UHC CEO Gunned Down in Midtown Manhattan

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Anonymous wrote:He’s not just popular with Gen Z. r/Embroidery is loving on Luigi too.

I am surprised that so many people are surprised that Luigi studied the Unabomber. As a parent of recent grads and current college students, I can tell you that his writings and story are very popular. Like Luigi, his ideology was mixed to say the least. Anti-capitalist, anti-technology, very misogynistic, and obviously brilliant but mentally ill. There is a lot of discussion around his writings and while I wouldn’t say there is admiration for him in total, there is both admiration for some of his views and sympathy for his experiences as a somewhat troubled kid who was the subject of torturous psychological experimentation.

In any case, many students and young adults are definitely very interested in Ted Kaczynski. This is not unique to Luigi.

Sorry, what was the “torturous psychological experiment” Luigi was apparently undergoing?

You mean go to 5-6 years of college, graduate, work fulltime and live away from your parents and structured schooling?

That poster meant the unabomber was a subject in an unethical and traumatic experiment as a very young college student, which is true.

OK, what was the unabomber's "psychological experimentation" during college?

Is your Google broken? He was literally in a long term experiment designed to expose subjects to demeaning commentary from experimenters and characterize the effects. There are audio recordings. I’m not excusing the unabomber just answering your question.

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Anonymous wrote:He’s not just popular with Gen Z. r/Embroidery is loving on Luigi too.

I am surprised that so many people are surprised that Luigi studied the Unabomber. As a parent of recent grads and current college students, I can tell you that his writings and story are very popular. Like Luigi, his ideology was mixed to say the least. Anti-capitalist, anti-technology, very misogynistic, and obviously brilliant but mentally ill. There is a lot of discussion around his writings and while I wouldn’t say there is admiration for him in total, there is both admiration for some of his views and sympathy for his experiences as a somewhat troubled kid who was the subject of torturous psychological experimentation.

In any case, many students and young adults are definitely very interested in Ted Kaczynski. This is not unique to Luigi.

Sorry, what was the “torturous psychological experiment” Luigi was apparently undergoing?

You mean go to 5-6 years of college, graduate, work fulltime and live away from your parents and structured schooling?

That poster meant the unabomber was a subject in an unethical and traumatic experiment as a very young college student, which is true.

OK, what was the unabomber's "psychological experimentation" during college?

I already linked to this. It wasn’t his experimentation, he was the subject:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/impromptu-man/201205/harvards-experiment-on-the-unabomber-class-of-62

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Anonymous wrote:I think the two big contributors here are going to turn out to be weed (I bet he already used a lot in his frat in college, then it got worse with the back pain, and I’m sure there was free flowing weed in his commune in Hawaii) and playing first person shooter games. Weed absolutely precipitates psychotic illness in kids this age (see here for example: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33617756/). And growing up playing a lot of shooter games (it said several places that he was into them and at one point his goal was to develop his own) inured him to real life repercussions of shooting someone.

Yes, maybe to the weed, no to the video games. You probably don’t have college kids. They are frustrated with this country. People aren’t ready to kill, but there was so much attention on him because the environment is sh-t, there are people being needlessly killed across the globe, mental health isn’t funded (see UHC on this), and their quality of life will be worse than their parents (GenX). I’ve heard several kids say they don’t want to “bring kids into this world.” They didn’t want to vote (“feels pointless, it’s all theater”). Everything is so freaking expensive. We have a lot of problems in society that aren’t being addressed by either party because they’re so entrenched on drawing party lines. The millennials are about to have the biggest wealth transfer in history. GenZ is already, and knows they soon, bear the brunt of all of this.

On a micro level, this kid seemed to have a better quality of life than his parents. He lived in Hawaii, working remotely, surfing, and hanging with friends in this co-working/co-living community. He had the benefit of their wealth, no student debt despite a very expensive education. I don't really feel you can blame this on a generational frustration with income inequality or lack of opportunity because he is one of the lucky ones from his generation. Other Gen Zers definitely feel that way and rightfully so, but I don't see why he would.

I think this was more a case of someone with fragile mental health being radicalized online after a few IRL setbacks. He didn't lack for healthcare (had access to good care and the funds to pay for it), he wasn't struggling to buy a home (his parents bought him one), wasn't struggling finding stable work in the "gig economy" (had a good job in a solid field thanks to an expensive BS and MS from Penn, also paid for by his parents). He was very, very fortunate. Yet he became a killer. I think it was just buying into the online rage machine and perhaps being too disconnected from family, combined with underlying and untreated mental illness.

This will sound callous and I don't mean it that way because I feel for Thompson's family, but at least he just killed one guy. He'll go to prison for most of the rest of his life. Situations like this are often much, much worse.

All very true.

Dangers of social media and the internet + unstable Gen Zs + radicalization

Actually, some have theorized that his untreated mental illness is schizophrenia, which commonly hits at age 26 or thereabouts.

Agree.
Am a trauma psychologist and some good reads out on it are Six Schizophrenic Brothers and the book The Best Minds.
Murder is unf, not unheard of for those types.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He’s not just popular with Gen Z. r/Embroidery is loving on Luigi too.

I am surprised that so many people are surprised that Luigi studied the Unabomber. As a parent of recent grads and current college students, I can tell you that his writings and story are very popular. Like Luigi, his ideology was mixed to say the least. Anti-capitalist, anti-technology, very misogynistic, and obviously brilliant but mentally ill. There is a lot of discussion around his writings and while I wouldn’t say there is admiration for him in total, there is both admiration for some of his views and sympathy for his experiences as a somewhat troubled kid who was the subject of torturous psychological experimentation.

In any case, many students and young adults are definitely very interested in Ted Kaczynski. This is not unique to Luigi.

Sorry, what was the “torturous psychological experiment” Luigi was apparently undergoing?

You mean go to 5-6 years of college, graduate, work fulltime and live away from your parents and structured schooling?

That poster meant the unabomber was a subject in an unethical and traumatic experiment as a very young college student, which is true.

OK, what was the unabomber's "psychological experimentation" during college?

Is your Google broken? He was literally in a long term experiment designed to expose subjects to demeaning commentary from experimenters and characterize the effects. There are audio recordings. I’m not excusing the unabomber just answering your question.

What university program was doing this? Was he a psych major or pre-Med?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel a good deal of sadness when I look at his photo. It's all just heartbreaking. He had so much promise, every possible advantage, and threw it all away....ruined multiple lives. It's very sad.

How do you feel about the lives Thompson and UHC ruined?

Many of those people were so sick they were likely dying anyway.

No. And you sound like an ignorant idiot by saying this.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He’s not just popular with Gen Z. r/Embroidery is loving on Luigi too.

I am surprised that so many people are surprised that Luigi studied the Unabomber. As a parent of recent grads and current college students, I can tell you that his writings and story are very popular. Like Luigi, his ideology was mixed to say the least. Anti-capitalist, anti-technology, very misogynistic, and obviously brilliant but mentally ill. There is a lot of discussion around his writings and while I wouldn’t say there is admiration for him in total, there is both admiration for some of his views and sympathy for his experiences as a somewhat troubled kid who was the subject of torturous psychological experimentation.

In any case, many students and young adults are definitely very interested in Ted Kaczynski. This is not unique to Luigi.

Sorry, what was the “torturous psychological experiment” Luigi was apparently undergoing?

You mean go to 5-6 years of college, graduate, work fulltime and live away from your parents and structured schooling?

That poster meant the unabomber was a subject in an unethical and traumatic experiment as a very young college student, which is true.

OK, what was the unabomber's "psychological experimentation" during college?

I already linked to this. It wasn’t his experimentation, he was the subject:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/impromptu-man/201205/harvards-experiment-on-the-unabomber-class-of-62

a blog post?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He’s not just popular with Gen Z. r/Embroidery is loving on Luigi too.

I am surprised that so many people are surprised that Luigi studied the Unabomber. As a parent of recent grads and current college students, I can tell you that his writings and story are very popular. Like Luigi, his ideology was mixed to say the least. Anti-capitalist, anti-technology, very misogynistic, and obviously brilliant but mentally ill. There is a lot of discussion around his writings and while I wouldn’t say there is admiration for him in total, there is both admiration for some of his views and sympathy for his experiences as a somewhat troubled kid who was the subject of torturous psychological experimentation.

In any case, many students and young adults are definitely very interested in Ted Kaczynski. This is not unique to Luigi.

Sorry, what was the “torturous psychological experiment” Luigi was apparently undergoing?

You mean go to 5-6 years of college, graduate, work fulltime and live away from your parents and structured schooling?

That poster meant the unabomber was a subject in an unethical and traumatic experiment as a very young college student, which is true.

OK, what was the unabomber's "psychological experimentation" during college?

Is your Google broken? He was literally in a long term experiment designed to expose subjects to demeaning commentary from experimenters and characterize the effects. There are audio recordings. I’m not excusing the unabomber just answering your question.

What university program was doing this? Was he a psych major or pre-Med?

DP here - read this first:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe some of you thought he was good looking. He's hideous.

He looks good in his old pics. He is way skinny now and looks rough. He has reported missing November 18th by his family so he probably hasn’t been taking care of himself well.

How did they not know it was him with those pictures plastered all over?

who cares if his family didn’t identify him? they weren’t harboring him. they didn’t know where he was

You don’t think telling the cops who he was might have helped? If you knew that was your brother, cousin, son wouldn’t you be worried for their safety?

Why do you think they did not do so? We do not know everything. We do know his mom had reported him missing a while back.

Because the NYPD said they did not know the name of the suspect before Altoona police apprehended him, all they were going on was the photos. It wasn’t until he was arrested did they get his name. IF any of his relatives had called the tip lines, wouldn’t the police already have had his name? So no, none of his parents or siblings or 30 cousins called.

But we don’t know how many people called to say, “ that might be my[son, cousin, coworker, ex-husband, former classmate].“ They could not jump from a tip to deciding that is the shooter’s name.

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Anonymous wrote:This kid has everything going for him. Looks, money, degree from an Ivy in a great field. What went wrong?! So sad, he will be spending his life in prison and nothing will change with the healthcare companies.

No grit. No resilience. Had an easy life and life ain’t actually always easy.

You've obviously never had severe back pain. I have. It is not something you can come close to imagining before you have it. Not even close.

Agree. It is a pain like nothing else. It is all-consuming, and literally crazy-making.

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I had a family member with severe chronic back pain (who passed away of something unrelated). It was so debilitating.

That being said…this seems a bit short sighted. Does he thinking a jail will provide him better medical accommodation? Lol.

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Anonymous wrote:Some input to the insurance companies bad vs insurance companies good debate:
https://www.propublica.org/article/how-often-do-health-insurers-deny-patients-claims
In 2010, federal regulators were granted expansive authority through the Affordable Care Act to require that insurers provide information on their denials. This data could have meant a sea change in transparency for consumers. But more than a decade later, the federal government has collected only a fraction of what it’s entitled to. And what information it has released, experts say, is so crude, inconsistent and confusing that it’s essentially meaningless.

https://acdis.org/articles/news-aha-report-suggests-ma-denials-increased-557-between-2022-2023
A new report released by the American Hospital Association (AHA) catalogues “staggering” administrative costs imposed on hospital operating margins.
The report—“Skyrocketing hospital administrative costs, burdensome commercial insurer policies are impacting patient care”—suggests that “excessive regulatory and insurer requirements” account for “more than 40% of total expenses hospitals incur in delivering care to patients.”
The authors of the report highlighted the growing trend in denials over the past few years, observing that care denials occurring between 2022 and 2023 increased a whopping average of 20.2% for commercial claims and 55.7% for Medicare Advantage claims, respectively.
--I assume this is hospital claims so we don't know what is happening in outpatient care

Because the govt is not getting this data, there's a lot we don't know. There may have also been some degree of Covid effect (otoh non-emergency surgeries and other care were being delayed during Covid), but a 57% year to year increase for MA denials??

Huge criticism on r/medicine about the Vox article claiming BCBS was not doing what they were actually doing re: anesthesia (even if it's a bit more complicated). It does sound like Vox and BCBS spun much harder than the ASA did.

So, is it violence when a corporation's practices lead to otherwise avoidable deaths (whether an insurance company, an international agribusiness, wood products, textile, energy, or mining company)? Was what Purdue did violence? Enron?

If "corporations are people" then when they commit violence via the ways they do business rather than 3-d printing a gun and shooting is there the same culpability?

UHC stock is coming back up, and in the end the same will happen for other insurers--because they also hold society hostage. In murder prosecutions, that's an aggravating factor.

This has to be one of the best analyses I’ve ever read on DCUM! Thank you for posting!! <3

Don’t get Medicare Advantage!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:He’s not just popular with Gen Z. r/Embroidery is loving on Luigi too.

I am surprised that so many people are surprised that Luigi studied the Unabomber. As a parent of recent grads and current college students, I can tell you that his writings and story are very popular. Like Luigi, his ideology was mixed to say the least. Anti-capitalist, anti-technology, very misogynistic, and obviously brilliant but mentally ill. There is a lot of discussion around his writings and while I wouldn’t say there is admiration for him in total, there is both admiration for some of his views and sympathy for his experiences as a somewhat troubled kid who was the subject of torturous psychological experimentation.

In any case, many students and young adults are definitely very interested in Ted Kaczynski. This is not unique to Luigi.

Sorry, what was the “torturous psychological experiment” Luigi was apparently undergoing?

You mean go to 5-6 years of college, graduate, work fulltime and live away from your parents and structured schooling?

That poster meant the unabomber was a subject in an unethical and traumatic experiment as a very young college student, which is true.

OK, what was the unabomber's "psychological experimentation" during college?

I already linked to this. It wasn’t his experimentation, he was the subject:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/impromptu-man/201205/harvards-experiment-on-the-unabomber-class-of-62

a blog post?

It’s easily digestible which seemed like a plus

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Anonymous wrote:I had a family member with severe chronic back pain (who passed away of something unrelated). It was so debilitating.

That being said…this seems a bit short sighted. Does he thinking a jail will provide him better medical accommodation? Lol.

Luigi isn’t moving around like he is in debilitating pain. He’s surfing, hiking, doing yoga, jumping off and on subways, buses and taxis, walking all over the place, jumping out of police cars, slamming against walls, etc. NOTHING about his movements suggest he’s in debilitating pain.

I’ve been there, with scoliosis, 2 herniated discs and pinched nerves. I’m not buying it for one second. pain, sure, debilitating, nope.

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Anonymous wrote:This kid has everything going for him. Looks, money, degree from an Ivy in a great field. What went wrong?! So sad, he will be spending his life in prison and nothing will change with the healthcare companies.

No grit. No resilience. Had an easy life and life ain’t actually always easy.

You've obviously never had severe back pain. I have. It is not something you can come close to imagining before you have it. Not even close.

Agree. It is a pain like nothing else. It is all-consuming, and literally crazy-making.

A friend of mine suffered a freak slip and fall in his 20s causing cauda equina and requiring surgeries. By his early 30s he OD’d (we’ll never really know if it was intentional or accidental). He was such a smart, funny, and wonderful person. Left behind a devastated wife (they had gotten married shortly before his fall). He had been totally healthy, and had so much life ahead of him before this accident.

When you’re in genuine pain though, opioids only help so much. It can really break you.

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Anonymous wrote:He’s not just popular with Gen Z. r/Embroidery is loving on Luigi too.

I am surprised that so many people are surprised that Luigi studied the Unabomber. As a parent of recent grads and current college students, I can tell you that his writings and story are very popular. Like Luigi, his ideology was mixed to say the least. Anti-capitalist, anti-technology, very misogynistic, and obviously brilliant but mentally ill. There is a lot of discussion around his writings and while I wouldn’t say there is admiration for him in total, there is both admiration for some of his views and sympathy for his experiences as a somewhat troubled kid who was the subject of torturous psychological experimentation.

In any case, many students and young adults are definitely very interested in Ted Kaczynski. This is not unique to Luigi.

+1000 I am seeing this too.