Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.

How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money

Because they do need "their own" anything. They can choose to live as part of Israeli society like other Arabs in Israel do. Ok they may want "their own" this and that but Israel and the rest of us are not required to care. You can talk talk talk all the day long.

I am intrigued with your thinking that all Palestinians need to do to become Israeli citizens is choose to be them. Please elaborate.

It amazes me they think that makes Isrsel safer. It’s essentially calling for a one state solution as well.

Palestinians who lost their babies and mothers and fathers and spouses aren’t able to happily move on from that and move to Israel with a smile. Some would rather choose death than live among and work for Israelis. That is what keeps Israel safer? I would think such a move would make Israel less safe

Would Israelis want to live in a Palestinian state ran by Hamas? Of course not

You misunderstood sarcasm. Palestinians were never given an option to “integrate peacefully into the Israeli society”. So it’s stupid to reproach them for not doing it.

You might want to do some reading on why Jordan and Egypt hasn't given Palestinians living there the option to integrate into Jordanian or Egyptian society. Or maybe read up on how Palestinians pushed Lebanon into civil war. They keep proving over and over again that they are incapable of peacefully integrating into anyone's society.

Palestinians were never offered a path to Israeli citizenship. Whoever talks about peaceful integration into Israeli society is lying.

Oh yes, the people who want to destroy Israel and kill Jews - why haven't they been fully integrated into Israel? It's such a mystery!

Why do you think Egypt hasn't offered them Egyptian citizenship? Can you answer that question without somehow blaming Israel?

Egypt hasn’t offered them Egyptian citizenship because it’s their position, like the 100+ countries who have attempted to secure a U.N. ceasefire resolution over the past few months (and dozens of other U.S. blocked resolutions over the past several decades), that their rightful place is their ancestral homeland that Israel continues to encroach upon.

Egypt believes, like many, many other countries, that to offer them citizenship is to absolve Israel of what should be its responsibility to resolve the ongoing, decades long conflict through concessions.

It sounds like you and several others here believe in the stereotype that Palestinians are all inherently and unavoidably disposed to behave a certain way. It’s sadly ironic that one group that has created an entire culture around battling others for stereotyping them is so content to stereotype other groups.

Oh please. They don't want the kinds of people who do 10.7 type things to flood their country any more than anyone else does. They can couch it in terms of not sanctioning Israel's existence - except they have relations with Israel. And they know well that they are better off with Israel being Israel than anyone else taking over that land.

I don't believe Palestinians are inherently violent - but I do believe that the Palestinians who commit these violent acts ruin any chance for everyone else. They hide among civilians - how is anyone supposed to tell them apart from the "peaceful" Palestinians who don't support that "intifada intifada" "by any means necessary" " no two state solution" sort of rhetoric and behavior.

Can you point me to Palestinian orgs that are calling for peace right now? Because I see a lot of Jews and Israelis who want peace - and I'm just not seeing that reciprocated a lot of places. I see calls for ceasefires - but the people calling for a ceasefire are the same ones chanting "intifada intifada," so we know what that's about.

They don’t hide among civilians though. Hamas specifically built the tunnels away from civilians so that their stockpiles don’t get destroyed by Israel.

They very much do hide among civilians. The tunnels are for transporting weapons, contraband, supplies, kidnapped hostages, moving people that the IDF is looking for. But otherwise they do hide among civilians, they fire rockets and shoot at IDF from inside residential areas, from inside refugee camps, hospitals and schools, they wear civilian clothing, and so on. There are mountains of evidence showing this.

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Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.

How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money

Because they do need "their own" anything. They can choose to live as part of Israeli society like other Arabs in Israel do. Ok they may want "their own" this and that but Israel and the rest of us are not required to care. You can talk talk talk all the day long.

I am intrigued with your thinking that all Palestinians need to do to become Israeli citizens is choose to be them. Please elaborate.

It amazes me they think that makes Isrsel safer. It’s essentially calling for a one state solution as well.

Palestinians who lost their babies and mothers and fathers and spouses aren’t able to happily move on from that and move to Israel with a smile. Some would rather choose death than live among and work for Israelis. That is what keeps Israel safer? I would think such a move would make Israel less safe

Would Israelis want to live in a Palestinian state ran by Hamas? Of course not

You misunderstood sarcasm. Palestinians were never given an option to “integrate peacefully into the Israeli society”. So it’s stupid to reproach them for not doing it.

You might want to do some reading on why Jordan and Egypt hasn't given Palestinians living there the option to integrate into Jordanian or Egyptian society. Or maybe read up on how Palestinians pushed Lebanon into civil war. They keep proving over and over again that they are incapable of peacefully integrating into anyone's society.

Palestinians were never offered a path to Israeli citizenship. Whoever talks about peaceful integration into Israeli society is lying.

Oh yes, the people who want to destroy Israel and kill Jews - why haven't they been fully integrated into Israel? It's such a mystery!

Why do you think Egypt hasn't offered them Egyptian citizenship? Can you answer that question without somehow blaming Israel?

Egypt hasn’t offered them Egyptian citizenship because it’s their position, like the 100+ countries who have attempted to secure a U.N. ceasefire resolution over the past few months (and dozens of other U.S. blocked resolutions over the past several decades), that their rightful place is their ancestral homeland that Israel continues to encroach upon.

Egypt believes, like many, many other countries, that to offer them citizenship is to absolve Israel of what should be its responsibility to resolve the ongoing, decades long conflict through concessions.

It sounds like you and several others here believe in the stereotype that Palestinians are all inherently and unavoidably disposed to behave a certain way. It’s sadly ironic that one group that has created an entire culture around battling others for stereotyping them is so content to stereotype other groups.

Oh please. They don't want the kinds of people who do 10.7 type things to flood their country any more than anyone else does. They can couch it in terms of not sanctioning Israel's existence - except they have relations with Israel. And they know well that they are better off with Israel being Israel than anyone else taking over that land.

I don't believe Palestinians are inherently violent - but I do believe that the Palestinians who commit these violent acts ruin any chance for everyone else. They hide among civilians - how is anyone supposed to tell them apart from the "peaceful" Palestinians who don't support that "intifada intifada" "by any means necessary" " no two state solution" sort of rhetoric and behavior.

Can you point me to Palestinian orgs that are calling for peace right now? Because I see a lot of Jews and Israelis who want peace - and I'm just not seeing that reciprocated a lot of places. I see calls for ceasefires - but the people calling for a ceasefire are the same ones chanting "intifada intifada," so we know what that's about.

They don’t hide among civilians though. Hamas specifically built the tunnels away from civilians so that their stockpiles don’t get destroyed by Israel.

They very much do hide among civilians. The tunnels are for transporting weapons, contraband, supplies, kidnapped hostages, moving people that the IDF is looking for. But otherwise they do hide among civilians, they fire rockets and shoot at IDF from inside residential areas, from inside refugee camps, hospitals and schools, they wear civilian clothing, and so on. There are mountains of evidence showing this.

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It's absolutely astounding that anyone would claim otherwise. Hamas uses their people as human shields, so that when IDF retaliates, Hamas can point to gruesome images of Palestinians being wounded or killed and gain sympathy - from idiots. Because idiots are the only people who actually believe them.

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Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.

How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money

Because they do need "their own" anything. They can choose to live as part of Israeli society like other Arabs in Israel do. Ok they may want "their own" this and that but Israel and the rest of us are not required to care. You can talk talk talk all the day long.

I am intrigued with your thinking that all Palestinians need to do to become Israeli citizens is choose to be them. Please elaborate.

It amazes me they think that makes Isrsel safer. It’s essentially calling for a one state solution as well.

Palestinians who lost their babies and mothers and fathers and spouses aren’t able to happily move on from that and move to Israel with a smile. Some would rather choose death than live among and work for Israelis. That is what keeps Israel safer? I would think such a move would make Israel less safe

Would Israelis want to live in a Palestinian state ran by Hamas? Of course not

You misunderstood sarcasm. Palestinians were never given an option to “integrate peacefully into the Israeli society”. So it’s stupid to reproach them for not doing it.

You might want to do some reading on why Jordan and Egypt hasn't given Palestinians living there the option to integrate into Jordanian or Egyptian society. Or maybe read up on how Palestinians pushed Lebanon into civil war. They keep proving over and over again that they are incapable of peacefully integrating into anyone's society.

Palestinians were never offered a path to Israeli citizenship. Whoever talks about peaceful integration into Israeli society is lying.

Oh yes, the people who want to destroy Israel and kill Jews - why haven't they been fully integrated into Israel? It's such a mystery!

Why do you think Egypt hasn't offered them Egyptian citizenship? Can you answer that question without somehow blaming Israel?

I don't care about any of this. I just care about pointing out that the notion of "why don't Palestinians peacefully integrate into the Israeli society" is bullcrap.

As has been pointed out, it's a function of Palestinians repeatedly shoving a stick into the spokes of their own bicycle and then wondering why they crashed and are lying bleeding on the sidewalk. This has played out for decades. They are their own worst enemies.

Nope. You're lying. A path to Israeli citizenship has never been on the table for the Palestinians regardless of how they behaved. And by design too: no one wants more Arab voters in Israel. So, stop lying that Palestinians could have "integrated peacefully into the Israeli society" if they behaved better. This option has never ever been on the table. This was the original driver of Nakba: to ensure Jewish majority by any means.

I don’t understand why America gives Israel a single penny. We aspire to be a pluralistic, secular democracy and Israel is a terrorist state organized around the principle that people who claim to belong to a particular religion should control a country and a region and oppress those who aren’t the same religion.

Screw Israel and those in charge of it. I don’t want a single dime of my taxes going to a bunch of thugs in another country who think they alone are God’s chosen people. It is beyond obscene that Israel gets billions in aid while Americans can barely make ends meet and have to pay far more than Israelis for education and health care.

So then you feel the same way about billions of U.S. dollars going to Central America, or being used here in the U.S. on illegal immigrants' education and health care - right? Beyond obscene.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.

How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money

Because they do need "their own" anything. They can choose to live as part of Israeli society like other Arabs in Israel do. Ok they may want "their own" this and that but Israel and the rest of us are not required to care. You can talk talk talk all the day long.

I am intrigued with your thinking that all Palestinians need to do to become Israeli citizens is choose to be them. Please elaborate.

It amazes me they think that makes Isrsel safer. It’s essentially calling for a one state solution as well.

Palestinians who lost their babies and mothers and fathers and spouses aren’t able to happily move on from that and move to Israel with a smile. Some would rather choose death than live among and work for Israelis. That is what keeps Israel safer? I would think such a move would make Israel less safe

Would Israelis want to live in a Palestinian state ran by Hamas? Of course not

You misunderstood sarcasm. Palestinians were never given an option to “integrate peacefully into the Israeli society”. So it’s stupid to reproach them for not doing it.

You might want to do some reading on why Jordan and Egypt hasn't given Palestinians living there the option to integrate into Jordanian or Egyptian society. Or maybe read up on how Palestinians pushed Lebanon into civil war. They keep proving over and over again that they are incapable of peacefully integrating into anyone's society.

Palestinians were never offered a path to Israeli citizenship. Whoever talks about peaceful integration into Israeli society is lying.

Oh yes, the people who want to destroy Israel and kill Jews - why haven't they been fully integrated into Israel? It's such a mystery!

Why do you think Egypt hasn't offered them Egyptian citizenship? Can you answer that question without somehow blaming Israel?

I don't care about any of this. I just care about pointing out that the notion of "why don't Palestinians peacefully integrate into the Israeli society" is bullcrap.

As has been pointed out, it's a function of Palestinians repeatedly shoving a stick into the spokes of their own bicycle and then wondering why they crashed and are lying bleeding on the sidewalk. This has played out for decades. They are their own worst enemies.

Nope. You're lying. A path to Israeli citizenship has never been on the table for the Palestinians regardless of how they behaved. And by design too: no one wants more Arab voters in Israel. So, stop lying that Palestinians could have "integrated peacefully into the Israeli society" if they behaved better. This option has never ever been on the table. This was the original driver of Nakba: to ensure Jewish majority by any means.

I don’t understand why America gives Israel a single penny. We aspire to be a pluralistic, secular democracy and Israel is a terrorist state organized around the principle that people who claim to belong to a particular religion should control a country and a region and oppress those who aren’t the same religion.

Screw Israel and those in charge of it. I don’t want a single dime of my taxes going to a bunch of thugs in another country who think they alone are God’s chosen people. It is beyond obscene that Israel gets billions in aid while Americans can barely make ends meet and have to pay far more than Israelis for education and health care.

So then you feel the same way about billions of U.S. dollars going to Central America, or being used here in the U.S. on illegal immigrants' education and health care - right? Beyond obscene.
DP

Of course this poster doesn't feel the same way. Because he/she is an antisemite and it's trendy to hate on Israel right now. There's nothing else to do now that no one cares about BLM etc anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.

How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money

Because they do need "their own" anything. They can choose to live as part of Israeli society like other Arabs in Israel do. Ok they may want "their own" this and that but Israel and the rest of us are not required to care. You can talk talk talk all the day long.

I am intrigued with your thinking that all Palestinians need to do to become Israeli citizens is choose to be them. Please elaborate.

It amazes me they think that makes Isrsel safer. It’s essentially calling for a one state solution as well.

Palestinians who lost their babies and mothers and fathers and spouses aren’t able to happily move on from that and move to Israel with a smile. Some would rather choose death than live among and work for Israelis. That is what keeps Israel safer? I would think such a move would make Israel less safe

Would Israelis want to live in a Palestinian state ran by Hamas? Of course not

You misunderstood sarcasm. Palestinians were never given an option to “integrate peacefully into the Israeli society”. So it’s stupid to reproach them for not doing it.

You might want to do some reading on why Jordan and Egypt hasn't given Palestinians living there the option to integrate into Jordanian or Egyptian society. Or maybe read up on how Palestinians pushed Lebanon into civil war. They keep proving over and over again that they are incapable of peacefully integrating into anyone's society.

Palestinians were never offered a path to Israeli citizenship. Whoever talks about peaceful integration into Israeli society is lying.

Oh yes, the people who want to destroy Israel and kill Jews - why haven't they been fully integrated into Israel? It's such a mystery!

Why do you think Egypt hasn't offered them Egyptian citizenship? Can you answer that question without somehow blaming Israel?

I don't care about any of this. I just care about pointing out that the notion of "why don't Palestinians peacefully integrate into the Israeli society" is bullcrap.

As has been pointed out, it's a function of Palestinians repeatedly shoving a stick into the spokes of their own bicycle and then wondering why they crashed and are lying bleeding on the sidewalk. This has played out for decades. They are their own worst enemies.

Nope. You're lying. A path to Israeli citizenship has never been on the table for the Palestinians regardless of how they behaved. And by design too: no one wants more Arab voters in Israel. So, stop lying that Palestinians could have "integrated peacefully into the Israeli society" if they behaved better. This option has never ever been on the table. This was the original driver of Nakba: to ensure Jewish majority by any means.

I don’t understand why America gives Israel a single penny. We aspire to be a pluralistic, secular democracy and Israel is a terrorist state organized around the principle that people who claim to belong to a particular religion should control a country and a region and oppress those who aren’t the same religion.

Screw Israel and those in charge of it. I don’t want a single dime of my taxes going to a bunch of thugs in another country who think they alone are God’s chosen people. It is beyond obscene that Israel gets billions in aid while Americans can barely make ends meet and have to pay far more than Israelis for education and health care.

This is a bogus whataboutism argument, considering that even if we didn't give Israel a single penny you'd still refuse to instead spend it domestically to help those people Americans who can barely make ends meet. Performative outrage. You guys do this all the time.

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Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.

How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money

Because they do need "their own" anything. They can choose to live as part of Israeli society like other Arabs in Israel do. Ok they may want "their own" this and that but Israel and the rest of us are not required to care. You can talk talk talk all the day long.

I am intrigued with your thinking that all Palestinians need to do to become Israeli citizens is choose to be them. Please elaborate.

It amazes me they think that makes Isrsel safer. It’s essentially calling for a one state solution as well.

Palestinians who lost their babies and mothers and fathers and spouses aren’t able to happily move on from that and move to Israel with a smile. Some would rather choose death than live among and work for Israelis. That is what keeps Israel safer? I would think such a move would make Israel less safe

Would Israelis want to live in a Palestinian state ran by Hamas? Of course not

You misunderstood sarcasm. Palestinians were never given an option to “integrate peacefully into the Israeli society”. So it’s stupid to reproach them for not doing it.

You might want to do some reading on why Jordan and Egypt hasn't given Palestinians living there the option to integrate into Jordanian or Egyptian society. Or maybe read up on how Palestinians pushed Lebanon into civil war. They keep proving over and over again that they are incapable of peacefully integrating into anyone's society.

Palestinians were never offered a path to Israeli citizenship. Whoever talks about peaceful integration into Israeli society is lying.

Oh yes, the people who want to destroy Israel and kill Jews - why haven't they been fully integrated into Israel? It's such a mystery!

Why do you think Egypt hasn't offered them Egyptian citizenship? Can you answer that question without somehow blaming Israel?

I don't care about any of this. I just care about pointing out that the notion of "why don't Palestinians peacefully integrate into the Israeli society" is bullcrap.

As has been pointed out, it's a function of Palestinians repeatedly shoving a stick into the spokes of their own bicycle and then wondering why they crashed and are lying bleeding on the sidewalk. This has played out for decades. They are their own worst enemies.

Nope. You're lying. A path to Israeli citizenship has never been on the table for the Palestinians regardless of how they behaved. And by design too: no one wants more Arab voters in Israel. So, stop lying that Palestinians could have "integrated peacefully into the Israeli society" if they behaved better. This option has never ever been on the table. This was the original driver of Nakba: to ensure Jewish majority by any means.

There are in fact millions of Palestinian Arabs who are full Israeli citizens living peaceful lives among the rest of Israelis. That's an absolute fact that spits in the face of your claim that it's a total lie. Some of them have even been elected to the Knesset and served in Cabinet level offices for Israel. So yes, citizenship has been available to Palestinians. However, that said, it is conditional and the conditions got a lot stricter and narrower after the numerous attempts to attack Israel and the numerous genocidal proclamations about wiping Israelis off the face of the planet, clearing the path for Palestinians, from the river to the sea...

So it looks like the poster you are responding to agrees with you— Israeli citizenship is not readily available to Palestinians resident in the West Bank and Gaza. You may disagree about why but that’s the fact….

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Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.

How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money

Because they do need "their own" anything. They can choose to live as part of Israeli society like other Arabs in Israel do. Ok they may want "their own" this and that but Israel and the rest of us are not required to care. You can talk talk talk all the day long.

I am intrigued with your thinking that all Palestinians need to do to become Israeli citizens is choose to be them. Please elaborate.

It amazes me they think that makes Isrsel safer. It’s essentially calling for a one state solution as well.

Palestinians who lost their babies and mothers and fathers and spouses aren’t able to happily move on from that and move to Israel with a smile. Some would rather choose death than live among and work for Israelis. That is what keeps Israel safer? I would think such a move would make Israel less safe

Would Israelis want to live in a Palestinian state ran by Hamas? Of course not

You misunderstood sarcasm. Palestinians were never given an option to “integrate peacefully into the Israeli society”. So it’s stupid to reproach them for not doing it.

You might want to do some reading on why Jordan and Egypt hasn't given Palestinians living there the option to integrate into Jordanian or Egyptian society. Or maybe read up on how Palestinians pushed Lebanon into civil war. They keep proving over and over again that they are incapable of peacefully integrating into anyone's society.

Palestinians were never offered a path to Israeli citizenship. Whoever talks about peaceful integration into Israeli society is lying.

Oh yes, the people who want to destroy Israel and kill Jews - why haven't they been fully integrated into Israel? It's such a mystery!

Why do you think Egypt hasn't offered them Egyptian citizenship? Can you answer that question without somehow blaming Israel?

I don't care about any of this. I just care about pointing out that the notion of "why don't Palestinians peacefully integrate into the Israeli society" is bullcrap.

Because they're going to violence their way into - what, being bombed to death - instead?

That’s all fine - as long as it’s noted that “peaceful integration into the Israeli society “ is a lie. It was never on the table.

Look, there are almost 2 million Arabs living in Israel - about 20% of the country's population. And no one is proposing to throw them out. They are living there peacefully.

The Palestinians in Gaza WERE able to come and go when they had jobs in Israel or needed medical treatment, or all kinds of other things. But I don't know why you would think that it would ever make sense to fold Gaza into Israel. Who in the world would actually want that? You think the Palestinians who are angry to the point of rape and slaughter about Israel existing at all, want to live under Israeli rule?! You think this is a plan that should be proposed? "Hey, you keep saying 'from the river to the sea' and 'death to all Jews' - but wanna come join our country?"

I don't know why you think this is a gotcha.

Except members of the current Israeli government, you mean? Ben Gvir has called for the expulsion of Arab citizens of Israel before.

https://www.npr.org/2022/12/15/1142813395/israel-benjamin-netanyahu-government

(And before you say he’s fringe— he’s in the governing cabinet right now.)

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Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.

How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money

Because they do need "their own" anything. They can choose to live as part of Israeli society like other Arabs in Israel do. Ok they may want "their own" this and that but Israel and the rest of us are not required to care. You can talk talk talk all the day long.

I am intrigued with your thinking that all Palestinians need to do to become Israeli citizens is choose to be them. Please elaborate.

It amazes me they think that makes Isrsel safer. It’s essentially calling for a one state solution as well.

Palestinians who lost their babies and mothers and fathers and spouses aren’t able to happily move on from that and move to Israel with a smile. Some would rather choose death than live among and work for Israelis. That is what keeps Israel safer? I would think such a move would make Israel less safe

Would Israelis want to live in a Palestinian state ran by Hamas? Of course not

You misunderstood sarcasm. Palestinians were never given an option to “integrate peacefully into the Israeli society”. So it’s stupid to reproach them for not doing it.

You might want to do some reading on why Jordan and Egypt hasn't given Palestinians living there the option to integrate into Jordanian or Egyptian society. Or maybe read up on how Palestinians pushed Lebanon into civil war. They keep proving over and over again that they are incapable of peacefully integrating into anyone's society.

Palestinians were never offered a path to Israeli citizenship. Whoever talks about peaceful integration into Israeli society is lying.

Oh yes, the people who want to destroy Israel and kill Jews - why haven't they been fully integrated into Israel? It's such a mystery!

Why do you think Egypt hasn't offered them Egyptian citizenship? Can you answer that question without somehow blaming Israel?

Egypt hasn’t offered them Egyptian citizenship because it’s their position, like the 100+ countries who have attempted to secure a U.N. ceasefire resolution over the past few months (and dozens of other U.S. blocked resolutions over the past several decades), that their rightful place is their ancestral homeland that Israel continues to encroach upon.

Egypt believes, like many, many other countries, that to offer them citizenship is to absolve Israel of what should be its responsibility to resolve the ongoing, decades long conflict through concessions.

It sounds like you and several others here believe in the stereotype that Palestinians are all inherently and unavoidably disposed to behave a certain way. It’s sadly ironic that one group that has created an entire culture around battling others for stereotyping them is so content to stereotype other groups.

Oh please. They don't want the kinds of people who do 10.7 type things to flood their country any more than anyone else does. They can couch it in terms of not sanctioning Israel's existence - except they have relations with Israel. And they know well that they are better off with Israel being Israel than anyone else taking over that land.

I don't believe Palestinians are inherently violent - but I do believe that the Palestinians who commit these violent acts ruin any chance for everyone else. They hide among civilians - how is anyone supposed to tell them apart from the "peaceful" Palestinians who don't support that "intifada intifada" "by any means necessary" " no two state solution" sort of rhetoric and behavior.

Can you point me to Palestinian orgs that are calling for peace right now? Because I see a lot of Jews and Israelis who want peace - and I'm just not seeing that reciprocated a lot of places. I see calls for ceasefires - but the people calling for a ceasefire are the same ones chanting "intifada intifada," so we know what that's about.

They don’t hide among civilians though. Hamas specifically built the tunnels away from civilians so that their stockpiles don’t get destroyed by Israel.

They very much do hide among civilians. The tunnels are for transporting weapons, contraband, supplies, kidnapped hostages, moving people that the IDF is looking for. But otherwise they do hide among civilians, they fire rockets and shoot at IDF from inside residential areas, from inside refugee camps, hospitals and schools, they wear civilian clothing, and so on. There are mountains of evidence showing this.

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It's absolutely astounding that anyone would claim otherwise. Hamas uses their people as human shields, so that when IDF retaliates, Hamas can point to gruesome images of Palestinians being wounded or killed and gain sympathy - from idiots. Because idiots are the only people who actually believe them.

Riiiiight bruh. Just like Israel claimed there was a Hamas “command center” in Al Shifa hospital. Their evidence was so weak that it became the laughingstock of the internet. Then the Washington Post did a huge investigation/expose saying there was no evidence of a command center there after all!! The only idiots I see (well, more so sociopathic racists) are the ones who believe that the murder of over 20,000 Palestinians in less than 3 months is accidental.

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Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.

How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money

Because they do need "their own" anything. They can choose to live as part of Israeli society like other Arabs in Israel do. Ok they may want "their own" this and that but Israel and the rest of us are not required to care. You can talk talk talk all the day long.

I am intrigued with your thinking that all Palestinians need to do to become Israeli citizens is choose to be them. Please elaborate.

It amazes me they think that makes Isrsel safer. It’s essentially calling for a one state solution as well.

Palestinians who lost their babies and mothers and fathers and spouses aren’t able to happily move on from that and move to Israel with a smile. Some would rather choose death than live among and work for Israelis. That is what keeps Israel safer? I would think such a move would make Israel less safe

Would Israelis want to live in a Palestinian state ran by Hamas? Of course not

You misunderstood sarcasm. Palestinians were never given an option to “integrate peacefully into the Israeli society”. So it’s stupid to reproach them for not doing it.

You might want to do some reading on why Jordan and Egypt hasn't given Palestinians living there the option to integrate into Jordanian or Egyptian society. Or maybe read up on how Palestinians pushed Lebanon into civil war. They keep proving over and over again that they are incapable of peacefully integrating into anyone's society.

Palestinians were never offered a path to Israeli citizenship. Whoever talks about peaceful integration into Israeli society is lying.

Oh yes, the people who want to destroy Israel and kill Jews - why haven't they been fully integrated into Israel? It's such a mystery!

Why do you think Egypt hasn't offered them Egyptian citizenship? Can you answer that question without somehow blaming Israel?

Egypt hasn’t offered them Egyptian citizenship because it’s their position, like the 100+ countries who have attempted to secure a U.N. ceasefire resolution over the past few months (and dozens of other U.S. blocked resolutions over the past several decades), that their rightful place is their ancestral homeland that Israel continues to encroach upon.

Egypt believes, like many, many other countries, that to offer them citizenship is to absolve Israel of what should be its responsibility to resolve the ongoing, decades long conflict through concessions.

It sounds like you and several others here believe in the stereotype that Palestinians are all inherently and unavoidably disposed to behave a certain way. It’s sadly ironic that one group that has created an entire culture around battling others for stereotyping them is so content to stereotype other groups.

Oh please. They don't want the kinds of people who do 10.7 type things to flood their country any more than anyone else does. They can couch it in terms of not sanctioning Israel's existence - except they have relations with Israel. And they know well that they are better off with Israel being Israel than anyone else taking over that land.

I don't believe Palestinians are inherently violent - but I do believe that the Palestinians who commit these violent acts ruin any chance for everyone else. They hide among civilians - how is anyone supposed to tell them apart from the "peaceful" Palestinians who don't support that "intifada intifada" "by any means necessary" " no two state solution" sort of rhetoric and behavior.

Can you point me to Palestinian orgs that are calling for peace right now? Because I see a lot of Jews and Israelis who want peace - and I'm just not seeing that reciprocated a lot of places. I see calls for ceasefires - but the people calling for a ceasefire are the same ones chanting "intifada intifada," so we know what that's about.

They don’t hide among civilians though. Hamas specifically built the tunnels away from civilians so that their stockpiles don’t get destroyed by Israel.

They very much do hide among civilians. The tunnels are for transporting weapons, contraband, supplies, kidnapped hostages, moving people that the IDF is looking for. But otherwise they do hide among civilians, they fire rockets and shoot at IDF from inside residential areas, from inside refugee camps, hospitals and schools, they wear civilian clothing, and so on. There are mountains of evidence showing this.

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It's absolutely astounding that anyone would claim otherwise. Hamas uses their people as human shields, so that when IDF retaliates, Hamas can point to gruesome images of Palestinians being wounded or killed and gain sympathy - from idiots. Because idiots are the only people who actually believe them.

If you can justify bombing civilians because a Hamas soldier bought bread from a bakery and picked up his nephew from a school once, you can justify killing anyone anywhere.

I bet we’ve all had arms lengths encounters with some unsavory militant group—even if all we did was buy something at a big department store.

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Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.

How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money

Because they do need "their own" anything. They can choose to live as part of Israeli society like other Arabs in Israel do. Ok they may want "their own" this and that but Israel and the rest of us are not required to care. You can talk talk talk all the day long.

I am intrigued with your thinking that all Palestinians need to do to become Israeli citizens is choose to be them. Please elaborate.

It amazes me they think that makes Isrsel safer. It’s essentially calling for a one state solution as well.

Palestinians who lost their babies and mothers and fathers and spouses aren’t able to happily move on from that and move to Israel with a smile. Some would rather choose death than live among and work for Israelis. That is what keeps Israel safer? I would think such a move would make Israel less safe

Would Israelis want to live in a Palestinian state ran by Hamas? Of course not

You misunderstood sarcasm. Palestinians were never given an option to “integrate peacefully into the Israeli society”. So it’s stupid to reproach them for not doing it.

You might want to do some reading on why Jordan and Egypt hasn't given Palestinians living there the option to integrate into Jordanian or Egyptian society. Or maybe read up on how Palestinians pushed Lebanon into civil war. They keep proving over and over again that they are incapable of peacefully integrating into anyone's society.

Palestinians were never offered a path to Israeli citizenship. Whoever talks about peaceful integration into Israeli society is lying.

Oh yes, the people who want to destroy Israel and kill Jews - why haven't they been fully integrated into Israel? It's such a mystery!

Why do you think Egypt hasn't offered them Egyptian citizenship? Can you answer that question without somehow blaming Israel?

Egypt hasn’t offered them Egyptian citizenship because it’s their position, like the 100+ countries who have attempted to secure a U.N. ceasefire resolution over the past few months (and dozens of other U.S. blocked resolutions over the past several decades), that their rightful place is their ancestral homeland that Israel continues to encroach upon.

Egypt believes, like many, many other countries, that to offer them citizenship is to absolve Israel of what should be its responsibility to resolve the ongoing, decades long conflict through concessions.

It sounds like you and several others here believe in the stereotype that Palestinians are all inherently and unavoidably disposed to behave a certain way. It’s sadly ironic that one group that has created an entire culture around battling others for stereotyping them is so content to stereotype other groups.

Oh please. They don't want the kinds of people who do 10.7 type things to flood their country any more than anyone else does. They can couch it in terms of not sanctioning Israel's existence - except they have relations with Israel. And they know well that they are better off with Israel being Israel than anyone else taking over that land.

I don't believe Palestinians are inherently violent - but I do believe that the Palestinians who commit these violent acts ruin any chance for everyone else. They hide among civilians - how is anyone supposed to tell them apart from the "peaceful" Palestinians who don't support that "intifada intifada" "by any means necessary" " no two state solution" sort of rhetoric and behavior.

Can you point me to Palestinian orgs that are calling for peace right now? Because I see a lot of Jews and Israelis who want peace - and I'm just not seeing that reciprocated a lot of places. I see calls for ceasefires - but the people calling for a ceasefire are the same ones chanting "intifada intifada," so we know what that's about.

They don’t hide among civilians though. Hamas specifically built the tunnels away from civilians so that their stockpiles don’t get destroyed by Israel.

They very much do hide among civilians. The tunnels are for transporting weapons, contraband, supplies, kidnapped hostages, moving people that the IDF is looking for. But otherwise they do hide among civilians, they fire rockets and shoot at IDF from inside residential areas, from inside refugee camps, hospitals and schools, they wear civilian clothing, and so on. There are mountains of evidence showing this.

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It's absolutely astounding that anyone would claim otherwise. Hamas uses their people as human shields, so that when IDF retaliates, Hamas can point to gruesome images of Palestinians being wounded or killed and gain sympathy - from idiots. Because idiots are the only people who actually believe them.

If you believe that Hamas uses civilians as human shields, it’s fair to assume that not all those civilians have a say in this, yet Israel treats them as collateral damage and indiscriminately murders civilians regardless of whether Hamas is using them as shields at the moment. These are war crimes and the filthy Israelis responsible for them should be captured, tried internationally, and punished accordingly.

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Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.

How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money

Because they do need "their own" anything. They can choose to live as part of Israeli society like other Arabs in Israel do. Ok they may want "their own" this and that but Israel and the rest of us are not required to care. You can talk talk talk all the day long.

I am intrigued with your thinking that all Palestinians need to do to become Israeli citizens is choose to be them. Please elaborate.

It amazes me they think that makes Isrsel safer. It’s essentially calling for a one state solution as well.

Palestinians who lost their babies and mothers and fathers and spouses aren’t able to happily move on from that and move to Israel with a smile. Some would rather choose death than live among and work for Israelis. That is what keeps Israel safer? I would think such a move would make Israel less safe

Would Israelis want to live in a Palestinian state ran by Hamas? Of course not

You misunderstood sarcasm. Palestinians were never given an option to “integrate peacefully into the Israeli society”. So it’s stupid to reproach them for not doing it.

You might want to do some reading on why Jordan and Egypt hasn't given Palestinians living there the option to integrate into Jordanian or Egyptian society. Or maybe read up on how Palestinians pushed Lebanon into civil war. They keep proving over and over again that they are incapable of peacefully integrating into anyone's society.

Palestinians were never offered a path to Israeli citizenship. Whoever talks about peaceful integration into Israeli society is lying.

Oh yes, the people who want to destroy Israel and kill Jews - why haven't they been fully integrated into Israel? It's such a mystery!

Why do you think Egypt hasn't offered them Egyptian citizenship? Can you answer that question without somehow blaming Israel?

Egypt hasn’t offered them Egyptian citizenship because it’s their position, like the 100+ countries who have attempted to secure a U.N. ceasefire resolution over the past few months (and dozens of other U.S. blocked resolutions over the past several decades), that their rightful place is their ancestral homeland that Israel continues to encroach upon.

Egypt believes, like many, many other countries, that to offer them citizenship is to absolve Israel of what should be its responsibility to resolve the ongoing, decades long conflict through concessions.

It sounds like you and several others here believe in the stereotype that Palestinians are all inherently and unavoidably disposed to behave a certain way. It’s sadly ironic that one group that has created an entire culture around battling others for stereotyping them is so content to stereotype other groups.

Oh please. They don't want the kinds of people who do 10.7 type things to flood their country any more than anyone else does. They can couch it in terms of not sanctioning Israel's existence - except they have relations with Israel. And they know well that they are better off with Israel being Israel than anyone else taking over that land.

I don't believe Palestinians are inherently violent - but I do believe that the Palestinians who commit these violent acts ruin any chance for everyone else. They hide among civilians - how is anyone supposed to tell them apart from the "peaceful" Palestinians who don't support that "intifada intifada" "by any means necessary" " no two state solution" sort of rhetoric and behavior.

Can you point me to Palestinian orgs that are calling for peace right now? Because I see a lot of Jews and Israelis who want peace - and I'm just not seeing that reciprocated a lot of places. I see calls for ceasefires - but the people calling for a ceasefire are the same ones chanting "intifada intifada," so we know what that's about.

They don’t hide among civilians though. Hamas specifically built the tunnels away from civilians so that their stockpiles don’t get destroyed by Israel.

They very much do hide among civilians. The tunnels are for transporting weapons, contraband, supplies, kidnapped hostages, moving people that the IDF is looking for. But otherwise they do hide among civilians, they fire rockets and shoot at IDF from inside residential areas, from inside refugee camps, hospitals and schools, they wear civilian clothing, and so on. There are mountains of evidence showing this.

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It's absolutely astounding that anyone would claim otherwise. Hamas uses their people as human shields, so that when IDF retaliates, Hamas can point to gruesome images of Palestinians being wounded or killed and gain sympathy - from idiots. Because idiots are the only people who actually believe them.

Riiiiight bruh. Just like Israel claimed there was a Hamas “command center” in Al Shifa hospital. Their evidence was so weak that it became the laughingstock of the internet. Then the Washington Post did a huge investigation/expose saying there was no evidence of a command center there after all!! The only idiots I see (well, more so sociopathic racists) are the ones who believe that the murder of over 20,000 Palestinians in less than 3 months is accidental.

Bingo. It’s intentional slaughter by a bunch of perverted sadists with no respect for the lives of anyone who isn’t also Jewish.

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Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.

How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money

Because they do need "their own" anything. They can choose to live as part of Israeli society like other Arabs in Israel do. Ok they may want "their own" this and that but Israel and the rest of us are not required to care. You can talk talk talk all the day long.

I am intrigued with your thinking that all Palestinians need to do to become Israeli citizens is choose to be them. Please elaborate.

It amazes me they think that makes Isrsel safer. It’s essentially calling for a one state solution as well.

Palestinians who lost their babies and mothers and fathers and spouses aren’t able to happily move on from that and move to Israel with a smile. Some would rather choose death than live among and work for Israelis. That is what keeps Israel safer? I would think such a move would make Israel less safe

Would Israelis want to live in a Palestinian state ran by Hamas? Of course not

You misunderstood sarcasm. Palestinians were never given an option to “integrate peacefully into the Israeli society”. So it’s stupid to reproach them for not doing it.

You might want to do some reading on why Jordan and Egypt hasn't given Palestinians living there the option to integrate into Jordanian or Egyptian society. Or maybe read up on how Palestinians pushed Lebanon into civil war. They keep proving over and over again that they are incapable of peacefully integrating into anyone's society.

Palestinians were never offered a path to Israeli citizenship. Whoever talks about peaceful integration into Israeli society is lying.

Oh yes, the people who want to destroy Israel and kill Jews - why haven't they been fully integrated into Israel? It's such a mystery!

Why do you think Egypt hasn't offered them Egyptian citizenship? Can you answer that question without somehow blaming Israel?

Egypt hasn’t offered them Egyptian citizenship because it’s their position, like the 100+ countries who have attempted to secure a U.N. ceasefire resolution over the past few months (and dozens of other U.S. blocked resolutions over the past several decades), that their rightful place is their ancestral homeland that Israel continues to encroach upon.

Egypt believes, like many, many other countries, that to offer them citizenship is to absolve Israel of what should be its responsibility to resolve the ongoing, decades long conflict through concessions.

It sounds like you and several others here believe in the stereotype that Palestinians are all inherently and unavoidably disposed to behave a certain way. It’s sadly ironic that one group that has created an entire culture around battling others for stereotyping them is so content to stereotype other groups.

Oh please. They don't want the kinds of people who do 10.7 type things to flood their country any more than anyone else does. They can couch it in terms of not sanctioning Israel's existence - except they have relations with Israel. And they know well that they are better off with Israel being Israel than anyone else taking over that land.

I don't believe Palestinians are inherently violent - but I do believe that the Palestinians who commit these violent acts ruin any chance for everyone else. They hide among civilians - how is anyone supposed to tell them apart from the "peaceful" Palestinians who don't support that "intifada intifada" "by any means necessary" " no two state solution" sort of rhetoric and behavior.

Can you point me to Palestinian orgs that are calling for peace right now? Because I see a lot of Jews and Israelis who want peace - and I'm just not seeing that reciprocated a lot of places. I see calls for ceasefires - but the people calling for a ceasefire are the same ones chanting "intifada intifada," so we know what that's about.

They don’t hide among civilians though. Hamas specifically built the tunnels away from civilians so that their stockpiles don’t get destroyed by Israel.

They very much do hide among civilians. The tunnels are for transporting weapons, contraband, supplies, kidnapped hostages, moving people that the IDF is looking for. But otherwise they do hide among civilians, they fire rockets and shoot at IDF from inside residential areas, from inside refugee camps, hospitals and schools, they wear civilian clothing, and so on. There are mountains of evidence showing this.

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It's absolutely astounding that anyone would claim otherwise. Hamas uses their people as human shields, so that when IDF retaliates, Hamas can point to gruesome images of Palestinians being wounded or killed and gain sympathy - from idiots. Because idiots are the only people who actually believe them.

Riiiiight bruh. Just like Israel claimed there was a Hamas “command center” in Al Shifa hospital. Their evidence was so weak that it became the laughingstock of the internet. Then the Washington Post did a huge investigation/expose saying there was no evidence of a command center there after all!! The only idiots I see (well, more so sociopathic racists) are the ones who believe that the murder of over 20,000 Palestinians in less than 3 months is accidental.

Bingo. It’s intentional slaughter by a bunch of perverted sadists with no respect for the lives of anyone who isn’t also Jewish.

Nah. It’s war.

Horrible and messy, just like all of them.

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Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.

How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money

Because they do need "their own" anything. They can choose to live as part of Israeli society like other Arabs in Israel do. Ok they may want "their own" this and that but Israel and the rest of us are not required to care. You can talk talk talk all the day long.

I am intrigued with your thinking that all Palestinians need to do to become Israeli citizens is choose to be them. Please elaborate.

It amazes me they think that makes Isrsel safer. It’s essentially calling for a one state solution as well.

Palestinians who lost their babies and mothers and fathers and spouses aren’t able to happily move on from that and move to Israel with a smile. Some would rather choose death than live among and work for Israelis. That is what keeps Israel safer? I would think such a move would make Israel less safe

Would Israelis want to live in a Palestinian state ran by Hamas? Of course not

You misunderstood sarcasm. Palestinians were never given an option to “integrate peacefully into the Israeli society”. So it’s stupid to reproach them for not doing it.

You might want to do some reading on why Jordan and Egypt hasn't given Palestinians living there the option to integrate into Jordanian or Egyptian society. Or maybe read up on how Palestinians pushed Lebanon into civil war. They keep proving over and over again that they are incapable of peacefully integrating into anyone's society.

Palestinians were never offered a path to Israeli citizenship. Whoever talks about peaceful integration into Israeli society is lying.

Oh yes, the people who want to destroy Israel and kill Jews - why haven't they been fully integrated into Israel? It's such a mystery!

Why do you think Egypt hasn't offered them Egyptian citizenship? Can you answer that question without somehow blaming Israel?

Egypt hasn’t offered them Egyptian citizenship because it’s their position, like the 100+ countries who have attempted to secure a U.N. ceasefire resolution over the past few months (and dozens of other U.S. blocked resolutions over the past several decades), that their rightful place is their ancestral homeland that Israel continues to encroach upon.

Egypt believes, like many, many other countries, that to offer them citizenship is to absolve Israel of what should be its responsibility to resolve the ongoing, decades long conflict through concessions.

It sounds like you and several others here believe in the stereotype that Palestinians are all inherently and unavoidably disposed to behave a certain way. It’s sadly ironic that one group that has created an entire culture around battling others for stereotyping them is so content to stereotype other groups.

Oh please. They don't want the kinds of people who do 10.7 type things to flood their country any more than anyone else does. They can couch it in terms of not sanctioning Israel's existence - except they have relations with Israel. And they know well that they are better off with Israel being Israel than anyone else taking over that land.

I don't believe Palestinians are inherently violent - but I do believe that the Palestinians who commit these violent acts ruin any chance for everyone else. They hide among civilians - how is anyone supposed to tell them apart from the "peaceful" Palestinians who don't support that "intifada intifada" "by any means necessary" " no two state solution" sort of rhetoric and behavior.

Can you point me to Palestinian orgs that are calling for peace right now? Because I see a lot of Jews and Israelis who want peace - and I'm just not seeing that reciprocated a lot of places. I see calls for ceasefires - but the people calling for a ceasefire are the same ones chanting "intifada intifada," so we know what that's about.

They don’t hide among civilians though. Hamas specifically built the tunnels away from civilians so that their stockpiles don’t get destroyed by Israel.

They very much do hide among civilians. The tunnels are for transporting weapons, contraband, supplies, kidnapped hostages, moving people that the IDF is looking for. But otherwise they do hide among civilians, they fire rockets and shoot at IDF from inside residential areas, from inside refugee camps, hospitals and schools, they wear civilian clothing, and so on. There are mountains of evidence showing this.

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It's absolutely astounding that anyone would claim otherwise. Hamas uses their people as human shields, so that when IDF retaliates, Hamas can point to gruesome images of Palestinians being wounded or killed and gain sympathy - from idiots. Because idiots are the only people who actually believe them.

If you believe that Hamas uses civilians as human shields, it’s fair to assume that not all those civilians have a say in this, yet Israel treats them as collateral damage and indiscriminately murders civilians regardless of whether Hamas is using them as shields at the moment. These are war crimes and the filthy Israelis responsible for them should be captured, tried internationally, and punished accordingly.

You should go hunt them down. You sound like you know what you’re talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.

How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money

Because they do need "their own" anything. They can choose to live as part of Israeli society like other Arabs in Israel do. Ok they may want "their own" this and that but Israel and the rest of us are not required to care. You can talk talk talk all the day long.

I am intrigued with your thinking that all Palestinians need to do to become Israeli citizens is choose to be them. Please elaborate.

It amazes me they think that makes Isrsel safer. It’s essentially calling for a one state solution as well.

Palestinians who lost their babies and mothers and fathers and spouses aren’t able to happily move on from that and move to Israel with a smile. Some would rather choose death than live among and work for Israelis. That is what keeps Israel safer? I would think such a move would make Israel less safe

Would Israelis want to live in a Palestinian state ran by Hamas? Of course not

You misunderstood sarcasm. Palestinians were never given an option to “integrate peacefully into the Israeli society”. So it’s stupid to reproach them for not doing it.

You might want to do some reading on why Jordan and Egypt hasn't given Palestinians living there the option to integrate into Jordanian or Egyptian society. Or maybe read up on how Palestinians pushed Lebanon into civil war. They keep proving over and over again that they are incapable of peacefully integrating into anyone's society.

Palestinians were never offered a path to Israeli citizenship. Whoever talks about peaceful integration into Israeli society is lying.

Oh yes, the people who want to destroy Israel and kill Jews - why haven't they been fully integrated into Israel? It's such a mystery!

Why do you think Egypt hasn't offered them Egyptian citizenship? Can you answer that question without somehow blaming Israel?

Egypt hasn’t offered them Egyptian citizenship because it’s their position, like the 100+ countries who have attempted to secure a U.N. ceasefire resolution over the past few months (and dozens of other U.S. blocked resolutions over the past several decades), that their rightful place is their ancestral homeland that Israel continues to encroach upon.

Egypt believes, like many, many other countries, that to offer them citizenship is to absolve Israel of what should be its responsibility to resolve the ongoing, decades long conflict through concessions.

It sounds like you and several others here believe in the stereotype that Palestinians are all inherently and unavoidably disposed to behave a certain way. It’s sadly ironic that one group that has created an entire culture around battling others for stereotyping them is so content to stereotype other groups.

Oh please. They don't want the kinds of people who do 10.7 type things to flood their country any more than anyone else does. They can couch it in terms of not sanctioning Israel's existence - except they have relations with Israel. And they know well that they are better off with Israel being Israel than anyone else taking over that land.

I don't believe Palestinians are inherently violent - but I do believe that the Palestinians who commit these violent acts ruin any chance for everyone else. They hide among civilians - how is anyone supposed to tell them apart from the "peaceful" Palestinians who don't support that "intifada intifada" "by any means necessary" " no two state solution" sort of rhetoric and behavior.

Can you point me to Palestinian orgs that are calling for peace right now? Because I see a lot of Jews and Israelis who want peace - and I'm just not seeing that reciprocated a lot of places. I see calls for ceasefires - but the people calling for a ceasefire are the same ones chanting "intifada intifada," so we know what that's about.

They don’t hide among civilians though. Hamas specifically built the tunnels away from civilians so that their stockpiles don’t get destroyed by Israel.

They very much do hide among civilians. The tunnels are for transporting weapons, contraband, supplies, kidnapped hostages, moving people that the IDF is looking for. But otherwise they do hide among civilians, they fire rockets and shoot at IDF from inside residential areas, from inside refugee camps, hospitals and schools, they wear civilian clothing, and so on. There are mountains of evidence showing this.

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It's absolutely astounding that anyone would claim otherwise. Hamas uses their people as human shields, so that when IDF retaliates, Hamas can point to gruesome images of Palestinians being wounded or killed and gain sympathy - from idiots. Because idiots are the only people who actually believe them.

Riiiiight bruh. Just like Israel claimed there was a Hamas “command center” in Al Shifa hospital. Their evidence was so weak that it became the laughingstock of the internet. Then the Washington Post did a huge investigation/expose saying there was no evidence of a command center there after all!! The only idiots I see (well, more so sociopathic racists) are the ones who believe that the murder of over 20,000 Palestinians in less than 3 months is accidental.

Bingo. It’s intentional slaughter by a bunch of perverted sadists with no respect for the lives of anyone who isn’t also Jewish.

Nah. It’s war.

Horrible and messy, just like all of them.

The Pope has condemned Israel’s “terrorism” and unjustified attacks on civilians in Gaza. Israel is now a global pariah, and justifiably so. Its leadership and military are below contempt.

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Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.

How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money

Because they do need "their own" anything. They can choose to live as part of Israeli society like other Arabs in Israel do. Ok they may want "their own" this and that but Israel and the rest of us are not required to care. You can talk talk talk all the day long.

I am intrigued with your thinking that all Palestinians need to do to become Israeli citizens is choose to be them. Please elaborate.

It amazes me they think that makes Isrsel safer. It’s essentially calling for a one state solution as well.

Palestinians who lost their babies and mothers and fathers and spouses aren’t able to happily move on from that and move to Israel with a smile. Some would rather choose death than live among and work for Israelis. That is what keeps Israel safer? I would think such a move would make Israel less safe

Would Israelis want to live in a Palestinian state ran by Hamas? Of course not

You misunderstood sarcasm. Palestinians were never given an option to “integrate peacefully into the Israeli society”. So it’s stupid to reproach them for not doing it.

You might want to do some reading on why Jordan and Egypt hasn't given Palestinians living there the option to integrate into Jordanian or Egyptian society. Or maybe read up on how Palestinians pushed Lebanon into civil war. They keep proving over and over again that they are incapable of peacefully integrating into anyone's society.

Palestinians were never offered a path to Israeli citizenship. Whoever talks about peaceful integration into Israeli society is lying.

Oh yes, the people who want to destroy Israel and kill Jews - why haven't they been fully integrated into Israel? It's such a mystery!

Why do you think Egypt hasn't offered them Egyptian citizenship? Can you answer that question without somehow blaming Israel?

Egypt hasn’t offered them Egyptian citizenship because it’s their position, like the 100+ countries who have attempted to secure a U.N. ceasefire resolution over the past few months (and dozens of other U.S. blocked resolutions over the past several decades), that their rightful place is their ancestral homeland that Israel continues to encroach upon.

Egypt believes, like many, many other countries, that to offer them citizenship is to absolve Israel of what should be its responsibility to resolve the ongoing, decades long conflict through concessions.

It sounds like you and several others here believe in the stereotype that Palestinians are all inherently and unavoidably disposed to behave a certain way. It’s sadly ironic that one group that has created an entire culture around battling others for stereotyping them is so content to stereotype other groups.

Oh please. They don't want the kinds of people who do 10.7 type things to flood their country any more than anyone else does. They can couch it in terms of not sanctioning Israel's existence - except they have relations with Israel. And they know well that they are better off with Israel being Israel than anyone else taking over that land.

I don't believe Palestinians are inherently violent - but I do believe that the Palestinians who commit these violent acts ruin any chance for everyone else. They hide among civilians - how is anyone supposed to tell them apart from the "peaceful" Palestinians who don't support that "intifada intifada" "by any means necessary" " no two state solution" sort of rhetoric and behavior.

Can you point me to Palestinian orgs that are calling for peace right now? Because I see a lot of Jews and Israelis who want peace - and I'm just not seeing that reciprocated a lot of places. I see calls for ceasefires - but the people calling for a ceasefire are the same ones chanting "intifada intifada," so we know what that's about.

They don’t hide among civilians though. Hamas specifically built the tunnels away from civilians so that their stockpiles don’t get destroyed by Israel.

They very much do hide among civilians. The tunnels are for transporting weapons, contraband, supplies, kidnapped hostages, moving people that the IDF is looking for. But otherwise they do hide among civilians, they fire rockets and shoot at IDF from inside residential areas, from inside refugee camps, hospitals and schools, they wear civilian clothing, and so on. There are mountains of evidence showing this.

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It's absolutely astounding that anyone would claim otherwise. Hamas uses their people as human shields, so that when IDF retaliates, Hamas can point to gruesome images of Palestinians being wounded or killed and gain sympathy - from idiots. Because idiots are the only people who actually believe them.

Riiiiight bruh. Just like Israel claimed there was a Hamas “command center” in Al Shifa hospital. Their evidence was so weak that it became the laughingstock of the internet. Then the Washington Post did a huge investigation/expose saying there was no evidence of a command center there after all!! The only idiots I see (well, more so sociopathic racists) are the ones who believe that the murder of over 20,000 Palestinians in less than 3 months is accidental.

Bingo. It’s intentional slaughter by a bunch of perverted sadists with no respect for the lives of anyone who isn’t also Jewish.

Nah. It’s war.

Horrible and messy, just like all of them.

The Pope has condemned Israel’s “terrorism” and unjustified attacks on civilians in Gaza. Israel is now a global pariah, and justifiably so. Its leadership and military are below contempt.

Well, I agree that Israel’s political leadership is contemptible.

Same is true of Palestinians.

Plenty of dirtbags on both sides.

Palestinians really should have taken one of their 46 chances at having a state if their own.

Complete idiocy.