Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.
How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money
The 1993 Oslo Accords provided for a land corridor between Gaza and the West Bank. The 1937 Peel Commission offered a contiguous Arab state that was three times bigger than a proposed Jewish state. And then there was the 1947 UN Partition, which provided for a perfectly viable state
Palestinians said no all of it.
There is an airport in Gaza. They just can't use it for obvious reasons. Palestinians in Gaza chose Hamas for their leadership in 2005. Obviously, when you choose Islamic extremists you don't get access to airports and ports. ISIS doesn't have a working airport either.
There have been billions and billions of dollars allocated to building infrastructure - including water and electricity - in Gaza. Nothing was built. Palestinians in Gaza have been perfectly content to rely on Israel for their water and electricity. Instead of building a power plant, they built 300 km of very expensive tunnels. As well as finance the extravagant lifestyles of the Hamas leadership.
The only thing that has stopped Palestinians from building a healthy, prosperous society is the choices they themselves have made.They could have had a beautiful, contiguous state for 80 years now that stretched from the border with Lebanon, along the Mediterranean coast, and all the way down to the Negev.
Instead, the terror attacks on 10/7 happened, and we are where we are. There will not be a Palestinian state in anyone's lifetime.
Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.
How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money
Because they do need "their own" anything. They can choose to live as part of Israeli society like other Arabs in Israel do. Ok they may want "their own" this and that but Israel and the rest of us are not required to care. You can talk talk talk all the day long.
I am intrigued with your thinking that all Palestinians need to do to become Israeli citizens is choose to be them. Please elaborate.
Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.
How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money
Well, they seem to have the money and capability to fire thousands of rockets into central Israel (just celebrated NYE by firing tons of rockets). If there's a will, there's a way!
Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.
How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money
Well, they seem to have the money and capability to fire thousands of rockets into central Israel (just celebrated NYE by firing tons of rockets). If there's a will, there's a way!
Twenty thousand dead, Gaza made unlivable by bombing and they STILL haven’t destroyed Hamas. IDF is either incompetent or not even trying.
Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.
How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money
Well, they seem to have the money and capability to fire thousands of rockets into central Israel (just celebrated NYE by firing tons of rockets). If there's a will, there's a way!
Twenty thousand dead, Gaza made unlivable by bombing and they STILL haven’t destroyed Hamas. IDF is either incompetent or not even trying.
What shall we do with this musing of your, expert war strategy analysis? Really, what is your command for our next step. Then we can say yes or no.
Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.
How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money
Well, they seem to have the money and capability to fire thousands of rockets into central Israel (just celebrated NYE by firing tons of rockets). If there's a will, there's a way!
Twenty thousand dead, Gaza made unlivable by bombing and they STILL haven’t destroyed Hamas. IDF is either incompetent or not even trying.
What shall we do with this musing of your, expert war strategy analysis? Really, what is your command for our next step. Then we can say yes or no.
Your reaction doesn’t really enter my thought process so I don’t care what you do with it.
Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.
How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money
Well, they seem to have the money and capability to fire thousands of rockets into central Israel (just celebrated NYE by firing tons of rockets). If there's a will, there's a way!
Twenty thousand dead, Gaza made unlivable by bombing and they STILL haven’t destroyed Hamas. IDF is either incompetent or not even trying.
What shall we do with this musing of your, expert war strategy analysis? Really, what is your command for our next step. Then we can say yes or no.
Your reaction doesn’t really enter my thought process so I don’t care what you do with it.
Anonymous wrote:The victim mentality is really beyond what I even imagined.
Literally murdering thousands of kids and still screaming “everyone hates us for no reason!!”
It’s certifiable
It is certifiable that so many people hate Israelis and Jews, no?
It that every Jew is responsible for what Israeli policy is. Must mean every Muslim is pro Hamas / pro terrorist.
This is a good point. "If you don't support Hamas and believe everything it says unconditionally, you must be an Islamophobe who wants to genocide all Muslims" makes as much sense as "If you don't support Israel and believe everything it says unconditionally, you must be an antisemite who wants to genocide all Jews."
I suspect the previous poster(s) understands this, but they're backed into a corner and can only spew a smokescreen of insults. Which is a very dishonest practice.
DP
Everyone here is 100.00% anti-Hamas. What about that fact don't you get? Stop trying to gin up a defense for what Israel is doing by arguing that those opposed to those actions are supportive of Hamas. It's pathetic. Even you can do better.
Perhaps my post wasn't sufficiently clear? Of course everyone here is anti-Hamas and, more specifically, opposes its actions on 10/7. I was making a comparison between absurd conclusions. Nobody believes that opposing Hamas means you're a genocidal Islamophobe who hates Muslims. Similarly, nobody believes that opposing Israel means you're a genocidal antisemite who hates Jews. Well, almost nobody in both cases. Some people are deliberately obtuse or deceitful or too fanatical to think straight, and my post was aimed at these folk. I don't support either statement, which is ... kind of why I put them both in quotes.
That's objectively false. Can't be anti-Hamas and yet be their direct mouthpiece repeating their false claims and conspiracy theories.
Which I have done ... where, exactly? Another straw man. Sorry, but this is getting very boring.
Don't know if it was you or who, as posts are anonymous, but I'm definitely not the only one here who keeps seeing Hamas propaganda and false talking points popping up over and over again.
Which makes your role here what...? A confused person who doesn't know what's going on? Someone who is naive and lacks critical thinking skills? Clearly not, since you are also hyperfocused on rhetorical devices, like "ad hominem" and "strawman" which tells me you are here specifically to argue. Yet if that's the case, then why are you ignoring the instances where Hamas talking points are being used? Perhaps you overestimate the notion of plausible deniability?
The PP keeps throwing around the terms “ad hominem” and “strawman” as an attempt to discredit the detailed NYT reporting. She’s using those terms (incorrectly but whatever) to distract from the objectively horrific and meticulously detailed description of the vicious sexual torture used by Hamas on 10/7. If she can get people to mentally associate that detailed reporting with cheap rhetorical devices, it helps her cause. It’s a classic propagandist move, albeit an easily identifiable one. She’s a propagandist, just not a very skilled one.
DP
The NY Times account is horrifying. It would be impossible to look into the eyes of those parents and not feel tremendous sadness for them (and for the world, frankly, since what happened to their daughter is just horrific for our shared sense of humanity).
I can't take the position that I'm sure the reporting is not true, but there is something about this reporting that doesn't seem to make much sense. I don't think I have ever come across reporting related to severe trauma (and this reported trauma is probably as severe as one can imagine) where the eyewitness accounts are even 10% as vivid and detailed as the ones featured in the Times. I'm not prepared to call anyone involved a liar, but I would just gently point out that shock and trauma, at least in my experience, just does not lend itself to a very vivid and detailed memory of the events in question - for most people, anyway.
You just did call everyone involved a liar.
I look forward to watching you say the same thing about the NYT’s meticulous reporting about the child deaths in Gaza and how those babies were killed and what their parents said they saw when their kids died in front of them. Are those parents, with their horrific details of watching their children bleed out and die in front them, also lying? Please do go on and tell me how the Palestinian parents who watched their children die in front of them are also lying.
DP. There is a mix of lies and truths. Yes, some Palestinian children have died, but there are also lies about how many died (such as the grossly exaggerated death count from Baptist Hospital). There are also lies about whose hands they died at. Yes, IDF killed some, but Hamas is also killing Palestinians, like when Hamas was trying to steal humanitarian aid for themselves rather than distribute it and they shot and killed hungry Palestinians who complained about it. Or when Hamas was trying to stop people from trying to evacuate. Or when civilians died because they were placed in harm's way by Hamas as human shields, or were killed because their home or shelter collapsed into Hamas tunnels when Hamas complexes were bombed.
Sure, but that’s not the point. The PP who is saying that the detailed eyewitness accounts of sexual torture must be lies because the shock and trauma should have prevented the creation of vivid and detailed memories of that torture needs to also then come out and say that the Palestinian parents who described watching their child bleed out in front of them in vivid detail are also lying because that level of shock and trauma should have prevented those parents from forming those memories. If she’s taking the position that the stories of sexual torture can’t be true because of “shock and trauma” then she needs to be consistent in how that theory is applied. Unless, of course, she’s taking the position that only Jewish women have this peculiar inability to remember unspeakable horrors, which is what I suspect she’s really getting at.
In any case, I look forward to reading her statements that the Palestinian parents who described the horrific and slow deaths of their dying children in front of their own eyes are also lying when they describe those deaths in excruciating and awful detail.
Exactly how mental are you???
The person used these exact words “I can't take the position that I'm sure the reporting is not true, but there is something about this reporting that doesn't seem to make much sense.“ and “ I'm not prepared to call anyone involved a liar, but I would just gently point out that shock and trauma, at least in my experience, just does not lend itself to a very vivid and detailed memory of the events in question - for most people, anyway.”
And from those two statements you walked away with an argument that the accounts “must be lies”? Must be lies? Are you literally deranged?
Right on. Carefully qualified statements from one poster. Complete misrepresentation of her position from the other.
Repeated misrepresentation. Brazenly going so far as to quote the actual words multiple times and, what, I guess hope that their shitty Jedi mind trick would prevent people from actually reading the goddamned words? The words couldn’t be more clear in establishing that the poster was NOT stating that the reporting MUST be based on lies, but I’m sure we’ll now hear from the “word salad” specialist and the “I’ll tell you what you REALLY mean!” thought crime experts to straighten all of this out. The “what do you want to do about your feelings?” poster from Ukraine or Poland or wherever is already on duty.
This is insane. The pro-Zionism part of this equation is absolutely, clinically deranged. And it should be lost on no one that this is an outcome that is perfectly acceptable to them. Show your deranged true colors, get people to throw their hands up and give up, and get the desired result of stopping the exchange of ideas that threatens to topple the status quo.
Absolutely disgusting human beings. And yes, I mean every last person who lies like these lunatics in furtherance of their desperate defense of Zionism. Still love anyone else Jewish or otherwise who recognizes the toxic insanity of Zionism.
you can present your ideas over and over, but people can still say "well, no thanks" over and over. Some might be ok with status quo. You are frustrating yourself by making changing the status quo a good or evil thing.
Feeling person, we get it.
I want a cessation of violence on both sides, consequences for parties that have previously engaged in violence, and a good faith plan to establish a two-state plan that guarantees the rights of Israelis and Palestinians to live in peace, which will require compromise from both sides. And I want any further aid to the region conditioned upon the successful achievement of these goals. As far as I’m concerned, if Israel and the Palestinians can get across the finish lines, I’m supportive of INCREASING aid to both groups for a certain timeframe to position both states for long term success. I’d love to see them both flourish without the constant conflict, which both sides have earnestly contributed to.
That’s what I want. Is that clear enough for you?
Do you want Hamas gone? Because you didn’t mention that.
Yeah, of course Hamas being dismantled and being brought to justice is a necessity.
That’s why “consequences for parties that have previously engaged in violence” was the second aim. Hamas is one such party, but there are also others. Other militant groups on the Palestinian side, the militant settlers and certain Likud officials on the Israeli side, and any IDF personnel who have engaged in conduct that violates the law of armed conflict.
All of the above should be brought to swift and unrelenting justice as part of that second aim.
If you want every wrong thing in the world addressed, what about goings on in Saudi Arabia? Syria? Belarus? South Africa? Indonesia? Why are you soooo focused on Israel?
Because the only 75+ year refugee group involved in any of those countries is in Israel. Because the U.S. provides more financial aid and U.N. interference for Israel than any of those countries. And because there is no end in sight to this conflict.
Why are you soooo focused on ensuring the status quo on Israel?
Palestinians shouldn't be considered refugees.
There isn't wrong with the U.S. providing aid to Israel. Palestinian's not liking it is not a problem. Palestinians are not our gods, we don't have to check every decision with them.
Status quo doesn't have to be changed.
You make things imperatives that actually are not.
“Status quo doesn’t have to be changed”.
Not PP but of course not. However, how well has status quo worked so far? To me the escalating violence back and forth is unsustainable.
It isn't a back and forth however. Palestinians are not happy that they are not getting what they want. We don't always get what we want and doesn't require a change of the status quo. They can keep on fighting for the next 200 years and keep on being pushed back, getting nothing, if they so desire. Life choices, we all make them.
This is a very callous take on the aspirations of millions of people who have been ethnically cleansed. I remember white South Africans saying the same about people of color -- their coldness, their absolute belief in their own racial superiority, their smugness. Whites had all the power for years, but you can't repress people indefinitely. The arc of the world is toward equality.
Who has talked about racial superiority? You are turning a land battle into a bunch of things thst is not. You want a piece of land for you and your family, can't have it, and are calling people racist for it.
The “I’m not even Jewish” and “your feelings are not even real things so what do you want us to do about it?” person, whose entire schtick involves shrugging off other posts now hundreds of times with a blasé defense of the status quo, reporting for 24/7 duty.
Doing their noble part to ensure that no progress is made in this never ending conflict because the status quo is their primary aim, followed by further land grabs for Israel. So if everyone who is reasonable and civilized and capable of compassion can just shut the F up and allow this person to go to sleep after 12 straight weeks of spirited defense of racism, state-sponsored Zionist terrorism and apartheid statecraft, that would be kindly appreciated. /s
What are your feelings on Islamic terrorism?
Loathe all forms of terrorism (including state-sponsored and settler driven) and believe all such forms should be eradicated.
It’s interesting though that you can go on very long, very specific tirades about Zionism, but when asked about Islamic terrorism you do not mention it by name nor can you speak about without bringing it back to Israel. Very telling.
It’s kept short because to me, it’s an obvious position. Of course I’m loathesome toward and unwilling to support or abide by Islamic terrorism. I think nearly everyone has that view.
Why I find it necessary to spend more time denouncing Israeli actions that amount to state-sponsored terrorism is because scumbags like you deny those actions even constitute terrorism, and try (feebly, thank god) to dissuade others from reading and learning about it. Because you desperately want to preserve and expand upon the status quo.
And while the emotional part of me understands the arguably defensible part of that motivation in your mind (supposed personal fears of existential threat to Jews), the rational part of me knows it’s just a miserable “I’m on top now, and ain’t nothing taking me off this high” oppressor’s dream come true for you, and one you won’t sit idly by while others seek to encourage peace amongst the regional players.
You WANT Israeli dominance. You WANT to see Israel crush anyone that tries to hold it accountable.
Not my problem. I take almost unimaginable satisfaction in knowing that peace with find its way to that region, with or without Israel’s cooperation. That train sings being stopped, darlin’. I hope it’s with Israel’s cooperation because it will come sooner and lying Islamophobic racists like you will be pelted with “I told you so” glances by frustrated global citizens who have been calling for it for years. But it will come one way or another.
So again in discussing Islamic terrorism, you have to talk about Jews and Israel. You wrote 2 sentences about how you loathe Islamic terrorism vs multiple paragraphs about Jews, Israel, Islamophobes, etc. I literally asked you “what are your feelings about Islamic terrorism?” and from that you accused me of wanting world dominance and Islamophobia. You are unhinged.
First of all, you should have no expectation that you can dictate what I discuss. Your directions fall on my deaf ears.
As a courtesy, I replied to the question. I was clear and direct. I don’t spend time discussing my opposition to Islamist terrorism because it’s unequivocal, nearly everyone agrees it should be absolute position taken by all, and I’ve seen literally nobody here defend it. There’s nothing further to say.
HOWEVER, scumbags like you defend, fight tooth-and-nail, and resort to literally every dirty trick in the book to sidetrack and disable any scrutiny of Israel’s actions. You are the problem. You are deranged. And again, to my great satisfaction, you are not my problem to deal with. You’re just a miserable, racist human being who defends state-sponsored terrorism.
Yet you spend paragraphs attacking Israel who is currently fighting a war on Islamist terrorism.
I hope you see why that it makes your denouncement of Islamist terrorism ring rather hollow when you spend so much time attacking Israel for fighting against such terror. One would think someone who so clearly opposes Islamist terrorism to support those fighting against it, otherwise one has to believe you either do support such terror, or have found yourself sucked so deep down the pro-Hamas misinformation rabbit hole that you have convinced yourself that supporting their “cause” is detached from supporting their Islamist terrorism. I do hope that it is the latter and one day you can find the truth and stand tall next to your Jewish brethren and neighbors in defense of the State of Israel.
I think you’re misunderstanding the fact that there can be two wrongs in a given conflict.
Without getting into a debate as to the “who started it first” question, it’s clear as day that (1) Islamist terrorism committed by Hamas and others is abhorrent and IS NOT a defensible way to accomplish any goals and (2) Israel, insofar as its actions for the past 76 years have been led by Zionists, HAS repeatedly engaged in conduct (both provoked and non-provoked) that likewise constitutes abhorrent, indefensible terrorism. The latter also constitutes flagrant violations of actual international law because Israel is and should be held to a higher standard as a nation state deserving of full recognition by all other countries.
Both parties ARE in the wrong. This isn’t “whatsboutism”. It’s reality.
The fact you believe that Israel is anywhere near as disgusting and brutal as Hamas is absolutely absurd.
Has Israel made mistakes? Has there been some unfortunate civilian casualties? Yes, and is Jews have been as hard as anyone on them for these tragic failures. But this is war and there is no way to guarantee zero civilian casualties in a war, especially when defending against the brutal genocide of the Jewish people that is the goal of Hamas.
But to even compare these limited mistakes to the brutality and inhumanity of Hamas, as demonstrated on October 7th, is ignoring reality.
Everything demanded of those not already drooling at Bibi’s feet has been provided for your convenience.
- Hamas denounced, check.
- All other Islamist terrorist groups in the region denounced, check.
- Terrorism as a tool to achieve political aims denounced, check.
- Israel’s right to exist as a modern day state acknowledged, check.
The third one doesn’t really sit well with me since terrorism was utilized by Zionists to force creation of the State of Israel, but I guess I’ll overlook that fact.
However, you are unreasonable for also demanding that people blindly subscribe to your belief that Israel’s historical misdeeds all amount to “mistakes”. Or demanding that others view settler terrorism or IDF indifference to human life as less disgusting and brutal than the actions of Hamas or any terrorist organization.
An unfortunate mistake doesn’t begin to tell the story of Zionism in that desert. Israel’s role in this conflict is far more than “victim”, though I guess I can understand why some feel that way since that’s the only card Zionists know how to play effectively.
You claim to support Israel’s right to exist, however you blatantly refuse to acknowledge Israel’s right to defend itself and refuse to clearly support their current humanitarian mission in Gaza. Period. Until you can bring yourself to support Israel, you will be considered a Hamas supporter, and treated as such.
It’s disgusting of you to label Israel’s actions in Gaza as a “humanitarian mission”. Go ahead and distort the fact of the IDF’s callous disregard for human life by calling it self-defense or a consequence of war, but calling it humanitarian just renders you a liar and a monster.
Is it not a humanitarian mission to remove Hamas from power in Gaza? The Islamic terrorist organization that has taken millions of dollars worth of humanitarian aid meant to build its infrastructure and provide food, water, schooling, and other necessities for the Palestinian people, and instead spent it on weapons to kill Jewish people and start wars with Israel?
I see a lot of Hamas supporters talking about the innocent Palestinians, yet if they actually cared about the Palestinian people they would fully support Israel and hope Israel’s current mission to remove Hamas is swift and effective, not calling for a ceasefire to let Hamas restock their missiles and plan more October 6th.
Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.
How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money
Well, they seem to have the money and capability to fire thousands of rockets into central Israel (just celebrated NYE by firing tons of rockets). If there's a will, there's a way!
Twenty thousand dead, Gaza made unlivable by bombing and they STILL haven’t destroyed Hamas. IDF is either incompetent or not even trying.
What shall we do with this musing of your, expert war strategy analysis? Really, what is your command for our next step. Then we can say yes or no.
Your reaction doesn’t really enter my thought process so I don’t care what you do with it.
you do care what we think, because you are telling us this information. So, why are you telling us all of this?
At the stroke of midnight, Hamas launched yet another barrage of rockets at civilian targets in Israel. That's what Palestinians in Gaza prioritize. Not electricity. Not water. Not food. Certainly not peace. Attacking civilian targets in Israel with rockets on New Years Eve.
Anonymous wrote:-If you disagree with IDF killing 22,000 people in retaliation for 1,000 = antisemite
-If you disagree with IDF bombing hopsitals = antisemite
-If you disagree with IDF indscriminate bombing = antisemite
-If you disagree with IDF bombing churches/mosques = antisemite
-If you disagree with IDF bombing schools = anitsemite
-If you disagree with IDF illegally using chemical weapons = antisemite
-If you disagree with IDF snipers shooting sheltering women in churches = antisemite
-If you disagree with IDF murdering surrendering hostages = antisemite
-If you disagree with Israel using collective punishment = antisemite
-If you disagree with IDF bombing refugee camps = antisemite
-If you disagree with IDF targeting ambulances and medical staff = antisemite
-If you disagree with IDF targeting journalists = antisemite
-If you disagree with IDF bombing places they instructed palestinians to evacute to = antisemite
-If you disagree with IDF murdering surrendering israeli hostages = antisemite
-If you believe everything on this list = antisemite
If you think everything on this list is true and therefore that means you think Jews are maniuplating the U.S. to prop up Israel, and if you think Israel should be wiped off the map and given the Palestinians, you are an anti Semite.
I do think everything on this list is true. I dont and have never thought the rest of what you said. I'll add it to the list though.
DP... you should start with the consideration that not everything on that list is true. Because it isn't. If you are incapable of considering anything other than the distorted narrative in your head then you have issues bigger than Israel.
Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.
How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money
Well, they seem to have the money and capability to fire thousands of rockets into central Israel (just celebrated NYE by firing tons of rockets). If there's a will, there's a way!
Twenty thousand dead, Gaza made unlivable by bombing and they STILL haven’t destroyed Hamas. IDF is either incompetent or not even trying.
Oh they are trying, trying to exterminate Palestinian civilians. Blood thirsty and trigger happy those idf.
Anonymous wrote:I have never heard a group of people talk about another people so much as Palestinians talk about Jews. All day, it is Jews this Jews that. Just talk talk talk. Try building a socieity, contributing to civic matters instead.
How can they build a society ? Their land doesn’t even connect, they don’t have their own currency, water rights, military,don’t have an airport? They can’t build their own economy when they have to pay Israel for water and electric and use Israeli money
Well, they seem to have the money and capability to fire thousands of rockets into central Israel (just celebrated NYE by firing tons of rockets). If there's a will, there's a way!
Twenty thousand dead, Gaza made unlivable by bombing and they STILL haven’t destroyed Hamas. IDF is either incompetent or not even trying.
Oh they are trying, trying to exterminate Palestinian civilians. Blood thirsty and trigger happy those idf.
None of that would be happening were it not for the blood thirsty actions of Hamas on October 7th. STFU and acknowledge it because you know it's true.
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