Should so called “thanksgiving” be a national day of mourning?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you know other cultures have Thanksgiving to celebrate the harvest? They didn’t all conquer North America.

So maybe we shouldn’t have based this holiday on the myth about “pilgrims and Indians”.

Schools are dropping any mention of Indians at all. It's not just turkeys and Pilgrims. Sounds like that ought to make some people happy, everyone will just forget about them.

Yup. They want to pretend like it never happened. Or the people aren’t still suffering today.

Revisionist history to the max.

Not so much revisionist as irrelevant. People are moving forward, why should they dwell on the past when it has nothing to do with them? Obviously the people who were hurt feel differently, but they aren't making much of an impact convincing anyone else to put their needs first. Everyone has their own problems these days.

Why do we bother to learn any history at all? It all happened in the past. Why dwell on any of it?

Maybe if we don’t sugar coat history just to make white people feel comfortable then we can learn from our mistakes and do better in the future.

Ha, as if white people are only bad. So do the Plymouth protestors also cover the section in history where native Americans own African slaves? Yes, it really existed:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/how-native-american-slaveholders-complicate-trail-tears-narrative-180968339/

Let's also not even get into the entire violent and oppressive histories all across Asia, the Arab slave trade, etc. It's almost as if everyone's history is filled with oppression.

Go crawl under a rock and cry about it, because it will never end.

Strawman. We are talking about *our* history and treatment of indigenous people.

Yes, enslaving people is bad. Also, mass murdering and oppressing indigenous people is wrong.

Why is it so difficult for some people to acknowledge that?

Indigenous history is our history. They owned slaves. Why are we whitewashing native American history? They were slave owners.

Right. The Asian and Arab slave trade is not our history.

As I already said, yes, enslaving people is bad. No one has claimed otherwise.

Also, mass murdering and oppressing indigenous people is wrong. Wouldn’t you agree?

Sure oppressing people is wrong. Germany is wrong for killing millions of Jews. Japan is wrong for killing millions during WW2 too. I don't think Germany and Japan need to be forced to 'mourn' or have a day of 'repenting' for what they did. History is history.

Germany and Japan each paid massive reparations and we do have memorial days. ??

These are people living within our country. Our responsibility continues. Acknowledging their loss is the least we should do.

We already have Indigenous Peoples' Day. And yet, that's not good enough even thought that's what you're asking for. So, what do you really want to happen?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you know other cultures have Thanksgiving to celebrate the harvest? They didn’t all conquer North America.

So maybe we shouldn’t have based this holiday on the myth about “pilgrims and Indians”.

Schools are dropping any mention of Indians at all. It's not just turkeys and Pilgrims. Sounds like that ought to make some people happy, everyone will just forget about them.

Yup. They want to pretend like it never happened. Or the people aren’t still suffering today.

Revisionist history to the max.

Not so much revisionist as irrelevant. People are moving forward, why should they dwell on the past when it has nothing to do with them? Obviously the people who were hurt feel differently, but they aren't making much of an impact convincing anyone else to put their needs first. Everyone has their own problems these days.

Why do we bother to learn any history at all? It all happened in the past. Why dwell on any of it?

Maybe if we don’t sugar coat history just to make white people feel comfortable then we can learn from our mistakes and do better in the future.

Ha, as if white people are only bad. So do the Plymouth protestors also cover the section in history where native Americans own African slaves? Yes, it really existed:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/how-native-american-slaveholders-complicate-trail-tears-narrative-180968339/

Let's also not even get into the entire violent and oppressive histories all across Asia, the Arab slave trade, etc. It's almost as if everyone's history is filled with oppression.

Go crawl under a rock and cry about it, because it will never end.

Strawman. We are talking about *our* history and treatment of indigenous people.

Yes, enslaving people is bad. Also, mass murdering and oppressing indigenous people is wrong.

Why is it so difficult for some people to acknowledge that?

Indigenous history is our history. They owned slaves. Why are we whitewashing native American history? They were slave owners.

Right. The Asian and Arab slave trade is not our history.

As I already said, yes, enslaving people is bad. No one has claimed otherwise.

Also, mass murdering and oppressing indigenous people is wrong. Wouldn’t you agree?

Sure oppressing people is wrong. Germany is wrong for killing millions of Jews. Japan is wrong for killing millions during WW2 too. I don't think Germany and Japan need to be forced to 'mourn' or have a day of 'repenting' for what they did. History is history.

Germany and Japan each paid massive reparations and we do have memorial days. ??

These are people living within our country. Our responsibility continues. Acknowledging their loss is the least we should do.

We already have Indigenous Peoples' Day. And yet, that's not good enough even thought that's what you're asking for. So, what do you really want to happen?

I’m not personally asking for anything.

On Thanksgiving, I do think we, the people in the US, should acknowledge the reality/perspective of the other people who were at this feast of our lore. If we are reflecting on all that we have, we can acknowledge there was also a massive human cost behind it.

Outside this holiday, we, the people of the US, should fix the wrongs that still persist today.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you know other cultures have Thanksgiving to celebrate the harvest? They didn’t all conquer North America.

So maybe we shouldn’t have based this holiday on the myth about “pilgrims and Indians”.

Schools are dropping any mention of Indians at all. It's not just turkeys and Pilgrims. Sounds like that ought to make some people happy, everyone will just forget about them.

Yup. They want to pretend like it never happened. Or the people aren’t still suffering today.

Revisionist history to the max.

Not so much revisionist as irrelevant. People are moving forward, why should they dwell on the past when it has nothing to do with them? Obviously the people who were hurt feel differently, but they aren't making much of an impact convincing anyone else to put their needs first. Everyone has their own problems these days.

Why do we bother to learn any history at all? It all happened in the past. Why dwell on any of it?

Maybe if we don’t sugar coat history just to make white people feel comfortable then we can learn from our mistakes and do better in the future.

Ha, as if white people are only bad. So do the Plymouth protestors also cover the section in history where native Americans own African slaves? Yes, it really existed:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/how-native-american-slaveholders-complicate-trail-tears-narrative-180968339/

Let's also not even get into the entire violent and oppressive histories all across Asia, the Arab slave trade, etc. It's almost as if everyone's history is filled with oppression.

Go crawl under a rock and cry about it, because it will never end.

Strawman. We are talking about *our* history and treatment of indigenous people.

Yes, enslaving people is bad. Also, mass murdering and oppressing indigenous people is wrong.

Why is it so difficult for some people to acknowledge that?

Indigenous history is our history. They owned slaves. Why are we whitewashing native American history? They were slave owners.

Right. The Asian and Arab slave trade is not our history.

As I already said, yes, enslaving people is bad. No one has claimed otherwise.

Also, mass murdering and oppressing indigenous people is wrong. Wouldn’t you agree?

Sure oppressing people is wrong. Germany is wrong for killing millions of Jews. Japan is wrong for killing millions during WW2 too. I don't think Germany and Japan need to be forced to 'mourn' or have a day of 'repenting' for what they did. History is history.

Germany and Japan each paid massive reparations and we do have memorial days. ??

These are people living within our country. Our responsibility continues. Acknowledging their loss is the least we should do.

We already have Indigenous Peoples' Day. And yet, that's not good enough even thought that's what you're asking for. So, what do you really want to happen?

I’m not personally asking for anything.

On Thanksgiving, I do think we, the people in the US, should acknowledge the reality/perspective of the other people who were at this feast of our lore. If we are reflecting on all that we have, we can acknowledge there was also a massive human cost behind it.

Outside this holiday, we, the people of the US, should fix the wrongs that still persist today.

Exactly how would you like people to acknowledge the human cost? Should Grandma say "I'm sorry for the Trail of Tears, but thankful for my health" every year? What does that accomplish exactly? Say whatever you like at your table but the performative aspect of what you are suggesting is ridiculous. And until you give up your home and property to fix the wrongs you're a hypocrite. We also means you.

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The records indicate that 90 tribesmen came and brought four deer to the feast. And they all also ate "fowle" which could have been turkey or could have been something else.

Also, the woman (__ Hale) who pushed for this holiday was trying to bring the North and South together.

So the intentions were good both at the actual event and at the creation of the holiday.

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Poor turkeys. But... survival if the fittest!
Should plural be turkies?

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Here’s the thing. Most people are neither all good nor all bad. They are just people living their lives and trying to get through with their families. Most people didn’t them nor do now have the luxury of righting wrongs or even considering things that don’t affect them directly. That is why we look up to people who are ahead of their time or make great sacrifices in the name of something larger. Are we better and more thoughtful today? Sure but as it was then, people now are just trying to get by. Take care of their families and friends, gain a bit of security and find joy where they can. Most people are as moral as their circumstances allow. Trust me, in the years ahead we will be judged for doing something that future people think is awful that we don’t give much thought to. They will wonder how we failed to see that cows and pigs are sentient creatures and we farmed and ate them or something else so maybe don’t spend so much time on your high horse. All of us are just a product of our cultures and as much knowledge as we have access to and intelligence to synthesize.

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Anonymous wrote:The records indicate that 90 tribesmen came and brought four deer to the feast. And they all also ate "fowle" which could have been turkey or could have been something else.

Also, the woman (__ Hale) who pushed for this holiday was trying to bring the North and South together.

So the intentions were good both at the actual event and at the creation of the holiday.

Bringing people together is no way to be woke. Tearing people apart is the way.

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Anonymous wrote:The records indicate that 90 tribesmen came and brought four deer to the feast. And they all also ate "fowle" which could have been turkey or could have been something else.

Also, the woman (__ Hale) who pushed for this holiday was trying to bring the North and South together.

So the intentions were good both at the actual event and at the creation of the holiday.

Thank you for this. Happy Thanksgiving!

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Anonymous wrote:Do you know other cultures have Thanksgiving to celebrate the harvest? They didn’t all conquer North America.

So maybe we shouldn’t have based this holiday on the myth about “pilgrims and Indians”.

Schools are dropping any mention of Indians at all. It's not just turkeys and Pilgrims. Sounds like that ought to make some people happy, everyone will just forget about them.

Yup. They want to pretend like it never happened. Or the people aren’t still suffering today.

Revisionist history to the max.

Not so much revisionist as irrelevant. People are moving forward, why should they dwell on the past when it has nothing to do with them? Obviously the people who were hurt feel differently, but they aren't making much of an impact convincing anyone else to put their needs first. Everyone has their own problems these days.

Why do we bother to learn any history at all? It all happened in the past. Why dwell on any of it?

Maybe if we don’t sugar coat history just to make white people feel comfortable then we can learn from our mistakes and do better in the future.

Ha, as if white people are only bad. So do the Plymouth protestors also cover the section in history where native Americans own African slaves? Yes, it really existed:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/how-native-american-slaveholders-complicate-trail-tears-narrative-180968339/

Let's also not even get into the entire violent and oppressive histories all across Asia, the Arab slave trade, etc. It's almost as if everyone's history is filled with oppression.

Go crawl under a rock and cry about it, because it will never end.

Strawman. We are talking about *our* history and treatment of indigenous people.

Yes, enslaving people is bad. Also, mass murdering and oppressing indigenous people is wrong.

Why is it so difficult for some people to acknowledge that?

Indigenous history is our history. They owned slaves. Why are we whitewashing native American history? They were slave owners.

Right. The Asian and Arab slave trade is not our history.

As I already said, yes, enslaving people is bad. No one has claimed otherwise.

Also, mass murdering and oppressing indigenous people is wrong. Wouldn’t you agree?

Sure oppressing people is wrong. Germany is wrong for killing millions of Jews. Japan is wrong for killing millions during WW2 too. I don't think Germany and Japan need to be forced to 'mourn' or have a day of 'repenting' for what they did. History is history.

Germany and Japan each paid massive reparations and we do have memorial days. ??

These are people living within our country. Our responsibility continues. Acknowledging their loss is the least we should do.

We already have Indigenous Peoples' Day. And yet, that's not good enough even thought that's what you're asking for. So, what do you really want to happen?

I’m not personally asking for anything.

On Thanksgiving, I do think we, the people in the US, should acknowledge the reality/perspective of the other people who were at this feast of our lore. If we are reflecting on all that we have, we can acknowledge there was also a massive human cost behind it.

Outside this holiday, we, the people of the US, should fix the wrongs that still persist today.

Exactly how would you like people to acknowledge the human cost? Should Grandma say "I'm sorry for the Trail of Tears, but thankful for my health" every year? What does that accomplish exactly? Say whatever you like at your table but the performative aspect of what you are suggesting is ridiculous. And until you give up your home and property to fix the wrongs you're a hypocrite. We also means you.

We could acknowledge it in public schools. Include multiple perspectives of history.

In addition to pardoning turkeys, the POTUS could host a function for tribal leaders. Broadcast between football games.

If they are part of “the story”, include their voice.

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Anonymous wrote:The records indicate that 90 tribesmen came and brought four deer to the feast. And they all also ate "fowle" which could have been turkey or could have been something else.

Also, the woman (__ Hale) who pushed for this holiday was trying to bring the North and South together.

So the intentions were good both at the actual event and at the creation of the holiday.

Bringing people together is no way to be woke. Tearing people apart is the way.

You don’t understand “woke”. You sound like a dumb MAGA throwing it around incorrectly.

The goal is to be MORE inclusive. Bring MORE people together. Include the stories and perspectives of the actual people there, not just the caricature white people fabricated later for ulterior purposes.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you know other cultures have Thanksgiving to celebrate the harvest? They didn’t all conquer North America.

So maybe we shouldn’t have based this holiday on the myth about “pilgrims and Indians”.

Schools are dropping any mention of Indians at all. It's not just turkeys and Pilgrims. Sounds like that ought to make some people happy, everyone will just forget about them.

Yup. They want to pretend like it never happened. Or the people aren’t still suffering today.

Revisionist history to the max.

Not so much revisionist as irrelevant. People are moving forward, why should they dwell on the past when it has nothing to do with them? Obviously the people who were hurt feel differently, but they aren't making much of an impact convincing anyone else to put their needs first. Everyone has their own problems these days.

Why do we bother to learn any history at all? It all happened in the past. Why dwell on any of it?

Maybe if we don’t sugar coat history just to make white people feel comfortable then we can learn from our mistakes and do better in the future.

Ha, as if white people are only bad. So do the Plymouth protestors also cover the section in history where native Americans own African slaves? Yes, it really existed:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/how-native-american-slaveholders-complicate-trail-tears-narrative-180968339/

Let's also not even get into the entire violent and oppressive histories all across Asia, the Arab slave trade, etc. It's almost as if everyone's history is filled with oppression.

Go crawl under a rock and cry about it, because it will never end.

Strawman. We are talking about *our* history and treatment of indigenous people.

Yes, enslaving people is bad. Also, mass murdering and oppressing indigenous people is wrong.

Why is it so difficult for some people to acknowledge that?

Indigenous history is our history. They owned slaves. Why are we whitewashing native American history? They were slave owners.

Right. The Asian and Arab slave trade is not our history.

As I already said, yes, enslaving people is bad. No one has claimed otherwise.

Also, mass murdering and oppressing indigenous people is wrong. Wouldn’t you agree?

Sure oppressing people is wrong. Germany is wrong for killing millions of Jews. Japan is wrong for killing millions during WW2 too. I don't think Germany and Japan need to be forced to 'mourn' or have a day of 'repenting' for what they did. History is history.

Germany and Japan each paid massive reparations and we do have memorial days. ??

These are people living within our country. Our responsibility continues. Acknowledging their loss is the least we should do.

We already have Indigenous Peoples' Day. And yet, that's not good enough even thought that's what you're asking for. So, what do you really want to happen?

I’m not personally asking for anything.

On Thanksgiving, I do think we, the people in the US, should acknowledge the reality/perspective of the other people who were at this feast of our lore. If we are reflecting on all that we have, we can acknowledge there was also a massive human cost behind it.

Outside this holiday, we, the people of the US, should fix the wrongs that still persist today.

Exactly how would you like people to acknowledge the human cost? Should Grandma say "I'm sorry for the Trail of Tears, but thankful for my health" every year? What does that accomplish exactly? Say whatever you like at your table but the performative aspect of what you are suggesting is ridiculous. And until you give up your home and property to fix the wrongs you're a hypocrite. We also means you.

We could acknowledge it in public schools. Include multiple perspectives of history.

In addition to pardoning turkeys, the POTUS could host a function for tribal leaders. Broadcast between football games.

If they are part of “the story”, include their voice.

Cool, you get on that PSA. Your average person isn't going to tune into a function for tribal leaders. And they will be using the restroom between football games. Are you always this ineffective at change? Lot of lip service with no real impact. Embarrassing. Are you an actual adult?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you know other cultures have Thanksgiving to celebrate the harvest? They didn’t all conquer North America.

So maybe we shouldn’t have based this holiday on the myth about “pilgrims and Indians”.

Schools are dropping any mention of Indians at all. It's not just turkeys and Pilgrims. Sounds like that ought to make some people happy, everyone will just forget about them.

Yup. They want to pretend like it never happened. Or the people aren’t still suffering today.

Revisionist history to the max.

Not so much revisionist as irrelevant. People are moving forward, why should they dwell on the past when it has nothing to do with them? Obviously the people who were hurt feel differently, but they aren't making much of an impact convincing anyone else to put their needs first. Everyone has their own problems these days.

Why do we bother to learn any history at all? It all happened in the past. Why dwell on any of it?

Maybe if we don’t sugar coat history just to make white people feel comfortable then we can learn from our mistakes and do better in the future.

Ha, as if white people are only bad. So do the Plymouth protestors also cover the section in history where native Americans own African slaves? Yes, it really existed:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/how-native-american-slaveholders-complicate-trail-tears-narrative-180968339/

Let's also not even get into the entire violent and oppressive histories all across Asia, the Arab slave trade, etc. It's almost as if everyone's history is filled with oppression.

Go crawl under a rock and cry about it, because it will never end.

Strawman. We are talking about *our* history and treatment of indigenous people.

Yes, enslaving people is bad. Also, mass murdering and oppressing indigenous people is wrong.

Why is it so difficult for some people to acknowledge that?

Indigenous history is our history. They owned slaves. Why are we whitewashing native American history? They were slave owners.

Right. The Asian and Arab slave trade is not our history.

As I already said, yes, enslaving people is bad. No one has claimed otherwise.

Also, mass murdering and oppressing indigenous people is wrong. Wouldn’t you agree?

Sure oppressing people is wrong. Germany is wrong for killing millions of Jews. Japan is wrong for killing millions during WW2 too. I don't think Germany and Japan need to be forced to 'mourn' or have a day of 'repenting' for what they did. History is history.

Germany and Japan each paid massive reparations and we do have memorial days. ??

These are people living within our country. Our responsibility continues. Acknowledging their loss is the least we should do.

We already have Indigenous Peoples' Day. And yet, that's not good enough even thought that's what you're asking for. So, what do you really want to happen?

I’m not personally asking for anything.

On Thanksgiving, I do think we, the people in the US, should acknowledge the reality/perspective of the other people who were at this feast of our lore. If we are reflecting on all that we have, we can acknowledge there was also a massive human cost behind it.

Outside this holiday, we, the people of the US, should fix the wrongs that still persist today.

Exactly how would you like people to acknowledge the human cost? Should Grandma say "I'm sorry for the Trail of Tears, but thankful for my health" every year? What does that accomplish exactly? Say whatever you like at your table but the performative aspect of what you are suggesting is ridiculous. And until you give up your home and property to fix the wrongs you're a hypocrite. We also means you.

We could acknowledge it in public schools. Include multiple perspectives of history.

In addition to pardoning turkeys, the POTUS could host a function for tribal leaders. Broadcast between football games.

If they are part of “the story”, include their voice.

Yesterday the Mattaponi and Pamunkey tribes paid tribute to Governor Youngkin, as they have every year for 300 years. That includes their voice in the story.

https://www.wric.com/news/local-news/richmond/governor-youngkin-hosts-mattaponi-pamunkey-tribes-for-annual-tax-tribute-ceremony/

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Anonymous wrote:Do you know other cultures have Thanksgiving to celebrate the harvest? They didn’t all conquer North America.

So maybe we shouldn’t have based this holiday on the myth about “pilgrims and Indians”.

Schools are dropping any mention of Indians at all. It's not just turkeys and Pilgrims. Sounds like that ought to make some people happy, everyone will just forget about them.

Yup. They want to pretend like it never happened. Or the people aren’t still suffering today.

Revisionist history to the max.

Not so much revisionist as irrelevant. People are moving forward, why should they dwell on the past when it has nothing to do with them? Obviously the people who were hurt feel differently, but they aren't making much of an impact convincing anyone else to put their needs first. Everyone has their own problems these days.

Why do we bother to learn any history at all? It all happened in the past. Why dwell on any of it?

Maybe if we don’t sugar coat history just to make white people feel comfortable then we can learn from our mistakes and do better in the future.

Ha, as if white people are only bad. So do the Plymouth protestors also cover the section in history where native Americans own African slaves? Yes, it really existed:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/how-native-american-slaveholders-complicate-trail-tears-narrative-180968339/

Let's also not even get into the entire violent and oppressive histories all across Asia, the Arab slave trade, etc. It's almost as if everyone's history is filled with oppression.

Go crawl under a rock and cry about it, because it will never end.

Strawman. We are talking about *our* history and treatment of indigenous people.

Yes, enslaving people is bad. Also, mass murdering and oppressing indigenous people is wrong.

Why is it so difficult for some people to acknowledge that?

Indigenous history is our history. They owned slaves. Why are we whitewashing native American history? They were slave owners.

Right. The Asian and Arab slave trade is not our history.

As I already said, yes, enslaving people is bad. No one has claimed otherwise.

Also, mass murdering and oppressing indigenous people is wrong. Wouldn’t you agree?

Sure oppressing people is wrong. Germany is wrong for killing millions of Jews. Japan is wrong for killing millions during WW2 too. I don't think Germany and Japan need to be forced to 'mourn' or have a day of 'repenting' for what they did. History is history.

Germany and Japan each paid massive reparations and we do have memorial days. ??

These are people living within our country. Our responsibility continues. Acknowledging their loss is the least we should do.

We already have Indigenous Peoples' Day. And yet, that's not good enough even thought that's what you're asking for. So, what do you really want to happen?

I’m not personally asking for anything.

On Thanksgiving, I do think we, the people in the US, should acknowledge the reality/perspective of the other people who were at this feast of our lore. If we are reflecting on all that we have, we can acknowledge there was also a massive human cost behind it.

Outside this holiday, we, the people of the US, should fix the wrongs that still persist today.

Exactly how would you like people to acknowledge the human cost? Should Grandma say "I'm sorry for the Trail of Tears, but thankful for my health" every year? What does that accomplish exactly? Say whatever you like at your table but the performative aspect of what you are suggesting is ridiculous. And until you give up your home and property to fix the wrongs you're a hypocrite. We also means you.

We could acknowledge it in public schools. Include multiple perspectives of history.

In addition to pardoning turkeys, the POTUS could host a function for tribal leaders. Broadcast between football games.

If they are part of “the story”, include their voice.

People who say things like this are totally unfamiliar with history curricula and lesson plans. Trust me, the "indigenous" perspective and the "enslaved" perspective receive plenty of coverage.

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Anonymous wrote:Assimilation is not a bad thing. Wave after wave of immigrants have been assimilated and now are just Americans.

And for better or worse, American Indians have chosen not to assimilate, or to both assimilate and not assimilate. Not sure that some of these posters know this or are willing to acknowledge this.

They were here first. Europeans chose not to assimilate.

I'm genuinely struck by how good a point this is. No snark.

Ok.

Should the Latinos coming to MoCo assimilate? English only?

Or should mcps cancel Halloween parties because the holiday rubs the newcomers the wrong way due to their religious beliefs?

That’s just one example. But I’m curious what you think. Should everyone assimilate, or should we be a melting pot and evolve?

I wasn't really taking a stance on assimilation itself. But I was thinking that as a general rule when people enter an established culture they do not destroy it. They may completely assimilate. They may create communities of people from their prior culture and interact with the greater population on a limited basis or they may even work to get aspects of their culture into the main stream.

The European settlers took a very different approach.

You would be wrong. Human history up through present day is one story of warring cultures killing each other after another. Thousands of lost cultures. I mean what is Russia doing to Ukraine? But especially 400 years ago that was the worldwide norm.

It isn't "one story" up through present day as you describe.

There were 100 people on the Mayflower. They arrived in a land that was known to be inhabited. Accepting the narrative that they were fleeing persecution or poverty (much like later immigrants) they should have acknowledged that not "warred". Or do you think that persecuted immigrants in modern day America should "war."?

The people on the Mayflower maintained fairly friendly relationships with the remaining Wampanoag (many had already died from disease.) You do know that more people came in the years that followed, right? Relationships were actually pretty good for the first 50 years or so. Read a book.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you know other cultures have Thanksgiving to celebrate the harvest? They didn’t all conquer North America.

So maybe we shouldn’t have based this holiday on the myth about “pilgrims and Indians”.

Schools are dropping any mention of Indians at all. It's not just turkeys and Pilgrims. Sounds like that ought to make some people happy, everyone will just forget about them.

Yup. They want to pretend like it never happened. Or the people aren’t still suffering today.

Revisionist history to the max.

Not so much revisionist as irrelevant. People are moving forward, why should they dwell on the past when it has nothing to do with them? Obviously the people who were hurt feel differently, but they aren't making much of an impact convincing anyone else to put their needs first. Everyone has their own problems these days.

Why do we bother to learn any history at all? It all happened in the past. Why dwell on any of it?

Maybe if we don’t sugar coat history just to make white people feel comfortable then we can learn from our mistakes and do better in the future.

Ha, as if white people are only bad. So do the Plymouth protestors also cover the section in history where native Americans own African slaves? Yes, it really existed:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/how-native-american-slaveholders-complicate-trail-tears-narrative-180968339/

Let's also not even get into the entire violent and oppressive histories all across Asia, the Arab slave trade, etc. It's almost as if everyone's history is filled with oppression.

Go crawl under a rock and cry about it, because it will never end.

Strawman. We are talking about *our* history and treatment of indigenous people.

Yes, enslaving people is bad. Also, mass murdering and oppressing indigenous people is wrong.

Why is it so difficult for some people to acknowledge that?

Indigenous history is our history. They owned slaves. Why are we whitewashing native American history? They were slave owners.

Right. The Asian and Arab slave trade is not our history.

As I already said, yes, enslaving people is bad. No one has claimed otherwise.

Also, mass murdering and oppressing indigenous people is wrong. Wouldn’t you agree?

Sure oppressing people is wrong. Germany is wrong for killing millions of Jews. Japan is wrong for killing millions during WW2 too. I don't think Germany and Japan need to be forced to 'mourn' or have a day of 'repenting' for what they did. History is history.

Germany and Japan each paid massive reparations and we do have memorial days. ??

These are people living within our country. Our responsibility continues. Acknowledging their loss is the least we should do.

We already have Indigenous Peoples' Day. And yet, that's not good enough even thought that's what you're asking for. So, what do you really want to happen?

I’m not personally asking for anything.

On Thanksgiving, I do think we, the people in the US, should acknowledge the reality/perspective of the other people who were at this feast of our lore. If we are reflecting on all that we have, we can acknowledge there was also a massive human cost behind it.

Outside this holiday, we, the people of the US, should fix the wrongs that still persist today.

Exactly how would you like people to acknowledge the human cost? Should Grandma say "I'm sorry for the Trail of Tears, but thankful for my health" every year? What does that accomplish exactly? Say whatever you like at your table but the performative aspect of what you are suggesting is ridiculous. And until you give up your home and property to fix the wrongs you're a hypocrite. We also means you.

We could acknowledge it in public schools. Include multiple perspectives of history.

In addition to pardoning turkeys, the POTUS could host a function for tribal leaders. Broadcast between football games.

If they are part of “the story”, include their voice.

People who say things like this are totally unfamiliar with history curricula and lesson plans. Trust me, the "indigenous" perspective and the "enslaved" perspective receive plenty of coverage.

Not everywhere.

And, in VA, the MAGA governor is trying to rewrite history of indigenous people.

https://nativenewsonline.net/education/va-education-dept-backtracks-from-labeling-native-americans-as-america-s-first-immigrants