Waitlisted at TJ - now what?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious to know why folks are so mad at the new process:

- Min GPA requirement
- Math or Science Problem Essay
- Essay about skills/goals
- Pick the top 1-2 % from each school


Doesnt seem so different from a college application?

Harvard would look at experience factors also.

There is the small matter of teacher recommendations that colleges look at.

And Harvard is no gold standard - the Supreme Court will have a say soon.

And Harvard arrived at the “experience factors” because too many Jewish kids were making it on objective criteria. Yes there is your parallel with Harvard.

Here is a link to a non-partisan publication that shows the parallel between the TJ reform and how Harvard approached the issue of over representation of Jewish people ( you get repeated mention of over representation of Asians at TJ on this forum)

https://www.businessinsider.com/the-ivy-leagues-history-of-discriminating-against-jews-2014-12

TJ is not mentioned in this article.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious to know why folks are so mad at the new process:

- Min GPA requirement
- Math or Science Problem Essay
- Essay about skills/goals
- Pick the top 1-2 % from each school


Doesnt seem so different from a college application?

Harvard would look at experience factors also.

There is the small matter of teacher recommendations that colleges look at.

And Harvard is no gold standard - the Supreme Court will have a say soon.

And Harvard arrived at the “experience factors” because too many Jewish kids were making it on objective criteria. Yes there is your parallel with Harvard.

This was true a century ago but has not been for at least the past fifty years.

It's funny that you say that Harvard is no gold standard but that's still the school that every parent in your community wants the bumper sticker of. Sour grapes, I suppose.

Ironically one of the things that makes it great is its diverse student body.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious to know why folks are so mad at the new process:

- Min GPA requirement
- Math or Science Problem Essay
- Essay about skills/goals
- Pick the top 1-2 % from each school


Doesnt seem so different from a college application?

Harvard would look at experience factors also.

There is the small matter of teacher recommendations that colleges look at.

And Harvard is no gold standard - the Supreme Court will have a say soon.

And Harvard arrived at the “experience factors” because too many Jewish kids were making it on objective criteria. Yes there is your parallel with Harvard.

This was true a century ago but has not been for at least the past fifty years.

It's funny that you say that Harvard is no gold standard but that's still the school that every parent in your community wants the bumper sticker of. Sour grapes, I suppose.

Ironically one of the things that makes it great is its diverse student body.

BINGO. And it is rapidly becoming one of the great things about TJ.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Relax. Not the end of the world. Many TJ kids attending dame school as my non TJ senior. Except mine didn’t get the amount of stress Tj kids went through. Be a strong student at a base school. Tj is way over rated.

Depends on the base school. Let's not act like going to a mediocre base school provides the same peer group as TJ. And the bottom 10% of TJ students attend the same colleges as the top 10% of the base high school students.

This year top 10% of TJ are attending mediocre schools, my DC is one of them and so are many of her peers.

My DC is one of them too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Relax. Not the end of the world. Many TJ kids attending dame school as my non TJ senior. Except mine didn’t get the amount of stress Tj kids went through. Be a strong student at a base school. Tj is way over rated.

Depends on the base school. Let's not act like going to a mediocre base school provides the same peer group as TJ. And the bottom 10% of TJ students attend the same colleges as the top 10% of the base high school students.

This year top 10% of TJ are attending mediocre schools, my DC is one of them and so are many of her peers.

My DC is one of them too.

Precisely how are you defining the top 10% of TJ and precisely how are you defining mediocre schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious to know why folks are so mad at the new process:

- Min GPA requirement
- Math or Science Problem Essay
- Essay about skills/goals
- Pick the top 1-2 % from each school


Doesnt seem so different from a college application?

Harvard would look at experience factors also.

There is the small matter of teacher recommendations that colleges look at.

And Harvard is no gold standard - the Supreme Court will have a say soon.

And Harvard arrived at the “experience factors” because too many Jewish kids were making it on objective criteria. Yes there is your parallel with Harvard.

This was true a century ago but has not been for at least the past fifty years.

It's funny that you say that Harvard is no gold standard but that's still the school that every parent in your community wants the bumper sticker of. Sour grapes, I suppose.

Ironically one of the things that makes it great is its diverse student body.

BINGO. And it is rapidly becoming one of the great things about TJ.

“BINGO” - Great in the spirit of Make America Great Again. Congratulations

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Relax. Not the end of the world. Many TJ kids attending dame school as my non TJ senior. Except mine didn’t get the amount of stress Tj kids went through. Be a strong student at a base school. Tj is way over rated.

Depends on the base school. Let's not act like going to a mediocre base school provides the same peer group as TJ. And the bottom 10% of TJ students attend the same colleges as the top 10% of the base high school students.

This year top 10% of TJ are attending mediocre schools, my DC is one of them and so are many of her peers.

My DC is one of them too.

Precisely how are you defining the top 10% of TJ and precisely how are you defining mediocre schools?

DC has >4.6GPA, international/national/state awards in FPS, debate, hackathon, etc to name a few with 2 officer positions in school clubs and volunteering. And is going to a T50 school. I am pretty sure with this stats, kids went to a T10 or atleast T20 before.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious to know why folks are so mad at the new process:

- Min GPA requirement
- Math or Science Problem Essay
- Essay about skills/goals
- Pick the top 1-2 % from each school


Doesnt seem so different from a college application?

Harvard would look at experience factors also.

There is the small matter of teacher recommendations that colleges look at.

And Harvard is no gold standard - the Supreme Court will have a say soon.

And Harvard arrived at the “experience factors” because too many Jewish kids were making it on objective criteria. Yes there is your parallel with Harvard.

This was true a century ago but has not been for at least the past fifty years.

It's funny that you say that Harvard is no gold standard but that's still the school that every parent in your community wants the bumper sticker of. Sour grapes, I suppose.

Ironically one of the things that makes it great is its diverse student body.

BINGO. And it is rapidly becoming one of the great things about TJ.

“BINGO” - Great in the spirit of Make America Great Again. Congratulations

Make America Great Again exists in contradistinction to the forces seeking to desegregate TJ. MAGA wants to re-segregate TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Relax. Not the end of the world. Many TJ kids attending dame school as my non TJ senior. Except mine didn’t get the amount of stress Tj kids went through. Be a strong student at a base school. Tj is way over rated.

Depends on the base school. Let's not act like going to a mediocre base school provides the same peer group as TJ. And the bottom 10% of TJ students attend the same colleges as the top 10% of the base high school students.

This year top 10% of TJ are attending mediocre schools, my DC is one of them and so are many of her peers.

My DC is one of them too.

Precisely how are you defining the top 10% of TJ and precisely how are you defining mediocre schools?

DC has >4.6GPA, international/national/state awards in FPS, debate, hackathon, etc to name a few with 2 officer positions in school clubs and volunteering. And is going to a T50 school. I am pretty sure with this stats, kids went to a T10 or atleast T20 before.

Got rejected from higher-ranked schools? Genuinely wanted to attend at least one of those for reasons beyond their prestige? Were there essays and/or interviews involved?

Many elite schools turn down students who they don't believe will accept their offer because they place such a high value on their yield metrics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Relax. Not the end of the world. Many TJ kids attending dame school as my non TJ senior. Except mine didn’t get the amount of stress Tj kids went through. Be a strong student at a base school. Tj is way over rated.

Depends on the base school. Let's not act like going to a mediocre base school provides the same peer group as TJ. And the bottom 10% of TJ students attend the same colleges as the top 10% of the base high school students.

This year top 10% of TJ are attending mediocre schools, my DC is one of them and so are many of her peers.

My DC is one of them too.

Haters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Relax. Not the end of the world. Many TJ kids attending dame school as my non TJ senior. Except mine didn’t get the amount of stress Tj kids went through. Be a strong student at a base school. Tj is way over rated.

Depends on the base school. Let's not act like going to a mediocre base school provides the same peer group as TJ. And the bottom 10% of TJ students attend the same colleges as the top 10% of the base high school students.

This year top 10% of TJ are attending mediocre schools, my DC is one of them and so are many of her peers.

My DC is one of them too.

Precisely how are you defining the top 10% of TJ and precisely how are you defining mediocre schools?

DC has >4.6GPA, international/national/state awards in FPS, debate, hackathon, etc to name a few with 2 officer positions in school clubs and volunteering. And is going to a T50 school. I am pretty sure with this stats, kids went to a T10 or atleast T20 before.

Got rejected from higher-ranked schools? Genuinely wanted to attend at least one of those for reasons beyond their prestige? Were there essays and/or interviews involved?

Many elite schools turn down students who they don't believe will accept their offer because they place such a high value on their yield metrics.

Yes, got rejected from higher-ranked schools. DC genuinely had a dream school, not for prestige but for the education and that school's culture. DC was in debate, so essays weren't mediocre. All the interviews went great!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Relax. Not the end of the world. Many TJ kids attending dame school as my non TJ senior. Except mine didn’t get the amount of stress Tj kids went through. Be a strong student at a base school. Tj is way over rated.

Depends on the base school. Let's not act like going to a mediocre base school provides the same peer group as TJ. And the bottom 10% of TJ students attend the same colleges as the top 10% of the base high school students.

This year top 10% of TJ are attending mediocre schools, my DC is one of them and so are many of her peers.

My DC is one of them too.

Haters.

?? what are you trying to say?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Relax. Not the end of the world. Many TJ kids attending dame school as my non TJ senior. Except mine didn’t get the amount of stress Tj kids went through. Be a strong student at a base school. Tj is way over rated.

Depends on the base school. Let's not act like going to a mediocre base school provides the same peer group as TJ. And the bottom 10% of TJ students attend the same colleges as the top 10% of the base high school students.

This year top 10% of TJ are attending mediocre schools, my DC is one of them and so are many of her peers.

My DC is one of them too.

Precisely how are you defining the top 10% of TJ and precisely how are you defining mediocre schools?

DC has >4.6GPA, international/national/state awards in FPS, debate, hackathon, etc to name a few with 2 officer positions in school clubs and volunteering. And is going to a T50 school. I am pretty sure with this stats, kids went to a T10 or atleast T20 before.

Got rejected from higher-ranked schools? Genuinely wanted to attend at least one of those for reasons beyond their prestige? Were there essays and/or interviews involved?

Many elite schools turn down students who they don't believe will accept their offer because they place such a high value on their yield metrics.

Yes, got rejected from higher-ranked schools. DC genuinely had a dream school, not for prestige but for the education and that school's culture. DC was in debate, so essays weren't mediocre. All the interviews went great!

Did your child get scholarship offers from top 50 schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Relax. Not the end of the world. Many TJ kids attending dame school as my non TJ senior. Except mine didn’t get the amount of stress Tj kids went through. Be a strong student at a base school. Tj is way over rated.

Depends on the base school. Let's not act like going to a mediocre base school provides the same peer group as TJ. And the bottom 10% of TJ students attend the same colleges as the top 10% of the base high school students.

This year top 10% of TJ are attending mediocre schools, my DC is one of them and so are many of her peers.

My DC is one of them too.

Precisely how are you defining the top 10% of TJ and precisely how are you defining mediocre schools?

DC has >4.6GPA, international/national/state awards in FPS, debate, hackathon, etc to name a few with 2 officer positions in school clubs and volunteering. And is going to a T50 school. I am pretty sure with this stats, kids went to a T10 or atleast T20 before.

DP. Used to be employed at a top-25 school where my office regularly interfaced with admissions. Two mistakes that high-end students make all of the time in the admissions process:

1) Especially with the prevalence of the Common App, they don't do enough to convince the school that they'll accept the offer if given. This is important because parents are obsessed with rankings, and therefore more and more admissions offices are obsessed with rankings (see the recent scandal at Columbia). Admissions offices want two numbers to be optimized - their admit rate (which needs to be low, and supported by a higher number of applications) and their yield rate (which needs to be high, meaning that a high percentage of students offered end up matriculating). This is the biggest reason why students who appear exceptional like yours do not get admitted to schools that they seemingly should coast into based purely on stats - it doesn't help admissions offices in any way to extend an offer to a student who they think will turn it down.

2) They don't do enough to explain to the school how they will contribute to the overall academic environment once they're there. Universities don't get very much (beyond a tuition check) out of a student who is simply going to show up on campus, excel in their schoolwork, and then take their degree off to the private sector never to be heard from again. There are no end of students who, believe it or not, have very similar profiles to your student. Hell, there are a ton of them just coming from TJ - your assessment that they're in the top 10% is probably generous because you're placing too much weight on the GPA. Admissions officers love activities that show a student's desire to be a part of and contribute to something bigger than themselves; this is why activities like FPS, debate, hackathon, individual sports like golf or tennis or wrestling, and other such activities aren't looked upon as strongly as tutoring, team sports, performing arts, and service organizations.

In the end, most elite schools would rather graduate a student who was deeply engaged in campus activities than a 4.0 kid who did nothing but study - because the deeply engaged kid is more likely to donate and contribute in other ways to the school down the road. College is a business, and they behave as such.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious to know why folks are so mad at the new process:

- Min GPA requirement
- Math or Science Problem Essay
- Essay about skills/goals
- Pick the top 1-2 % from each school


Doesnt seem so different from a college application?

Harvard would look at experience factors also.

There is the small matter of teacher recommendations that colleges look at.

And Harvard is no gold standard - the Supreme Court will have a say soon.

And Harvard arrived at the “experience factors” because too many Jewish kids were making it on objective criteria. Yes there is your parallel with Harvard.

This was true a century ago but has not been for at least the past fifty years.

It's funny that you say that Harvard is no gold standard but that's still the school that every parent in your community wants the bumper sticker of. Sour grapes, I suppose.

Ironically one of the things that makes it great is its diverse student body.

BINGO. And it is rapidly becoming one of the great things about TJ.

“BINGO” - Great in the spirit of Make America Great Again. Congratulations

Make America Great Again exists in contradistinction to the forces seeking to desegregate TJ. MAGA wants to re-segregate TJ.

Foot in the mouth much! Did not know desegregation was a goal of reform. Such racism.