Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people so afraid of learning the non-White washed history of our country? I get it's ugly and grotesque and hard to imagine that this is the foundation we were built on, but it's accurate and it's untaught. How many of you knew about Tulsa and Black Wall Street until let's say the last 10 years? Most of us didn't, because **we weren't taught the actual history of our country.** We were taught what the throngs of white men decided we should know. This class and others like it are taking a critical look at *actual* history, and *actual experiences* of Black people in our country. If you don't want to learn about it, it's so frickin' simple to not take the class. But it's just as much an "agenda," if not more so, to remove the curriculum entirely than it is to simply let people who are interested take the frickin' class.

I'm 54. I absolutely learned all about the Tulsa massacre in school. My kids have learned about it as well. Why? Because it's a factual part of our history and as such, taught in history classes. The "queer experience" is something that ALL races experience. It's not specific to black people, nor should it be taught in history class. Gender studies? Sure.

I’m also in my mid-50’s, grew up in the midwest, have family ties to Oklahoma, and first heard of the Tulsa massacre around 15 years ago.

And what a weird take that the experience of queer black Americans isn’t something to study in an African American history class. Are they black? Yes? Did they have a different experience than straight black Americans? Why is that something to avoid discussing? Are classes also not supposed to mention what black women experienced in terms of rape by white men?

Is the "queer experience" discussed in any other AP class? NO? Then, as previously stated, an AP Gender Studies class could be proposed. What a weird take that you think only black Americans have experienced these issues. And even weirder that you think it should be explored in a history class.

It’s not AP African American History, it’s AP African American Studies, which encompasses other subjects.

[Anonymous]

Florida better wake up.
DeSantis is doing a ton of executive orders none of which are good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are people so afraid of learning the non-White washed history of our country? I get it's ugly and grotesque and hard to imagine that this is the foundation we were built on, but it's accurate and it's untaught. How many of you knew about Tulsa and Black Wall Street until let's say the last 10 years? Most of us didn't, because **we weren't taught the actual history of our country.** We were taught what the throngs of white men decided we should know. This class and others like it are taking a critical look at *actual* history, and *actual experiences* of Black people in our country. If you don't want to learn about it, it's so frickin' simple to not take the class. But it's just as much an "agenda," if not more so, to remove the curriculum entirely than it is to simply let people who are interested take the frickin' class.

I'm 54. I absolutely learned all about the Tulsa massacre in school. My kids have learned about it as well. Why? Because it's a factual part of our history and as such, taught in history classes. The "queer experience" is something that ALL races experience. It's not specific to black people, nor should it be taught in history class. Gender studies? Sure.

I’m also in my mid-50’s, grew up in the midwest, have family ties to Oklahoma, and first heard of the Tulsa massacre around 15 years ago.

And what a weird take that the experience of queer black Americans isn’t something to study in an African American history class. Are they black? Yes? Did they have a different experience than straight black Americans? Why is that something to avoid discussing? Are classes also not supposed to mention what black women experienced in terms of rape by white men?

Is the "queer experience" discussed in any other AP class? NO? Then, as previously stated, an AP Gender Studies class could be proposed. What a weird take that you think only black Americans have experienced these issues. And even weirder that you think it should be explored in a history class.

You're going to be really disappointed to learn that the Gay Rights Movement is covered in AP US History. Shhhh, don't tell DeSantis. the former high school history teacher

https://library.fiveable.me/apush/unit-8/expansion-of-civil-rights-movement/study-guide/4JIzz1rguSts5wCf7Odr

[Anonymous]

All of this back-and-forthing when the new curriculum will be out tomorrow. Why are you arguing about yesterday's news? Patience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are people so afraid of learning the non-White washed history of our country? I get it's ugly and grotesque and hard to imagine that this is the foundation we were built on, but it's accurate and it's untaught. How many of you knew about Tulsa and Black Wall Street until let's say the last 10 years? Most of us didn't, because **we weren't taught the actual history of our country.** We were taught what the throngs of white men decided we should know. This class and others like it are taking a critical look at *actual* history, and *actual experiences* of Black people in our country. If you don't want to learn about it, it's so frickin' simple to not take the class. But it's just as much an "agenda," if not more so, to remove the curriculum entirely than it is to simply let people who are interested take the frickin' class.

I'm 54. I absolutely learned all about the Tulsa massacre in school. My kids have learned about it as well. Why? Because it's a factual part of our history and as such, taught in history classes. The "queer experience" is something that ALL races experience. It's not specific to black people, nor should it be taught in history class. Gender studies? Sure.

I’m also in my mid-50’s, grew up in the midwest, have family ties to Oklahoma, and first heard of the Tulsa massacre around 15 years ago.

And what a weird take that the experience of queer black Americans isn’t something to study in an African American history class. Are they black? Yes? Did they have a different experience than straight black Americans? Why is that something to avoid discussing? Are classes also not supposed to mention what black women experienced in terms of rape by white men?

Is the "queer experience" discussed in any other AP class? NO? Then, as previously stated, an AP Gender Studies class could be proposed. What a weird take that you think only black Americans have experienced these issues. And even weirder that you think it should be explored in a history class.

You're going to be really disappointed to learn that the Gay Rights Movement is covered in AP US History. Shhhh, don't tell DeSantis. the former high school history teacher

https://library.fiveable.me/apush/unit-8/expansion-of-civil-rights-movement/study-guide/4JIzz1rguSts5wCf7Odr

Not disappointed at all - I already knew that, but thanks! Did YOU know the Gay Rights Movement encompasses people of ALL races? Not just one race? So, as you point out, AP US History already covers that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are people so afraid of learning the non-White washed history of our country? I get it's ugly and grotesque and hard to imagine that this is the foundation we were built on, but it's accurate and it's untaught. How many of you knew about Tulsa and Black Wall Street until let's say the last 10 years? Most of us didn't, because **we weren't taught the actual history of our country.** We were taught what the throngs of white men decided we should know. This class and others like it are taking a critical look at *actual* history, and *actual experiences* of Black people in our country. If you don't want to learn about it, it's so frickin' simple to not take the class. But it's just as much an "agenda," if not more so, to remove the curriculum entirely than it is to simply let people who are interested take the frickin' class.

I'm 54. I absolutely learned all about the Tulsa massacre in school. My kids have learned about it as well. Why? Because it's a factual part of our history and as such, taught in history classes. The "queer experience" is something that ALL races experience. It's not specific to black people, nor should it be taught in history class. Gender studies? Sure.

I’m also in my mid-50’s, grew up in the midwest, have family ties to Oklahoma, and first heard of the Tulsa massacre around 15 years ago.

And what a weird take that the experience of queer black Americans isn’t something to study in an African American history class. Are they black? Yes? Did they have a different experience than straight black Americans? Why is that something to avoid discussing? Are classes also not supposed to mention what black women experienced in terms of rape by white men?

Is the "queer experience" discussed in any other AP class? NO? Then, as previously stated, an AP Gender Studies class could be proposed. What a weird take that you think only black Americans have experienced these issues. And even weirder that you think it should be explored in a history class.

Who said “only black Americans have experienced these issues”? Oh YOU did, that’s who.

And who thinks you can’t address the same topic in more than one class??? Oh, YOU do! Lol. Tell us you are not a scholar or professor without telling us you’re not a scholar or professor. What a weird thing to argue.

History is never taught merely as a list of “facts.” What a snoozer that would be. But guess what, it’s a fact that there are black queers. Their experience consists of facts. Things happened to them. They can be discussed in — wait for it — an AA STUDIES class. Not an AA HISTORY class. Studies my friend, studies.

In such a class you can study the variety of experiences that different African Americans had, whether they were women, men, straight, queer, northerners, southerners, able-bodied, disabled, hearing or deaf.

And guess what, you can also discuss these things in OTHER classes!! Gender studies if you like. Amazing that learning is like that. You can learn about history in a foreign language or literature class. You can learn about politics in a history class. You can discuss religion in a political science class! Hurrah for academic freedom!

So let me guess - you're not Black.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are people so afraid of learning the non-White washed history of our country? I get it's ugly and grotesque and hard to imagine that this is the foundation we were built on, but it's accurate and it's untaught. How many of you knew about Tulsa and Black Wall Street until let's say the last 10 years? Most of us didn't, because **we weren't taught the actual history of our country.** We were taught what the throngs of white men decided we should know. This class and others like it are taking a critical look at *actual* history, and *actual experiences* of Black people in our country. If you don't want to learn about it, it's so frickin' simple to not take the class. But it's just as much an "agenda," if not more so, to remove the curriculum entirely than it is to simply let people who are interested take the frickin' class.

I'm 54. I absolutely learned all about the Tulsa massacre in school. My kids have learned about it as well. Why? Because it's a factual part of our history and as such, taught in history classes. The "queer experience" is something that ALL races experience. It's not specific to black people, nor should it be taught in history class. Gender studies? Sure.

I’m also in my mid-50’s, grew up in the midwest, have family ties to Oklahoma, and first heard of the Tulsa massacre around 15 years ago.

And what a weird take that the experience of queer black Americans isn’t something to study in an African American history class. Are they black? Yes? Did they have a different experience than straight black Americans? Why is that something to avoid discussing? Are classes also not supposed to mention what black women experienced in terms of rape by white men?

Is the "queer experience" discussed in any other AP class? NO? Then, as previously stated, an AP Gender Studies class could be proposed. What a weird take that you think only black Americans have experienced these issues. And even weirder that you think it should be explored in a history class.

Who said “only black Americans have experienced these issues”? Oh YOU did, that’s who.

And who thinks you can’t address the same topic in more than one class??? Oh, YOU do! Lol. Tell us you are not a scholar or professor without telling us you’re not a scholar or professor. What a weird thing to argue.

History is never taught merely as a list of “facts.” What a snoozer that would be. But guess what, it’s a fact that there are black queers. Their experience consists of facts. Things happened to them. They can be discussed in — wait for it — an AA STUDIES class. Not an AA HISTORY class. Studies my friend, studies.

In such a class you can study the variety of experiences that different African Americans had, whether they were women, men, straight, queer, northerners, southerners, able-bodied, disabled, hearing or deaf.

And guess what, you can also discuss these things in OTHER classes!! Gender studies if you like. Amazing that learning is like that. You can learn about history in a foreign language or literature class. You can learn about politics in a history class. You can discuss religion in a political science class! Hurrah for academic freedom!

So let me guess - you're not Black.

Precisely. - DP

[Anonymous]

Question: Did Desantis pick apart all AP curricula? Or did he just examine the AA one?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Question: Did Desantis pick apart all AP curricula? Or did he just examine the AA one?

What other AP curricula pushes a certain agenda? We'll wait.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question: Did Desantis pick apart all AP curricula? Or did he just examine the AA one?

What other AP curricula pushes a certain agenda? We'll wait.

Certain agenda? And what is that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Question: Did Desantis pick apart all AP curricula? Or did he just examine the AA one?

What other AP curricula pushes a certain agenda? We'll wait.

Certain agenda? And what is that?

Centering the lives of black people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Question: Did Desantis pick apart all AP curricula? Or did he just examine the AA one?

What other AP curricula pushes a certain agenda? We'll wait.

a·gen·da
/əˈjendə/

noun
1. a list of items to be discussed at a formal meeting.


Well, PP’s, I’d guess all of them have their own certain list of things to discuss.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are people so afraid of learning the non-White washed history of our country? I get it's ugly and grotesque and hard to imagine that this is the foundation we were built on, but it's accurate and it's untaught. How many of you knew about Tulsa and Black Wall Street until let's say the last 10 years? Most of us didn't, because **we weren't taught the actual history of our country.** We were taught what the throngs of white men decided we should know. This class and others like it are taking a critical look at *actual* history, and *actual experiences* of Black people in our country. If you don't want to learn about it, it's so frickin' simple to not take the class. But it's just as much an "agenda," if not more so, to remove the curriculum entirely than it is to simply let people who are interested take the frickin' class.

I'm 54. I absolutely learned all about the Tulsa massacre in school. My kids have learned about it as well. Why? Because it's a factual part of our history and as such, taught in history classes. The "queer experience" is something that ALL races experience. It's not specific to black people, nor should it be taught in history class. Gender studies? Sure.

I’m also in my mid-50’s, grew up in the midwest, have family ties to Oklahoma, and first heard of the Tulsa massacre around 15 years ago.

And what a weird take that the experience of queer black Americans isn’t something to study in an African American history class. Are they black? Yes? Did they have a different experience than straight black Americans? Why is that something to avoid discussing? Are classes also not supposed to mention what black women experienced in terms of rape by white men?

Is the "queer experience" discussed in any other AP class? NO? Then, as previously stated, an AP Gender Studies class could be proposed. What a weird take that you think only black Americans have experienced these issues. And even weirder that you think it should be explored in a history class.

You're going to be really disappointed to learn that the Gay Rights Movement is covered in AP US History. Shhhh, don't tell DeSantis. the former high school history teacher

https://library.fiveable.me/apush/unit-8/expansion-of-civil-rights-movement/study-guide/4JIzz1rguSts5wCf7Odr

Not disappointed at all - I already knew that, but thanks! Did YOU know the Gay Rights Movement encompasses people of ALL races? Not just one race? So, as you point out, AP US History already covers that.

You really can’t stand to think that Black Americans get some spotlight through a class, can you. Are you jealous?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Question: Did Desantis pick apart all AP curricula? Or did he just examine the AA one?

My point is that we will not know about other curricula pushing opinion unless we open them up too. Is the Chinese Language and Culture AP making negative statements about communism? Is so, that would be wrong, and it should be pulled.

[Anonymous]

The official curriculum has been released today and it appears to make all of the controversial subjects from unit 4 optional subjects for a research project rather than parts of the curriculum taught and discussed in class.