Palestinians Starving - What Can We Do?

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Anonymous wrote:How many children does each enslaved woman there have again? What’s the fertility rate?

Fertility rate in Gaza is 3.6 - 7.0 children per childbearing aged woman, each of the last 30 years.

Makes no sense to have non-stop kids in poverty, no job, region run by religious terrorists.
What’s going on?

The poorest countries of the world also have the highest fertility rates. It’s always been the case.

Contraception and abortion are usually restricted by "authorities", in Gaza case - Hamas.

Women have zero rights in Palestine. Their role is to pop out babies.

That sounds more like the Jewish settlers who don’t think women should learn to read or leave the house, just make babies.

The percentage of educated women is one of the highest in the world with Palestinians.

Female literacy and education rates are nearly identical for Israelis and Palestinians. However women’s percentage in the workforce is much higher in Israel.

Percentage in the workforce is higher in Israel more generally relative to Palestine. Hard to create jobs when there's a constant fear of attack and bombs dropping.

Fear of attack like what happened at a musical festival to innocent civilians?

Hmm …

What is the greater tragedy?

A. 1,125 dead Israelis, over 300 of whom were active duty security services and another several hundred of whom had served dishonorably in the IDF.

or

B. 35,000 dead women and children in Gaza, none of whom voted for Hamas.

No one buys Hamas’ reports of the number of dead in this conflict.

Even if it’s 1/2 of the reports (which I doubt)-that’s a whole lot of dead women and children in Gaza. Plus the foreign aid workers who the IDF accidentally killed as they tried to distribute food and medicine. So in your world the lives of 20k Palestinians are worth much less than 1,125 dead Israelis? There is a name for people who think that way….

I mean, the IDF targeted and bombed the World Central Kitchen workers THREE TIMES. The first strike didn’t kill everyone, so they got out of vans and fled and they were ALL ASSASINATED. And yet we as a loose group of Westerners did NOTHING to seek something like justice or even transparent answered for our nationals, who were there simply to provide food.

I used to be in these threads and the way pro-Netanyahu trolls live here just disgusts me. Nothing is enough. The goal is to kill all Palestinians in Gaza and pretend to have a moral high ground to have the US and other Western nations supply young soldiers, endless money and limitless weapons to Israel. Why? When is enough enough?

Unadulterated nonsense. This started with an evil act of terror on innocent civilians. It’s not pretending to have the moral high ground - no people capable of such atrocities as October 7 could have ever claimed it.

An evil act of terror that used pickup trucks and hot air balloons? Israel couldve stopped it and refused. They stopped missiles from Iran but couldn’t stop men without aircraft taking people by hand and foot? Israel couldve been at the Gaza border stopping the trucks Within seconds. Israel’s army commanders are also puzzled as to why Netanyahu put a pause to that.

Netanyahu wanted captives taken because he wanted a war to avoid going to jail or resignation.

Until Israelis face that truth, Hamas won’t be eliminated. Netanyahu wants them there

This.

Hamas is essentially an arm of Netanyahu's plan.

I find it insane that anyone thinks Hamas carried out the events of October 7th without complicity of the Israeli government.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The PPs who have spread their toxicity over to this thread from the endless Israel/Gaza thread should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of talking about the plight of starving children, they're only interested in scoring points and outdoing each other with Zionist/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The whole world is tired of this whole debate and your endless arguments and counter arguments. Regardless of what events led to where the Gazans find themselves today, CHILDREN ARE DYING BEFORE OUR EYES.

NO SHIT. OUR DONATIONS ARE BEING BLOCKADED. COUNTERING THE ABSOLUTE LIES THAT ARE THE BASIS OF UNITED STATES POLICIES MAKES SENSE.

I WILL SHOUT BACK AT ANYONE CONFLATING THE SIDES OF THIS “DEBATE.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would highly recommend those that don't understand the context for what's happening in Gaza right now to read some of Jewish author Ilan Pappe's books.

There's a lot of propaganda, misinformation and deliberate lies that comes from the side of the colonizer/occupier/genocider in order to justify their own Holocaust. It's all over this thread just as it is in the media and elsewhere.

Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, Ten Myths About Israel, and The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of Gaza and the Occupied Territories are all excellently researched books that are both shocking and illuminating.

Some other books I would add to the list
The Hundred Years' War on Palestine by Rashid Khalidi
Anything by Norman Finkelstein
Genocide Bad by Sim Kern
On Palestine by Noam Chomsky

Some of the best books on the topic are written by Jewish/Israeli authors.

Thank you for this list. We as Americans need to educate ourselves on what’s going on over there. And glad to see these books were written by Jews. Everything is labeled as “antisemitic” if it criticizes Israel.

Oh please. Check out the post earlier about “Yiddish breath.” That’s pure unadulterated Jew hatred and yes, anti semitism, not nuanced and thoughtful criticism of a government.

Open your eyes to the hate. It’s right in front of you.

First, it was schlemiel breath.

Second, it was a response to you running your mouth and trying to discredit assertions by criticizing someone else’s writing style or clarity of thought or whatever. Didn’t bother to provide a response that addressed the merits of those assertions, but instead tried the lazy approach of trying to discredit.

When you gaslight or straw man or pull the usual obfuscation tactics to silence valid criticism of Israel’s policies and actions - and you do it in a writing style that pretty clearly suggests that English isn’t a primary language - you’re going to have to expect a response.

But at that point, it’s up to the sender of that response to choose whether or not to be gentle. And despite what you think or feel, it’s not anti-semitic to assume that someone is Jewish. And it’s also not anti-semitic to mock those who defend genocide and nations that repeatedly violate international law.

Lastly, there’s no hatred. Full stop.

If you think this statement is anything other than pure anti Jewish hatred, you are lost:

“your English vocabulary is comparable to a 7 year old’s vocabulary, but you could probably hang with me if we transitioned this to Yiddish, schlemiel breath.”

This wasn’t about a government. It’s anti semitism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Notable left-wing crackpot publication the Financial Times has an editorial from the board decrying Israeli treatment of Gaza and Western silence. What’s the answer there?

Gee, the Economist, the FT, are those papers run by those kids who learn everything about the region from TikTok? Is that it?

Have you been to “multicultural” mideastern England the last 15 years. See for yourself how it turned out.

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Anonymous wrote:How many children does each enslaved woman there have again? What’s the fertility rate?

Fertility rate in Gaza is 3.6 - 7.0 children per childbearing aged woman, each of the last 30 years.

Makes no sense to have non-stop kids in poverty, no job, region run by religious terrorists.
What’s going on?

The poorest countries of the world also have the highest fertility rates. It’s always been the case.

Contraception and abortion are usually restricted by "authorities", in Gaza case - Hamas.

Women have zero rights in Palestine. Their role is to pop out babies.

That sounds more like the Jewish settlers who don’t think women should learn to read or leave the house, just make babies.

The percentage of educated women is one of the highest in the world with Palestinians.

Female literacy and education rates are nearly identical for Israelis and Palestinians. However women’s percentage in the workforce is much higher in Israel.

Percentage in the workforce is higher in Israel more generally relative to Palestine. Hard to create jobs when there's a constant fear of attack and bombs dropping.

Fear of attack like what happened at a musical festival to innocent civilians?

Hmm …

What is the greater tragedy?

A. 1,125 dead Israelis, over 300 of whom were active duty security services and another several hundred of whom had served dishonorably in the IDF.

or

B. 35,000 dead women and children in Gaza, none of whom voted for Hamas.

No one buys Hamas’ reports of the number of dead in this conflict.

Even if it’s 1/2 of the reports (which I doubt)-that’s a whole lot of dead women and children in Gaza. Plus the foreign aid workers who the IDF accidentally killed as they tried to distribute food and medicine. So in your world the lives of 20k Palestinians are worth much less than 1,125 dead Israelis? There is a name for people who think that way….

I mean, the IDF targeted and bombed the World Central Kitchen workers THREE TIMES. The first strike didn’t kill everyone, so they got out of vans and fled and they were ALL ASSASINATED. And yet we as a loose group of Westerners did NOTHING to seek something like justice or even transparent answered for our nationals, who were there simply to provide food.

I used to be in these threads and the way pro-Netanyahu trolls live here just disgusts me. Nothing is enough. The goal is to kill all Palestinians in Gaza and pretend to have a moral high ground to have the US and other Western nations supply young soldiers, endless money and limitless weapons to Israel. Why? When is enough enough?

Unadulterated nonsense. This started with an evil act of terror on innocent civilians. It’s not pretending to have the moral high ground - no people capable of such atrocities as October 7 could have ever claimed it.

An evil act of terror that used pickup trucks and hot air balloons? Israel couldve stopped it and refused. They stopped missiles from Iran but couldn’t stop men without aircraft taking people by hand and foot? Israel couldve been at the Gaza border stopping the trucks Within seconds. Israel’s army commanders are also puzzled as to why Netanyahu put a pause to that.

Netanyahu wanted captives taken because he wanted a war to avoid going to jail or resignation.

Until Israelis face that truth, Hamas won’t be eliminated. Netanyahu wants them there

This.

Hamas is essentially an arm of Netanyahu's plan.

I find it insane that anyone thinks Hamas carried out the events of October 7th without complicity of the Israeli government.

Hey you just don’t get military strategy!!! /s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Economist is hardly a pro-Palestinian publication. Quite the opposite. If it is saying the death toll is closer to 100,000, then that is saying something.

https://www.economist.com/interactive/middle-east-and-africa/2025/05/08/how-many-people-have-died-in-gaza

It’s not saying anything but they acknowledge they don’t know.

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Anonymous wrote:How many children does each enslaved woman there have again? What’s the fertility rate?

Fertility rate in Gaza is 3.6 - 7.0 children per childbearing aged woman, each of the last 30 years.

Makes no sense to have non-stop kids in poverty, no job, region run by religious terrorists.
What’s going on?

The poorest countries of the world also have the highest fertility rates. It’s always been the case.

Contraception and abortion are usually restricted by "authorities", in Gaza case - Hamas.

Women have zero rights in Palestine. Their role is to pop out babies.

That sounds more like the Jewish settlers who don’t think women should learn to read or leave the house, just make babies.

The percentage of educated women is one of the highest in the world with Palestinians.

Female literacy and education rates are nearly identical for Israelis and Palestinians. However women’s percentage in the workforce is much higher in Israel.

Percentage in the workforce is higher in Israel more generally relative to Palestine. Hard to create jobs when there's a constant fear of attack and bombs dropping.

Fear of attack like what happened at a musical festival to innocent civilians?

Hmm …

What is the greater tragedy?

A. 1,125 dead Israelis, over 300 of whom were active duty security services and another several hundred of whom had served dishonorably in the IDF.

or

B. 35,000 dead women and children in Gaza, none of whom voted for Hamas.

No one buys Hamas’ reports of the number of dead in this conflict.

Even if it’s 1/2 of the reports (which I doubt)-that’s a whole lot of dead women and children in Gaza. Plus the foreign aid workers who the IDF accidentally killed as they tried to distribute food and medicine. So in your world the lives of 20k Palestinians are worth much less than 1,125 dead Israelis? There is a name for people who think that way….

I mean, the IDF targeted and bombed the World Central Kitchen workers THREE TIMES. The first strike didn’t kill everyone, so they got out of vans and fled and they were ALL ASSASINATED. And yet we as a loose group of Westerners did NOTHING to seek something like justice or even transparent answered for our nationals, who were there simply to provide food.

I used to be in these threads and the way pro-Netanyahu trolls live here just disgusts me. Nothing is enough. The goal is to kill all Palestinians in Gaza and pretend to have a moral high ground to have the US and other Western nations supply young soldiers, endless money and limitless weapons to Israel. Why? When is enough enough?

Unadulterated nonsense. This started with an evil act of terror on innocent civilians. It’s not pretending to have the moral high ground - no people capable of such atrocities as October 7 could have ever claimed it.

An evil act of terror that used pickup trucks and hot air balloons? Israel couldve stopped it and refused. They stopped missiles from Iran but couldn’t stop men without aircraft taking people by hand and foot? Israel couldve been at the Gaza border stopping the trucks Within seconds. Israel’s army commanders are also puzzled as to why Netanyahu put a pause to that.

Netanyahu wanted captives taken because he wanted a war to avoid going to jail or resignation.

Until Israelis face that truth, Hamas won’t be eliminated. Netanyahu wants them there

This.

Hamas is essentially an arm of Netanyahu's plan.

I find it insane that anyone thinks Hamas carried out the events of October 7th without complicity of the Israeli government.

This gives conspiracy theory a whole new name. Wow. This board gets more insane by the day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And if the Palestinians are all doctors and reasonable, why haven't they been able to create Trump's vision for Gaza? Why did they attack Israel? Why haven't they been able to create a capitalistic country alongside a beautiful beach? It isn't just the government.

Hey, what is your experience building capitalistic societies within concentration camp confines and under a complete 24/7 land, sea and air blockade, enforced by shoot-on-sight protocols?

Under these uNBearAbLE conditions they managed to build a massive, sophisticated tunnel system in Gaza.
All while the population lived in poverty.

Exactly. They have the wrong priorities. It's obvious when hearing the people speak and seeing their schools and their own actions.

Doesn't make Israel correct either, but no this population isn't docile. It's completely radicalized which is why the rest of the Arab world doesn't help out except to use them as scapegoats.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would highly recommend those that don't understand the context for what's happening in Gaza right now to read some of Jewish author Ilan Pappe's books.

There's a lot of propaganda, misinformation and deliberate lies that comes from the side of the colonizer/occupier/genocider in order to justify their own Holocaust. It's all over this thread just as it is in the media and elsewhere.

Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, Ten Myths About Israel, and The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of Gaza and the Occupied Territories are all excellently researched books that are both shocking and illuminating.

Some other books I would add to the list
The Hundred Years' War on Palestine by Rashid Khalidi
Anything by Norman Finkelstein
Genocide Bad by Sim Kern
On Palestine by Noam Chomsky

Some of the best books on the topic are written by Jewish/Israeli authors.

Thank you for this list. We as Americans need to educate ourselves on what’s going on over there. And glad to see these books were written by Jews. Everything is labeled as “antisemitic” if it criticizes Israel.

Oh please. Check out the post earlier about “Yiddish breath.” That’s pure unadulterated Jew hatred and yes, anti semitism, not nuanced and thoughtful criticism of a government.

Open your eyes to the hate. It’s right in front of you.

First, it was schlemiel breath.

Second, it was a response to you running your mouth and trying to discredit assertions by criticizing someone else’s writing style or clarity of thought or whatever. Didn’t bother to provide a response that addressed the merits of those assertions, but instead tried the lazy approach of trying to discredit.

When you gaslight or straw man or pull the usual obfuscation tactics to silence valid criticism of Israel’s policies and actions - and you do it in a writing style that pretty clearly suggests that English isn’t a primary language - you’re going to have to expect a response.

But at that point, it’s up to the sender of that response to choose whether or not to be gentle. And despite what you think or feel, it’s not anti-semitic to assume that someone is Jewish. And it’s also not anti-semitic to mock those who defend genocide and nations that repeatedly violate international law.

Lastly, there’s no hatred. Full stop.

DP.

You were WAY out of line. Give yourself a timeout.

Thank you. This person has become the very hate spewing ideologue he or she claims to be against and it’s sad to see that kind of ethnic hatred on this board.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How many children does each enslaved woman there have again? What’s the fertility rate?

Fertility rate in Gaza is 3.6 - 7.0 children per childbearing aged woman, each of the last 30 years.

Makes no sense to have non-stop kids in poverty, no job, region run by religious terrorists.
What’s going on?

The poorest countries of the world also have the highest fertility rates. It’s always been the case.

Contraception and abortion are usually restricted by "authorities", in Gaza case - Hamas.

Women have zero rights in Palestine. Their role is to pop out babies.

That sounds more like the Jewish settlers who don’t think women should learn to read or leave the house, just make babies.

The percentage of educated women is one of the highest in the world with Palestinians.

Female literacy and education rates are nearly identical for Israelis and Palestinians. However women’s percentage in the workforce is much higher in Israel.

Excellent, pls show the years of k-12 schooling, grad rates, toefl #s, college hard counts & rates, etc and female labor force participation rates.

Love to see the curriculum classes required in the teen years. Can only imagine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And if the Palestinians are all doctors and reasonable, why haven't they been able to create Trump's vision for Gaza? Why did they attack Israel? Why haven't they been able to create a capitalistic country alongside a beautiful beach? It isn't just the government.

Hey, what is your experience building capitalistic societies within concentration camp confines and under a complete 24/7 land, sea and air blockade, enforced by shoot-on-sight protocols?

Under these uNBearAbLE conditions they managed to build a massive, sophisticated tunnel system in Gaza.
All while the population lived in poverty.

Exactly. They have the wrong priorities. It's obvious when hearing the people speak and seeing their schools and their own actions.

Doesn't make Israel correct either, but no this population isn't docile. It's completely radicalized which is why the rest of the Arab world doesn't help out except to use them as scapegoats.

+1

+2 Well said.

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Anonymous wrote:How many children does each enslaved woman there have again? What’s the fertility rate?

Fertility rate in Gaza is 3.6 - 7.0 children per childbearing aged woman, each of the last 30 years.

Makes no sense to have non-stop kids in poverty, no job, region run by religious terrorists.
What’s going on?

The poorest countries of the world also have the highest fertility rates. It’s always been the case.

Contraception and abortion are usually restricted by "authorities", in Gaza case - Hamas.

Women have zero rights in Palestine. Their role is to pop out babies.

That sounds more like the Jewish settlers who don’t think women should learn to read or leave the house, just make babies.

The percentage of educated women is one of the highest in the world with Palestinians.

Female literacy and education rates are nearly identical for Israelis and Palestinians. However women’s percentage in the workforce is much higher in Israel.

Percentage in the workforce is higher in Israel more generally relative to Palestine. Hard to create jobs when there's a constant fear of attack and bombs dropping.

Tunnel diggers are always needed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How many children does each enslaved woman there have again? What’s the fertility rate?

Fertility rate in Gaza is 3.6 - 7.0 children per childbearing aged woman, each of the last 30 years.

Makes no sense to have non-stop kids in poverty, no job, region run by religious terrorists.
What’s going on?

The poorest countries of the world also have the highest fertility rates. It’s always been the case.

Contraception and abortion are usually restricted by "authorities", in Gaza case - Hamas.

Women have zero rights in Palestine. Their role is to pop out babies.

That sounds more like the Jewish settlers who don’t think women should learn to read or leave the house, just make babies.

The percentage of educated women is one of the highest in the world with Palestinians.

Female literacy and education rates are nearly identical for Israelis and Palestinians. However women’s percentage in the workforce is much higher in Israel.

Excellent, pls show the years of k-12 schooling, grad rates, toefl #s, college hard counts & rates, etc and female labor force participation rates.

Love to see the curriculum classes required in the teen years. Can only imagine.

Google is your friend.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Notable left-wing crackpot publication the Financial Times has an editorial from the board decrying Israeli treatment of Gaza and Western silence. What’s the answer there?

Gee, the Economist, the FT, are those papers run by those kids who learn everything about the region from TikTok? Is that it?

Have you been to “multicultural” mideastern England the last 15 years. See for yourself how it turned out.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How many children does each enslaved woman there have again? What’s the fertility rate?

Fertility rate in Gaza is 3.6 - 7.0 children per childbearing aged woman, each of the last 30 years.

Makes no sense to have non-stop kids in poverty, no job, region run by religious terrorists.
What’s going on?

The poorest countries of the world also have the highest fertility rates. It’s always been the case.

Contraception and abortion are usually restricted by "authorities", in Gaza case - Hamas.

Women have zero rights in Palestine. Their role is to pop out babies.

That sounds more like the Jewish settlers who don’t think women should learn to read or leave the house, just make babies.

The percentage of educated women is one of the highest in the world with Palestinians.

Vast majority of Israel is secular, educated and reform.

Hasidic settlers or whatnot are on their own