Virginia couple sued by Afghan refugees of crazy scheme to kidnap their baby

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ Forgot to add that there is a whole political issue that is also a huge factor. The baby's parents were killed on or around September 5, 2019.

A few months before this was the time when the US was negotiating a withdrawal with the Taliban. The talks between U.S. special envoy Zalmay Khalilzad and top Taliban official Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar centered on the United States withdrawing its troops from Afghanistan in exchange for the Taliban pledging to block international terrorist groups from operating on Afghan soil.

So the position of the US and Taliban was that there weren't foreign fighters yet villagers and Army rangers say there were. So it was in the interest of officials on both sides to say a baby found was not foreign but Afghani.

This is also why DNA testing needs to be done.

1) the video you linked shows a little girl with dark hair. WITW are you talking about?

2) there are laws that handle situations like this, and as already discussed in posts above, the placement of the child falls under Afghan law. It doesn’t matter what you think or what you want to make you satisfied. It doesn’t matter what I think and it certainly doesn’t matter what the Masts think. Under Afghan law, a child that loses its parents is to be placed with a willing family member. If that isn’t possible, then the child is to be placed with a Muslim Afghan family. Joshua Mast is not an Afghan citizen and he’s also not Muslim. End of story. He has zero claim to this child when she was on Afghan soil. And luring her caretakers to bring her all the way to the US (aka child trafficking) doesn’t change that either.

The US is not going to ignore treaties and laws covering child trafficking and the courts have said as much. Under Afghan law a DNA is irrelevant. If the couple were to take a DNA test and it finds 0% difference they’re not disqualified from being the rightful guardians. You don’t seem to understand that. It has zero bearing in the case.

At 1:19 the video shows a blond kid. The child deserves to know who her biological family is. A DNA test absolutely is critical to resolving the case.

What Afghan government? The Taliban? The US doesn’t even recognize the Afghan govt . And neither do most countries.

The State Department absolutely does recognize and work with the Afghan government which right now is the Taliban. What have you been smoking?

This is from the State Department website:
On February 29, 2020, the United States and the Taliban signed the Doha Agreement, which led to the August 30, 2021, withdrawal of U.S. and Allied forces from Afghanistan. Since the forcible takeover by the Taliban in August 2021, culminating in the fall of Kabul on August 15, the United States has shifted to a position of pragmatic engagement in Afghanistan. The United States has not yet made a decision as to whether to recognize the Taliban or any other entity as the Government of Afghanistan or as part of such a government.

I work there. Troll harder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The child is five now. Likely some shared custody might be in the best interest of the child. For the sake of the child, being ripped away from your family to stay with people you don't know at 5 would be quite traumatic.

That was the Masts goal in delaying the case and keeping her this long, so it would be rewarding them.

Delay, delay, delay, then “It’s cruel to tear her away from the only family she knows!”

Sociopathic behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The child is five now. Likely some shared custody might be in the best interest of the child. For the sake of the child, being ripped away from your family to stay with people you don't know at 5 would be quite traumatic.

That was the Masts goal in delaying the case and keeping her this long, so it would be rewarding them.

Delay, delay, delay, then “It’s cruel to tear her away from the only family she knows!”

Sociopathic behavior.

How do they justify doing the exact same thing to her when she was two?

[Anonymous]

People the DNA arguer is Mast. This is now his current defense. We to ignore him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People the DNA arguer is Mast. This is now his current defense. We to ignore him.

I disagree with the DNA poster, but I always think it is profoundly silly when DCUM people always assume that a public or semi-public figure is hanging out on here defending themselves. Like, no, Alec Baldwin and Ivanka Trump’s stylist aren't on here arguing with suburban office workers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People the DNA arguer is Mast. This is now his current defense. We to ignore him.

I disagree with the DNA poster, but I always think it is profoundly silly when DCUM people always assume that a public or semi-public figure is hanging out on here defending themselves. Like, no, Alec Baldwin and Ivanka Trump’s stylist aren't on here arguing with suburban office workers.

I'm not the PP, but I think what that person meant is that the only person doubting the relationship between the baby and her cousin, the one who was raising her with his wife, is Mast. The concerns about the baby's DNA are another stalling tactic by Mast. The Afghan government, the Red Cross, the US military and State Department, the AP, etc . . . have all confirmed that he is Baby Doe's biological family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People the DNA arguer is Mast. This is now his current defense. We to ignore him.

I disagree with the DNA poster, but I always think it is profoundly silly when DCUM people always assume that a public or semi-public figure is hanging out on here defending themselves. Like, no, Alec Baldwin and Ivanka Trump’s stylist aren't on here arguing with suburban office workers.

I'm not the PP, but I think what that person meant is that the only person doubting the relationship between the baby and her cousin, the one who was raising her with his wife, is Mast. The concerns about the baby's DNA are another stalling tactic by Mast. The Afghan government, the Red Cross, the US military and State Department, the AP, etc . . . have all confirmed that he is Baby Doe's biological family.

+1 PP is a dope.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ Forgot to add that there is a whole political issue that is also a huge factor. The baby's parents were killed on or around September 5, 2019.

A few months before this was the time when the US was negotiating a withdrawal with the Taliban. The talks between U.S. special envoy Zalmay Khalilzad and top Taliban official Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar centered on the United States withdrawing its troops from Afghanistan in exchange for the Taliban pledging to block international terrorist groups from operating on Afghan soil.

So the position of the US and Taliban was that there weren't foreign fighters yet villagers and Army rangers say there were. So it was in the interest of officials on both sides to say a baby found was not foreign but Afghani.

This is also why DNA testing needs to be done.

1) the video you linked shows a little girl with dark hair. WITW are you talking about?

2) there are laws that handle situations like this, and as already discussed in posts above, the placement of the child falls under Afghan law. It doesn’t matter what you think or what you want to make you satisfied. It doesn’t matter what I think and it certainly doesn’t matter what the Masts think. Under Afghan law, a child that loses its parents is to be placed with a willing family member. If that isn’t possible, then the child is to be placed with a Muslim Afghan family. Joshua Mast is not an Afghan citizen and he’s also not Muslim. End of story. He has zero claim to this child when she was on Afghan soil. And luring her caretakers to bring her all the way to the US (aka child trafficking) doesn’t change that either.

The US is not going to ignore treaties and laws covering child trafficking and the courts have said as much. Under Afghan law a DNA is irrelevant. If the couple were to take a DNA test and it finds 0% difference they’re not disqualified from being the rightful guardians. You don’t seem to understand that. It has zero bearing in the case.

At 1:19 the video shows a blond kid. The child deserves to know who her biological family is. A DNA test absolutely is critical to resolving the case.

What Afghan government? The Taliban? The US doesn’t even recognize the Afghan govt . And neither do most countries.

The State Department absolutely does recognize and work with the Afghan government which right now is the Taliban. What have you been smoking?

This is from the State Department website:
On February 29, 2020, the United States and the Taliban signed the Doha Agreement, which led to the August 30, 2021, withdrawal of U.S. and Allied forces from Afghanistan. Since the forcible takeover by the Taliban in August 2021, culminating in the fall of Kabul on August 15, the United States has shifted to a position of pragmatic engagement in Afghanistan. The United States has not yet made a decision as to whether to recognize the Taliban or any other entity as the Government of Afghanistan or as part of such a government.

I work there. Troll harder.

You work where? The U.S. Department of State or Afghanistan? If you work for the US Department of State then you would know their website states that the US hasn't yet recognized the Afghani government. The quote is from their website - https://www.state.gov/countries-areas/afghanistan/

This is an article from Al Jazeera on June 23, 2023 - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/22/afghan-women-ban-makes-taliban-recognition-near-impossible-un

"Afghanistan’s Taliban government is not officially recognised by any foreign country or international organisation since seizing power in August 2021 as United States and NATO forces were in the final weeks of withdrawing from the country after two decades of war."


I am not a troll. I am not a Mast supporter. I don't think the child should ever have been brought to the United States. I am just a really skeptical person. I don't believe the Masts, but I also have doubts about what the military has released and what the whole story is behind the Afghani couple who appear to be refusing to provide a DNA sample.

AP published pictures from an AP photographer according to the credits - showing the mud and straw huts that were destroyed and described the place as a remote and impoverished region, "Here in this rugged desert, families live among the ruins of a 20-year war — rusted tanks, bombed-out houses, bullet-riddled buildings. Dust kicks up from the wheels of motorcycles on dirt paths, where squat mud homes blend into mountains that stretch for miles in every direction. It is a hard life: There are no paved roads, no running water or electricity, no bathrooms or cell service." https://apnews.com/article/afghanistan-raid-marine-orphan-custody-1e73bba608994a53fca37b904dfd9a81

So this farmer with ten kids who lives this hard life in the remote countryside coincidently has a nephew who according to the Afghan governments seems to be the ideal Afghan in the eyes of many Americans - they live in a city with access to a hospital, they are educated, he not only worked in a medical clinic he also ran a co-ed school, the wife graduated from high-school at the top of her class and is fluent in three languages, and they married for love and not in an arranged marriage.

Am I seriously the only one who thinks this is a little over the top?

And this girl has three orphaned siblings including a young brother who was injured in the same attack and spent a month in the hospital. Why hasn't this couple ever tried to get custody of him as well his two other siblings?

So again, I don't think the baby ever should have been brought to the United States. What the Masts did is absolutely wrong, and I also don't understand how they managed to keep her for so long. However, now that she is here DNA testing should be required because that is what is often done in other cases when there are unaccompanied refugee minors. From Afghanistan alone there have been over 1,000 unaccompanied minors.

The government policy when there is doubt is DNA testing.
FIELD GUIDANCE – Revised January 6, 2023 (First Issued on September 4, 2021)
RE: Field Guidance #19 – Unaccompanied Afghan Minor Processing
ORR [Office of Refugee Resettlement]determines a prior bona fide relationship exists, including to the satisfaction of ORR that the adult caregiver is entrusted with supervision of the child.
i. If there is a biological relationship between the child and the caregiver, ORR may use DNA testing, to the extent feasible, to determine such relationship

[Anonymous]

It really doesn't matter if they are related. Mast stole the child from this family that was caring from her. They took her from this family. The family should have her back. Joshua Mast should be court martialed and dishonorably discharged from the military for kidnapping.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ Forgot to add that there is a whole political issue that is also a huge factor. The baby's parents were killed on or around September 5, 2019.

A few months before this was the time when the US was negotiating a withdrawal with the Taliban. The talks between U.S. special envoy Zalmay Khalilzad and top Taliban official Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar centered on the United States withdrawing its troops from Afghanistan in exchange for the Taliban pledging to block international terrorist groups from operating on Afghan soil.

So the position of the US and Taliban was that there weren't foreign fighters yet villagers and Army rangers say there were. So it was in the interest of officials on both sides to say a baby found was not foreign but Afghani.

This is also why DNA testing needs to be done.

1) the video you linked shows a little girl with dark hair. WITW are you talking about?

2) there are laws that handle situations like this, and as already discussed in posts above, the placement of the child falls under Afghan law. It doesn’t matter what you think or what you want to make you satisfied. It doesn’t matter what I think and it certainly doesn’t matter what the Masts think. Under Afghan law, a child that loses its parents is to be placed with a willing family member. If that isn’t possible, then the child is to be placed with a Muslim Afghan family. Joshua Mast is not an Afghan citizen and he’s also not Muslim. End of story. He has zero claim to this child when she was on Afghan soil. And luring her caretakers to bring her all the way to the US (aka child trafficking) doesn’t change that either.

The US is not going to ignore treaties and laws covering child trafficking and the courts have said as much. Under Afghan law a DNA is irrelevant. If the couple were to take a DNA test and it finds 0% difference they’re not disqualified from being the rightful guardians. You don’t seem to understand that. It has zero bearing in the case.

At 1:19 the video shows a blond kid. The child deserves to know who her biological family is. A DNA test absolutely is critical to resolving the case.

What Afghan government? The Taliban? The US doesn’t even recognize the Afghan govt . And neither do most countries.

The State Department absolutely does recognize and work with the Afghan government which right now is the Taliban. What have you been smoking?

This is from the State Department website:
On February 29, 2020, the United States and the Taliban signed the Doha Agreement, which led to the August 30, 2021, withdrawal of U.S. and Allied forces from Afghanistan. Since the forcible takeover by the Taliban in August 2021, culminating in the fall of Kabul on August 15, the United States has shifted to a position of pragmatic engagement in Afghanistan. The United States has not yet made a decision as to whether to recognize the Taliban or any other entity as the Government of Afghanistan or as part of such a government.

I work there. Troll harder.

You work where? The U.S. Department of State or Afghanistan? If you work for the US Department of State then you would know their website states that the US hasn't yet recognized the Afghani government. The quote is from their website - https://www.state.gov/countries-areas/afghanistan/

This is an article from Al Jazeera on June 23, 2023 - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/22/afghan-women-ban-makes-taliban-recognition-near-impossible-un

"Afghanistan’s Taliban government is not officially recognised by any foreign country or international organisation since seizing power in August 2021 as United States and NATO forces were in the final weeks of withdrawing from the country after two decades of war."


I am not a troll. I am not a Mast supporter. I don't think the child should ever have been brought to the United States. I am just a really skeptical person. I don't believe the Masts, but I also have doubts about what the military has released and what the whole story is behind the Afghani couple who appear to be refusing to provide a DNA sample.

AP published pictures from an AP photographer according to the credits - showing the mud and straw huts that were destroyed and described the place as a remote and impoverished region, "Here in this rugged desert, families live among the ruins of a 20-year war — rusted tanks, bombed-out houses, bullet-riddled buildings. Dust kicks up from the wheels of motorcycles on dirt paths, where squat mud homes blend into mountains that stretch for miles in every direction. It is a hard life: There are no paved roads, no running water or electricity, no bathrooms or cell service." https://apnews.com/article/afghanistan-raid-marine-orphan-custody-1e73bba608994a53fca37b904dfd9a81

So this farmer with ten kids who lives this hard life in the remote countryside coincidently has a nephew who according to the Afghan governments seems to be the ideal Afghan in the eyes of many Americans - they live in a city with access to a hospital, they are educated, he not only worked in a medical clinic he also ran a co-ed school, the wife graduated from high-school at the top of her class and is fluent in three languages, and they married for love and not in an arranged marriage.

Am I seriously the only one who thinks this is a little over the top?

And this girl has three orphaned siblings including a young brother who was injured in the same attack and spent a month in the hospital. Why hasn't this couple ever tried to get custody of him as well his two other siblings?

So again, I don't think the baby ever should have been brought to the United States. What the Masts did is absolutely wrong, and I also don't understand how they managed to keep her for so long. However, now that she is here DNA testing should be required because that is what is often done in other cases when there are unaccompanied refugee minors. From Afghanistan alone there have been over 1,000 unaccompanied minors.

The government policy when there is doubt is DNA testing.
FIELD GUIDANCE – Revised January 6, 2023 (First Issued on September 4, 2021)
RE: Field Guidance #19 – Unaccompanied Afghan Minor Processing
ORR [Office of Refugee Resettlement]determines a prior bona fide relationship exists, including to the satisfaction of ORR that the adult caregiver is entrusted with supervision of the child.
i. If there is a biological relationship between the child and the caregiver, ORR may use DNA testing, to the extent feasible, to determine such relationship

There is absolutely no way this child was an "unaccompanied minor".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I lived in this region for two years for work. Sorry, but the entire region is a TERRIBLE place for girls and women! Honor killings happen….regularly. Girls and women in all levels of society spend lives mainly indoors, and their only entertainment is visiting other female relatives. They have no recourse if victims of domestic violence, which is very, very common and weirdly accepted as the norm by many of the local women I met or knew because that is just the way it is and the natural order is things. They are taught to be subservient to males in the family even if beaten, even if raped (actually, there is no concept of rape within marriage), and to never expect equal treatment. It is horrifying to behold. And not something that you can really understand if you don’t see it firsthand.

So I think the girl is lucky to have been taken from that. I hope the American family is allowed to keep her. It would be a tragedy if she were sent back to Afghanistan.

No one is suggesting that the child be sent back to Afghanistan. The family members seeking to raise her are legally in this country.

But furthermore, her cousin ran a coed school in Afghanistan. His wife is highly educated. Yes, there are families in Afghanistan who don't believe women should leave their homes, but there is no evidence that this particular family believes that.

You are very naive to believe these things. Which is understandable, because you haven’t lived in that region. I have.

That girl’s life will be hell if she returns. She has a much better life with this family in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I lived in this region for two years for work. Sorry, but the entire region is a TERRIBLE place for girls and women! Honor killings happen….regularly. Girls and women in all levels of society spend lives mainly indoors, and their only entertainment is visiting other female relatives. They have no recourse if victims of domestic violence, which is very, very common and weirdly accepted as the norm by many of the local women I met or knew because that is just the way it is and the natural order is things. They are taught to be subservient to males in the family even if beaten, even if raped (actually, there is no concept of rape within marriage), and to never expect equal treatment. It is horrifying to behold. And not something that you can really understand if you don’t see it firsthand.

So I think the girl is lucky to have been taken from that. I hope the American family is allowed to keep her. It would be a tragedy if she were sent back to Afghanistan.

No one is suggesting that the child be sent back to Afghanistan. The family members seeking to raise her are legally in this country.

But furthermore, her cousin ran a coed school in Afghanistan. His wife is highly educated. Yes, there are families in Afghanistan who don't believe women should leave their homes, but there is no evidence that this particular family believes that.

You are very naive to believe these things. Which is understandable, because you haven’t lived in that region. I have.

That girl’s life will be hell if she returns. She has a much better life with this family in the US.

Her family is living in Texas. Are you really saying she's better off living with child trafficking cult members in Virginia than with loving family in Texas?

[Anonymous]

Yes the whytes always think they are entitled to a heathen’s child if they desire it and they always think they are correct/right. This ideology hides behind religion all the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I lived in this region for two years for work. Sorry, but the entire region is a TERRIBLE place for girls and women! Honor killings happen….regularly. Girls and women in all levels of society spend lives mainly indoors, and their only entertainment is visiting other female relatives. They have no recourse if victims of domestic violence, which is very, very common and weirdly accepted as the norm by many of the local women I met or knew because that is just the way it is and the natural order is things. They are taught to be subservient to males in the family even if beaten, even if raped (actually, there is no concept of rape within marriage), and to never expect equal treatment. It is horrifying to behold. And not something that you can really understand if you don’t see it firsthand.

So I think the girl is lucky to have been taken from that. I hope the American family is allowed to keep her. It would be a tragedy if she were sent back to Afghanistan.

No one is suggesting that the child be sent back to Afghanistan. The family members seeking to raise her are legally in this country.

But furthermore, her cousin ran a coed school in Afghanistan. His wife is highly educated. Yes, there are families in Afghanistan who don't believe women should leave their homes, but there is no evidence that this particular family believes that.

You are very naive to believe these things. Which is understandable, because you haven’t lived in that region. I have.

That girl’s life will be hell if she returns. She has a much better life with this family in the US.

The Afghan family lives in Houston and has for several years. Can you read?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I lived in this region for two years for work. Sorry, but the entire region is a TERRIBLE place for girls and women! Honor killings happen….regularly. Girls and women in all levels of society spend lives mainly indoors, and their only entertainment is visiting other female relatives. They have no recourse if victims of domestic violence, which is very, very common and weirdly accepted as the norm by many of the local women I met or knew because that is just the way it is and the natural order is things. They are taught to be subservient to males in the family even if beaten, even if raped (actually, there is no concept of rape within marriage), and to never expect equal treatment. It is horrifying to behold. And not something that you can really understand if you don’t see it firsthand.

So I think the girl is lucky to have been taken from that. I hope the American family is allowed to keep her. It would be a tragedy if she were sent back to Afghanistan.

No one is suggesting that the child be sent back to Afghanistan. The family members seeking to raise her are legally in this country.

But furthermore, her cousin ran a coed school in Afghanistan. His wife is highly educated. Yes, there are families in Afghanistan who don't believe women should leave their homes, but there is no evidence that this particular family believes that.

You are very naive to believe these things. Which is understandable, because you haven’t lived in that region. I have.

That girl’s life will be hell if she returns. She has a much better life with this family in the US.

No, she won't have a better life with the criminals who took her. Whereas your kids would be better off with just about anyone but you.