Disappointed by TJ decision?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“ Every child in FCPS has the same academic opportunity as any other child with regard to school provided services.”

This was not true under the old system. We’re in Robinson zone. So no AAP at MS. Yes we could have placed at LB since DC qualified but they sent barely any kids to TJ historically too. Robinson does not offer any of the special math extracurriculars that the TJ feeder zones do - or at least did not during DC’s MS years. DC’s ES - a center school - did not offer algebra in 6th so 7th was the earliest it was available. There is no prep school (which I realize is beyond FCPS directly) near us so odds of crushing the old test would have been iffy.

Dc is at TJ and doing well. The old system was set up in a way that dramatically pulled from a much smaller handful of schools. The new way is better in my view.

Completely agree, the old system kept out less affluent students and was completely rigged in many ways.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Every person on this board insulting TJ has a kid that didn’t get in. How do I know? Because you wouldn’t waste your time trolling a school if it didn’t matter to you personally. That’s why this is such obvious nonsense. My kid, AAP, from high performing feeder. Will attend. Since my kid actually got in, I’m familiar with other kids from her school who also got in. They are smart. The canard that the kids that got in are low performing non-AAP types is silly. But I get that you have to make yourself feel better somehow. I do hope families like mine don’t believe this garbage from the same 20 posters who have now started 10 different threads. Good luck to you.

Congrats to your kid, but its an undeniable fact that a large number of kids with average math and no AAP got in from FCPS. These kids aren't low performing, but they aren't, by FCPS own definition, completing the most complex, in-depth, and advanced programming.

What I find strange is the claim that middle schools were underrepresented in FCPS. This is by design. FCPS has AAP opportunities for every student. They are tested and/or identified through various mechanisms in the county through elementary school (testing, principal placed, parent referred). Any kid selected for Level IV would end up at a center and/or cluster and then head to a center school in middle school. Odds are high that a middle school without Level IV has students in its boundaries that are at a Level IV MS. So even if a middle school doesnt have people attending TJ, the catchment areas are represented.

And to add to that, any real high performer who turned down Level IV, would still have access to advanced math and 7th grade algebra H at any FCPS middle school.

DP. Every FCPS middle school has or soon will have Level IV. So while the admissions process without factoring in base middle school was a dumb oversight, it is or soon will be no longer an issue.

Where was that announced? There are currently 12 MS without Level IV. This is no small task.

You also missed the point that there was no need for a quota system because everyone was already represented.

What point was that? Yes, some middle schools were "underrepresented" because no students applied from some middle schools and possibly no applicants would have been admitted. (This doesn't even get to the facts that some students were possibly-unintentionally cheating on the exam and that some schools were more familiar with the application process and knew how to work the process.) The quota system killed two birds with one stone - it expanded the pull of TJ and it changed the character of the school. Both were good goals. Both succeeded.

They were underrepresented because people didnt apply? And then you added in their pretend denial of admittance? That lack of representation was their choice and not something with the process.

Every child in FCPS has the same academic opportunity as any other child with regard to school provided services.

This is a lie! Ask me how I know!

How do you know it's a lie? Shouldn't all students have the same opportunities regardless of where they live in the county?

[Anonymous]

The sour grapes of those whose children did not get in are delicious.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“ Every child in FCPS has the same academic opportunity as any other child with regard to school provided services.”

This was not true under the old system. We’re in Robinson zone. So no AAP at MS. Yes we could have placed at LB since DC qualified but they sent barely any kids to TJ historically too. Robinson does not offer any of the special math extracurriculars that the TJ feeder zones do - or at least did not during DC’s MS years. DC’s ES - a center school - did not offer algebra in 6th so 7th was the earliest it was available. There is no prep school (which I realize is beyond FCPS directly) near us so odds of crushing the old test would have been iffy.

Dc is at TJ and doing well. The old system was set up in a way that dramatically pulled from a much smaller handful of schools. The new way is better in my view.

Completely agree, the old system kept out less affluent students and was completely rigged in many ways.

The worst was the blatant cheating where probably close to 50% of those got in had advanced access to the admission test because the prep centers had been building question banks. This was a total pay to play scheme.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“ Every child in FCPS has the same academic opportunity as any other child with regard to school provided services.”

This was not true under the old system. We’re in Robinson zone. So no AAP at MS. Yes we could have placed at LB since DC qualified but they sent barely any kids to TJ historically too. Robinson does not offer any of the special math extracurriculars that the TJ feeder zones do - or at least did not during DC’s MS years. DC’s ES - a center school - did not offer algebra in 6th so 7th was the earliest it was available. There is no prep school (which I realize is beyond FCPS directly) near us so odds of crushing the old test would have been iffy.

Dc is at TJ and doing well. The old system was set up in a way that dramatically pulled from a much smaller handful of schools. The new way is better in my view.

Completely agree, the old system kept out less affluent students and was completely rigged in many ways.

The worst was the blatant cheating where probably close to 50% of those got in had advanced access to the admission test because the prep centers had been building question banks. This was a total pay to play scheme.

Now in the new system, they have rigged it to give URMs unearned points. Shame they couldn’t figure out a fair way to assess students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Every person on this board insulting TJ has a kid that didn’t get in. How do I know? Because you wouldn’t waste your time trolling a school if it didn’t matter to you personally. That’s why this is such obvious nonsense. My kid, AAP, from high performing feeder. Will attend. Since my kid actually got in, I’m familiar with other kids from her school who also got in. They are smart. The canard that the kids that got in are low performing non-AAP types is silly. But I get that you have to make yourself feel better somehow. I do hope families like mine don’t believe this garbage from the same 20 posters who have now started 10 different threads. Good luck to you.

Congrats to your kid, but its an undeniable fact that a large number of kids with average math and no AAP got in from FCPS. These kids aren't low performing, but they aren't, by FCPS own definition, completing the most complex, in-depth, and advanced programming.

What I find strange is the claim that middle schools were underrepresented in FCPS. This is by design. FCPS has AAP opportunities for every student. They are tested and/or identified through various mechanisms in the county through elementary school (testing, principal placed, parent referred). Any kid selected for Level IV would end up at a center and/or cluster and then head to a center school in middle school. Odds are high that a middle school without Level IV has students in its boundaries that are at a Level IV MS. So even if a middle school doesnt have people attending TJ, the catchment areas are represented.

And to add to that, any real high performer who turned down Level IV, would still have access to advanced math and 7th grade algebra H at any FCPS middle school.

DP. Every FCPS middle school has or soon will have Level IV. So while the admissions process without factoring in base middle school was a dumb oversight, it is or soon will be no longer an issue.

Where was that announced? There are currently 12 MS without Level IV. This is no small task.

You also missed the point that there was no need for a quota system because everyone was already represented.

What point was that? Yes, some middle schools were "underrepresented" because no students applied from some middle schools and possibly no applicants would have been admitted. (This doesn't even get to the facts that some students were possibly-unintentionally cheating on the exam and that some schools were more familiar with the application process and knew how to work the process.) The quota system killed two birds with one stone - it expanded the pull of TJ and it changed the character of the school. Both were good goals. Both succeeded.

They were underrepresented because people didnt apply? And then you added in their pretend denial of admittance? That lack of representation was their choice and not something with the process.

Every child in FCPS has the same academic opportunity as any other child with regard to school provided services.

This is a lie! Ask me how I know!

How do you know it's a lie? Shouldn't all students have the same opportunities regardless of where they live in the county?

They should, but they DO NOT!!

The county does NOT offer equal instruction and advancement opportunities in all areas. Not only that, but the administrators in those other areas tell you that there is no way to advance through the school in the entire county. Then you find out that some kids are doing Algebra in 5th or 6th.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“ Every child in FCPS has the same academic opportunity as any other child with regard to school provided services.”

This was not true under the old system. We’re in Robinson zone. So no AAP at MS. Yes we could have placed at LB since DC qualified but they sent barely any kids to TJ historically too. Robinson does not offer any of the special math extracurriculars that the TJ feeder zones do - or at least did not during DC’s MS years. DC’s ES - a center school - did not offer algebra in 6th so 7th was the earliest it was available. There is no prep school (which I realize is beyond FCPS directly) near us so odds of crushing the old test would have been iffy.

Dc is at TJ and doing well. The old system was set up in a way that dramatically pulled from a much smaller handful of schools. The new way is better in my view.

Your statement that LBSS historically didn’t send any kids to TJ is false. In fact LBSS was one of the largest feeders behind the Carson, LF, RR groups. This is public information.

Fine - higher than i thought (I said "barely any" not none): 18 in 2019...roughly 1/4 of those admitted from Carson and less than half those from Longfellow or Rocky Run; exactly half as many as at Cooper. Robinson count wasn't listed in the article but it's presumably less than LB. That doesn't make it "one of the biggest feeders".

https://annandaletoday.com/few-mason-district-students-get-into-tj/
"Carson Middle School in Herndon is sending 71 students to TJ for the Class of 2023, the most of any middle school. The other schools where TJ Class of 2023 students are coming from are Longfellow in Falls Church (51 students), Rocky Run in Chantilly (40), Cooper in McLean (36), Frost in Fairfax (18), and Kilmer in Vienna (18). Lake Braddock Secondary School in Burke is also sending 18."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ Every child in FCPS has the same academic opportunity as any other child with regard to school provided services.”

This was not true under the old system. We’re in Robinson zone. So no AAP at MS. Yes we could have placed at LB since DC qualified but they sent barely any kids to TJ historically too. Robinson does not offer any of the special math extracurriculars that the TJ feeder zones do - or at least did not during DC’s MS years. DC’s ES - a center school - did not offer algebra in 6th so 7th was the earliest it was available. There is no prep school (which I realize is beyond FCPS directly) near us so odds of crushing the old test would have been iffy.

Dc is at TJ and doing well. The old system was set up in a way that dramatically pulled from a much smaller handful of schools. The new way is better in my view.

So we discussed how every child has the opportunity to attend Level IV MS, including Robinson kids, and you agreed, so not much else to say about that. And I’m pretty sure a 6th grader can go to LB or RS for Algebra in those rare cases. And as you pointed out, prep has nothing to do with FCPS. I’m glad your kid is doing well and you like the new system, but you didn’t really make any points here to rebut the quoted claim.

I don't know of any kids from DC's LB-zone center that went there for 6th grade algebra. DC was regularly given other work to do after testing out of the math unit they were on pretty early and nothing was mentioned or offered re: further acceleration at LB. I suppose it's theoretically possible but it doesn't seem to be a "thing" as it is at some other schools. That said, it was fine to do Algebra in 7th - my point was more that saying it's a shame they're now picking so many kids who aren't coming in to TJ having already finished Algebra 2 skews dramatically toward the part of the county where Algebra in 6th was in practice actually an option.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ Every child in FCPS has the same academic opportunity as any other child with regard to school provided services.”

This was not true under the old system. We’re in Robinson zone. So no AAP at MS. Yes we could have placed at LB since DC qualified but they sent barely any kids to TJ historically too. Robinson does not offer any of the special math extracurriculars that the TJ feeder zones do - or at least did not during DC’s MS years. DC’s ES - a center school - did not offer algebra in 6th so 7th was the earliest it was available. There is no prep school (which I realize is beyond FCPS directly) near us so odds of crushing the old test would have been iffy.

Dc is at TJ and doing well. The old system was set up in a way that dramatically pulled from a much smaller handful of schools. The new way is better in my view.

Your statement that LBSS historically didn’t send any kids to TJ is false. In fact LBSS was one of the largest feeders behind the Carson, LF, RR groups. This is public information.

Fine - higher than i thought (I said "barely any" not none): 18 in 2019...roughly 1/4 of those admitted from Carson and less than half those from Longfellow or Rocky Run; exactly half as many as at Cooper. Robinson count wasn't listed in the article but it's presumably less than LB. That doesn't make it "one of the biggest feeders".

https://annandaletoday.com/few-mason-district-students-get-into-tj/
"Carson Middle School in Herndon is sending 71 students to TJ for the Class of 2023, the most of any middle school. The other schools where TJ Class of 2023 students are coming from are Longfellow in Falls Church (51 students), Rocky Run in Chantilly (40), Cooper in McLean (36), Frost in Fairfax (18), and Kilmer in Vienna (18). Lake Braddock Secondary School in Burke is also sending 18."

I said one of the biggest behind those main 3. Within FCPS, LBSS was regularly the 6th greatest feeder to TJ of 26 middle schools. Not even remotely underrepresented and one of the biggest feeders. You are incorrect.

Also, 2013 - 21, 2014 - 15, 2015 - 20, 2016 - 14, 2017 - 16

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ Every child in FCPS has the same academic opportunity as any other child with regard to school provided services.”

This was not true under the old system. We’re in Robinson zone. So no AAP at MS. Yes we could have placed at LB since DC qualified but they sent barely any kids to TJ historically too. Robinson does not offer any of the special math extracurriculars that the TJ feeder zones do - or at least did not during DC’s MS years. DC’s ES - a center school - did not offer algebra in 6th so 7th was the earliest it was available. There is no prep school (which I realize is beyond FCPS directly) near us so odds of crushing the old test would have been iffy.

Dc is at TJ and doing well. The old system was set up in a way that dramatically pulled from a much smaller handful of schools. The new way is better in my view.

So we discussed how every child has the opportunity to attend Level IV MS, including Robinson kids, and you agreed, so not much else to say about that. And I’m pretty sure a 6th grader can go to LB or RS for Algebra in those rare cases. And as you pointed out, prep has nothing to do with FCPS. I’m glad your kid is doing well and you like the new system, but you didn’t really make any points here to rebut the quoted claim.

I don't know of any kids from DC's LB-zone center that went there for 6th grade algebra. DC was regularly given other work to do after testing out of the math unit they were on pretty early and nothing was mentioned or offered re: further acceleration at LB. I suppose it's theoretically possible but it doesn't seem to be a "thing" as it is at some other schools. That said, it was fine to do Algebra in 7th - my point was more that saying it's a shame they're now picking so many kids who aren't coming in to TJ having already finished Algebra 2 skews dramatically toward the part of the county where Algebra in 6th was in practice actually an option.

This is a direct reflection on parents. If there is only one parent requesting it, it’s probably less of a thing, but possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ Every child in FCPS has the same academic opportunity as any other child with regard to school provided services.”

This was not true under the old system. We’re in Robinson zone. So no AAP at MS. Yes we could have placed at LB since DC qualified but they sent barely any kids to TJ historically too. Robinson does not offer any of the special math extracurriculars that the TJ feeder zones do - or at least did not during DC’s MS years. DC’s ES - a center school - did not offer algebra in 6th so 7th was the earliest it was available. There is no prep school (which I realize is beyond FCPS directly) near us so odds of crushing the old test would have been iffy.

Dc is at TJ and doing well. The old system was set up in a way that dramatically pulled from a much smaller handful of schools. The new way is better in my view.

So we discussed how every child has the opportunity to attend Level IV MS, including Robinson kids, and you agreed, so not much else to say about that. And I’m pretty sure a 6th grader can go to LB or RS for Algebra in those rare cases. And as you pointed out, prep has nothing to do with FCPS. I’m glad your kid is doing well and you like the new system, but you didn’t really make any points here to rebut the quoted claim.

I don't know of any kids from DC's LB-zone center that went there for 6th grade algebra. DC was regularly given other work to do after testing out of the math unit they were on pretty early and nothing was mentioned or offered re: further acceleration at LB. I suppose it's theoretically possible but it doesn't seem to be a "thing" as it is at some other schools. That said, it was fine to do Algebra in 7th - my point was more that saying it's a shame they're now picking so many kids who aren't coming in to TJ having already finished Algebra 2 skews dramatically toward the part of the county where Algebra in 6th was in practice actually an option.

This is a direct reflection on parents. If there is only one parent requesting it, it’s probably less of a thing, but possible.

DP. Certain schools will not advance the kid no matter what.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ Every child in FCPS has the same academic opportunity as any other child with regard to school provided services.”

This was not true under the old system. We’re in Robinson zone. So no AAP at MS. Yes we could have placed at LB since DC qualified but they sent barely any kids to TJ historically too. Robinson does not offer any of the special math extracurriculars that the TJ feeder zones do - or at least did not during DC’s MS years. DC’s ES - a center school - did not offer algebra in 6th so 7th was the earliest it was available. There is no prep school (which I realize is beyond FCPS directly) near us so odds of crushing the old test would have been iffy.

Dc is at TJ and doing well. The old system was set up in a way that dramatically pulled from a much smaller handful of schools. The new way is better in my view.

Your statement that LBSS historically didn’t send any kids to TJ is false. In fact LBSS was one of the largest feeders behind the Carson, LF, RR groups. This is public information.

Fine - higher than i thought (I said "barely any" not none): 18 in 2019...roughly 1/4 of those admitted from Carson and less than half those from Longfellow or Rocky Run; exactly half as many as at Cooper. Robinson count wasn't listed in the article but it's presumably less than LB. That doesn't make it "one of the biggest feeders".

https://annandaletoday.com/few-mason-district-students-get-into-tj/
"Carson Middle School in Herndon is sending 71 students to TJ for the Class of 2023, the most of any middle school. The other schools where TJ Class of 2023 students are coming from are Longfellow in Falls Church (51 students), Rocky Run in Chantilly (40), Cooper in McLean (36), Frost in Fairfax (18), and Kilmer in Vienna (18). Lake Braddock Secondary School in Burke is also sending 18."

where can we find the other schools information?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ Every child in FCPS has the same academic opportunity as any other child with regard to school provided services.”

This was not true under the old system. We’re in Robinson zone. So no AAP at MS. Yes we could have placed at LB since DC qualified but they sent barely any kids to TJ historically too. Robinson does not offer any of the special math extracurriculars that the TJ feeder zones do - or at least did not during DC’s MS years. DC’s ES - a center school - did not offer algebra in 6th so 7th was the earliest it was available. There is no prep school (which I realize is beyond FCPS directly) near us so odds of crushing the old test would have been iffy.

Dc is at TJ and doing well. The old system was set up in a way that dramatically pulled from a much smaller handful of schools. The new way is better in my view.

Completely agree, the old system kept out less affluent students and was completely rigged in many ways.

The worst was the blatant cheating where probably close to 50% of those got in had advanced access to the admission test because the prep centers had been building question banks. This was a total pay to play scheme.

Now in the new system, they have rigged it to give URMs unearned points. Shame they couldn’t figure out a fair way to assess students.

You might just been living in your little bubble. I am not a troll, we are Farms and URM. My kid is not less smart than his top students peers in his well regarded MS. He never close to any enrichment or tutor or prep or fancy vacation to broaden the horizon, or lavish camp and extra curricular, not because we against it, it is because we can't afford it, not even close. I wish! I am a single mom whose put food on my table and pay the high rent is my priority, I don't have anything left to give it to him. Family like us is exist. Yet my kid still sailed thru his classes, all A's in his all AA honors class and still complain that the class is moving too slow. TJ is now in his horizon with the new admission system. If he stand the same tall with his top students peers, the unearned points is NOT rigged. He is there, by himself with zero outside help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ Every child in FCPS has the same academic opportunity as any other child with regard to school provided services.”

This was not true under the old system. We’re in Robinson zone. So no AAP at MS. Yes we could have placed at LB since DC qualified but they sent barely any kids to TJ historically too. Robinson does not offer any of the special math extracurriculars that the TJ feeder zones do - or at least did not during DC’s MS years. DC’s ES - a center school - did not offer algebra in 6th so 7th was the earliest it was available. There is no prep school (which I realize is beyond FCPS directly) near us so odds of crushing the old test would have been iffy.

Dc is at TJ and doing well. The old system was set up in a way that dramatically pulled from a much smaller handful of schools. The new way is better in my view.

Completely agree, the old system kept out less affluent students and was completely rigged in many ways.

The worst was the blatant cheating where probably close to 50% of those got in had advanced access to the admission test because the prep centers had been building question banks. This was a total pay to play scheme.

Now in the new system, they have rigged it to give URMs unearned points. Shame they couldn’t figure out a fair way to assess students.

You might just been living in your little bubble. I am not a troll, we are Farms and URM. My kid is not less smart than his top students peers in his well regarded MS. He never close to any enrichment or tutor or prep or fancy vacation to broaden the horizon, or lavish camp and extra curricular, not because we against it, it is because we can't afford it, not even close. I wish! I am a single mom whose put food on my table and pay the high rent is my priority, I don't have anything left to give it to him. Family like us is exist. Yet my kid still sailed thru his classes, all A's in his all AA honors class and still complain that the class is moving too slow. TJ is now in his horizon with the new admission system. If he stand the same tall with his top students peers, the unearned points is NOT rigged. He is there, by himself with zero outside help.

Nice try faking your written accent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ Every child in FCPS has the same academic opportunity as any other child with regard to school provided services.”

This was not true under the old system. We’re in Robinson zone. So no AAP at MS. Yes we could have placed at LB since DC qualified but they sent barely any kids to TJ historically too. Robinson does not offer any of the special math extracurriculars that the TJ feeder zones do - or at least did not during DC’s MS years. DC’s ES - a center school - did not offer algebra in 6th so 7th was the earliest it was available. There is no prep school (which I realize is beyond FCPS directly) near us so odds of crushing the old test would have been iffy.

Dc is at TJ and doing well. The old system was set up in a way that dramatically pulled from a much smaller handful of schools. The new way is better in my view.

Completely agree, the old system kept out less affluent students and was completely rigged in many ways.

The worst was the blatant cheating where probably close to 50% of those got in had advanced access to the admission test because the prep centers had been building question banks. This was a total pay to play scheme.

Now in the new system, they have rigged it to give URMs unearned points. Shame they couldn’t figure out a fair way to assess students.

You might just been living in your little bubble. I am not a troll, we are Farms and URM. My kid is not less smart than his top students peers in his well regarded MS. He never close to any enrichment or tutor or prep or fancy vacation to broaden the horizon, or lavish camp and extra curricular, not because we against it, it is because we can't afford it, not even close. I wish! I am a single mom whose put food on my table and pay the high rent is my priority, I don't have anything left to give it to him. Family like us is exist. Yet my kid still sailed thru his classes, all A's in his all AA honors class and still complain that the class is moving too slow. TJ is now in his horizon with the new admission system. If he stand the same tall with his top students peers, the unearned points is NOT rigged. He is there, by himself with zero outside help.

Nice try faking your written accent.

Omg, lol.. oh well... (I am the previous poster, first time posting in this thread), but Ok... this forum is definitely a joke.