Taylor Swift album Tortured Poets Department leaked early?

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Anonymous wrote:^ And to add, this isn't only in the world of music. The most successful actors / movies aren't necessarily the most talented actors out there either. Nor are the most successful people the best and most talented either.

Taylor, Kardashians, Jerry Seinfeld, Elon Musk, Drake. Lots of ways to have great career success without being all that talented.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote one of the most successful sitcoms of all time. It was innovative and unique. Yes, he is talented, as is Taylor.

Seinfeld wasn’t popular until it was squeezed between Friends and ER. It was first on Tuesday night, then Wednesday and finally Thursday. I see Friends is on all day on TBS, The Big Bang at night and Friends on Nik at night. I barely see Seinfeld anywhere. Seinfeld is a clear example of being at the right place, the right time for success. It really isn’t that funny.

NP. I will vehemently disagree with you on this. Seinfeld took a while to find its rhythm, but became a smash hit that ended before the fans wanted it to. Seinfeld episodes are on every single day somewhere in syndication. It did benefit from right place/right time, but that doesn't explain it's high popularity then and since.

Now back to Taylor.

I’m not one of them, but tons of people have discovered or rediscovered Seinfeld on streaming. It is still extremely popular.

I love this new thing of people saying, I don’t like something, so I’m just going to say everybody doesn’t like that thing. Objectively it’s just not true, but I’m just going to say it. Lol OK.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you aimme is a good song.
I don’t care if it’s petty. If that what was inspiring, so what?

I don't think it was petty to her. It was a pretty traumatizing time in her life.

Yes but why bring it up after 8 years?

What is the limit? Plenty of people write about their daddy issues, should they just get over that too? Since you make the rules and all what is the statute of limitations on getting over stress or trauma? Not that I really care what you think but it's amusing to humor you since your opinion carries no weight.

Agree. And there are a ton of shows and movies that are very popular that are about young peoples experiences. It’s really always been that way. There’s just a universal truth and universal experiences that people have that are core to who we are as humans that happen when we’re young. Falling in love deeply. That kind of intense heartbreak. Friendships that you make when you’re young. Everything is heightened and in color.

I’m betting almost all of us on this thread in the past year have streamed a show and really enjoyed a movie about young peoples experiences even though they are closer to our kids age than our age. I get why these experiences are so integral to her creativity.

She also probably knows the older she gets the further she will be from them so is capitalizing on them them now. She can’t possibly keep up this level of output, which is fine, But might as well strike while the iron is hot.

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Next up these self appointed critics will tell us Shakespeare was out of touch for Romeo & Juliet and should have written about more mature content rather than young love. As if love, family and conflict aren't universal themes.

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Anonymous wrote:Adele is great. But she is low energy. She’s not trying to put out a double album every year.
And I’m sure she’s happier for it.

Adele’s Hello breakup album hits home for me more than Taylor’s, JMO.

Sure. I love Adele. Those two are just so different. I enjoy them both.

The difference between Adele and Taylor’s music is that Adele’s music has matured alongside her. Taylor and her music seem developmentally stuck at age 21 or so.

Is that a diss? Whatever she is putting out there breaks records every time. There's space in the industry for everyone. Who cares what another artist does.

Yes, her product is a breakup album geared towards young adult dynamic relationships. Totally respectable if you’re writing fictional or generic content, but gets progressively weirder that she keeps releasing breakup albums every year skewing personal ex boyfriends, in her mid thirties. As another poster put it, Taylor seems manic when it comes to relationships. I don’t know if it’s a diss as much as an observation- I thought her songs like we were never getting back together and all too well were heartfelt and well written songs. I just think it’s weird that she’s in her mid thirties still making the same mistakes in relationships and putting out the same thing every few months. Her albums are mostly highly anticipated because shes willing to publicly slander her high profile exes. The whole thing seems kind of gross.

Wow. Wrong on so many levels but whatever. Hate her all you want. I get it. No one can convince me Beyoncé has one ounce of talent so I understand that for some people certain artists don’t translate and no one can convince you otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:Adele is great. But she is low energy. She’s not trying to put out a double album every year.
And I’m sure she’s happier for it.

Adele’s Hello breakup album hits home for me more than Taylor’s, JMO.

Sure. I love Adele. Those two are just so different. I enjoy them both.

The difference between Adele and Taylor’s music is that Adele’s music has matured alongside her. Taylor and her music seem developmentally stuck at age 21 or so.

Is that a diss? Whatever she is putting out there breaks records every time. There's space in the industry for everyone. Who cares what another artist does.

Her business / marketing team has done a great job of selling her brand. Her fans will buy anything - they don't even assess quality. If its connected to Taylor, they love it. Kylie Jenner's lipstick also broke records and made her rich. Do I think that is because of her incredible talent in creating make-up and her genius intelligence - no. To me, they are similar. Both have great teams around them who created a brand that sells and a fan base who will buy anything related to the brand.

One point in Taylor's favor is that she doesn't just slap her name on crap - makeup, shoes, liquor/wine, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Adele is great. But she is low energy. She’s not trying to put out a double album every year.
And I’m sure she’s happier for it.

Adele’s Hello breakup album hits home for me more than Taylor’s, JMO.

Sure. I love Adele. Those two are just so different. I enjoy them both.

The difference between Adele and Taylor’s music is that Adele’s music has matured alongside her. Taylor and her music seem developmentally stuck at age 21 or so.

Is that a diss? Whatever she is putting out there breaks records every time. There's space in the industry for everyone. Who cares what another artist does.

Her business / marketing team has done a great job of selling her brand. Her fans will buy anything - they don't even assess quality. If its connected to Taylor, they love it. Kylie Jenner's lipstick also broke records and made her rich. Do I think that is because of her incredible talent in creating make-up and her genius intelligence - no. To me, they are similar. Both have great teams around them who created a brand that sells and a fan base who will buy anything related to the brand.

One point in Taylor's favor is that she doesn't just slap her name on crap - makeup, shoes, liquor/wine, etc.

She did for a long time but seems to have stopped now. She did shoes (Keds), had a perfume line, had lotion products at walmart, had tons of licensed merch (boks, t shirts) at walmart too. I think now she is the brand so she stopped doing brand deals.

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Anonymous wrote:Adele is great. But she is low energy. She’s not trying to put out a double album every year.
And I’m sure she’s happier for it.

Adele’s Hello breakup album hits home for me more than Taylor’s, JMO.

Sure. I love Adele. Those two are just so different. I enjoy them both.

The difference between Adele and Taylor’s music is that Adele’s music has matured alongside her. Taylor and her music seem developmentally stuck at age 21 or so.

Is that a diss? Whatever she is putting out there breaks records every time. There's space in the industry for everyone. Who cares what another artist does.

Her business / marketing team has done a great job of selling her brand. Her fans will buy anything - they don't even assess quality. If its connected to Taylor, they love it. Kylie Jenner's lipstick also broke records and made her rich. Do I think that is because of her incredible talent in creating make-up and her genius intelligence - no. To me, they are similar. Both have great teams around them who created a brand that sells and a fan base who will buy anything related to the brand.

One point in Taylor's favor is that she doesn't just slap her name on crap - makeup, shoes, liquor/wine, etc.

For now. When she runs out of fans she'll move on to the lifestyle stuff and try to sell pots and pans or furniture when she can't sell the music anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:Adele is great. But she is low energy. She’s not trying to put out a double album every year.
And I’m sure she’s happier for it.

Adele’s Hello breakup album hits home for me more than Taylor’s, JMO.

Sure. I love Adele. Those two are just so different. I enjoy them both.

The difference between Adele and Taylor’s music is that Adele’s music has matured alongside her. Taylor and her music seem developmentally stuck at age 21 or so.

Is that a diss? Whatever she is putting out there breaks records every time. There's space in the industry for everyone. Who cares what another artist does.

Her business / marketing team has done a great job of selling her brand. Her fans will buy anything - they don't even assess quality. If its connected to Taylor, they love it. Kylie Jenner's lipstick also broke records and made her rich. Do I think that is because of her incredible talent in creating make-up and her genius intelligence - no. To me, they are similar. Both have great teams around them who created a brand that sells and a fan base who will buy anything related to the brand.

One point in Taylor's favor is that she doesn't just slap her name on crap - makeup, shoes, liquor/wine, etc.

For now. When she runs out of fans she'll move on to the lifestyle stuff and try to sell pots and pans or furniture when she can't sell the music anymore.

Doubtful. She’ll become a producer or songwriter for others like she already does.

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Anonymous wrote:You only find wine moms insulting … if you’re a wine mom.

No im a wine mom and I find it hilarious. I also think look at Taylor FINALLY having her adolescent angst come through trying to gain independence from her traps. You only find it insulting if you are a wine mom with no sense of humor.

Her adolescent angst has been coming through since she was 16. But now she is 34. Maybe time to move on from adolescent angst.

She knows that her fame has stunted her: she says in multiple of her songs she has never grown up.

“Sometimes growing up precocious means you never grow up at all”
“I never grew up, it’s getting so old”

In Miss Americana she says that people say fame means you freeze at the age you got famous and she thinks that might be true for her. She’s aware that she’s somewhat trapped in a path of irregular development; a lot of her more introspective songs are about how the cage of fame did that to her.

I don't think its just fame that has stunted her- I am convinced that she is neuro diverse- whether ADHD or something else. Her level of output/hyperfocus is super interesting and she's found a way to use it to her advantage. But also (and saying this as someone who really likes her), she seems a little emotionally immature and falls hard and fast (seems manic at times) while also having a super brilliant mind- a common sign of neuro diversity. I am not saying any of this in a negative way at all, her mind is something to be studied!

Agreed… I don’t think it’s negative or positive but it is part of genius. Her recent collator Aaron Dessner said in an interview that during the recording of the long pond sessions, that he, Taylor, and the rest of the musicians would be staying up till like three in the morning drinking. He’s like we drank a lot of wine. Then everyone went to bed and the next morning Taylor said she stayed up late and wrote like a bunch more stuff and he was just absolutely floored. He couldn’t believe she had the stamina to do that.

I think it is really rare.

Do you think any of that mania could be bipolar or drug use induced? I’m asking because she is doing that, but doesn’t seem
Happier living that way.

There is a lot of sleep disturbance that goes along with neurodiversity.

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Anonymous wrote:Next up these self appointed critics will tell us Shakespeare was out of touch for Romeo & Juliet and should have written about more mature content rather than young love. As if love, family and conflict aren't universal themes.

Taylor Swift = William Shakespeare

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I loved folklore and evermore, but out of all the songs on this album there isn’t one that hooks me. I don’t deny Taylor’s songwriting abilities … but this album really isn’t doing it for me. So many of the songs sound the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Adele is great. But she is low energy. She’s not trying to put out a double album every year.
And I’m sure she’s happier for it.

Adele’s Hello breakup album hits home for me more than Taylor’s, JMO.

Sure. I love Adele. Those two are just so different. I enjoy them both.

The difference between Adele and Taylor’s music is that Adele’s music has matured alongside her. Taylor and her music seem developmentally stuck at age 21 or so.

Is that a diss? Whatever she is putting out there breaks records every time. There's space in the industry for everyone. Who cares what another artist does.

Her business / marketing team has done a great job of selling her brand. Her fans will buy anything - they don't even assess quality. If its connected to Taylor, they love it. Kylie Jenner's lipstick also broke records and made her rich. Do I think that is because of her incredible talent in creating make-up and her genius intelligence - no. To me, they are similar. Both have great teams around them who created a brand that sells and a fan base who will buy anything related to the brand.

One point in Taylor's favor is that she doesn't just slap her name on crap - makeup, shoes, liquor/wine, etc.

For now. When she runs out of fans she'll move on to the lifestyle stuff and try to sell pots and pans or furniture when she can't sell the music anymore.

Anytime I think of Taylor the brand, I remind myself that her handwriting is a font you can download. She has AI’d herself.

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Here is how she sounds in an acoustic performance without an autotune mic or background tracks.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu4PgGHmFEE

How people think she is the greatest vocal artist of all times is a mystery to me. For those who say her success is driven by her talent and so she has more success as she is more talented than anyone else.

We should do a thread of some acoustics by other artists to broaden peoples view that Taylor Swift is such a vocal genius, better than the rest.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is how she sounds in an acoustic performance without an autotune mic or background tracks.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu4PgGHmFEE

How people think she is the greatest vocal artist of all times is a mystery to me. For those who say her success is driven by her talent and so she has more success as she is more talented than anyone else.

We should do a thread of some acoustics by other artists to broaden peoples view that Taylor Swift is such a vocal genius, better than the rest.

I agree. Give me Angel Blue or Nadine Sierra ANY day. They can sing.

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Anonymous wrote:Next up these self appointed critics will tell us Shakespeare was out of touch for Romeo & Juliet and should have written about more mature content rather than young love. As if love, family and conflict aren't universal themes.

Taylor Swift = William Shakespeare

You missed the point. A lot probably goes over your head in life.