Plane crash DCA?

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Anonymous wrote:Now a plane just crashed in Alaska, with all on board dead.

Neither this flight (terrible weather) nor the medical flight (private aviation, foreign trained pilots) concern me nearly as much as the DCA crash. People trying to equate them are silly.

Same. The DCA crash has brought to light that our military pilots are not as well trained as people perceive. If you aren’t trained to fly through DC safely, that doesn’t bode well for being battle ready

No. You’re making giant leaps in logic.

Nope. There is no clear reason for that crash other than pilot incompetence

A Blackhawk pilot posted on another forum that many pilots are competing for flying hours. I just assumed a pilot could get flight hours whenever they wanted to fly. Didn’t know there was a pecking order.

Wtf.

That’d be all the time. Ever meet or know a pilot?!?

Only Test pilots.

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't read the more recent posts on the 239! pages. Any word on who was being transported in the BH between whereever it was they were? Was it actually a vip and whom?

They weren’t transporting anyone. It was just the 3 of them in the helicopter.

They began the route at Langley in McLean. That’s not a training run.

There were over 40 close calls over the last few years. It could have been any flight. So what if you get a list of everyone who has been in a helicopter in that area over the last few years who created danger by using a helicopter in a congested airspace. What are you going to do with that information?

There are two separate problems. Yeah, there are close calls all the time. That’s a known problem.

The other problem is that it’s possible this flight never should have happened. We have an administration that likes to treat themselves and their friends to buildings, servers, documents, and benefits that they are not entitled to. If someone who doesn’t qualify for VIP flights got one, that’s reckless. Oh, and it’s fraud, waste, and abuse.

Maybe someone in the military or reserves can explain checkride requirements and scheduling to you again some day.
Meanwhile don’t quit your remote blogger job.

I’m one of the people who explained training and requal pages ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't read the more recent posts on the 239! pages. Any word on who was being transported in the BH between whereever it was they were? Was it actually a vip and whom?

They weren’t transporting anyone. It was just the 3 of them in the helicopter.

They began the route at Langley in McLean. That’s not a training run.

There were over 40 close calls over the last few years. It could have been any flight. So what if you get a list of everyone who has been in a helicopter in that area over the last few years who created danger by using a helicopter in a congested airspace. What are you going to do with that information?

There are two separate problems. Yeah, there are close calls all the time. That’s a known problem.

The other problem is that it’s possible this flight never should have happened. We have an administration that likes to treat themselves and their friends to buildings, servers, documents, and benefits that they are not entitled to. If someone who doesn’t qualify for VIP flights got one, that’s reckless. Oh, and it’s fraud, waste, and abuse.

Maybe someone in the military or reserves can explain checkride requirements and scheduling to you again some day.
Meanwhile don’t quit your remote blogger job.

No one does a check ride picking up a civilian unauthorized to receive military flights. Maybe the last leg of the flight was used for training, but the point is, the flight might not have been necessary at all. The question is: was training added on to justify the flight for someone who shouldn’t have received a ride? THAT is fraud, waste, and abuse. And unnecessary risk.

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Problems that all lined up tragically:

Number one issue: Crowded airport with helicopters crossing into the flight paths of landing jets with little clearance room. This was standard, yes, but it diminishes room for human error or other issues, which needs to always be assumed in safety analysis. I can only aasume this will change after this incident

Plane was switched to a different run way and did a little turn that brought it into the black Hawks flight path

The new runway was shorter than the original runway and so the planes descent was likely steeper than if they’d landed on the original run way- again, bringing it into thr Blackhawk path at the worst moment

Plane and Blackhawk were talking to the same controller but on different frequencies so couldn’t hear each other or gain any sort of awareness that way

Blackhawk pilots likely had on night vision goggles which significantly reduces one’s field of vision and with city lights was probably distracting rather than helpful

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Anonymous wrote:Why did Rebecca turn this off? Was this pure error or were they ordered to because of the still unnamed VIP? This is why we need to know who the VIP was.

I suspect they always fly without it. It wouldn't work in a war zone anyway and would just be a distraction.

No, but they can turn it off when they want to be invisible.

How do you explain the FlightAware data from ADS-B that was turned on over Saudi property? Can you pick one conspiracy and stick with it?

Conspiracy? All I said was that they don’t always fly without it and that military aircraft can disable their ADS-B, preventing their position from being broadcast. This helps them stay off flight tracking systems when necessary, especially during sensitive operations. In this case, we don’t know what happened with ADS-B, so we should wait for the official report.

I see Blackhawks fly over most days. I’ve only seen one show up on a flight app, and that was probably because they forgot to turn it off. The others in the group did not appear.

I click around on FlightRadar24 all the time to see what’s flying, both here and all over the country, and rarely saw military aircraft show up anywhere until a few days ago.

I see Blackhawks on flight radar all the time. I’m close enough to a reserve base to notice them. I live in an area without much helicopter activity outside of military or mountain rescues so is noticeable when they’re flying

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't read the more recent posts on the 239! pages. Any word on who was being transported in the BH between whereever it was they were? Was it actually a vip and whom?

We probably won’t know bc it doesn’t matter. Helicopters are/were authorized to use that route and airspace. Whether VIP or getting Trump McDonald’s. Just as commercial jets are authorized in that space because someone wants to visit Aunt Maude.

What we do know is this crash shouldn’t have happened and the only reasons we know so far are due to multiple errors from the pilots. They 1) got off course 2) were at wrong altitude 3) didn’t have the appropriate anti collision radar on 4) were inappropriately wearing night vision goggles

Phew, hope he got his orange food after all

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't read the more recent posts on the 239! pages. Any word on who was being transported in the BH between whereever it was they were? Was it actually a vip and whom?

They weren’t transporting anyone. It was just the 3 of them in the helicopter.

Not at the time of crash but werent they returning from having dropped someone in VA or elsewhere?

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Anonymous wrote:Why did Rebecca turn this off? Was this pure error or were they ordered to because of the still unnamed VIP? This is why we need to know who the VIP was.

The VIP wasn’t on the plane. It is IRRELEVANT.

It was likely never on in the first place. The whole thing looks like a problem with pilots and their training.

The manifest before they dropped off the VIP(s) is most relevant. And the more you shills dig in the more curious we all are about who it was.

No one outside of DC cares.

They absolutely do. For some bizarre reason, you desperately want them not to. So weird.

lol, keep telling yourself that PP.

“Lol?” Are you 12 or 80?

And it’s true, no matter how many times you come running back to deny it.

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Anonymous wrote:I doubt there was a VIP on board ever. And I doubt that the helicopter took off from Langley.

On day 1, Hangover Hesgeth said it was a continuity of government training exercise. It took off from Belvoir or Bolling and went to Mt. Weather. In order to prevent having the route monitored, they turned the transponder off when they got (initially) to Langley. On the way back they turned the transponder on when they got to Langley so as to be seen by ATC when they re-entered airspace used by DCA. No VIP. Simple.

Why would a training flight have a VIP onboard? Waste of time for the VIP and training missions carrying an actual VIP are no longer training missions.

JFC. Because they routinely use return flights from dropping off VIPs to knock out their needed training hours. And because of the call sign (of the flight, not the physical helicopter).

Why comment if you don’t read?

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Anonymous wrote:I doubt there was a VIP on board ever. And I doubt that the helicopter took off from Langley.

On day 1, Hangover Hesgeth said it was a continuity of government training exercise. It took off from Belvoir or Bolling and went to Mt. Weather. In order to prevent having the route monitored, they turned the transponder off when they got (initially) to Langley. On the way back they turned the transponder on when they got to Langley so as to be seen by ATC when they re-entered airspace used by DCA. No VIP. Simple.

Why would a training flight have a VIP onboard? Waste of time for the VIP and training missions carrying an actual VIP are no longer training missions.

JFC. Because they routinely use return flights from dropping off VIPs to knock out their needed training hours. And because of the call sign (of the flight, not the physical helicopter).

Why comment if you don’t read?

The call sign comes from the command not the occupant. Thisisn't an Air Force 1 or Marine 1 type situation.

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Anonymous wrote:I doubt there was a VIP on board ever. And I doubt that the helicopter took off from Langley.

On day 1, Hangover Hesgeth said it was a continuity of government training exercise. It took off from Belvoir or Bolling and went to Mt. Weather. In order to prevent having the route monitored, they turned the transponder off when they got (initially) to Langley. On the way back they turned the transponder on when they got to Langley so as to be seen by ATC when they re-entered airspace used by DCA. No VIP. Simple.

Why would a training flight have a VIP onboard? Waste of time for the VIP and training missions carrying an actual VIP are no longer training missions.

JFC. Because they routinely use return flights from dropping off VIPs to knock out their needed training hours. And because of the call sign (of the flight, not the physical helicopter).

Why comment if you don’t read?

The call sign comes from the command not the occupant. Thisisn't an Air Force 1 or Marine 1 type situation.

DP here. It’s almost worse if there was no VIP. It was a terrible, horrible (and ultimately fatal) idea to run a “training” mission like this through busy class B at night with no other purpose. To me that is just a criminal as a mystery VIP. Either way, the military is at fault.

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Anonymous wrote:Problems that all lined up tragically:

Number one issue: Crowded airport with helicopters crossing into the flight paths of landing jets with little clearance room. This was standard, yes, but it diminishes room for human error or other issues, which needs to always be assumed in safety analysis. I can only aasume this will change after this incident

Plane was switched to a different run way and did a little turn that brought it into the black Hawks flight path

The new runway was shorter than the original runway and so the planes descent was likely steeper than if they’d landed on the original run way- again, bringing it into thr Blackhawk path at the worst moment

Plane and Blackhawk were talking to the same controller but on different frequencies so couldn’t hear each other or gain any sort of awareness that way

Blackhawk pilots likely had on night vision goggles which significantly reduces one’s field of vision and with city lights was probably distracting rather than helpful

Weird how you left off the Required Flying altitude (200 fr max) and river positioning (east bank only) from your mumbo jumbo.

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Anonymous wrote:I doubt there was a VIP on board ever. And I doubt that the helicopter took off from Langley.

On day 1, Hangover Hesgeth said it was a continuity of government training exercise. It took off from Belvoir or Bolling and went to Mt. Weather. In order to prevent having the route monitored, they turned the transponder off when they got (initially) to Langley. On the way back they turned the transponder on when they got to Langley so as to be seen by ATC when they re-entered airspace used by DCA. No VIP. Simple.

Why would a training flight have a VIP onboard? Waste of time for the VIP and training missions carrying an actual VIP are no longer training missions.

JFC. Because they routinely use return flights from dropping off VIPs to knock out their needed training hours. And because of the call sign (of the flight, not the physical helicopter).

Why comment if you don’t read?

We all know that. The help was up and down all day. What matters is wtf happened with the aircraft, pilot and flight specs when it flew past DCA all incorrectly at 8:30pm.

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Anonymous wrote:I doubt there was a VIP on board ever. And I doubt that the helicopter took off from Langley.

On day 1, Hangover Hesgeth said it was a continuity of government training exercise. It took off from Belvoir or Bolling and went to Mt. Weather. In order to prevent having the route monitored, they turned the transponder off when they got (initially) to Langley. On the way back they turned the transponder on when they got to Langley so as to be seen by ATC when they re-entered airspace used by DCA. No VIP. Simple.

Why would a training flight have a VIP onboard? Waste of time for the VIP and training missions carrying an actual VIP are no longer training missions.

JFC. Because they routinely use return flights from dropping off VIPs to knock out their needed training hours. And because of the call sign (of the flight, not the physical helicopter).

Why comment if you don’t read?

The call sign comes from the command not the occupant. Thisisn't an Air Force 1 or Marine 1 type situation.

DP here. It’s almost worse if there was no VIP. It was a terrible, horrible (and ultimately fatal) idea to run a “training” mission like this through busy class B at night with no other purpose. To me that is just a criminal as a mystery VIP. Either way, the military is at fault.

For many reasons, cease Army black hawk pilots. Use Air Force or navy ones only.

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Anonymous wrote:Problems that all lined up tragically:

Number one issue: Crowded airport with helicopters crossing into the flight paths of landing jets with little clearance room. This was standard, yes, but it diminishes room for human error or other issues, which needs to always be assumed in safety analysis. I can only aasume this will change after this incident

Plane was switched to a different run way and did a little turn that brought it into the black Hawks flight path

The new runway was shorter than the original runway and so the planes descent was likely steeper than if they’d landed on the original run way- again, bringing it into thr Blackhawk path at the worst moment

Plane and Blackhawk were talking to the same controller but on different frequencies so couldn’t hear each other or gain any sort of awareness that way

Blackhawk pilots likely had on night vision goggles which significantly reduces one’s field of vision and with city lights was probably distracting rather than helpful

Weird how you left off the Required Flying altitude (200 fr max) and river positioning (east bank only) from your mumbo jumbo.

Bc it’s not confirmed that that reading was correct. But in any event, I mentioned clearance above. If you fly, you would know 100 feet of clearance with only visual separation is ridiculous and should not be the standard. I can only hope that this will change.
You must be a sad, unhappy and uneducated person to want to run to blame the pilots for an issue that was an overall system failure.