Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is going to SCOTUS. Trump personally asked all his appointees to protect him, in whatever twisted innuendo he came up with. Trump will cause a constitutional crisis so long as he is alive.

I am not so sure SCOTUS will bend to Trump on this. The justices are secure from retaliation from Trump, the people they really listen to is FedSoc. However convenient it may have been in the past for FedSoc to align with Trump, they may have enough concerns about how the precedent Trump would have set here could be used against their interests later than they don’t pressure the justices to go Trump’s way on this.

I agree. Both the 11th Circuit and especially the GOP SCOTUS justices have different incentives than Cannon (and let's be clear, this is all about the personal interests of these Trump judges- they don't care one bit about the law). Cannon is running a pure careerist move. For her, if TFG or another MAGA is elected again, she will be rewarded for her loyalty with a promotion. If not, then she loses nothing and keeps her lifetime appointment. That incentive is much lower for a circuit judge and basically non-existent for a justice. Those folks are looking at the longer term interests of the conservative movement, and undermining the national security state by taking a wrecking ball to decades-long precedent about classified information and executive privilege is not good for that.

If I had a nickel for everyone who thought Alito, Thomas, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett had anything approximating a principled view of the law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is going to SCOTUS. Trump personally asked all his appointees to protect him, in whatever twisted innuendo he came up with. Trump will cause a constitutional crisis so long as he is alive.

There will be crises forever from now on.

Trump exposed the weaknesses in law enforcement, and then he exposed the weaknesses in the us constitution.

I agree. I have written this before; US has been operating on honor systems for many highly placed government position for all this while. One unethical person who has no shame and is charismatic enough to create a cult has broken the system.

We've definitely been operating on the honor system, but I'd argue that we've had unethical, shameless, and (somewhat) charismatic people before who have tried to break the system. Look no further than Nixon. Only this time around, Democrats didn't have the numbers in Congress and Republicans put party over country and were too cowardly to hold Trump accountable.

Someone used Nixon in the same sentence as charismatic. Will wonders never end?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is going to SCOTUS. Trump personally asked all his appointees to protect him, in whatever twisted innuendo he came up with. Trump will cause a constitutional crisis so long as he is alive.

I am not so sure SCOTUS will bend to Trump on this. The justices are secure from retaliation from Trump, the people they really listen to is FedSoc. However convenient it may have been in the past for FedSoc to align with Trump, they may have enough concerns about how the precedent Trump would have set here could be used against their interests later than they don’t pressure the justices to go Trump’s way on this.

I agree. Both the 11th Circuit and especially the GOP SCOTUS justices have different incentives than Cannon (and let's be clear, this is all about the personal interests of these Trump judges- they don't care one bit about the law). Cannon is running a pure careerist move. For her, if TFG or another MAGA is elected again, she will be rewarded for her loyalty with a promotion. If not, then she loses nothing and keeps her lifetime appointment. That incentive is much lower for a circuit judge and basically non-existent for a justice. Those folks are looking at the longer term interests of the conservative movement, and undermining the national security state by taking a wrecking ball to decades-long precedent about classified information and executive privilege is not good for that.

Lol the conservatives movement is trump. These judges have always put party and politics ahead of the precedent, the legal system or the nation. You fail to understand what these people believe. They believe only they should be in command and control of the country. If a democrat or anyone but a “true” conservatives is in control they would rather see the country burn.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This Trump judge is going to issue a broad PI that effectively stops the criminal investigation if FBI has not finished reviewing. She will then take lots of time to consider whether to appoint a special master and then will eventually appoint one. She’s setting that up here. Hope FBI is going overtime to get these docs reviewed.

The court would have to find jurisdiction, whether pursuant to the federal question statute or a discretionary anomalous jurisdiction wrt materials siezed pursuant to the warrant. The problem is that the documents do not belong to Trump, rather they are the property of the US Government acting through NARA by automatic operation of law in accordance with the Presidential Records Act. And any purported claim of “executive privilege” is a red herring insofar as it is the executive branch, specifically, DOJ acting on behalf of NARA, which has siezed the materials. It would be a different matter if it had been the J6C that had subpoenaed the materials. The issue of “declassification” is likewise a distraction to the extent that liability arising under the Espionage Act depends on whether the material relates to the defense of the US, not it’s classification status. Although it certainly raises other concerns among stakeholders such as CIA, DIA and NSA.

In short, it would be nearing the level of impeachable judicial bad faith were the court to find that Trump will suffer irreparable injury if NARA failed to return documents that should have no longer been in his possession post 1/20/2021, particularly when there will be substantial evidence of deception and obstruction mitigating against an award of any form of equitable relief. NARA as the lawful possessor of the siezed materials has release a compelling statement of its position in the form of the letter sent back in May and the suggestion apoears to be that boxes stored in a basement (and hidden in the closet of Trump’s office) were being removed and replaced by unidentified people with some frequency. There’s not much for a Special Master to do at this juncture. No doubt the taint team has completed its review

I will accept your apology.

[Anonymous]

Can Biden reclassify them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is going to SCOTUS. Trump personally asked all his appointees to protect him, in whatever twisted innuendo he came up with. Trump will cause a constitutional crisis so long as he is alive.

I am not so sure SCOTUS will bend to Trump on this. The justices are secure from retaliation from Trump, the people they really listen to is FedSoc. However convenient it may have been in the past for FedSoc to align with Trump, they may have enough concerns about how the precedent Trump would have set here could be used against their interests later than they don’t pressure the justices to go Trump’s way on this.

I agree. Both the 11th Circuit and especially the GOP SCOTUS justices have different incentives than Cannon (and let's be clear, this is all about the personal interests of these Trump judges- they don't care one bit about the law). Cannon is running a pure careerist move. For her, if TFG or another MAGA is elected again, she will be rewarded for her loyalty with a promotion. If not, then she loses nothing and keeps her lifetime appointment. That incentive is much lower for a circuit judge and basically non-existent for a justice. Those folks are looking at the longer term interests of the conservative movement, and undermining the national security state by taking a wrecking ball to decades-long precedent about classified information and executive privilege is not good for that.

Lol the conservatives movement is trump. These judges have always put party and politics ahead of the precedent, the legal system or the nation. You fail to understand what these people believe. They believe only they should be in command and control of the country. If a democrat or anyone but a “true” conservatives is in control they would rather see the country burn.

Oh, I definitely get that. All of them are going to make their decisions based on politics. The question is how the politics plays out. Are they going to go for the short term win of getting Trump off the hook by stopping the investigation at the cost of creating precedents that let other future defendants who steal or mishandle classified information do the same thing? Perhaps they will figure they can just ignore those precedents in the future when they become inconvenient.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can Biden reclassify them?

They are still classified. It isn’t a political or judicial process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is going to SCOTUS. Trump personally asked all his appointees to protect him, in whatever twisted innuendo he came up with. Trump will cause a constitutional crisis so long as he is alive.

I am not so sure SCOTUS will bend to Trump on this. The justices are secure from retaliation from Trump, the people they really listen to is FedSoc. However convenient it may have been in the past for FedSoc to align with Trump, they may have enough concerns about how the precedent Trump would have set here could be used against their interests later than they don’t pressure the justices to go Trump’s way on this.

I agree. Both the 11th Circuit and especially the GOP SCOTUS justices have different incentives than Cannon (and let's be clear, this is all about the personal interests of these Trump judges- they don't care one bit about the law). Cannon is running a pure careerist move. For her, if TFG or another MAGA is elected again, she will be rewarded for her loyalty with a promotion. If not, then she loses nothing and keeps her lifetime appointment. That incentive is much lower for a circuit judge and basically non-existent for a justice. Those folks are looking at the longer term interests of the conservative movement, and undermining the national security state by taking a wrecking ball to decades-long precedent about classified information and executive privilege is not good for that.

If I had a nickel for everyone who thought Alito, Thomas, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett had anything approximating a principled view of the law.

I never thought that any of Bush (41&43) appointments had any principles at all and I knew that all of Trump/McConnell picks are as unprincipled and dishonest as the two of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can Biden reclassify them?

The judge does not recognize the federal government as being able to classify documents. Threat is what she said. Only trump can do it.

Why trump does not start issuing pardons is very confusing. The conservatives judges would recognize these pardons as legal and it would stop all investigation of trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is going to SCOTUS. Trump personally asked all his appointees to protect him, in whatever twisted innuendo he came up with. Trump will cause a constitutional crisis so long as he is alive.

I am not so sure SCOTUS will bend to Trump on this. The justices are secure from retaliation from Trump, the people they really listen to is FedSoc. However convenient it may have been in the past for FedSoc to align with Trump, they may have enough concerns about how the precedent Trump would have set here could be used against their interests later than they don’t pressure the justices to go Trump’s way on this.

I agree. Both the 11th Circuit and especially the GOP SCOTUS justices have different incentives than Cannon (and let's be clear, this is all about the personal interests of these Trump judges- they don't care one bit about the law). Cannon is running a pure careerist move. For her, if TFG or another MAGA is elected again, she will be rewarded for her loyalty with a promotion. If not, then she loses nothing and keeps her lifetime appointment. That incentive is much lower for a circuit judge and basically non-existent for a justice. Those folks are looking at the longer term interests of the conservative movement, and undermining the national security state by taking a wrecking ball to decades-long precedent about classified information and executive privilege is not good for that.

Lol the conservatives movement is trump. These judges have always put party and politics ahead of the precedent, the legal system or the nation. You fail to understand what these people believe. They believe only they should be in command and control of the country. If a democrat or anyone but a “true” conservatives is in control they would rather see the country burn.

Oh, I definitely get that. All of them are going to make their decisions based on politics. The question is how the politics plays out. Are they going to go for the short term win of getting Trump off the hook by stopping the investigation at the cost of creating precedents that let other future defendants who steal or mishandle classified information do the same thing? Perhaps they will figure they can just ignore those precedents in the future when they become inconvenient.

They have already done that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is going to SCOTUS. Trump personally asked all his appointees to protect him, in whatever twisted innuendo he came up with. Trump will cause a constitutional crisis so long as he is alive.

I am not so sure SCOTUS will bend to Trump on this. The justices are secure from retaliation from Trump, the people they really listen to is FedSoc. However convenient it may have been in the past for FedSoc to align with Trump, they may have enough concerns about how the precedent Trump would have set here could be used against their interests later than they don’t pressure the justices to go Trump’s way on this.

I agree. Both the 11th Circuit and especially the GOP SCOTUS justices have different incentives than Cannon (and let's be clear, this is all about the personal interests of these Trump judges- they don't care one bit about the law). Cannon is running a pure careerist move. For her, if TFG or another MAGA is elected again, she will be rewarded for her loyalty with a promotion. If not, then she loses nothing and keeps her lifetime appointment. That incentive is much lower for a circuit judge and basically non-existent for a justice. Those folks are looking at the longer term interests of the conservative movement, and undermining the national security state by taking a wrecking ball to decades-long precedent about classified information and executive privilege is not good for that.

If I had a nickel for everyone who thought Alito, Thomas, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett had anything approximating a principled view of the law.

+1
There is no honor among Republicans. They are like fundamentalist Mormons or orthodox Jewish people - they’re willing to lie in service to their beliefs, to “bleed the beast.” They. do. not. care.

[Anonymous]

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Biden did reclassify them already!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is going to SCOTUS. Trump personally asked all his appointees to protect him, in whatever twisted innuendo he came up with. Trump will cause a constitutional crisis so long as he is alive.

There will be crises forever from now on.

Trump exposed the weaknesses in law enforcement, and then he exposed the weaknesses in the us constitution.

I agree. I have written this before; US has been operating on honor systems for many highly placed government position for all this while. One unethical person who has no shame and is charismatic enough to create a cult has broken the system.

We've definitely been operating on the honor system, but I'd argue that we've had unethical, shameless, and (somewhat) charismatic people before who have tried to break the system. Look no further than Nixon. Only this time around, Democrats didn't have the numbers in Congress and Republicans put party over country and were too cowardly to hold Trump accountable.

I think we expected, and the Founders expected, our politicians to be men of good character. But they didn't put any safeguards in. The culture of good men in Govt died, when, Nixion era? Except Obama. He is a truly good person all around. IMHO

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can Biden reclassify them?

The judge does not recognize the federal government as being able to classify documents. Threat is what she said. Only trump can do it.

Why trump does not start issuing pardons is very confusing. The conservatives judges would recognize these pardons as legal and it would stop all investigation of trump.

Who's going to file a FOIA request for the MAL documents now that we know they're not really classified?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is going to SCOTUS. Trump personally asked all his appointees to protect him, in whatever twisted innuendo he came up with. Trump will cause a constitutional crisis so long as he is alive.

There will be crises forever from now on.

Trump exposed the weaknesses in law enforcement, and then he exposed the weaknesses in the us constitution.

I agree. I have written this before; US has been operating on honor systems for many highly placed government position for all this while. One unethical person who has no shame and is charismatic enough to create a cult has broken the system.

We've definitely been operating on the honor system, but I'd argue that we've had unethical, shameless, and (somewhat) charismatic people before who have tried to break the system. Look no further than Nixon. Only this time around, Democrats didn't have the numbers in Congress and Republicans put party over country and were too cowardly to hold Trump accountable.

Someone used Nixon in the same sentence as charismatic. Will wonders never end?

That's why I caveated it with "somewhat." Sure, he wasn't a heartthrob like JFK, and he didn't have the oratory skills of Obama, but he won reelection with 60 percent of the vote and won the electoral college 520-17. That's nuts, and you don't bumble your way in to that kind of electoral success.