Why does everyone think Kamala was such a bad candidate?

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Anonymous wrote:Harris wasn't an ideal candidate, but Trump was a far worse candidate than Harris.

But here we are and Trump is going to be President. We Americans are on the whole, incredibly stupid people.

The election was 6 weeks ago, so it’s really time to get over it and consider the future. Calling the American people “stupid” does nothing to advance the ball. Try to get it out of your system, and think about viable candidates for 2028.

Pretty sure it's fair to say the average American voter IQ is much less than it was 20 or 30 years ago considering we've elected Trump, Biden, Trump in the past three elections. Nothing wrong with acknowledging this stupidity and trying to deal with it in advance of 2028 so that another Trump or Biden isn't elected.

Pretty sure you have no data to support your sweeping statement.

NP..check out Gallup. 54% of Americans ages 16-72 have under a sixth grade literacy rate. We've become the stupidest country of the free world.

Please link the Gallup study. My Google search returned the National Literacy Institute. By the way, it also said most of those with below sixth grade level literacy are foreign born, so I'm not sure this is the critique against American intelligence that you think it is.

Link: https://www.apmresearchlab.org/10x-adult-literacy

There have always been a high percentage of illiterate people in this country yet we've for the most part been able to elect fit, qualified, and worthy presidents up until recently. Being illiterate doesn't necessarily guarantee someone to be clueless and careless when it comes to politics and government.

Stupidity and carelessness are likely reasons why Americans elected Trump and Biden. Illiteracy is less likely to be a primary reason.

I love all of these people trying to dismiss the importance of low literacy rates in electing Trump. If people weren't so poorly educated, they wouldn't be so susceptible to voting against their self interests. Remember Trump said from the onset of his first run that he " loved the uneducated ". We have to own that America is majority stupid.

That’s why he wants to eliminate the Dept of Education. People are in favor of it too because they love bread and circuses.

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Anonymous wrote:Harris wasn't an ideal candidate, but Trump was a far worse candidate than Harris.

But here we are and Trump is going to be President. We Americans are on the whole, incredibly stupid people.

The election was 6 weeks ago, so it’s really time to get over it and consider the future. Calling the American people “stupid” does nothing to advance the ball. Try to get it out of your system, and think about viable candidates for 2028.

Pretty sure it's fair to say the average American voter IQ is much less than it was 20 or 30 years ago considering we've elected Trump, Biden, Trump in the past three elections. Nothing wrong with acknowledging this stupidity and trying to deal with it in advance of 2028 so that another Trump or Biden isn't elected.

Pretty sure you have no data to support your sweeping statement.

NP..check out Gallup. 54% of Americans ages 16-72 have under a sixth grade literacy rate. We've become the stupidest country of the free world.

Please link the Gallup study. My Google search returned the National Literacy Institute. By the way, it also said most of those with below sixth grade level literacy are foreign born, so I'm not sure this is the critique against American intelligence that you think it is.

Link: https://www.apmresearchlab.org/10x-adult-literacy

There have always been a high percentage of illiterate people in this country yet we've for the most part been able to elect fit, qualified, and worthy presidents up until recently. Being illiterate doesn't necessarily guarantee someone to be clueless and careless when it comes to politics and government.

Stupidity and carelessness are likely reasons why Americans elected Trump and Biden. Illiteracy is less likely to be a primary reason.

I love all of these people trying to dismiss the importance of low literacy rates in electing Trump. If people weren't so poorly educated, they wouldn't be so susceptible to voting against their self interests. Remember Trump said from the onset of his first run that he " loved the uneducated ". We have to own that America is majority stupid.

That’s why he wants to eliminate the Dept of Education. People are in favor of it too because they love bread and circuses.

Canada doesn't have a federal department of education. And yet they consistently have higher academic scores for reading, math, science literacy, etc.

There are many ways of doing things. Interestingly, the same people on this thread who think the US is bombing educationally also believe we should keep doing it the same way, and are outraged by the concept of moving this to the state and locals, where students may be better served than they are under the current structure.

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Anonymous wrote:Harris wasn't an ideal candidate, but Trump was a far worse candidate than Harris.

But here we are and Trump is going to be President. We Americans are on the whole, incredibly stupid people.

The election was 6 weeks ago, so it’s really time to get over it and consider the future. Calling the American people “stupid” does nothing to advance the ball. Try to get it out of your system, and think about viable candidates for 2028.

Pretty sure it's fair to say the average American voter IQ is much less than it was 20 or 30 years ago considering we've elected Trump, Biden, Trump in the past three elections. Nothing wrong with acknowledging this stupidity and trying to deal with it in advance of 2028 so that another Trump or Biden isn't elected.

Pretty sure you have no data to support your sweeping statement.

NP..check out Gallup. 54% of Americans ages 16-72 have under a sixth grade literacy rate. We've become the stupidest country of the free world.

Please link the Gallup study. My Google search returned the National Literacy Institute. By the way, it also said most of those with below sixth grade level literacy are foreign born, so I'm not sure this is the critique against American intelligence that you think it is.

Link: https://www.apmresearchlab.org/10x-adult-literacy

There have always been a high percentage of illiterate people in this country yet we've for the most part been able to elect fit, qualified, and worthy presidents up until recently. Being illiterate doesn't necessarily guarantee someone to be clueless and careless when it comes to politics and government.

Stupidity and carelessness are likely reasons why Americans elected Trump and Biden. Illiteracy is less likely to be a primary reason.

I love all of these people trying to dismiss the importance of low literacy rates in electing Trump. If people weren't so poorly educated, they wouldn't be so susceptible to voting against their self interests. Remember Trump said from the onset of his first run that he " loved the uneducated ". We have to own that America is majority stupid.

Trump and Biden received over 155 million votes in 2020. It wasn't just illiterate or uneducated people that were duped into voting for them. We all know otherwise intelligent, successful people that voted for them.

Do you understand a 2 party system? I guess we could have all protested and not voted, and leave the choice to the least educated people.

Trump and Biden were validated by the American voters when 155 million people voted for them. Nothing good comes from a situation where the American public rewards our political system that leaves us with a POTUS choice between two people that have no business being the most powerful people on Earth. What was the end result of Americans validating Trump and Biden in 2020? A second Trump term.

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Anonymous wrote:Harris wasn't an ideal candidate, but Trump was a far worse candidate than Harris.

But here we are and Trump is going to be President. We Americans are on the whole, incredibly stupid people.

The election was 6 weeks ago, so it’s really time to get over it and consider the future. Calling the American people “stupid” does nothing to advance the ball. Try to get it out of your system, and think about viable candidates for 2028.

Pretty sure it's fair to say the average American voter IQ is much less than it was 20 or 30 years ago considering we've elected Trump, Biden, Trump in the past three elections. Nothing wrong with acknowledging this stupidity and trying to deal with it in advance of 2028 so that another Trump or Biden isn't elected.

Pretty sure you have no data to support your sweeping statement.

NP..check out Gallup. 54% of Americans ages 16-72 have under a sixth grade literacy rate. We've become the stupidest country of the free world.

Please link the Gallup study. My Google search returned the National Literacy Institute. By the way, it also said most of those with below sixth grade level literacy are foreign born, so I'm not sure this is the critique against American intelligence that you think it is.

Link: https://www.apmresearchlab.org/10x-adult-literacy

There have always been a high percentage of illiterate people in this country yet we've for the most part been able to elect fit, qualified, and worthy presidents up until recently. Being illiterate doesn't necessarily guarantee someone to be clueless and careless when it comes to politics and government.

Stupidity and carelessness are likely reasons why Americans elected Trump and Biden. Illiteracy is less likely to be a primary reason.

I love all of these people trying to dismiss the importance of low literacy rates in electing Trump. If people weren't so poorly educated, they wouldn't be so susceptible to voting against their self interests. Remember Trump said from the onset of his first run that he " loved the uneducated ". We have to own that America is majority stupid.

That’s why he wants to eliminate the Dept of Education. People are in favor of it too because they love bread and circuses.

Canada doesn't have a federal department of education. And yet they consistently have higher academic scores for reading, math, science literacy, etc.

There are many ways of doing things. Interestingly, the same people on this thread who think the US is bombing educationally also believe we should keep doing it the same way, and are outraged by the concept of moving this to the state and locals, where students may be better served than they are under the current structure.

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I'm a liberal democrat but this. I mean things are clearly not working. Not sure how people believe our current govt works effectively? Man, we need overhauling for sure. Like all of it. Not suggesting Trump is the right leader of this effort but at least he's admitting change is needed.

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Anonymous wrote:Harris wasn't an ideal candidate, but Trump was a far worse candidate than Harris.

But here we are and Trump is going to be President. We Americans are on the whole, incredibly stupid people.

The election was 6 weeks ago, so it’s really time to get over it and consider the future. Calling the American people “stupid” does nothing to advance the ball. Try to get it out of your system, and think about viable candidates for 2028.

Pretty sure it's fair to say the average American voter IQ is much less than it was 20 or 30 years ago considering we've elected Trump, Biden, Trump in the past three elections. Nothing wrong with acknowledging this stupidity and trying to deal with it in advance of 2028 so that another Trump or Biden isn't elected.

Pretty sure you have no data to support your sweeping statement.

NP..check out Gallup. 54% of Americans ages 16-72 have under a sixth grade literacy rate. We've become the stupidest country of the free world.

Please link the Gallup study. My Google search returned the National Literacy Institute. By the way, it also said most of those with below sixth grade level literacy are foreign born, so I'm not sure this is the critique against American intelligence that you think it is.

Link: https://www.apmresearchlab.org/10x-adult-literacy

There have always been a high percentage of illiterate people in this country yet we've for the most part been able to elect fit, qualified, and worthy presidents up until recently. Being illiterate doesn't necessarily guarantee someone to be clueless and careless when it comes to politics and government.

Stupidity and carelessness are likely reasons why Americans elected Trump and Biden. Illiteracy is less likely to be a primary reason.

I love all of these people trying to dismiss the importance of low literacy rates in electing Trump. If people weren't so poorly educated, they wouldn't be so susceptible to voting against their self interests. Remember Trump said from the onset of his first run that he " loved the uneducated ". We have to own that America is majority stupid.

That’s why he wants to eliminate the Dept of Education. People are in favor of it too because they love bread and circuses.

Canada doesn't have a federal department of education. And yet they consistently have higher academic scores for reading, math, science literacy, etc.

There are many ways of doing things. Interestingly, the same people on this thread who think the US is bombing educationally also believe we should keep doing it the same way, and are outraged by the concept of moving this to the state and locals, where students may be better served than they are under the current structure.

+100000

I'm a liberal democrat but this. I mean things are clearly not working. Not sure how people believe our current govt works effectively? Man, we need overhauling for sure. Like all of it. Not suggesting Trump is the right leader of this effort but at least he's admitting change is needed.

Ask yourself the reason he says it’s trash. Betsy Devos was installed last time to create more private schools to funnel $$ to wealthy. He doesn’t care about American children and anyone who thinks he does is a plain fool. We can decry education all we want but the felon is doing this because he sees $$.

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I’ll add that if he wasn’t acting like a dictator, talking about stolen elections and trying to squash the media, and threatening journalists it wouldn’t raise flags that he was trying to eliminate the Dept of Education. If he were talking about education in great detail in his speeches it would make sense. But the bottom line is you need uneducated masses to not rise up. Who are filled with propaganda so they don’t rise up. The uneducated are the very people, by a significant margin, who elected him.

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Threatening politicians

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Anonymous wrote:Harris wasn't an ideal candidate, but Trump was a far worse candidate than Harris.

But here we are and Trump is going to be President. We Americans are on the whole, incredibly stupid people.

The election was 6 weeks ago, so it’s really time to get over it and consider the future. Calling the American people “stupid” does nothing to advance the ball. Try to get it out of your system, and think about viable candidates for 2028.

Pretty sure it's fair to say the average American voter IQ is much less than it was 20 or 30 years ago considering we've elected Trump, Biden, Trump in the past three elections. Nothing wrong with acknowledging this stupidity and trying to deal with it in advance of 2028 so that another Trump or Biden isn't elected.

Pretty sure you have no data to support your sweeping statement.

NP..check out Gallup. 54% of Americans ages 16-72 have under a sixth grade literacy rate. We've become the stupidest country of the free world.

Please link the Gallup study. My Google search returned the National Literacy Institute. By the way, it also said most of those with below sixth grade level literacy are foreign born, so I'm not sure this is the critique against American intelligence that you think it is.

Link: https://www.apmresearchlab.org/10x-adult-literacy

There have always been a high percentage of illiterate people in this country yet we've for the most part been able to elect fit, qualified, and worthy presidents up until recently. Being illiterate doesn't necessarily guarantee someone to be clueless and careless when it comes to politics and government.

Stupidity and carelessness are likely reasons why Americans elected Trump and Biden. Illiteracy is less likely to be a primary reason.

I love all of these people trying to dismiss the importance of low literacy rates in electing Trump. If people weren't so poorly educated, they wouldn't be so susceptible to voting against their self interests. Remember Trump said from the onset of his first run that he " loved the uneducated ". We have to own that America is majority stupid.

That’s why he wants to eliminate the Dept of Education. People are in favor of it too because they love bread and circuses.

Canada doesn't have a federal department of education. And yet they consistently have higher academic scores for reading, math, science literacy, etc.

There are many ways of doing things. Interestingly, the same people on this thread who think the US is bombing educationally also believe we should keep doing it the same way, and are outraged by the concept of moving this to the state and locals, where students may be better served than they are under the current structure.

+100000

I'm a liberal democrat but this. I mean things are clearly not working. Not sure how people believe our current govt works effectively? Man, we need overhauling for sure. Like all of it. Not suggesting Trump is the right leader of this effort but at least he's admitting change is needed.

Exactly. States are supposed to be the laboratories of Democracy. Let the states innovate and other states can follow the successful models if they want.

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Anonymous wrote:Harris wasn't an ideal candidate, but Trump was a far worse candidate than Harris.

But here we are and Trump is going to be President. We Americans are on the whole, incredibly stupid people.

The election was 6 weeks ago, so it’s really time to get over it and consider the future. Calling the American people “stupid” does nothing to advance the ball. Try to get it out of your system, and think about viable candidates for 2028.

Pretty sure it's fair to say the average American voter IQ is much less than it was 20 or 30 years ago considering we've elected Trump, Biden, Trump in the past three elections. Nothing wrong with acknowledging this stupidity and trying to deal with it in advance of 2028 so that another Trump or Biden isn't elected.

Pretty sure you have no data to support your sweeping statement.

NP..check out Gallup. 54% of Americans ages 16-72 have under a sixth grade literacy rate. We've become the stupidest country of the free world.

Please link the Gallup study. My Google search returned the National Literacy Institute. By the way, it also said most of those with below sixth grade level literacy are foreign born, so I'm not sure this is the critique against American intelligence that you think it is.

Link: https://www.apmresearchlab.org/10x-adult-literacy

There have always been a high percentage of illiterate people in this country yet we've for the most part been able to elect fit, qualified, and worthy presidents up until recently. Being illiterate doesn't necessarily guarantee someone to be clueless and careless when it comes to politics and government.

Stupidity and carelessness are likely reasons why Americans elected Trump and Biden. Illiteracy is less likely to be a primary reason.

You clearly did not read the survey. Because there is a direct correlation between low literacy rates and immigration. So your lament about stupid and illiterate Americans is really a complaint about stupid and illiterate immigrants. I am not sure if that is the point that you thought you were trying to make but it is in fact the point that you are making. Reduce immigration or at least reduce immigration of low education and skills people and these numbers will improve.

The discussion in this thread is in regard to the continually sinking IQ of the average American voter. it has nothing to do with immigration. It has little to with illiteracy. Plenty of literate people voted for Trump and Biden.

Few literate people voted for Trump. And someone doesn't get math. 54% of Americans includes many more than foreign born ones. Plus, not all immigrants are illiterate. Someone keeps assuming that.

It's right in the study that was linked. It's not an assumption. It says that an outsized number of the people with reduced literacy rates are foreign born. It's crazy to think that "few literate people voted for Trump." Illiteracy is correlated with a number of life circumstances that would significantly impair their ability to vote.

Even if your theory is correct that America is dumb and that's why they vote Republican, it doesn't reflect well on Democrats. Why can't they tailor a message that works for all these stupid racist Nazis? Generally smarter people are able to outsmart dumb people.

I think this gets to the problem for Democrats. They posture like smart people but they don’t produce results (either in policy or elections). So smart are they really? A lot of what Democrats think is smart are what even dumb people can understand to be transparently obvious subjective choices.

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Anonymous wrote:Harris wasn't an ideal candidate, but Trump was a far worse candidate than Harris.

But here we are and Trump is going to be President. We Americans are on the whole, incredibly stupid people.

The election was 6 weeks ago, so it’s really time to get over it and consider the future. Calling the American people “stupid” does nothing to advance the ball. Try to get it out of your system, and think about viable candidates for 2028.

Pretty sure it's fair to say the average American voter IQ is much less than it was 20 or 30 years ago considering we've elected Trump, Biden, Trump in the past three elections. Nothing wrong with acknowledging this stupidity and trying to deal with it in advance of 2028 so that another Trump or Biden isn't elected.

Pretty sure you have no data to support your sweeping statement.

NP..check out Gallup. 54% of Americans ages 16-72 have under a sixth grade literacy rate. We've become the stupidest country of the free world.

Please link the Gallup study. My Google search returned the National Literacy Institute. By the way, it also said most of those with below sixth grade level literacy are foreign born, so I'm not sure this is the critique against American intelligence that you think it is.

Link: https://www.apmresearchlab.org/10x-adult-literacy

There have always been a high percentage of illiterate people in this country yet we've for the most part been able to elect fit, qualified, and worthy presidents up until recently. Being illiterate doesn't necessarily guarantee someone to be clueless and careless when it comes to politics and government.

Stupidity and carelessness are likely reasons why Americans elected Trump and Biden. Illiteracy is less likely to be a primary reason.

I love all of these people trying to dismiss the importance of low literacy rates in electing Trump. If people weren't so poorly educated, they wouldn't be so susceptible to voting against their self interests. Remember Trump said from the onset of his first run that he " loved the uneducated ". We have to own that America is majority stupid.

That’s why he wants to eliminate the Dept of Education. People are in favor of it too because they love bread and circuses.

Canada doesn't have a federal department of education. And yet they consistently have higher academic scores for reading, math, science literacy, etc.

There are many ways of doing things. Interestingly, the same people on this thread who think the US is bombing educationally also believe we should keep doing it the same way, and are outraged by the concept of moving this to the state and locals, where students may be better served than they are under the current structure.

+100000

I'm a liberal democrat but this. I mean things are clearly not working. Not sure how people believe our current govt works effectively? Man, we need overhauling for sure. Like all of it. Not suggesting Trump is the right leader of this effort but at least he's admitting change is needed.

Exactly. States are supposed to be the laboratories of Democracy. Let the states innovate and other states can follow the successful models if they want.

Lots of states are in the business of killing women now. Lest you forget, we are the UNITED States. Basic rights should be guaranteed. You do know that states said in federal filings they wanted pregnant teens because it meant more federal $$ for the states. So, no, it shouldn’t be up to the states. Unless you like serfdom.

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Anonymous wrote:Harris wasn't an ideal candidate, but Trump was a far worse candidate than Harris.

But here we are and Trump is going to be President. We Americans are on the whole, incredibly stupid people.

The election was 6 weeks ago, so it’s really time to get over it and consider the future. Calling the American people “stupid” does nothing to advance the ball. Try to get it out of your system, and think about viable candidates for 2028.

Pretty sure it's fair to say the average American voter IQ is much less than it was 20 or 30 years ago considering we've elected Trump, Biden, Trump in the past three elections. Nothing wrong with acknowledging this stupidity and trying to deal with it in advance of 2028 so that another Trump or Biden isn't elected.

Pretty sure you have no data to support your sweeping statement.

NP..check out Gallup. 54% of Americans ages 16-72 have under a sixth grade literacy rate. We've become the stupidest country of the free world.

Please link the Gallup study. My Google search returned the National Literacy Institute. By the way, it also said most of those with below sixth grade level literacy are foreign born, so I'm not sure this is the critique against American intelligence that you think it is.

Link: https://www.apmresearchlab.org/10x-adult-literacy

There have always been a high percentage of illiterate people in this country yet we've for the most part been able to elect fit, qualified, and worthy presidents up until recently. Being illiterate doesn't necessarily guarantee someone to be clueless and careless when it comes to politics and government.

Stupidity and carelessness are likely reasons why Americans elected Trump and Biden. Illiteracy is less likely to be a primary reason.

I love all of these people trying to dismiss the importance of low literacy rates in electing Trump. If people weren't so poorly educated, they wouldn't be so susceptible to voting against their self interests. Remember Trump said from the onset of his first run that he " loved the uneducated ". We have to own that America is majority stupid.

That’s why he wants to eliminate the Dept of Education. People are in favor of it too because they love bread and circuses.

Canada doesn't have a federal department of education. And yet they consistently have higher academic scores for reading, math, science literacy, etc.

There are many ways of doing things. Interestingly, the same people on this thread who think the US is bombing educationally also believe we should keep doing it the same way, and are outraged by the concept of moving this to the state and locals, where students may be better served than they are under the current structure.

+100000

I'm a liberal democrat but this. I mean things are clearly not working. Not sure how people believe our current govt works effectively? Man, we need overhauling for sure. Like all of it. Not suggesting Trump is the right leader of this effort but at least he's admitting change is needed.

Exactly. States are supposed to be the laboratories of Democracy. Let the states innovate and other states can follow the successful models if they want.

Lots of states are in the business of killing women now. Lest you forget, we are the UNITED States. Basic rights should be guaranteed. You do know that states said in federal filings they wanted pregnant teens because it meant more federal $$ for the states. So, no, it shouldn’t be up to the states. Unless you like serfdom.

Kamala Harris lost because she said things as stupid as this.

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Anonymous wrote:Harris wasn't an ideal candidate, but Trump was a far worse candidate than Harris.

But here we are and Trump is going to be President. We Americans are on the whole, incredibly stupid people.

The election was 6 weeks ago, so it’s really time to get over it and consider the future. Calling the American people “stupid” does nothing to advance the ball. Try to get it out of your system, and think about viable candidates for 2028.

Pretty sure it's fair to say the average American voter IQ is much less than it was 20 or 30 years ago considering we've elected Trump, Biden, Trump in the past three elections. Nothing wrong with acknowledging this stupidity and trying to deal with it in advance of 2028 so that another Trump or Biden isn't elected.

Pretty sure you have no data to support your sweeping statement.

NP..check out Gallup. 54% of Americans ages 16-72 have under a sixth grade literacy rate. We've become the stupidest country of the free world.

Please link the Gallup study. My Google search returned the National Literacy Institute. By the way, it also said most of those with below sixth grade level literacy are foreign born, so I'm not sure this is the critique against American intelligence that you think it is.

Link: https://www.apmresearchlab.org/10x-adult-literacy

There have always been a high percentage of illiterate people in this country yet we've for the most part been able to elect fit, qualified, and worthy presidents up until recently. Being illiterate doesn't necessarily guarantee someone to be clueless and careless when it comes to politics and government.

Stupidity and carelessness are likely reasons why Americans elected Trump and Biden. Illiteracy is less likely to be a primary reason.

You clearly did not read the survey. Because there is a direct correlation between low literacy rates and immigration. So your lament about stupid and illiterate Americans is really a complaint about stupid and illiterate immigrants. I am not sure if that is the point that you thought you were trying to make but it is in fact the point that you are making. Reduce immigration or at least reduce immigration of low education and skills people and these numbers will improve.

The discussion in this thread is in regard to the continually sinking IQ of the average American voter. it has nothing to do with immigration. It has little to with illiteracy. Plenty of literate people voted for Trump and Biden.

Few literate people voted for Trump. And someone doesn't get math. 54% of Americans includes many more than foreign born ones. Plus, not all immigrants are illiterate. Someone keeps assuming that.

It's right in the study that was linked. It's not an assumption. It says that an outsized number of the people with reduced literacy rates are foreign born. It's crazy to think that "few literate people voted for Trump." Illiteracy is correlated with a number of life circumstances that would significantly impair their ability to vote.

Even if your theory is correct that America is dumb and that's why they vote Republican, it doesn't reflect well on Democrats. Why can't they tailor a message that works for all these stupid racist Nazis? Generally smarter people are able to outsmart dumb people.

I think this gets to the problem for Democrats. They posture like smart people but they don’t produce results (either in policy or elections). So smart are they really? A lot of what Democrats think is smart are what even dumb people can understand to be transparently obvious subjective choices.

LOL. I think pp meant that the smart people are the felon and those who back him $$, and the dumb ones are the people who voted for him. You’re Example A.

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Anonymous wrote:Harris wasn't an ideal candidate, but Trump was a far worse candidate than Harris.

But here we are and Trump is going to be President. We Americans are on the whole, incredibly stupid people.

The election was 6 weeks ago, so it’s really time to get over it and consider the future. Calling the American people “stupid” does nothing to advance the ball. Try to get it out of your system, and think about viable candidates for 2028.

Pretty sure it's fair to say the average American voter IQ is much less than it was 20 or 30 years ago considering we've elected Trump, Biden, Trump in the past three elections. Nothing wrong with acknowledging this stupidity and trying to deal with it in advance of 2028 so that another Trump or Biden isn't elected.

Pretty sure you have no data to support your sweeping statement.

NP..check out Gallup. 54% of Americans ages 16-72 have under a sixth grade literacy rate. We've become the stupidest country of the free world.

Please link the Gallup study. My Google search returned the National Literacy Institute. By the way, it also said most of those with below sixth grade level literacy are foreign born, so I'm not sure this is the critique against American intelligence that you think it is.

Link: https://www.apmresearchlab.org/10x-adult-literacy

There have always been a high percentage of illiterate people in this country yet we've for the most part been able to elect fit, qualified, and worthy presidents up until recently. Being illiterate doesn't necessarily guarantee someone to be clueless and careless when it comes to politics and government.

Stupidity and carelessness are likely reasons why Americans elected Trump and Biden. Illiteracy is less likely to be a primary reason.

I love all of these people trying to dismiss the importance of low literacy rates in electing Trump. If people weren't so poorly educated, they wouldn't be so susceptible to voting against their self interests. Remember Trump said from the onset of his first run that he " loved the uneducated ". We have to own that America is majority stupid.

That’s why he wants to eliminate the Dept of Education. People are in favor of it too because they love bread and circuses.

Canada doesn't have a federal department of education. And yet they consistently have higher academic scores for reading, math, science literacy, etc.

There are many ways of doing things. Interestingly, the same people on this thread who think the US is bombing educationally also believe we should keep doing it the same way, and are outraged by the concept of moving this to the state and locals, where students may be better served than they are under the current structure.

+100000

I'm a liberal democrat but this. I mean things are clearly not working. Not sure how people believe our current govt works effectively? Man, we need overhauling for sure. Like all of it. Not suggesting Trump is the right leader of this effort but at least he's admitting change is needed.

Exactly. States are supposed to be the laboratories of Democracy. Let the states innovate and other states can follow the successful models if they want.

Lots of states are in the business of killing women now. Lest you forget, we are the UNITED States. Basic rights should be guaranteed. You do know that states said in federal filings they wanted pregnant teens because it meant more federal $$ for the states. So, no, it shouldn’t be up to the states. Unless you like serfdom.

Kamala Harris lost because she said things as stupid as this.

People don’t like it when women use their voices.

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Anonymous wrote:
Canada doesn't have a federal department of education. And yet they consistently have higher academic scores for reading, math, science literacy, etc.

Pat Moynihan once pointed out that scores increase the closer you get to Canada, and suggested moving all the states.

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That she was a bad candidate was revealed in the WSJ article today about how Biden's team knew Biden was out of it. Nowhere does it mention Harris as stepping in, or serving as reassurance for them.