What happened to this California family?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Boulder poster, I want more theories!!

I am reluctant knowing there are trolls. I didn't mean they got run over by a Harley or 1000 lb boulder. You can get grazed by something, lose your balance, and hit your head on a rock with only internal bleeding. Hiking can cause boulders to roll. You can trip over rocks, you can skid on gravel, you can step on a stick that rolls and your legs go out from under you.

Here are some theories, in no particular order.
-chased to exhaustion by a mountain lion
-allergic reaction, anaphylactic shock
-The mom could have been ill or injured and died first. The dad walked away to sit down, was in shock, not realizing or caring he was overheating, too grief stricken to move, afraid he'd get accused of her murder.
-He could have skidded on a stick or gravel, or tripped over the dog or a tree root, while carrying the baby, landing on the baby and/or dog, hitting his head. She could have helped him sit down or arranged their bodies, but succumbed to grief, exhaustion, and heat stroke.

They probably died of natural causes, which is why nothing is obvious. No rocks, branches, or trees will look out of place in nature.

[Anonymous]

I will be the first to say, RIP to the family and the families and friends of the families.
-Boulder Poster

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know what kind of dog it was? Probably makes a difference to the heat exhaustion theories. A well fed and hydrated lab is not going to die of heat exhaustion on one mornings hike and would be able to feed itself from a dead man. A Yorkie, maybe not.

There is a picture of the dog in this article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/08/23/mariposa-family-death-mystery/

Looks like a golden to me. There is just absolutely no way a dog lays down and dies like this and poisons work differently on animals than humans so the fact that they all died peacefully make that seem implausible to. Mass asphyxiation would kill them all exactly the same though.

The tongue looks black in the pics. I think it's a lab or shepherd chow mix.

Here's a pic from 2014, doesn't look like a golden to me:

I had a golden retriever/border collie mix that looked a lot like that

[Anonymous]

How about respiratory failure?

On 21 November 2016, a powerful southerly change in Melbourne, Australia, resulted in the death of 10 asthmatic people who succumbed to respiratory failure.[321] This was due to a stark 60-kilometre-per-hour (37 mph) wind that distributed ryegrass pollen into the moist air, rupturing them into very fine specks, particles small enough to enter people's lungs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Boulder poster, I want more theories!!

I am reluctant knowing there are trolls. I didn't mean they got run over by a Harley or 1000 lb boulder. You can get grazed by something, lose your balance, and hit your head on a rock with only internal bleeding. Hiking can cause boulders to roll. You can trip over rocks, you can skid on gravel, you can step on a stick that rolls and your legs go out from under you.

Here are some theories, in no particular order.
-chased to exhaustion by a mountain lion
-allergic reaction, anaphylactic shock
-The mom could have been ill or injured and died first. The dad walked away to sit down, was in shock, not realizing or caring he was overheating, too grief stricken to move, afraid he'd get accused of her murder.
-He could have skidded on a stick or gravel, or tripped over the dog or a tree root, while carrying the baby, landing on the baby and/or dog, hitting his head. She could have helped him sit down or arranged their bodies, but succumbed to grief, exhaustion, and heat stroke.

They probably died of natural causes, which is why nothing is obvious. No rocks, branches, or trees will look out of place in nature.

PP, I absolutely adore you. Please don’t ever change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How about respiratory failure?

On 21 November 2016, a powerful southerly change in Melbourne, Australia, resulted in the death of 10 asthmatic people who succumbed to respiratory failure.[321] This was due to a stark 60-kilometre-per-hour (37 mph) wind that distributed ryegrass pollen into the moist air, rupturing them into very fine specks, particles small enough to enter people's lungs.

Unlikely that all of them including dog suffered from asthma.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about respiratory failure?

On 21 November 2016, a powerful southerly change in Melbourne, Australia, resulted in the death of 10 asthmatic people who succumbed to respiratory failure.[321] This was due to a stark 60-kilometre-per-hour (37 mph) wind that distributed ryegrass pollen into the moist air, rupturing them into very fine specks, particles small enough to enter people's lungs.

Unlikely that all of them including dog suffered from asthma.

Why? Do you know that dog? Why would you assume it was not sick, did you look at the photos?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How about respiratory failure?

On 21 November 2016, a powerful southerly change in Melbourne, Australia, resulted in the death of 10 asthmatic people who succumbed to respiratory failure.[321] This was due to a stark 60-kilometre-per-hour (37 mph) wind that distributed ryegrass pollen into the moist air, rupturing them into very fine specks, particles small enough to enter people's lungs.

As someone who is highly allergic to many grasses, that is ... horrific.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How about respiratory failure?

On 21 November 2016, a powerful southerly change in Melbourne, Australia, resulted in the death of 10 asthmatic people who succumbed to respiratory failure.[321] This was due to a stark 60-kilometre-per-hour (37 mph) wind that distributed ryegrass pollen into the moist air, rupturing them into very fine specks, particles small enough to enter people's lungs.

As someone who is highly allergic to many grasses, that is ... horrific.

It's very strange. A 35-mph wind is a strong breeze, not a "stark wind". The gust apparently disturbed some pollen but there's always lots of pollen in the spring. I don't really understand what happened in the quoted post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about respiratory failure?

On 21 November 2016, a powerful southerly change in Melbourne, Australia, resulted in the death of 10 asthmatic people who succumbed to respiratory failure.[321] This was due to a stark 60-kilometre-per-hour (37 mph) wind that distributed ryegrass pollen into the moist air, rupturing them into very fine specks, particles small enough to enter people's lungs.

As someone who is highly allergic to many grasses, that is ... horrific.

It's very strange. A 35-mph wind is a strong breeze, not a "stark wind". The gust apparently disturbed some pollen but there's always lots of pollen in the spring. I don't really understand what happened in the quoted post.

Here's a news article on that specific case:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/09/thunderstorm-asthma-deaths-ambulance-dispatch-time-unlikely-factor-coroner

[Anonymous]

The mom’s IG page: https://instagram.com/echungster?utm_medium=copy_link

The doggy even had its own hashtag: #oskipup

I’ve been reading the Websleuths forum plus comments on the local media covering the case. People are really thinking it may have been heat exhaustion. The weather was absolutely brutal that day and they were in the process of climbing very steep, unshaded switchbacks to get back to their car. Water alone can’t save you from heat stroke, so they were probably trying to conserve some for the moment they got into the car.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dog jumped into toxic water snd they all died trying to dry him off. People catch rabies because they think their dog is choking and get saliva on themselves. And get rabies.

I don't think you understand rabies.

Since I am a vet yes I understand rabies. The virus makes it through small abrasions on the hands. But thanks for your input.

Okay sure. Rabies equals instant death. Gotcha

Algae PLUS rabies is instant death. Science!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The mom’s IG page: https://instagram.com/echungster?utm_medium=copy_link

The doggy even had its own hashtag: #oskipup

I’ve been reading the Websleuths forum plus comments on the local media covering the case. People are really thinking it may have been heat exhaustion. The weather was absolutely brutal that day and they were in the process of climbing very steep, unshaded switchbacks to get back to their car. Water alone can’t save you from heat stroke, so they were probably trying to conserve some for the moment they got into the car.

Hard to imagine a couple that hiked all across California on weekends and did a 10-day hike in the Gobi Desert of Mongolia being overcome by heat exhaustion in their own backyard.

Just saying.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BkhLD4khDUY/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The mom’s IG page: https://instagram.com/echungster?utm_medium=copy_link

The doggy even had its own hashtag: #oskipup

I’ve been reading the Websleuths forum plus comments on the local media covering the case. People are really thinking it may have been heat exhaustion. The weather was absolutely brutal that day and they were in the process of climbing very steep, unshaded switchbacks to get back to their car. Water alone can’t save you from heat stroke, so they were probably trying to conserve some for the moment they got into the car.

Hard to imagine a couple that hiked all across California on weekends and did a 10-day hike in the Gobi Desert of Mongolia being overcome by heat exhaustion in their own backyard.

Just saying.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BkhLD4khDUY/

Here's the temps from the nearest town, which is a higher elevation than where they were located (I took this from WebSleuths):

As there has been some discussion about temperatures in the area I thought I would post what the weather station in El Portal was recording for Temp/ Humidity that day.

6:51AM 53°F 49%
7:51AM 77°F 47%
8:51AM 85°F 37%
9:51AM 92°F 28%
10:51AM 99°F 22%
11:51AM 103°F 20%
12:51PM 107°F 17%
1:51PM 108°F 16%
2:51PM 109°F 16%
3:51PM 107°F 18%
4:51PM 105°F 19%
5:51PM 101°F 22%
6:51PM 98°F 24%
7:51PM 94°F 28%

This town is at a higher elevation than where the couple was found. The canyon they were in unshaded from the sun was probably even warmer temps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Dog jumped into toxic water snd they all died trying to dry him off. People catch rabies because they think their dog is choking and get saliva on themselves. And get rabies.

I don't think you understand rabies.

Since I am a vet yes I understand rabies. The virus makes it through small abrasions on the hands. But thanks for your input.

Okay sure. Rabies equals instant death. Gotcha

Algae PLUS rabies is instant death. Science!

Now we are combining two unlikely scenarios into one.

If that's the case, I'm going with boulder plus Africanized bees.