Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.

How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money

Because they do need "their own" anything. They can choose to live as part of Israeli society like other Arabs in Israel do. Ok they may want "their own" this and that but Israel and the rest of us are not required to care. You can talk talk talk all the day long.

I am intrigued with your thinking that all Palestinians need to do to become Israeli citizens is choose to be them. Please elaborate.

It amazes me they think that makes Isrsel safer. It’s essentially calling for a one state solution as well.

Palestinians who lost their babies and mothers and fathers and spouses aren’t able to happily move on from that and move to Israel with a smile. Some would rather choose death than live among and work for Israelis. That is what keeps Israel safer? I would think such a move would make Israel less safe

Would Israelis want to live in a Palestinian state ran by Hamas? Of course not

You misunderstood sarcasm. Palestinians were never given an option to “integrate peacefully into the Israeli society”. So it’s stupid to reproach them for not doing it.

You might want to do some reading on why Jordan and Egypt hasn't given Palestinians living there the option to integrate into Jordanian or Egyptian society. Or maybe read up on how Palestinians pushed Lebanon into civil war. They keep proving over and over again that they are incapable of peacefully integrating into anyone's society.

Palestinians were never offered a path to Israeli citizenship. Whoever talks about peaceful integration into Israeli society is lying.

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Anonymous wrote:People hate the words genocide and colonialism, especially when it applys to their actions.

People hate it when you tie those words together like you think that explains history.

It's childishly simplistic thinking whose only purpose is to show us that you think colonialism and genocide are bad.

The definition of colonialism is complicated and depends on context.

No one is making an argument that we should have more genocide.

Please detail good colonialism.

It's kind of weird how the only "bad" colonialism is western colonialism. Never mind the brutal campaigns of conquest and subjugation that the Russians engaged in that took them all the way to the far reaches of the Pacific. Never mind the Soviet tactics of violent coups and destabilization, arming violent warlords and extremists all across Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, Southeast Asia. Never mind that they still continue this today with Wagner and other groups. Never mind that Iran has been funding and supporting groups to destabilize and attack in many countries, like the Houthis, Hezbollah, and others. That's ALSO colonialism. Weird that the entire fact of the spread of Islam in a swath spanning from Africa well into Asia including the Balkans and many other areas came about through violent conquest, subjugation, enslavement and colonization but somehow that's ignored. Never mind that many other countries like China are also as big as they are because of a legacy of violent conquest and colonialization. Never mind that ALL of those powers engaged in genocide. Just ignore all of history, the only evil powers are Israel and the US.

Look, friend - are you really this ignorant of history? Delusional? Or a deliberate liar? Regardless of which, none are a win for you.

DP. You bring a good point. I think what Palestinians are really upset about is that they never got the chance to be independent at all .

It went from Greeks to Romans to Arabs to Turks to Brits to Jews While everyone else became an independent state but Jews also had this problem of always being conquered and never really being a free independent state until recently .

How can Palestinians experience the same independence and safety that Israelis have? I’m not sure how to answer that.

Hamas has claimed they don’t mind recognizing Israel as their neighbor so long as Palestinians get their own independent state.

The problem is Israel won’t let Palestinians run their own independent state with their own military and control
Of their own airspace because they believe that they would take the opportunity to attack and they do have a point about that.

I don’t know what the solution is except for possible US or NATO controlled airspace and borders to cancel out strikes or attacks from both sides but if those entities get attacked then everyone would be forced into war .

The problem is Israel tested Palestinian semi independence with Gaza and Hamas used the opportunity to grow militarily (some Palestinians would say at with Israel’s encouragement and aiding and abetting ) so now Israel isn’t even considering anything but annexation and closing all negotiations regarding any sort of resemblance to Palestinian sovereignty

The problem also is Palestinians in the West Bank do not like Mahmoud Abbas and consider him a non entity, irrelevant, and a neutered president from a dying party. The younger generation supports Hamas . The neighboring Arab street also likes Hamas over Mahmoud Abbas. Egypt has hinted to the U.S. and to Israel that they do not want Abbas and the PA in charge of Gaza and they prefer to stick with Hamas -the devil they know. The West Bank supports Hamas more than Gaza does which is no doubt because they aren’t suffering as much casualties so are a further removed from the Hamas caused war.

Oh yes, those chants "intifada intifada," "from the river to the sea," and "no two state solution" def suggest that what these folks want is peace between neighbors.

If Hamas wanted a peaceful piece of land on which to build a prosperous and safe Palestinian society - guess what, that's what they had as recently as Oct 6.

Hasbara ministry has found this thread. Copy paste in full swing.

Nope. Just a moderate Jew who dislikes Netanyahu, and has come to dislike the Palestinian cause even more. There were pro-Palestinian protestors marching through my little city last night - and as they shouted "intifada intifada" I started wondering how long until they start blowing up buses here, too. They are violent there, and they look like they are about to get violent here, too. By any means necessary, right? By any means necessary? But we're not supposed to recognize what those words actually mean?

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Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.

How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money

Because they do need "their own" anything. They can choose to live as part of Israeli society like other Arabs in Israel do. Ok they may want "their own" this and that but Israel and the rest of us are not required to care. You can talk talk talk all the day long.

I am intrigued with your thinking that all Palestinians need to do to become Israeli citizens is choose to be them. Please elaborate.

It amazes me they think that makes Isrsel safer. It’s essentially calling for a one state solution as well.

Palestinians who lost their babies and mothers and fathers and spouses aren’t able to happily move on from that and move to Israel with a smile. Some would rather choose death than live among and work for Israelis. That is what keeps Israel safer? I would think such a move would make Israel less safe

Would Israelis want to live in a Palestinian state ran by Hamas? Of course not

You misunderstood sarcasm. Palestinians were never given an option to “integrate peacefully into the Israeli society”. So it’s stupid to reproach them for not doing it.

You might want to do some reading on why Jordan and Egypt hasn't given Palestinians living there the option to integrate into Jordanian or Egyptian society. Or maybe read up on how Palestinians pushed Lebanon into civil war. They keep proving over and over again that they are incapable of peacefully integrating into anyone's society.

Palestinians were never offered a path to Israeli citizenship. Whoever talks about peaceful integration into Israeli society is lying.

Oh yes, the people who want to destroy Israel and kill Jews - why haven't they been fully integrated into Israel? It's such a mystery!

Why do you think Egypt hasn't offered them Egyptian citizenship? Can you answer that question without somehow blaming Israel?

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Anonymous wrote:People hate the words genocide and colonialism, especially when it applys to their actions.

People hate it when you tie those words together like you think that explains history.

It's childishly simplistic thinking whose only purpose is to show us that you think colonialism and genocide are bad.

The definition of colonialism is complicated and depends on context.

No one is making an argument that we should have more genocide.

Please detail good colonialism.

It's kind of weird how the only "bad" colonialism is western colonialism. Never mind the brutal campaigns of conquest and subjugation that the Russians engaged in that took them all the way to the far reaches of the Pacific. Never mind the Soviet tactics of violent coups and destabilization, arming violent warlords and extremists all across Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, Southeast Asia. Never mind that they still continue this today with Wagner and other groups. Never mind that Iran has been funding and supporting groups to destabilize and attack in many countries, like the Houthis, Hezbollah, and others. That's ALSO colonialism. Weird that the entire fact of the spread of Islam in a swath spanning from Africa well into Asia including the Balkans and many other areas came about through violent conquest, subjugation, enslavement and colonization but somehow that's ignored. Never mind that many other countries like China are also as big as they are because of a legacy of violent conquest and colonialization. Never mind that ALL of those powers engaged in genocide. Just ignore all of history, the only evil powers are Israel and the US.

Look, friend - are you really this ignorant of history? Delusional? Or a deliberate liar? Regardless of which, none are a win for you.

DP. You bring a good point. I think what Palestinians are really upset about is that they never got the chance to be independent at all .

It went from Greeks to Romans to Arabs to Turks to Brits to Jews While everyone else became an independent state but Jews also had this problem of always being conquered and never really being a free independent state until recently .

How can Palestinians experience the same independence and safety that Israelis have? I’m not sure how to answer that.

Hamas has claimed they don’t mind recognizing Israel as their neighbor so long as Palestinians get their own independent state.

The problem is Israel won’t let Palestinians run their own independent state with their own military and control
Of their own airspace because they believe that they would take the opportunity to attack and they do have a point about that.

I don’t know what the solution is except for possible US or NATO controlled airspace and borders to cancel out strikes or attacks from both sides but if those entities get attacked then everyone would be forced into war .

The problem is Israel tested Palestinian semi independence with Gaza and Hamas used the opportunity to grow militarily (some Palestinians would say at with Israel’s encouragement and aiding and abetting ) so now Israel isn’t even considering anything but annexation and closing all negotiations regarding any sort of resemblance to Palestinian sovereignty

The problem also is Palestinians in the West Bank do not like Mahmoud Abbas and consider him a non entity, irrelevant, and a neutered president from a dying party. The younger generation supports Hamas . The neighboring Arab street also likes Hamas over Mahmoud Abbas. Egypt has hinted to the U.S. and to Israel that they do not want Abbas and the PA in charge of Gaza and they prefer to stick with Hamas -the devil they know. The West Bank supports Hamas more than Gaza does which is no doubt because they aren’t suffering as much casualties so are a further removed from the Hamas caused war.

Oh yes, those chants "intifada intifada," "from the river to the sea," and "no two state solution" def suggest that what these folks want is peace between neighbors.

If Hamas wanted a peaceful piece of land on which to build a prosperous and safe Palestinian society - guess what, that's what they had as recently as Oct 6.

Was the West Bank peaceful as recently as Oct 6? You forget that Hamas is for all Palestinians not just Gaza. An American citizen and journalist Shireen AbuAqleh, a Palestinian Christian, from NJ was shot point blank in the West Bank last year and IDF lied and said they didn’t do it then shot people at her funeral . This is just one of many incidents in the past 2 years

And your point that Gaza was safer pre-10/7 is what gave Hamas credibility and more popularity among Palestinians . Israel was stupid for cracking down on the “good” government and non-Hamas Palestinian territory and not cracking down on the Palestinians who actually wanted to kill them (Hamas). Hamas is so vast Israel can’t even find them at this point because they let them do their own thing and didn’t monitor Gaza at all in the way they did the West Bank arresting kids for supposedly throwing rocks at settlers when they should have been arresting Hamas.

If you know you have a terror group on your border, why would one let them grow and grow without interference? Is it the case that Israel doesn’t want or can’t do face to face combat with Hamas and arrest them because the tunnels are too intimidating and mysterious and unknown so the only way they can handle Gaza is by declaring war/throwing bombs everywhere and hoping Hamas is killed?

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Anonymous wrote:People hate the words genocide and colonialism, especially when it applys to their actions.

People hate it when you tie those words together like you think that explains history.

It's childishly simplistic thinking whose only purpose is to show us that you think colonialism and genocide are bad.

The definition of colonialism is complicated and depends on context.

No one is making an argument that we should have more genocide.

Please detail good colonialism.

It's kind of weird how the only "bad" colonialism is western colonialism. Never mind the brutal campaigns of conquest and subjugation that the Russians engaged in that took them all the way to the far reaches of the Pacific. Never mind the Soviet tactics of violent coups and destabilization, arming violent warlords and extremists all across Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, Southeast Asia. Never mind that they still continue this today with Wagner and other groups. Never mind that Iran has been funding and supporting groups to destabilize and attack in many countries, like the Houthis, Hezbollah, and others. That's ALSO colonialism. Weird that the entire fact of the spread of Islam in a swath spanning from Africa well into Asia including the Balkans and many other areas came about through violent conquest, subjugation, enslavement and colonization but somehow that's ignored. Never mind that many other countries like China are also as big as they are because of a legacy of violent conquest and colonialization. Never mind that ALL of those powers engaged in genocide. Just ignore all of history, the only evil powers are Israel and the US.

Look, friend - are you really this ignorant of history? Delusional? Or a deliberate liar? Regardless of which, none are a win for you.

DP. You bring a good point. I think what Palestinians are really upset about is that they never got the chance to be independent at all .

It went from Greeks to Romans to Arabs to Turks to Brits to Jews While everyone else became an independent state but Jews also had this problem of always being conquered and never really being a free independent state until recently .

How can Palestinians experience the same independence and safety that Israelis have? I’m not sure how to answer that.

Hamas has claimed they don’t mind recognizing Israel as their neighbor so long as Palestinians get their own independent state.

The problem is Israel won’t let Palestinians run their own independent state with their own military and control
Of their own airspace because they believe that they would take the opportunity to attack and they do have a point about that.

I don’t know what the solution is except for possible US or NATO controlled airspace and borders to cancel out strikes or attacks from both sides but if those entities get attacked then everyone would be forced into war .

The problem is Israel tested Palestinian semi independence with Gaza and Hamas used the opportunity to grow militarily (some Palestinians would say at with Israel’s encouragement and aiding and abetting ) so now Israel isn’t even considering anything but annexation and closing all negotiations regarding any sort of resemblance to Palestinian sovereignty

The problem also is Palestinians in the West Bank do not like Mahmoud Abbas and consider him a non entity, irrelevant, and a neutered president from a dying party. The younger generation supports Hamas . The neighboring Arab street also likes Hamas over Mahmoud Abbas. Egypt has hinted to the U.S. and to Israel that they do not want Abbas and the PA in charge of Gaza and they prefer to stick with Hamas -the devil they know. The West Bank supports Hamas more than Gaza does which is no doubt because they aren’t suffering as much casualties so are a further removed from the Hamas caused war.

Oh yes, those chants "intifada intifada," "from the river to the sea," and "no two state solution" def suggest that what these folks want is peace between neighbors.

If Hamas wanted a peaceful piece of land on which to build a prosperous and safe Palestinian society - guess what, that's what they had as recently as Oct 6.

Hasbara ministry has found this thread. Copy paste in full swing.

Sorry, but these are known, proven facts - none of your "Hasbara" blah blah needed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:People hate the words genocide and colonialism, especially when it applys to their actions.

People hate it when you tie those words together like you think that explains history.

It's childishly simplistic thinking whose only purpose is to show us that you think colonialism and genocide are bad.

The definition of colonialism is complicated and depends on context.

No one is making an argument that we should have more genocide.

Please detail good colonialism.

It's kind of weird how the only "bad" colonialism is western colonialism. Never mind the brutal campaigns of conquest and subjugation that the Russians engaged in that took them all the way to the far reaches of the Pacific. Never mind the Soviet tactics of violent coups and destabilization, arming violent warlords and extremists all across Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, Southeast Asia. Never mind that they still continue this today with Wagner and other groups. Never mind that Iran has been funding and supporting groups to destabilize and attack in many countries, like the Houthis, Hezbollah, and others. That's ALSO colonialism. Weird that the entire fact of the spread of Islam in a swath spanning from Africa well into Asia including the Balkans and many other areas came about through violent conquest, subjugation, enslavement and colonization but somehow that's ignored. Never mind that many other countries like China are also as big as they are because of a legacy of violent conquest and colonialization. Never mind that ALL of those powers engaged in genocide. Just ignore all of history, the only evil powers are Israel and the US.

Look, friend - are you really this ignorant of history? Delusional? Or a deliberate liar? Regardless of which, none are a win for you.

DP. You bring a good point. I think what Palestinians are really upset about is that they never got the chance to be independent at all .

It went from Greeks to Romans to Arabs to Turks to Brits to Jews While everyone else became an independent state but Jews also had this problem of always being conquered and never really being a free independent state until recently .

How can Palestinians experience the same independence and safety that Israelis have? I’m not sure how to answer that.

Hamas has claimed they don’t mind recognizing Israel as their neighbor so long as Palestinians get their own independent state.

The problem is Israel won’t let Palestinians run their own independent state with their own military and control
Of their own airspace because they believe that they would take the opportunity to attack and they do have a point about that.

I don’t know what the solution is except for possible US or NATO controlled airspace and borders to cancel out strikes or attacks from both sides but if those entities get attacked then everyone would be forced into war .

The problem is Israel tested Palestinian semi independence with Gaza and Hamas used the opportunity to grow militarily (some Palestinians would say at with Israel’s encouragement and aiding and abetting ) so now Israel isn’t even considering anything but annexation and closing all negotiations regarding any sort of resemblance to Palestinian sovereignty

The problem also is Palestinians in the West Bank do not like Mahmoud Abbas and consider him a non entity, irrelevant, and a neutered president from a dying party. The younger generation supports Hamas . The neighboring Arab street also likes Hamas over Mahmoud Abbas. Egypt has hinted to the U.S. and to Israel that they do not want Abbas and the PA in charge of Gaza and they prefer to stick with Hamas -the devil they know. The West Bank supports Hamas more than Gaza does which is no doubt because they aren’t suffering as much casualties so are a further removed from the Hamas caused war.

Oh yes, those chants "intifada intifada," "from the river to the sea," and "no two state solution" def suggest that what these folks want is peace between neighbors.

If Hamas wanted a peaceful piece of land on which to build a prosperous and safe Palestinian society - guess what, that's what they had as recently as Oct 6.

Was the West Bank peaceful as recently as Oct 6? You forget that Hamas is for all Palestinians not just Gaza. An American citizen and journalist Shireen AbuAqleh, a Palestinian Christian, from NJ was shot point blank in the West Bank last year and IDF lied and said they didn’t do it then shot people at her funeral . This is just one of many incidents in the past 2 years

And your point that Gaza was safer pre-10/7 is what gave Hamas credibility and more popularity among Palestinians . Israel was stupid for cracking down on the “good” government and non-Hamas Palestinian territory and not cracking down on the Palestinians who actually wanted to kill them (Hamas). Hamas is so vast Israel can’t even find them at this point because they let them do their own thing and didn’t monitor Gaza at all in the way they did the West Bank arresting kids for supposedly throwing rocks at settlers when they should have been arresting Hamas.

If you know you have a terror group on your border, why would one let them grow and grow without interference? Is it the case that Israel doesn’t want or can’t do face to face combat with Hamas and arrest them because the tunnels are too intimidating and mysterious and unknown so the only way they can handle Gaza is by declaring war/throwing bombs everywhere and hoping Hamas is killed?

DP... Why might these kinds of IDF incidents happen? Because Hamas routinely attacks people and neither the streets of Gaza or Israel are safe because of Palestinian extremists. You seem to want to act like it's all IDF, that it's evil Israel acting in a vacuum, like maybe the part of your brain was surgically extracted, that part which factually knows Hamas indiscriminately fired thousands of rockets at random Israeli civilian homes and businesses in the year prior to October 7th.

For the year prior to 10/7, Gaza WAS safer than it is now. Absolutely. Far fewer deaths, far less violence and destruction. That's an absolute fact, regardless of the killing of Shireen AbuAqleh or anything else. And, in the year prior to 10/7, Sderot and other towns in Israel were also safer than they are now. But again, WHAT HAPPENED to change that? Hamas WILLFULLY, KNOWINGLY AND DELIBERATELY traded that away at the expense of the killing of fellow Palestinians and the rest of the destruction that it brought. Hamas knowingly asked for this and knowingly put Palestinians at risk, and got many killed. No amount of your constant "yabut Israel" will change that.

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Anonymous wrote:People hate the words genocide and colonialism, especially when it applys to their actions.

People hate it when you tie those words together like you think that explains history.

It's childishly simplistic thinking whose only purpose is to show us that you think colonialism and genocide are bad.

The definition of colonialism is complicated and depends on context.

No one is making an argument that we should have more genocide.

Please detail good colonialism.

It's kind of weird how the only "bad" colonialism is western colonialism. Never mind the brutal campaigns of conquest and subjugation that the Russians engaged in that took them all the way to the far reaches of the Pacific. Never mind the Soviet tactics of violent coups and destabilization, arming violent warlords and extremists all across Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, Southeast Asia. Never mind that they still continue this today with Wagner and other groups. Never mind that Iran has been funding and supporting groups to destabilize and attack in many countries, like the Houthis, Hezbollah, and others. That's ALSO colonialism. Weird that the entire fact of the spread of Islam in a swath spanning from Africa well into Asia including the Balkans and many other areas came about through violent conquest, subjugation, enslavement and colonization but somehow that's ignored. Never mind that many other countries like China are also as big as they are because of a legacy of violent conquest and colonialization. Never mind that ALL of those powers engaged in genocide. Just ignore all of history, the only evil powers are Israel and the US.

Look, friend - are you really this ignorant of history? Delusional? Or a deliberate liar? Regardless of which, none are a win for you.

DP. You bring a good point. I think what Palestinians are really upset about is that they never got the chance to be independent at all .

It went from Greeks to Romans to Arabs to Turks to Brits to Jews While everyone else became an independent state but Jews also had this problem of always being conquered and never really being a free independent state until recently .

How can Palestinians experience the same independence and safety that Israelis have? I’m not sure how to answer that.

Hamas has claimed they don’t mind recognizing Israel as their neighbor so long as Palestinians get their own independent state.

The problem is Israel won’t let Palestinians run their own independent state with their own military and control
Of their own airspace because they believe that they would take the opportunity to attack and they do have a point about that.

I don’t know what the solution is except for possible US or NATO controlled airspace and borders to cancel out strikes or attacks from both sides but if those entities get attacked then everyone would be forced into war .

The problem is Israel tested Palestinian semi independence with Gaza and Hamas used the opportunity to grow militarily (some Palestinians would say at with Israel’s encouragement and aiding and abetting ) so now Israel isn’t even considering anything but annexation and closing all negotiations regarding any sort of resemblance to Palestinian sovereignty

The problem also is Palestinians in the West Bank do not like Mahmoud Abbas and consider him a non entity, irrelevant, and a neutered president from a dying party. The younger generation supports Hamas . The neighboring Arab street also likes Hamas over Mahmoud Abbas. Egypt has hinted to the U.S. and to Israel that they do not want Abbas and the PA in charge of Gaza and they prefer to stick with Hamas -the devil they know. The West Bank supports Hamas more than Gaza does which is no doubt because they aren’t suffering as much casualties so are a further removed from the Hamas caused war.

Oh yes, those chants "intifada intifada," "from the river to the sea," and "no two state solution" def suggest that what these folks want is peace between neighbors.

If Hamas wanted a peaceful piece of land on which to build a prosperous and safe Palestinian society - guess what, that's what they had as recently as Oct 6.

Hasbara ministry has found this thread. Copy paste in full swing.

Nope. Just a moderate Jew who dislikes Netanyahu, and has come to dislike the Palestinian cause even more. There were pro-Palestinian protestors marching through my little city last night - and as they shouted "intifada intifada" I started wondering how long until they start blowing up buses here, too. They are violent there, and they look like they are about to get violent here, too. By any means necessary, right? By any means necessary? But we're not supposed to recognize what those words actually mean?

DP. There's nothing they could do in your little city that would be remotely as horrific as the killing at the hands of Netanyahu and the fascist IDF. And you're not a "moderate Jew," but instead more than ready to demonize every Palestinian and justify the ongoing ethnic cleansing in Gaza. It must suck to know that your tribe turned into the Nazis of the 21st century.

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Interesting that Netanyahu's loss in the Supreme Court is front page news in the U.S in a way it definitely wouldn’t have been in September. This definitely isn’t getting him the global goodwill he was banking on.

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Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.

How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money

Because they do need "their own" anything. They can choose to live as part of Israeli society like other Arabs in Israel do. Ok they may want "their own" this and that but Israel and the rest of us are not required to care. You can talk talk talk all the day long.

I am intrigued with your thinking that all Palestinians need to do to become Israeli citizens is choose to be them. Please elaborate.

It amazes me they think that makes Isrsel safer. It’s essentially calling for a one state solution as well.

Palestinians who lost their babies and mothers and fathers and spouses aren’t able to happily move on from that and move to Israel with a smile. Some would rather choose death than live among and work for Israelis. That is what keeps Israel safer? I would think such a move would make Israel less safe

Would Israelis want to live in a Palestinian state ran by Hamas? Of course not

You misunderstood sarcasm. Palestinians were never given an option to “integrate peacefully into the Israeli society”. So it’s stupid to reproach them for not doing it.

You might want to do some reading on why Jordan and Egypt hasn't given Palestinians living there the option to integrate into Jordanian or Egyptian society. Or maybe read up on how Palestinians pushed Lebanon into civil war. They keep proving over and over again that they are incapable of peacefully integrating into anyone's society.

Palestinians were never offered a path to Israeli citizenship. Whoever talks about peaceful integration into Israeli society is lying.

Oh yes, the people who want to destroy Israel and kill Jews - why haven't they been fully integrated into Israel? It's such a mystery!

Why do you think Egypt hasn't offered them Egyptian citizenship? Can you answer that question without somehow blaming Israel?

Egypt hasn’t offered them Egyptian citizenship because it’s their position, like the 100+ countries who have attempted to secure a U.N. ceasefire resolution over the past few months (and dozens of other U.S. blocked resolutions over the past several decades), that their rightful place is their ancestral homeland that Israel continues to encroach upon.

Egypt believes, like many, many other countries, that to offer them citizenship is to absolve Israel of what should be its responsibility to resolve the ongoing, decades long conflict through concessions.

It sounds like you and several others here believe in the stereotype that Palestinians are all inherently and unavoidably disposed to behave a certain way. It’s sadly ironic that one group that has created an entire culture around battling others for stereotyping them is so content to stereotype other groups.

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Anonymous wrote:-If you disagree with IDF killing 22,000 people in retaliation for 1,000 = antisemite
-If you disagree with IDF bombing hopsitals = antisemite
-If you disagree with IDF indscriminate bombing = antisemite
-If you disagree with IDF bombing churches/mosques = antisemite
-If you disagree with IDF bombing schools = anitsemite
-If you disagree with IDF illegally using chemical weapons = antisemite
-If you disagree with IDF snipers shooting sheltering women in churches = antisemite
-If you disagree with IDF murdering surrendering hostages = antisemite
-If you disagree with Israel using collective punishment = antisemite
-If you disagree with IDF bombing refugee camps = antisemite
-If you disagree with IDF targeting ambulances and medical staff = antisemite
-If you disagree with IDF targeting journalists = antisemite
-If you disagree with IDF bombing places they instructed palestinians to evacute to = antisemite
-If you disagree with IDF murdering surrendering israeli hostages = antisemite
-If you believe everything on this list = antisemite

If you think everything on this list is true and therefore that means you think Jews are maniuplating the U.S. to prop up Israel, and if you think Israel should be wiped off the map and given the Palestinians, you are an anti Semite.

I do think everything on this list is true. I dont and have never thought the rest of what you said. I'll add it to the list though.

DP... you should start with the consideration that not everything on that list is true. Because it isn't. If you are incapable of considering anything other than the distorted narrative in your head then you have issues bigger than Israel.

Which are false?

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Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.

How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money

Because they do need "their own" anything. They can choose to live as part of Israeli society like other Arabs in Israel do. Ok they may want "their own" this and that but Israel and the rest of us are not required to care. You can talk talk talk all the day long.

I am intrigued with your thinking that all Palestinians need to do to become Israeli citizens is choose to be them. Please elaborate.

It amazes me they think that makes Isrsel safer. It’s essentially calling for a one state solution as well.

Palestinians who lost their babies and mothers and fathers and spouses aren’t able to happily move on from that and move to Israel with a smile. Some would rather choose death than live among and work for Israelis. That is what keeps Israel safer? I would think such a move would make Israel less safe

Would Israelis want to live in a Palestinian state ran by Hamas? Of course not

You misunderstood sarcasm. Palestinians were never given an option to “integrate peacefully into the Israeli society”. So it’s stupid to reproach them for not doing it.

You might want to do some reading on why Jordan and Egypt hasn't given Palestinians living there the option to integrate into Jordanian or Egyptian society. Or maybe read up on how Palestinians pushed Lebanon into civil war. They keep proving over and over again that they are incapable of peacefully integrating into anyone's society.

Palestinians were never offered a path to Israeli citizenship. Whoever talks about peaceful integration into Israeli society is lying.

Oh yes, the people who want to destroy Israel and kill Jews - why haven't they been fully integrated into Israel? It's such a mystery!

Why do you think Egypt hasn't offered them Egyptian citizenship? Can you answer that question without somehow blaming Israel?

I don't care about any of this. I just care about pointing out that the notion of "why don't Palestinians peacefully integrate into the Israeli society" is bullcrap.

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Anonymous wrote:People hate the words genocide and colonialism, especially when it applys to their actions.

People hate it when you tie those words together like you think that explains history.

It's childishly simplistic thinking whose only purpose is to show us that you think colonialism and genocide are bad.

The definition of colonialism is complicated and depends on context.

No one is making an argument that we should have more genocide.

Please detail good colonialism.

It's kind of weird how the only "bad" colonialism is western colonialism. Never mind the brutal campaigns of conquest and subjugation that the Russians engaged in that took them all the way to the far reaches of the Pacific. Never mind the Soviet tactics of violent coups and destabilization, arming violent warlords and extremists all across Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, Southeast Asia. Never mind that they still continue this today with Wagner and other groups. Never mind that Iran has been funding and supporting groups to destabilize and attack in many countries, like the Houthis, Hezbollah, and others. That's ALSO colonialism. Weird that the entire fact of the spread of Islam in a swath spanning from Africa well into Asia including the Balkans and many other areas came about through violent conquest, subjugation, enslavement and colonization but somehow that's ignored. Never mind that many other countries like China are also as big as they are because of a legacy of violent conquest and colonialization. Never mind that ALL of those powers engaged in genocide. Just ignore all of history, the only evil powers are Israel and the US.

Look, friend - are you really this ignorant of history? Delusional? Or a deliberate liar? Regardless of which, none are a win for you.

DP. You bring a good point. I think what Palestinians are really upset about is that they never got the chance to be independent at all .

It went from Greeks to Romans to Arabs to Turks to Brits to Jews While everyone else became an independent state but Jews also had this problem of always being conquered and never really being a free independent state until recently .

How can Palestinians experience the same independence and safety that Israelis have? I’m not sure how to answer that.

Hamas has claimed they don’t mind recognizing Israel as their neighbor so long as Palestinians get their own independent state.

The problem is Israel won’t let Palestinians run their own independent state with their own military and control
Of their own airspace because they believe that they would take the opportunity to attack and they do have a point about that.

I don’t know what the solution is except for possible US or NATO controlled airspace and borders to cancel out strikes or attacks from both sides but if those entities get attacked then everyone would be forced into war .

The problem is Israel tested Palestinian semi independence with Gaza and Hamas used the opportunity to grow militarily (some Palestinians would say at with Israel’s encouragement and aiding and abetting ) so now Israel isn’t even considering anything but annexation and closing all negotiations regarding any sort of resemblance to Palestinian sovereignty

The problem also is Palestinians in the West Bank do not like Mahmoud Abbas and consider him a non entity, irrelevant, and a neutered president from a dying party. The younger generation supports Hamas . The neighboring Arab street also likes Hamas over Mahmoud Abbas. Egypt has hinted to the U.S. and to Israel that they do not want Abbas and the PA in charge of Gaza and they prefer to stick with Hamas -the devil they know. The West Bank supports Hamas more than Gaza does which is no doubt because they aren’t suffering as much casualties so are a further removed from the Hamas caused war.

Oh yes, those chants "intifada intifada," "from the river to the sea," and "no two state solution" def suggest that what these folks want is peace between neighbors.

If Hamas wanted a peaceful piece of land on which to build a prosperous and safe Palestinian society - guess what, that's what they had as recently as Oct 6.

Hasbara ministry has found this thread. Copy paste in full swing.

Nope. Just a moderate Jew who dislikes Netanyahu, and has come to dislike the Palestinian cause even more. There were pro-Palestinian protestors marching through my little city last night - and as they shouted "intifada intifada" I started wondering how long until they start blowing up buses here, too. They are violent there, and they look like they are about to get violent here, too. By any means necessary, right? By any means necessary? But we're not supposed to recognize what those words actually mean?

You're a case study in Zionist fragility.

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Anonymous wrote:People hate the words genocide and colonialism, especially when it applys to their actions.

People hate it when you tie those words together like you think that explains history.

It's childishly simplistic thinking whose only purpose is to show us that you think colonialism and genocide are bad.

The definition of colonialism is complicated and depends on context.

No one is making an argument that we should have more genocide.

Please detail good colonialism.

It's kind of weird how the only "bad" colonialism is western colonialism. Never mind the brutal campaigns of conquest and subjugation that the Russians engaged in that took them all the way to the far reaches of the Pacific. Never mind the Soviet tactics of violent coups and destabilization, arming violent warlords and extremists all across Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, Southeast Asia. Never mind that they still continue this today with Wagner and other groups. Never mind that Iran has been funding and supporting groups to destabilize and attack in many countries, like the Houthis, Hezbollah, and others. That's ALSO colonialism. Weird that the entire fact of the spread of Islam in a swath spanning from Africa well into Asia including the Balkans and many other areas came about through violent conquest, subjugation, enslavement and colonization but somehow that's ignored. Never mind that many other countries like China are also as big as they are because of a legacy of violent conquest and colonialization. Never mind that ALL of those powers engaged in genocide. Just ignore all of history, the only evil powers are Israel and the US.

Look, friend - are you really this ignorant of history? Delusional? Or a deliberate liar? Regardless of which, none are a win for you.

DP. You bring a good point. I think what Palestinians are really upset about is that they never got the chance to be independent at all .

It went from Greeks to Romans to Arabs to Turks to Brits to Jews While everyone else became an independent state but Jews also had this problem of always being conquered and never really being a free independent state until recently .

How can Palestinians experience the same independence and safety that Israelis have? I’m not sure how to answer that.

Hamas has claimed they don’t mind recognizing Israel as their neighbor so long as Palestinians get their own independent state.

The problem is Israel won’t let Palestinians run their own independent state with their own military and control
Of their own airspace because they believe that they would take the opportunity to attack and they do have a point about that.

I don’t know what the solution is except for possible US or NATO controlled airspace and borders to cancel out strikes or attacks from both sides but if those entities get attacked then everyone would be forced into war .

The problem is Israel tested Palestinian semi independence with Gaza and Hamas used the opportunity to grow militarily (some Palestinians would say at with Israel’s encouragement and aiding and abetting ) so now Israel isn’t even considering anything but annexation and closing all negotiations regarding any sort of resemblance to Palestinian sovereignty

The problem also is Palestinians in the West Bank do not like Mahmoud Abbas and consider him a non entity, irrelevant, and a neutered president from a dying party. The younger generation supports Hamas . The neighboring Arab street also likes Hamas over Mahmoud Abbas. Egypt has hinted to the U.S. and to Israel that they do not want Abbas and the PA in charge of Gaza and they prefer to stick with Hamas -the devil they know. The West Bank supports Hamas more than Gaza does which is no doubt because they aren’t suffering as much casualties so are a further removed from the Hamas caused war.

Oh yes, those chants "intifada intifada," "from the river to the sea," and "no two state solution" def suggest that what these folks want is peace between neighbors.

If Hamas wanted a peaceful piece of land on which to build a prosperous and safe Palestinian society - guess what, that's what they had as recently as Oct 6.

Hasbara ministry has found this thread. Copy paste in full swing.

Nope. Just a moderate Jew who dislikes Netanyahu, and has come to dislike the Palestinian cause even more. There were pro-Palestinian protestors marching through my little city last night - and as they shouted "intifada intifada" I started wondering how long until they start blowing up buses here, too. They are violent there, and they look like they are about to get violent here, too. By any means necessary, right? By any means necessary? But we're not supposed to recognize what those words actually mean?

Tell us, o the fragile one: what is the appropriate response to settler violence that wouldn't send you cowering in the corner?

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Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.

How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money

Because they do need "their own" anything. They can choose to live as part of Israeli society like other Arabs in Israel do. Ok they may want "their own" this and that but Israel and the rest of us are not required to care. You can talk talk talk all the day long.

I am intrigued with your thinking that all Palestinians need to do to become Israeli citizens is choose to be them. Please elaborate.

It amazes me they think that makes Isrsel safer. It’s essentially calling for a one state solution as well.

Palestinians who lost their babies and mothers and fathers and spouses aren’t able to happily move on from that and move to Israel with a smile. Some would rather choose death than live among and work for Israelis. That is what keeps Israel safer? I would think such a move would make Israel less safe

Would Israelis want to live in a Palestinian state ran by Hamas? Of course not

You misunderstood sarcasm. Palestinians were never given an option to “integrate peacefully into the Israeli society”. So it’s stupid to reproach them for not doing it.

You might want to do some reading on why Jordan and Egypt hasn't given Palestinians living there the option to integrate into Jordanian or Egyptian society. Or maybe read up on how Palestinians pushed Lebanon into civil war. They keep proving over and over again that they are incapable of peacefully integrating into anyone's society.

Palestinians were never offered a path to Israeli citizenship. Whoever talks about peaceful integration into Israeli society is lying.

Oh yes, the people who want to destroy Israel and kill Jews - why haven't they been fully integrated into Israel? It's such a mystery!

Why do you think Egypt hasn't offered them Egyptian citizenship? Can you answer that question without somehow blaming Israel?

I don't care about any of this. I just care about pointing out that the notion of "why don't Palestinians peacefully integrate into the Israeli society" is bullcrap.

As has been pointed out, it's a function of Palestinians repeatedly shoving a stick into the spokes of their own bicycle and then wondering why they crashed and are lying bleeding on the sidewalk. This has played out for decades. They are their own worst enemies.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People hate the words genocide and colonialism, especially when it applys to their actions.

People hate it when you tie those words together like you think that explains history.

It's childishly simplistic thinking whose only purpose is to show us that you think colonialism and genocide are bad.

The definition of colonialism is complicated and depends on context.

No one is making an argument that we should have more genocide.

Please detail good colonialism.

It's kind of weird how the only "bad" colonialism is western colonialism. Never mind the brutal campaigns of conquest and subjugation that the Russians engaged in that took them all the way to the far reaches of the Pacific. Never mind the Soviet tactics of violent coups and destabilization, arming violent warlords and extremists all across Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, Southeast Asia. Never mind that they still continue this today with Wagner and other groups. Never mind that Iran has been funding and supporting groups to destabilize and attack in many countries, like the Houthis, Hezbollah, and others. That's ALSO colonialism. Weird that the entire fact of the spread of Islam in a swath spanning from Africa well into Asia including the Balkans and many other areas came about through violent conquest, subjugation, enslavement and colonization but somehow that's ignored. Never mind that many other countries like China are also as big as they are because of a legacy of violent conquest and colonialization. Never mind that ALL of those powers engaged in genocide. Just ignore all of history, the only evil powers are Israel and the US.

Look, friend - are you really this ignorant of history? Delusional? Or a deliberate liar? Regardless of which, none are a win for you.

DP. You bring a good point. I think what Palestinians are really upset about is that they never got the chance to be independent at all .

It went from Greeks to Romans to Arabs to Turks to Brits to Jews While everyone else became an independent state but Jews also had this problem of always being conquered and never really being a free independent state until recently .

How can Palestinians experience the same independence and safety that Israelis have? I’m not sure how to answer that.

Hamas has claimed they don’t mind recognizing Israel as their neighbor so long as Palestinians get their own independent state.

The problem is Israel won’t let Palestinians run their own independent state with their own military and control
Of their own airspace because they believe that they would take the opportunity to attack and they do have a point about that.

I don’t know what the solution is except for possible US or NATO controlled airspace and borders to cancel out strikes or attacks from both sides but if those entities get attacked then everyone would be forced into war .

The problem is Israel tested Palestinian semi independence with Gaza and Hamas used the opportunity to grow militarily (some Palestinians would say at with Israel’s encouragement and aiding and abetting ) so now Israel isn’t even considering anything but annexation and closing all negotiations regarding any sort of resemblance to Palestinian sovereignty

The problem also is Palestinians in the West Bank do not like Mahmoud Abbas and consider him a non entity, irrelevant, and a neutered president from a dying party. The younger generation supports Hamas . The neighboring Arab street also likes Hamas over Mahmoud Abbas. Egypt has hinted to the U.S. and to Israel that they do not want Abbas and the PA in charge of Gaza and they prefer to stick with Hamas -the devil they know. The West Bank supports Hamas more than Gaza does which is no doubt because they aren’t suffering as much casualties so are a further removed from the Hamas caused war.

Oh yes, those chants "intifada intifada," "from the river to the sea," and "no two state solution" def suggest that what these folks want is peace between neighbors.

If Hamas wanted a peaceful piece of land on which to build a prosperous and safe Palestinian society - guess what, that's what they had as recently as Oct 6.

Hasbara ministry has found this thread. Copy paste in full swing.

Nope. Just a moderate Jew who dislikes Netanyahu, and has come to dislike the Palestinian cause even more. There were pro-Palestinian protestors marching through my little city last night - and as they shouted "intifada intifada" I started wondering how long until they start blowing up buses here, too. They are violent there, and they look like they are about to get violent here, too. By any means necessary, right? By any means necessary? But we're not supposed to recognize what those words actually mean?

Tell us, o the fragile one: what is the appropriate response to settler violence that wouldn't send you cowering in the corner?

I'm not the poster you're talking to, but the answer would be to vote out Netanyahu and Likud. It wasn't always like this. Violent settlers should be jailed. And, Israel needs better planning and policies - because if they fix their system, there's actually enough room for everyone who wants it without needing to encroach on Palestinian communities.