My hot take - if you own an AR-15 you have a few loose screws

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Complete citation:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0002961022002057

The sustained effect of a temporary measure: Urban firearm mortality following expiration of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban

The comments here alone pretty much back up OP's hot take.

They cherry picked just 3 cities? Seriously??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Complete citation:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0002961022002057

The sustained effect of a temporary measure: Urban firearm mortality following expiration of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban

The comments here alone pretty much back up OP's hot take.

Apples and hammers comparison.

The 1990’s were a period of overall economic expansion and positivity. No pandemics, no unending wars, no 8 year hangover from the Great Recession, etc. people were overall much happier in the 90’s. I should know, I was there. I was a lot happier then. I’m mad AF a lot of the time now, and I’m not alone in that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Complete citation:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0002961022002057

The sustained effect of a temporary measure: Urban firearm mortality following expiration of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban

The comments here alone pretty much back up OP's hot take.

Apples and hammers comparison.

The 1990’s were a period of overall economic expansion and positivity. No pandemics, no unending wars, no 8 year hangover from the Great Recession, etc. people were overall much happier in the 90’s. I should know, I was there. I was a lot happier then. I’m mad AF a lot of the time now, and I’m not alone in that.

That is the kind of thing that would get picked up on the annual neuropsych testing many are advocating for (along with an assault weapon ban, annual training recertification, liability insurance, background screening on all sales and transfers).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Complete citation:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0002961022002057

The sustained effect of a temporary measure: Urban firearm mortality following expiration of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban

The comments here alone pretty much back up OP's hot take.

Apples and hammers comparison.

The 1990’s were a period of overall economic expansion and positivity. No pandemics, no unending wars, no 8 year hangover from the Great Recession, etc. people were overall much happier in the 90’s. I should know, I was there. I was a lot happier then. I’m mad AF a lot of the time now, and I’m not alone in that.

- and that “study” is a total joke.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, you people are over-thinking this. I am a late life (and retired law enforcement) gun collector. It’s a hobby I enjoy with my two sons and we like going to the range to shoot together. We aren’t into hunting; it’s not an obsession; there’s no political or doomsday reasoning behind it. Its just something that we find fun.

+1. The delusions some of these DCUM posters have about gun owners is incredible. There are certainly some wackos out there, but 99+% of gun owners will never harm anyone with their firearm, will never point their firearm at another human being, and have absolutely no desire to do so. It's not just that these posters don't like guns; it is that they absolutely hate those that do.

No delusions here. I'm simply not prepared to indulge your hobby if the price is mass shootings of innocents. Agree 99% of gun owners are fine - but the lack of moral clarity in many to allow themselves to be lumped in with an extreme fringe (including the NRA) rather than sensible self-regulation. We understand the courts are packed and the politicians are bought and paid for - but I'm not going to stop until assault weapons aren't available to any including these domestic terrorists and we have universal background checks, mental fitness assessments and licensing, and liability insurance. It may take 20 years but I'm prepared to fight for the future generations of our country.

👏 👏 Really don’t care if PP is a “responsible” gun owner. There has to be some level of psychosis or rage inside these people to have any kind of gun and it needs to be well regulated.

Freud had a term for people with your particular mental illness.

https://psychtimes.com/hoplophobia-fear-of-firearms/


Perhaps it’s time for you to seek the help of a qualified mental health professional who can provide you the treatment you need.

GFY

DP who isn’t afraid of guns but wants common sense control.

[Anonymous]

Agree.

But Senator Bill Cassidy says they’re good to have around to shoot feral pigs. Seems entirely reasonable, right? Because the ability to shoot feral pigs is more important that protecting human lives.

The gun cult is not pro life.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, you people are over-thinking this. I am a late life (and retired law enforcement) gun collector. It’s a hobby I enjoy with my two sons and we like going to the range to shoot together. We aren’t into hunting; it’s not an obsession; there’s no political or doomsday reasoning behind it. Its just something that we find fun.

+1. The delusions some of these DCUM posters have about gun owners is incredible. There are certainly some wackos out there, but 99+% of gun owners will never harm anyone with their firearm, will never point their firearm at another human being, and have absolutely no desire to do so. It's not just that these posters don't like guns; it is that they absolutely hate those that do.

No delusions here. I'm simply not prepared to indulge your hobby if the price is mass shootings of innocents. Agree 99% of gun owners are fine - but the lack of moral clarity in many to allow themselves to be lumped in with an extreme fringe (including the NRA) rather than sensible self-regulation. We understand the courts are packed and the politicians are bought and paid for - but I'm not going to stop until assault weapons aren't available to any including these domestic terrorists and we have universal background checks, mental fitness assessments and licensing, and liability insurance. It may take 20 years but I'm prepared to fight for the future generations of our country.

👏 👏 Really don’t care if PP is a “responsible” gun owner. There has to be some level of psychosis or rage inside these people to have any kind of gun and it needs to be well regulated.

Freud had a term for people with your particular mental illness.

https://psychtimes.com/hoplophobia-fear-of-firearms/


Perhaps it’s time for you to seek the help of a qualified mental health professional who can provide you the treatment you need.

GFY

DP who isn’t afraid of guns but wants common sense control.

And - again with the childish insults.

Maybe this is why no one listens to you?

DP btw.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree.

But Senator Bill Cassidy says they’re good to have around to shoot feral pigs. Seems entirely reasonable, right? Because the ability to shoot feral pigs is more important that protecting human lives.

The gun cult is not pro life.

This is the pp. I should say I’ve taken a firearms safety class and own a shotgun. Previously owned a handgun. The people I know who own AR-15s definitely fit into the category of having a few loose screws.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree or disagree? It's not a good gun for hunting - you'll disintegrate the trophy or meat. It's actually pretty terrible for home defense, as the the firearm is 4x more powerful than a 9mm handgun and will go through multiple walls and potentially hit your family.

So that really comes down to two reasons: (1) you intend to massacre a group of people as quickly and efficiently as possible or (2) because you LARP as an "operator" and somehow that gives you a sense of self-worth and confidence.

There's no reason to own this fire arm, unless you're a bit of a nutcase.

The. End.

The “standard” caliber of the AR15 (.233 or 5.56mm) is generally banned for hunting larger game (deer, etc) because the bullet is too small to kill game animals quickly and humanely. So much for your idiotic “DiSiNteRgraTe tHe MeAt!!!” nonsense….

The small, high speed 55grain bullet from the AR is terrible for penetrating walls because it has very little mass, and begins to shatter into fragments when it hits a hard surface. Slower moving and heavier pistol bullets like the 9mm you cite as “safer” actually penetrate residential walls far better than .223 rifle bullets…. Again, thanks for demonstrating you know nothing about the science here.


If the only reason for having an AR15 is to massacre large numbers of people quickly and efficiently - then why is there an AR15 in the trunk of literally every police car in this country? What large numbers of people are police planning on massacring quickly and efficiently?

You're sort of right and sort of wrong about the ballistics. Yes, the reason they ban .223 bullets for hunting deer is because they tend to wound larger animals rather than kill them instantly, but trying to kill a single deer and trying to kill 19 schoolchildren are different scenarios. No one is trying to shoot 19 deer in a field as quickly as possible; if they were they'd never pick a .30-06 because the recoil would make it really difficult to fire 19 times with enough accuracy to do that. There's a reason the military went with the 5.56 rather than 7.62, and part of it is that in an environment where you're shooting a lot of rounds at a lot of targets, it's a better choice; unfortunately that utility is there even in a classroom.

Also, all of the "actually, it's NOT a great weapon for a mass shooting" people have to explain why so many mass shooters pick it. None of you have done that.

And the thing about the AR 15 that the Ammosexuals love is that it can be configured to different calibers. And yet they trot out the ".223 is the standard" argument all the time to cloud the issue.

If it's so harmless then why do school shooters choose it then?

Btw I distinguish between responsible gun owners and Ammosexuals. I grew up around responsible gun owners. They didn't need to open carry a rifle into Wendy's. They didn't stick handguns into the waist of their jeans or yoga pants.

Prohibition failed with alcohol and the same thing is true for an assault weapons ban.

It will not work.

I would consider myself one of those who believes the 2nd amendment needs to be overhauled/amended (or something) because it’s outdated. But I agree an outright ban won’t work (a la prohibition of alcohol). That’s why we need to better control who gets to own one of these guns, and if it takes a neuropsych work up, a safety class and several references, then so be it. I don’t think this infringes on the 2nd amendment at all.

you really don't think a neuropsych workup infringes on someone's rights at all?

The thing I don't get is...

Pro-massacre nut jobs keep saying the issue is mental health and we need to address that.

Which would basically mean neuropsychological workups and mandatory mental health treatment for everybody, because how else will you legislate "mental health"? Just saying people should get mental health treatment doesn't do sh!t.

In which case we're infringing on rights anyway. So may as well require evaluations for purchasing firearms anyway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, you people are over-thinking this. I am a late life (and retired law enforcement) gun collector. It’s a hobby I enjoy with my two sons and we like going to the range to shoot together. We aren’t into hunting; it’s not an obsession; there’s no political or doomsday reasoning behind it. Its just something that we find fun.

+1. The delusions some of these DCUM posters have about gun owners is incredible. There are certainly some wackos out there, but 99+% of gun owners will never harm anyone with their firearm, will never point their firearm at another human being, and have absolutely no desire to do so. It's not just that these posters don't like guns; it is that they absolutely hate those that do.

No delusions here. I'm simply not prepared to indulge your hobby if the price is mass shootings of innocents. Agree 99% of gun owners are fine - but the lack of moral clarity in many to allow themselves to be lumped in with an extreme fringe (including the NRA) rather than sensible self-regulation. We understand the courts are packed and the politicians are bought and paid for - but I'm not going to stop until assault weapons aren't available to any including these domestic terrorists and we have universal background checks, mental fitness assessments and licensing, and liability insurance. It may take 20 years but I'm prepared to fight for the future generations of our country.

👏 👏 Really don’t care if PP is a “responsible” gun owner. There has to be some level of psychosis or rage inside these people to have any kind of gun and it needs to be well regulated.

Freud had a term for people with your particular mental illness.

https://psychtimes.com/hoplophobia-fear-of-firearms/


Perhaps it’s time for you to seek the help of a qualified mental health professional who can provide you the treatment you need.

GFY

DP who isn’t afraid of guns but wants common sense control.

And - again with the childish insults.

Maybe this is why no one listens to you?

DP btw.

It was the appropriate response to that comment.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree or disagree? It's not a good gun for hunting - you'll disintegrate the trophy or meat. It's actually pretty terrible for home defense, as the the firearm is 4x more powerful than a 9mm handgun and will go through multiple walls and potentially hit your family.

So that really comes down to two reasons: (1) you intend to massacre a group of people as quickly and efficiently as possible or (2) because you LARP as an "operator" and somehow that gives you a sense of self-worth and confidence.

There's no reason to own this fire arm, unless you're a bit of a nutcase.

The. End.

The “standard” caliber of the AR15 (.233 or 5.56mm) is generally banned for hunting larger game (deer, etc) because the bullet is too small to kill game animals quickly and humanely. So much for your idiotic “DiSiNteRgraTe tHe MeAt!!!” nonsense….

The small, high speed 55grain bullet from the AR is terrible for penetrating walls because it has very little mass, and begins to shatter into fragments when it hits a hard surface. Slower moving and heavier pistol bullets like the 9mm you cite as “safer” actually penetrate residential walls far better than .223 rifle bullets…. Again, thanks for demonstrating you know nothing about the science here.


If the only reason for having an AR15 is to massacre large numbers of people quickly and efficiently - then why is there an AR15 in the trunk of literally every police car in this country? What large numbers of people are police planning on massacring quickly and efficiently?

You're sort of right and sort of wrong about the ballistics. Yes, the reason they ban .223 bullets for hunting deer is because they tend to wound larger animals rather than kill them instantly, but trying to kill a single deer and trying to kill 19 schoolchildren are different scenarios. No one is trying to shoot 19 deer in a field as quickly as possible; if they were they'd never pick a .30-06 because the recoil would make it really difficult to fire 19 times with enough accuracy to do that. There's a reason the military went with the 5.56 rather than 7.62, and part of it is that in an environment where you're shooting a lot of rounds at a lot of targets, it's a better choice; unfortunately that utility is there even in a classroom.

Also, all of the "actually, it's NOT a great weapon for a mass shooting" people have to explain why so many mass shooters pick it. None of you have done that.

And the thing about the AR 15 that the Ammosexuals love is that it can be configured to different calibers. And yet they trot out the ".223 is the standard" argument all the time to cloud the issue.

If it's so harmless then why do school shooters choose it then?

Btw I distinguish between responsible gun owners and Ammosexuals. I grew up around responsible gun owners. They didn't need to open carry a rifle into Wendy's. They didn't stick handguns into the waist of their jeans or yoga pants.

Prohibition failed with alcohol and the same thing is true for an assault weapons ban.

It will not work.

I would consider myself one of those who believes the 2nd amendment needs to be overhauled/amended (or something) because it’s outdated. But I agree an outright ban won’t work (a la prohibition of alcohol). That’s why we need to better control who gets to own one of these guns, and if it takes a neuropsych work up, a safety class and several references, then so be it. I don’t think this infringes on the 2nd amendment at all.

you really don't think a neuropsych workup infringes on someone's rights at all?

The thing I don't get is...

Pro-massacre nut jobs keep saying the issue is mental health and we need to address that.

Which would basically mean neuropsychological workups and mandatory mental health treatment for everybody, because how else will you legislate "mental health"? Just saying people should get mental health treatment doesn't do sh!t.

In which case we're infringing on rights anyway. So may as well require evaluations for purchasing firearms anyway.

It’s just a canard.

[Anonymous]

I don't think ARs are enough to stop a government take over. Why aren't the pro-AR people lobbying for the right to missiles, grenades, bombs, etc.? I think that's the only way you'd stand half a chance to the US military, and even then it's a long shot.

[Anonymous]

The pro-massacre gun nuts emphasize "mental health" because they know nothing will come of it.

The only thing that will solve it is a ring of liberals of all different colors, all armed with AR-15s, surrounding the NRA on a daily basis. Their offices, their conference, their homes. Give them a taste of their own freedoms, just like kids have to endure.

[Anonymous]

Here's how the "psych eval" would go:


"you're applying for a permit to own a gun, Mrs. Smith?"

"yes, I am"

"and why do you want a gun, Mrs. Smith?"

"there was a home invasion across the street from me, and it took the police forever to show up. And by the time they did, my neighbors were murdered. I'd like to own a gun to protect my family with in case the same thing happened to us. At least we wouldn't be defenseless"

"that seems very paranoid and angry of you, Mrs. Smith, don't you agree? I'm afraid we're going to have to disapprove your application because of your pervasive mental illness".






That's pretty much how it would go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's how the "psych eval" would go:


"you're applying for a permit to own a gun, Mrs. Smith?"

"yes, I am"

"and why do you want a gun, Mrs. Smith?"

"there was a home invasion across the street from me, and it took the police forever to show up. And by the time they did, my neighbors were murdered. I'd like to own a gun to protect my family with in case the same thing happened to us. At least we wouldn't be defenseless"

"that seems very paranoid and angry of you, Mrs. Smith, don't you agree? I'm afraid we're going to have to disapprove your application because of your pervasive mental illness".






That's pretty much how it would go.

The UK requires psych evaluations and their murder rate is extremely low.