Lively/Baldoni Lawsuit Part 2

[Anonymous]

Why does it even matter? Justin doesn’t have articles about his career being over all over the internet at the moment. Time will tell who will and will not work again.

[Anonymous]

These videos. Scroll into the article. Blake is so done. She actually looks like the harasser not the victim. He keeps his hands firmly and stiffly away from her as far as possible. He looks very uncomfortable.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-15705517/blake-lively-grateful-judge-sexual-harassment-claims-justin-baldoni.html

Interesting because she claimed sexual harassment and she is the one who refused an intimacy coordinator on set and it looks like he is the one who needed one. I don’t know who will win this case legally but as far as public perception, Blake’s reputation is so screwed. Her main problem is that even outside of this situation, she is just not likable. She’s a nepo baby who has bullied women interviewers & journalists, tried to shut down the voices of female podcasters. Now she’s trying to spin it as if she is some kind of victim’s advocate but is just looks worse because nothing about her screams “victim”. She’s is so smug privileged and connected. That was always her persona.

The casual person doesn’t care if WME/Endeavor or Hollywood institutions/celebs back her. We expect them to, she’s part of the powerful insular complex. She’s one of them, they protect their own but they won’t invest millions in her again. In contrast, Justin is the little guy who happened to spend his every dime buying the rights to a popular book. Then Blake decided she wanted it. He had no power from day one and boy does it show in this video. You know he regrets ever casting her. She was wrong for the part of young naive Lily. Blake the actress was already washed up, he was trying to bring cache to the film by attaching it to a power couple and in turn help her revive her acting career. Her entire career had become being Mrs. Ryan Reynalds (also extremely unlikable).

So much of this thread is boring…arguing legal processes and proceedings, legal technicalities that the casual film fan doesn’t care at all about. People hope he wins just because she is insufferable spoiled and entitled. And that’s how she really loses.

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Anonymous wrote:These videos. Scroll into the article. Blake is so done. She actually looks like the harasser not the victim. He keeps his hands firmly and stiffly away from her as far as possible. He looks very uncomfortable.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-15705517/blake-lively-grateful-judge-sexual-harassment-claims-justin-baldoni.html

Interesting because she claimed sexual harassment and she is the one who refused an intimacy coordinator on set and it looks like he is the one who needed one. I don’t know who will win this case legally but as far as public perception, Blake’s reputation is so screwed. Her main problem is that even outside of this situation, she is just not likable. She’s a nepo baby who has bullied women interviewers & journalists, tried to shut down the voices of female podcasters. Now she’s trying to spin it as if she is some kind of victim’s advocate but is just looks worse because nothing about her screams “victim”. She’s is so smug privileged and connected. That was always her persona.

The casual person doesn’t care if WME/Endeavor or Hollywood institutions/celebs back her. We expect them to, she’s part of the powerful insular complex. She’s one of them, they protect their own but they won’t invest millions in her again. In contrast, Justin is the little guy who happened to spend his every dime buying the rights to a popular book. Then Blake decided she wanted it. He had no power from day one and boy does it show in this video. You know he regrets ever casting her. She was wrong for the part of young naive Lily. Blake the actress was already washed up, he was trying to bring cache to the film by attaching it to a power couple and in turn help her revive her acting career. Her entire career had become being Mrs. Ryan Reynalds (also extremely unlikable).

So much of this thread is boring…arguing legal processes and proceedings, legal technicalities that the casual film fan doesn’t care at all about. People hope he wins just because she is insufferable spoiled and entitled. And that’s how she really loses.

+100.

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Part of why she is spiraling is that Justin is no longer fretting about this case. He is not on trial for sexual harassment any longer. He is no longer a defendant. It’s Wayfarer. Which is the pet project of a billionaire who is happy to keep spending against decidedly not billionaires, Blake and Ryan.

This case is ruining her Easter weekend as shown by the crazy stories she is sharing. And if they do go to trial, she is the one that’s going to be stressing about it for the next six weeks. Meanwhile Justin does not have to deal with this any more.

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Anonymous wrote:Baldoni's lawyers will file "Motions in Limine" to block Lively from detailing the alleged harassment, arguing it will unfairly poison the jury against him for claims he's already been cleared of. Judges despise "mini-trials" within a trial. The judge will likely allow Lively to testify that she complained about inappropriate behavior, but will cut her off if she tries to present extensive evidence or call multiple witnesses to prove the underlying behavior itself.

He hasn't been "cleared" of those claims. Lively is just prevented from bringing them because she is determined to have been an independent contractor, not an employee. She will be required to detail the alleged harassment in order to prove that she had a reasonable belief she had been harassed when she brought her complaint.

If it goes to trial, the jury *will* hear testimony and evident regarding the four incidents the judge has outlined, which are also her four strongest allegations. And he will be disinclined to limit further because he's already handed Wayfarer a win in how narrowly he's cut Lively's case. Why would he then cut it further? If he wanted to throw the whole thing out, he would have. He didn't.

Dp but the court actually did say about half of her sh allegations, as a matter of law, were deficient and could not be used as part of her retaliation case.

Also disagree about the strength of her remaining allegations. He called me sexy and he said I don’t watch porn is going nowhere once her texts and sexy boots video are presented. Further, much of her birthing scene allegations have bern discredited ( what she wearing, who was present, etc) which is going to put her credibility in question. Same with the trailer allegations.

But, again, she doesn't have to prove that the remaining allegations constituted sexual harassment. Only that it was reasonable for her to believe they did. I know within the echo chamber of pro-Baldoni Reddit, it's very hard to understand this. But the jurors will not be people who sit around watching Kjersti Flaa videos or speculating on whether Ryan Reynolds is secretly gay all day long. They'll just be regular people with lives.

Regular people with lives could be persuaded that a woman felt that being called sexy by her director, having a producer walk in on her nude after she requested he please not, having the director make a joke about her not watching porn, and being told that she needed to appear nude in a birth scene because "it's not normal" for women to wear hospital gowns during childbirth, added up to sexual harassment.

Keep in mind that some members of the jury will likely be women who have given birth wearing hospital gowns, and people who are horrified at the idea that someone they work with might insist on coming into a room where they were nude. Again, in pro-Baldoni bubble land, these are all normal things that anyone should accept, but in reality a lot of people will find that upsetting and will think "yeah, I can see why she thought she'd been harassed." And that's all she needs for this part of her case.

Agree with this, but I'm not sure how much it matters. Seems clear they retaliated against her and that's the meat of the case.

WaPo headline: Blake Lively's sexual harassment claims against Justin Baldoni tossed out but robust case remains

It matters because in order to show they retaliated, she must first show that her complaints were made in good faith

Tho one of the strongest pieces of evidence for this is cited in Liman's decision -- Baldoni commented (via text) that Blake clearly genuinely believed her allegations.

I think Blake fans are holding onto the sh claims for dear life. They’re gone. WF can send a company rep to testify (doesn’t even have to be Justin) that there’s no dispute she engaged in protected activity. That they addressed all of her concerns, which is also undisputed. And that their pr was defensive as a result of her behavior a year and a half later. They can note that not only did they have no motive to harm Blake’s reputation, but that when they saw her marketing going poorly they reached out to Sony and advised her to course correct. That multiple content creators, including the author of the little bump video, said their posts were organic. That Sony execs with intimate knowledge of the industry said she brought this on herself. Further they can testify that she suffered no adverse employment impact, as they paid her in good faith despite having no obligation to do so b/c her contract was never signed (which she then tried to hold against them in her msj response and the judge basically said oh no you don’t). That at every turn they have sought to appease and be fair to lively but they also have an obligation to protect themselves, their employees whom she was harming, and the movie. She’s cooked to use Sony’s words, and her fans are delusional.

There is no reason for them to agree there was protected activity which would be an admission of her remaining sh allegations . They will vigorously attack that point, and there is very good evidence available to them. And that evidence will be very embarrassing for Blake. Appreciate that you are a Baldoni supporter, but hold off on the legal analysis if you aren’t a lawyer and haven’t read the opinion.

Clearly you’re the one who should hold off on the legal analysis b/c agreeing that she engaged in protected activity is not an admission that she was harassed. It is nothing more than an admission she complained, which is pretty undisputed. Multiple lawyers have said wayfarer may go this route if this thing ever goes to court. It’s not in their interest to rehash the SH after winning those claims.

They contested it on summary judgment and will contest it at trial. Blake’s burden for retaliation includes establishing she had a reasonable belief a hostile work environment existed based on four specific allegations of sh that the Court did not throw out. In other words, The claim for sexual harassment is gone, but some of her sexual harassment allegations remain part of her retaliation claim. WF will absolutely contest this.

Again, it is obvious you did not read the opinion.

They contested it in the motion and lost. That’s why it’s still in the case. Lucky for them their lawyers aren’t getting legal strategy from dc urban moms and aren’t dumb enough to double down on a losing argument. Clearly you didn’t read the opinion.

OMG, you definitely aren’t a lawyer. Because on summary judgment, the judge will only look at the evidence most favorable to the plaintiff, that’s the standard. Entirely different ball game at trial.

There are still four specific sexual harassment allegations that are part of the retaliation case (use of the word sexy, birthing scene, trailer, and porn comment). Why in the world do you think they would stipulate to them?

They wouldn't, that PP is an idiot. It would be conceding half of Blake's case.

You’re both idiots. Wayfarer does not want or need to relitigate the SH claims. And acknowledging that Blake made a complaint does not concede that the underlying claims had merit.

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Anonymous wrote:Baldoni's lawyers will file "Motions in Limine" to block Lively from detailing the alleged harassment, arguing it will unfairly poison the jury against him for claims he's already been cleared of. Judges despise "mini-trials" within a trial. The judge will likely allow Lively to testify that she complained about inappropriate behavior, but will cut her off if she tries to present extensive evidence or call multiple witnesses to prove the underlying behavior itself.

He hasn't been "cleared" of those claims. Lively is just prevented from bringing them because she is determined to have been an independent contractor, not an employee. She will be required to detail the alleged harassment in order to prove that she had a reasonable belief she had been harassed when she brought her complaint.

If it goes to trial, the jury *will* hear testimony and evident regarding the four incidents the judge has outlined, which are also her four strongest allegations. And he will be disinclined to limit further because he's already handed Wayfarer a win in how narrowly he's cut Lively's case. Why would he then cut it further? If he wanted to throw the whole thing out, he would have. He didn't.

Dp but the court actually did say about half of her sh allegations, as a matter of law, were deficient and could not be used as part of her retaliation case.

Also disagree about the strength of her remaining allegations. He called me sexy and he said I don’t watch porn is going nowhere once her texts and sexy boots video are presented. Further, much of her birthing scene allegations have bern discredited ( what she wearing, who was present, etc) which is going to put her credibility in question. Same with the trailer allegations.

But, again, she doesn't have to prove that the remaining allegations constituted sexual harassment. Only that it was reasonable for her to believe they did. I know within the echo chamber of pro-Baldoni Reddit, it's very hard to understand this. But the jurors will not be people who sit around watching Kjersti Flaa videos or speculating on whether Ryan Reynolds is secretly gay all day long. They'll just be regular people with lives.

Regular people with lives could be persuaded that a woman felt that being called sexy by her director, having a producer walk in on her nude after she requested he please not, having the director make a joke about her not watching porn, and being told that she needed to appear nude in a birth scene because "it's not normal" for women to wear hospital gowns during childbirth, added up to sexual harassment.

Keep in mind that some members of the jury will likely be women who have given birth wearing hospital gowns, and people who are horrified at the idea that someone they work with might insist on coming into a room where they were nude. Again, in pro-Baldoni bubble land, these are all normal things that anyone should accept, but in reality a lot of people will find that upsetting and will think "yeah, I can see why she thought she'd been harassed." And that's all she needs for this part of her case.

Agree with this, but I'm not sure how much it matters. Seems clear they retaliated against her and that's the meat of the case.

WaPo headline: Blake Lively's sexual harassment claims against Justin Baldoni tossed out but robust case remains

It matters because in order to show they retaliated, she must first show that her complaints were made in good faith

Tho one of the strongest pieces of evidence for this is cited in Liman's decision -- Baldoni commented (via text) that Blake clearly genuinely believed her allegations.

I think Blake fans are holding onto the sh claims for dear life. They’re gone. WF can send a company rep to testify (doesn’t even have to be Justin) that there’s no dispute she engaged in protected activity. That they addressed all of her concerns, which is also undisputed. And that their pr was defensive as a result of her behavior a year and a half later. They can note that not only did they have no motive to harm Blake’s reputation, but that when they saw her marketing going poorly they reached out to Sony and advised her to course correct. That multiple content creators, including the author of the little bump video, said their posts were organic. That Sony execs with intimate knowledge of the industry said she brought this on herself. Further they can testify that she suffered no adverse employment impact, as they paid her in good faith despite having no obligation to do so b/c her contract was never signed (which she then tried to hold against them in her msj response and the judge basically said oh no you don’t). That at every turn they have sought to appease and be fair to lively but they also have an obligation to protect themselves, their employees whom she was harming, and the movie. She’s cooked to use Sony’s words, and her fans are delusional.

There is no reason for them to agree there was protected activity which would be an admission of her remaining sh allegations . They will vigorously attack that point, and there is very good evidence available to them. And that evidence will be very embarrassing for Blake. Appreciate that you are a Baldoni supporter, but hold off on the legal analysis if you aren’t a lawyer and haven’t read the opinion.

Clearly you’re the one who should hold off on the legal analysis b/c agreeing that she engaged in protected activity is not an admission that she was harassed. It is nothing more than an admission she complained, which is pretty undisputed. Multiple lawyers have said wayfarer may go this route if this thing ever goes to court. It’s not in their interest to rehash the SH after winning those claims.

They contested it on summary judgment and will contest it at trial. Blake’s burden for retaliation includes establishing she had a reasonable belief a hostile work environment existed based on four specific allegations of sh that the Court did not throw out. In other words, The claim for sexual harassment is gone, but some of her sexual harassment allegations remain part of her retaliation claim. WF will absolutely contest this.

Again, it is obvious you did not read the opinion.

They contested it in the motion and lost. That’s why it’s still in the case. Lucky for them their lawyers aren’t getting legal strategy from dc urban moms and aren’t dumb enough to double down on a losing argument. Clearly you didn’t read the opinion.

OMG, you definitely aren’t a lawyer. Because on summary judgment, the judge will only look at the evidence most favorable to the plaintiff, that’s the standard. Entirely different ball game at trial.

There are still four specific sexual harassment allegations that are part of the retaliation case (use of the word sexy, birthing scene, trailer, and porn comment). Why in the world do you think they would stipulate to them?

They wouldn't, that PP is an idiot. It would be conceding half of Blake's case.

You’re both idiots. Wayfarer does not want or need to relitigate the SH claims. And acknowledging that Blake made a complaint does not concede that the underlying claims had merit.

Sweetie, you are so clueless you don’t even realize what you don’t know.

[Anonymous]

Some of you Blake supporters just sound either very naïve or just plain dumb. Hollywood does not care about these people. They care about making money. They were fine with Harvey Weinstein raping and terrorizing women until it became socially acceptable to not be fine with it and only then did they move in. Same with Matt Lauer and a ton of other men - they knew what was happening but they didn’t care until the jig was up.

If Ryan Reynolds at the height of his career 10 years ago dropped dead they would’ve sent Blake flowers and moved on. They. Don’t. Care. They don’t care if Blakes reputation has tanked because of a bot campaign, because of Justin Baldoni, or anything else…. all they know is that her reputation is in the trash and so they will not work with her. Do you really think when Sony executives were writing that she would never work again they cared WHY? Were they analyzing with each other back-and-forth on what happened? No it was very cold messages about the star of movie that had just made them a lot of money and they were writing her off. DONE. Onto the next.

Do you really think at this point the public cares about a retaliation campaign? Whatever happened two or three or however, many years ago is a moot point now. Maybe, maybe if Blake could have just let things die in August 2024 and not bought this lawsuit people would’ve moved on but that ship has way sailed and it is over.

If studios thought that Ryan’s movie animal friends would get butts in seats they would put it out. They want to make money. They know that it won’t so they bumped it twice.

We know what Ryan is like behind the scenes so we know WME felt pressured to put that statement out. They probably wanted to save their Easter weekend and not hear from him so they put something out but no one will be working on any major capacity with them again. This is the first time in over a decade he has not had an active development deal. Paramount did not renew their contract with him so it’s done at the end of this year.

Us magazine did a front page spread about Taylor’s wedding. A dozen of her close girlfriends are mentioned. Blake is nowhere in the list. No one’s even writing about their failed friendship anymore. It’s just a given that it is over. Again, if she had let this go in August 2024 it seems like they would still be friends. Ryan and Blake would get all kinds of publicity from the wedding prep and the wedding and they don’t even have that.

These bozos burned it all down.

[Anonymous]

Blake bots will screech "no perfect victim" at the top of their lungs, but it's still so interesting to me that everything Blake does and everything about this situation deviates from the typical victim profile and harassment case. Justin fits that profile way better.

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Anonymous wrote:Blake bots will screech "no perfect victim" at the top of their lungs, but it's still so interesting to me that everything Blake does and everything about this situation deviates from the typical victim profile and harassment case. Justin fits that profile way better.

Fits what profile? What are you talking about? Who are you even talking to?

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Anonymous wrote:Blake bots will screech "no perfect victim" at the top of their lungs, but it's still so interesting to me that everything Blake does and everything about this situation deviates from the typical victim profile and harassment case. Justin fits that profile way better.

Fits what profile? What are you talking about? Who are you even talking to?

DP.
It's a forum so I would guess PP isn't "talking to" anyone. They are merely posting on the forum. Just like you.
I'm not sure what is so confusing about the previous poster's statement. You can disagree but feigning incredulity and confusion is a bit much.

[Anonymous]

At this point is it thought BL legal fees are 10x other side? Or is Wayfarer spending as much but just not putting as many attorneys in public view?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At this point is it thought BL legal fees are 10x other side? Or is Wayfarer spending as much but just not putting as many attorneys in public view?

I’d imagine they are spending similar amounts. The difference is Sarowitz is a literal billionaire whose pet project is this independent studio. Lively and Reynolds net worth seem to be closer to a few hundred million so this is hurting them more. Plus the fact that Justin is not even a defendant anymore. He’s not paid for a dime of this.

Lively does seem to have a ton of PR she is paying for. Plus we now know that because the contract was not enforceable She didn’t get the $30 million + she was entitled to when the movie grossed 350 million if she had signed her damn contract. We know that Justin got that but she got the 3 million in the original loan agreement she signed. I believe it was 1.75 base and then several bonuses each time the film went over 100 million, totaling 3 million.

There is speculation that this whole suit is actually about that - as soon as her last bonus hit, they filed Vanzan. I think they were super pissed that because of her own actions she lost out on $30 million and now I can’t imagine this hasn’t cost her at least 30 million more and if it goes to trial, I imagine another 10 million? Would love to hear from lawyers about how much this is costing.

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From a PR perspective, is there anything BL could say or do at this point to redeem herself? IMO, she settles and lets the news cycle die. She goes quiet for a year or two, then pops up with a role in a charitable org like Angelina Jolie.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point is it thought BL legal fees are 10x other side? Or is Wayfarer spending as much but just not putting as many attorneys in public view?

I’d imagine they are spending similar amounts. The difference is Sarowitz is a literal billionaire whose pet project is this independent studio. Lively and Reynolds net worth seem to be closer to a few hundred million so this is hurting them more. Plus the fact that Justin is not even a defendant anymore. He’s not paid for a dime of this.

Lively does seem to have a ton of PR she is paying for. Plus we now know that because the contract was not enforceable She didn’t get the $30 million + she was entitled to when the movie grossed 350 million if she had signed her damn contract. We know that Justin got that but she got the 3 million in the original loan agreement she signed. I believe it was 1.75 base and then several bonuses each time the film went over 100 million, totaling 3 million.

There is speculation that this whole suit is actually about that - as soon as her last bonus hit, they filed Vanzan. I think they were super pissed that because of her own actions she lost out on $30 million and now I can’t imagine this hasn’t cost her at least 30 million more and if it goes to trial, I imagine another 10 million? Would

Ilove to hear from lawyers about how much this is costing.

I think more than $ 10 million at this point because she filed something like a dozen motions for sanctions and also the 110 subpoenas to content creators, plus all the other the motions, document production and review, and depositions. Maybe a few more million to take it to trial.

[Anonymous]

I just check this post once every few months to see if it’s still a woman bashing nightmare since Jeff got talked into letting this go on.

Which fine whatever. And here there are multiple posters complaining about Blake bots to each other. I don’t see any pro Blake posts in this last page at least. The call is coming from inside the house because all I see are Baldoni supporters. Are you all ok???