now, let’s not exaggerate.

Curious how you think Calculus at private is that much better than AP Calculus BC. From the syllabus bits I’ve seen on the internet it’s not what you make it seem. Be specific if you can instead of generalities.

Challenging students to go far beyond the AP curriculum, mirroring what an T30 college would provide, and offering multiple math classes beyond multi variable calculus, is the expectation at a decent private.

Same expectation at the excellent publics around here (especially TJ)! Lucky for us DCUM we have so many wonderful schools, public and private, to challenge our little Einsteins!

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I've had conversations with private college consultants, and they told us that elite colleges will still expect your kid to self-study for the AP exams. They view private schools as a marker of privilege and will not give them any allowances because of it.

Why would anyone need to take an AP exam? For example, if your kid gets college credits through dual enrollment, or IB, or another program. AP is not required by anyone.

You seem very new to this. There’s no college credit without the AP exam. IB can get credit, with the exam, but you have to be enrolled in an IB program to take it. Dual enrollment is a route for college credit, but it depends on what agreements the high school has with the (community) colleges.

AP is the only one that allows taking the class in private and getting college credit by exam.

Not new to this at all. My kid gets college credits through dual enrollment at a 4 year college, not a community college. Taking AP exams would be a waste of our time.

This is definitely not the norm and I seriously doubt it. Name the high school, the 4 year college and the classes. Most privates don’t have these arrangements in place.

Even so, it would be a huge hassle to commute to the college campus, for in person lectures, labs and exams.

The dual enrollment classes are taken at the private high school. Not naming the school because I prefer privacy.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've had conversations with private college consultants, and they told us that elite colleges will still expect your kid to self-study for the AP exams. They view private schools as a marker of privilege and will not give them any allowances because of it.

Why would anyone need to take an AP exam? For example, if your kid gets college credits through dual enrollment, or IB, or another program. AP is not required by anyone.

You seem very new to this. There’s no college credit without the AP exam. IB can get credit, with the exam, but you have to be enrolled in an IB program to take it. Dual enrollment is a route for college credit, but it depends on what agreements the high school has with the (community) colleges.

AP is the only one that allows taking the class in private and getting college credit by exam.

Not new to this at all. My kid gets college credits through dual enrollment at a 4 year college, not a community college. Taking AP exams would be a waste of our time.

This is definitely not the norm and I seriously doubt it. Name the high school, the 4 year college and the classes. Most privates don’t have these arrangements in place.

Even so, it would be a huge hassle to commute to the college campus, for in person lectures, labs and exams.

The dual enrollment classes are taken at the private high school. Not naming the school because I prefer privacy.

Of course you’re not naming the high school.

If you think taking Calculus I and II, and Linear Algebra at Sidwell qualifies as dual enrollment, and will be awarded college credit, then you’re in for a rude awakening. Even on their catalogue, it states the student should be prepared to take the AP exam.

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Anonymous wrote:I've had conversations with private college consultants, and they told us that elite colleges will still expect your kid to self-study for the AP exams. They view private schools as a marker of privilege and will not give them any allowances because of it.

Why would anyone need to take an AP exam? For example, if your kid gets college credits through dual enrollment, or IB, or another program. AP is not required by anyone.

You seem very new to this. There’s no college credit without the AP exam. IB can get credit, with the exam, but you have to be enrolled in an IB program to take it. Dual enrollment is a route for college credit, but it depends on what agreements the high school has with the (community) colleges.

AP is the only one that allows taking the class in private and getting college credit by exam.

Not new to this at all. My kid gets college credits through dual enrollment at a 4 year college, not a community college. Taking AP exams would be a waste of our time.

This is definitely not the norm and I seriously doubt it. Name the high school, the 4 year college and the classes. Most privates don’t have these arrangements in place.

Even so, it would be a huge hassle to commute to the college campus, for in person lectures, labs and exams.

The dual enrollment classes are taken at the private high school. Not naming the school because I prefer privacy.

Of course you’re not naming the high school.

If you think taking Calculus I and II, and Linear Algebra at Sidwell qualifies as dual enrollment, and will be awarded college credit, then you’re in for a rude awakening. Even on their catalogue, it states the student should be prepared to take the AP exam.

You don't seem to understand. I know exactly what I'm talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've had conversations with private college consultants, and they told us that elite colleges will still expect your kid to self-study for the AP exams. They view private schools as a marker of privilege and will not give them any allowances because of it.

Why would anyone need to take an AP exam? For example, if your kid gets college credits through dual enrollment, or IB, or another program. AP is not required by anyone.

You seem very new to this. There’s no college credit without the AP exam. IB can get credit, with the exam, but you have to be enrolled in an IB program to take it. Dual enrollment is a route for college credit, but it depends on what agreements the high school has with the (community) colleges.

AP is the only one that allows taking the class in private and getting college credit by exam.

Not new to this at all. My kid gets college credits through dual enrollment at a 4 year college, not a community college. Taking AP exams would be a waste of our time.

This is definitely not the norm and I seriously doubt it. Name the high school, the 4 year college and the classes. Most privates don’t have these arrangements in place.

Even so, it would be a huge hassle to commute to the college campus, for in person lectures, labs and exams.

The dual enrollment classes are taken at the private high school. Not naming the school because I prefer privacy.

Of course you’re not naming the high school.

If you think taking Calculus I and II, and Linear Algebra at Sidwell qualifies as dual enrollment, and will be awarded college credit, then you’re in for a rude awakening. Even on their catalogue, it states the student should be prepared to take the AP exam.

You don't seem to understand. I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Got it, you’re in this secretive “trust me bro” program with unheard of dual enrollment classes that will guarantee your student college credit and a spot at the ivies, and no need to bother with AP exam. I hope it pans out.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've had conversations with private college consultants, and they told us that elite colleges will still expect your kid to self-study for the AP exams. They view private schools as a marker of privilege and will not give them any allowances because of it.

Why would anyone need to take an AP exam? For example, if your kid gets college credits through dual enrollment, or IB, or another program. AP is not required by anyone.

You seem very new to this. There’s no college credit without the AP exam. IB can get credit, with the exam, but you have to be enrolled in an IB program to take it. Dual enrollment is a route for college credit, but it depends on what agreements the high school has with the (community) colleges.

AP is the only one that allows taking the class in private and getting college credit by exam.

Not new to this at all. My kid gets college credits through dual enrollment at a 4 year college, not a community college. Taking AP exams would be a waste of our time.

This is definitely not the norm and I seriously doubt it. Name the high school, the 4 year college and the classes. Most privates don’t have these arrangements in place.

Even so, it would be a huge hassle to commute to the college campus, for in person lectures, labs and exams.

The dual enrollment classes are taken at the private high school. Not naming the school because I prefer privacy.

Of course you’re not naming the high school.

If you think taking Calculus I and II, and Linear Algebra at Sidwell qualifies as dual enrollment, and will be awarded college credit, then you’re in for a rude awakening. Even on their catalogue, it states the student should be prepared to take the AP exam.

Supposedly privates dropped the AP designation of courses so they can offer courses of “equal or greater difficulty” without the cumbersome and restrictive AP curriculum. Yet, for Calculus as an example, their course syllabus is the same as the AP course, and prepare students for the AP exam.

Essentially it’s an AP class. Take the exam if aiming high.

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Anonymous wrote:AP classes are like a McDonalds happy meal. They even throw in a little toy, college credit. However, if you really care you can do much better for your kids.

I’ll give you the fact that AP classes have shortcomings, but let’s be honest here, it’s not like private classes are that much better.

Lower division major classes are a commodity, Calculus 1 for example is pretty much the same at many universities, they’ll use the same textbooks.

In what way is private school calculus better than the AP or community college version? It’s not, if anything the community college class is the most rigorous among them.

There are other legitimate reasons to go to a private school, but rigor of classes over AP is not one of them.

College credit and placement is definitely nice to have.

Rigor of coursework is one of the top reasons to choose private schools.

The grade inflation at public schools has rendered their grades meaningless and an unweighted 4.0 GPA is the norm.

Being graded beyond multiple choice exams, such as meaningful regular feedback on writing, or complex mathematics problem solving, is a good example of what a huge difference there is.

The reason for multiple choices are testing a large number of concepts going through the entire curriculum . It’s done not only for AP but also professional testing, MCAT, LSAT, GRE. It’s not like the five teachers at the math department at some high school figured out how to design a test better than the staff at a billion dollar company.

Let’s be real with complex mathematics problem solving. Give some specifics if you have. AP
Exams are well thought out.

AP exams are a joke. You can get a 5 and still be completely unprepared for the college class it was supposed to overlap with.

AP wants to sell their program to the largest audience possible, to maximize profits. Their standards are extremely low.

Comparing it to MCAT or LSAT makes no sense. Those have much harder grading that actually separates students, like the SAT.

AP results are good enough for MIT and Stanford, but nope, not good enough for you and some private school. C’mon now, let’s not exaggerate.

Curious how you think Calculus at private is that much better than AP Calculus BC. From the syllabus bits I’ve seen on the internet it’s not what you make it seem. Be specific if you can instead of generalities.

Challenging students to go far beyond the AP curriculum, mirroring what an T30 college would provide, and offering multiple math classes beyond multi variable calculus, is the expectation at a decent private.

The multivariable and beyond at privates are nowhere close to what’s taught at top 30. That’s not why students go to privates. It’s great the advance classes exists, but there won’t be any college credit earned. That’s assuming these classes are offered, not always the case.

If you’re really after credit go through community college or 4 year universities for dual enrollment. Usually publics have agreements, while privates don’t, but that’s not a problem, the additional cost is not prohibitive.

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Our private school eliminated AP exams so teachers have more freedom on curriculum; kid going to a T5 college now, but got 4s on APs withoit studying as not everything covered in curriculum. Meh. Not a big deal about AP. As long as have challenging classees that are interesyint

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Anonymous wrote:AP classes are like a McDonalds happy meal. They even throw in a little toy, college credit. However, if you really care you can do much better for your kids.

I’ll give you the fact that AP classes have shortcomings, but let’s be honest here, it’s not like private classes are that much better.

Lower division major classes are a commodity, Calculus 1 for example is pretty much the same at many universities, they’ll use the same textbooks.

In what way is private school calculus better than the AP or community college version? It’s not, if anything the community college class is the most rigorous among them.

There are other legitimate reasons to go to a private school, but rigor of classes over AP is not one of them.

College credit and placement is definitely nice to have.

Rigor of coursework is one of the top reasons to choose private schools.

The grade inflation at public schools has rendered their grades meaningless and an unweighted 4.0 GPA is the norm.

Being graded beyond multiple choice exams, such as meaningful regular feedback on writing, or complex mathematics problem solving, is a good example of what a huge difference there is.

The reason for multiple choices are testing a large number of concepts going through the entire curriculum . It’s done not only for AP but also professional testing, MCAT, LSAT, GRE. It’s not like the five teachers at the math department at some high school figured out how to design a test better than the staff at a billion dollar company.

Let’s be real with complex mathematics problem solving. Give some specifics if you have. AP
Exams are well thought out.

AP exams are a joke. You can get a 5 and still be completely unprepared for the college class it was supposed to overlap with.

AP wants to sell their program to the largest audience possible, to maximize profits. Their standards are extremely low.

Comparing it to MCAT or LSAT makes no sense. Those have much harder grading that actually separates students, like the SAT.

AP results are good enough for MIT and Stanford, but nope, not good enough for you and some private school. C’mon now, let’s not exaggerate.

Curious how you think Calculus at private is that much better than AP Calculus BC. From the syllabus bits I’ve seen on the internet it’s not what you make it seem. Be specific if you can instead of generalities.

Challenging students to go far beyond the AP curriculum, mirroring what an T30 college would provide, and offering multiple math classes beyond multi variable calculus, is the expectation at a decent private.

The multivariable and beyond at privates are nowhere close to what’s taught at top 30. That’s not why students go to privates. It’s great the advance classes exists, but there won’t be any college credit earned. That’s assuming these classes are offered, not always the case.

If you’re really after credit go through community college or 4 year universities for dual enrollment. Usually publics have agreements, while privates don’t, but that’s not a problem, the additional cost is not prohibitive.

Plus many of them don’t even offer beyond multivariable, because they view acceleration negatively.

These people will repeat any talking point they hear from their schools.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AP classes are like a McDonalds happy meal. They even throw in a little toy, college credit. However, if you really care you can do much better for your kids.

I’ll give you the fact that AP classes have shortcomings, but let’s be honest here, it’s not like private classes are that much better.

Lower division major classes are a commodity, Calculus 1 for example is pretty much the same at many universities, they’ll use the same textbooks.

In what way is private school calculus better than the AP or community college version? It’s not, if anything the community college class is the most rigorous among them.

There are other legitimate reasons to go to a private school, but rigor of classes over AP is not one of them.

College credit and placement is definitely nice to have.

Rigor of coursework is one of the top reasons to choose private schools.

The grade inflation at public schools has rendered their grades meaningless and an unweighted 4.0 GPA is the norm.

Being graded beyond multiple choice exams, such as meaningful regular feedback on writing, or complex mathematics problem solving, is a good example of what a huge difference there is.

The reason for multiple choices are testing a large number of concepts going through the entire curriculum . It’s done not only for AP but also professional testing, MCAT, LSAT, GRE. It’s not like the five teachers at the math department at some high school figured out how to design a test better than the staff at a billion dollar company.

Let’s be real with complex mathematics problem solving. Give some specifics if you have. AP
Exams are well thought out.

AP exams are a joke. You can get a 5 and still be completely unprepared for the college class it was supposed to overlap with.

AP wants to sell their program to the largest audience possible, to maximize profits. Their standards are extremely low.

Comparing it to MCAT or LSAT makes no sense. Those have much harder grading that actually separates students, like the SAT.

AP results are good enough for MIT and Stanford, but nope, not good enough for you and some private school. C’mon now, let’s not exaggerate.

Curious how you think Calculus at private is that much better than AP Calculus BC. From the syllabus bits I’ve seen on the internet it’s not what you make it seem. Be specific if you can instead of generalities.

Challenging students to go far beyond the AP curriculum, mirroring what an T30 college would provide, and offering multiple math classes beyond multi variable calculus, is the expectation at a decent private.

The multivariable and beyond at privates are nowhere close to what’s taught at top 30. That’s not why students go to privates. It’s great the advance classes exists, but there won’t be any college credit earned. That’s assuming these classes are offered, not always the case.

If you’re really after credit go through community college or 4 year universities for dual enrollment. Usually publics have agreements, while privates don’t, but that’s not a problem, the additional cost is not prohibitive.

Plus many of them don’t even offer beyond multivariable, because they view acceleration negatively.

These people will repeat any talking point they hear from their schools.

Some of these talking points are legitimate so dismissing it by calling it just a talking point is lazy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AP classes are like a McDonalds happy meal. They even throw in a little toy, college credit. However, if you really care you can do much better for your kids.

I’ll give you the fact that AP classes have shortcomings, but let’s be honest here, it’s not like private classes are that much better.

Lower division major classes are a commodity, Calculus 1 for example is pretty much the same at many universities, they’ll use the same textbooks.

In what way is private school calculus better than the AP or community college version? It’s not, if anything the community college class is the most rigorous among them.

There are other legitimate reasons to go to a private school, but rigor of classes over AP is not one of them.

College credit and placement is definitely nice to have.

Rigor of coursework is one of the top reasons to choose private schools.

The grade inflation at public schools has rendered their grades meaningless and an unweighted 4.0 GPA is the norm.

Being graded beyond multiple choice exams, such as meaningful regular feedback on writing, or complex mathematics problem solving, is a good example of what a huge difference there is.

The reason for multiple choices are testing a large number of concepts going through the entire curriculum . It’s done not only for AP but also professional testing, MCAT, LSAT, GRE. It’s not like the five teachers at the math department at some high school figured out how to design a test better than the staff at a billion dollar company.

Let’s be real with complex mathematics problem solving. Give some specifics if you have. AP
Exams are well thought out.

AP exams are a joke. You can get a 5 and still be completely unprepared for the college class it was supposed to overlap with.

AP wants to sell their program to the largest audience possible, to maximize profits. Their standards are extremely low.

Comparing it to MCAT or LSAT makes no sense. Those have much harder grading that actually separates students, like the SAT.

AP results are good enough for MIT and Stanford, but nope, not good enough for you and some private school. C’mon now, let’s not exaggerate.

Curious how you think Calculus at private is that much better than AP Calculus BC. From the syllabus bits I’ve seen on the internet it’s not what you make it seem. Be specific if you can instead of generalities.

Challenging students to go far beyond the AP curriculum, mirroring what an T30 college would provide, and offering multiple math classes beyond multi variable calculus, is the expectation at a decent private.

The multivariable and beyond at privates are nowhere close to what’s taught at top 30. That’s not why students go to privates. It’s great the advance classes exists, but there won’t be any college credit earned. That’s assuming these classes are offered, not always the case.

If you’re really after credit go through community college or 4 year universities for dual enrollment. Usually publics have agreements, while privates don’t, but that’s not a problem, the additional cost is not prohibitive.

Plus many of them don’t even offer beyond multivariable, because they view acceleration negatively.

These people will repeat any talking point they hear from their schools.

Some of these talking points are legitimate so dismissing it by calling it just a talking point is lazy.

The arguments for removing APs were just that, talking points. Privates don’t necessarily view acceleration negatively, but it depends on the size of the school, the students attending to have a critical mass for the classes.