Nice White Parents

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting series so far.

I'm curious as to what kind of policies she'd recommend at the end of this.

That’s the key. Right now there doesn’t seem to be a good answer that promotes equity when the people in power want to keep their advantages....

Obvious answer is that parents of whites will need to give up their kids unearned privilege.

ok Pol Pot, you can get right on that

- said the fragile racist white parent. Why is it so difficult for you to at least confront your privilege?

DP. I'm a white parent who is post-privilege. While children, like Black children, need to be educated. Asian children, like Hispanic children, need to be educated. All children need to be challenged.

Getting rid of achievement to close the achievement gap is the wrong way to do it.

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You are never going to close a gap that children come into school with, never. Not for entire groups.

Individual children will far exceed their circumstances or vastly underperform despite them. It is the job of the schools to educate the children to the best of their ability, helping each chilld realize her individual potential.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard work and determination made slaves successful? Allowed Black people to thrive under American apartheid (Jim Crow laws)? Allowed Black people to build wealth under systems of red-lining?

I think you need to hop off your silver spoon.

And you need to hop over to 2020, none of these things are stopping anyone from being successful today. The biggest barrier to success are terrible parents telling their children that someone or something is stopping them from being somebody.

Is it that you don't think it matters that the average white family has 10 times more wealth than the average Black family (just one of many examples of the way historical racism continues to play out), or that you think that doesn't have anything to do with our history of centuries of racism and racial injustice?

Legal segregation and other forms of explicit and major structural racism have been over for less than 60 years. Little Ruby Bridges who integrated her school under brutally racist circumstances is only 66 years old today. How quickly do you think all the effects of this stuff disappear?

It's like you beat a person bloody and then start yelling at them as they lie battered on the floor "Why aren't you getting up? I'm not hitting you anymore! You must just be lazy and weak..."

What are you blathering about? What exactly is stopping a high schooler of any color from becoming successful? What law is prohibiting them from becoming as powerful and educated as they want? I’m truly wondering what you are talking about, how will you face a 17 year old and tell them “you can’t do this because of your race” in 2020? And my children aren’t white by the way.

NP. I agree with this wholeheartedly. Do I think racism exists? Yes, it does and we need to work on it as a country. But do I think that here in 2020, that there is something prohibiting black and brown kids from being successful in school? Absolutely NOT despite what liberals want you to believe.

Dispatches from a low-performing urban district. It just happens that 90% of students here are Black or Latino, funny how that happens. Our kids get the crumbling school. Our kids get the cancelled theatre program because building inspectors designated the theatre as unsafe. Our kids have trashcans catching leaks in every school I"ve been in recently. Many of our kids don't have access to advanced academic classes, particularly in math and science. Our kids get long-term subs with no content knowlege.30% of our teachers are chronically absent. When teachers did a work to rule union action, that meant no extra help, no factulty for afterschool activities, and no recommendatio letters. Our school system is being sued by the DOJ for violating requirement for informing parents about their children's rights to ELL services and not providing those services. Our kids work multiple jobs to help out at home, or they watch their siblings and cousins so adults can work. When our kids play away games against non-urban districts, the crowds chant "USA, USA" or "Trump, Trump."

This system exists because of racism, because of an existential fear of what would happen if these kids got all they deserved and were competing against the kids with all the advantages.

What party governs your city? What race are your leaders? Hold them accountable. Try comparing urban districts across the country and you will notice some patterns.

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Example: take a hard look at DC. Who is running the show? What is the spending per student? What are the results?

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Anonymous wrote:Hard work and determination made slaves successful? Allowed Black people to thrive under American apartheid (Jim Crow laws)? Allowed Black people to build wealth under systems of red-lining?

I think you need to hop off your silver spoon.

And you need to hop over to 2020, none of these things are stopping anyone from being successful today. The biggest barrier to success are terrible parents telling their children that someone or something is stopping them from being somebody.

Is it that you don't think it matters that the average white family has 10 times more wealth than the average Black family (just one of many examples of the way historical racism continues to play out), or that you think that doesn't have anything to do with our history of centuries of racism and racial injustice?

Legal segregation and other forms of explicit and major structural racism have been over for less than 60 years. Little Ruby Bridges who integrated her school under brutally racist circumstances is only 66 years old today. How quickly do you think all the effects of this stuff disappear?

It's like you beat a person bloody and then start yelling at them as they lie battered on the floor "Why aren't you getting up? I'm not hitting you anymore! You must just be lazy and weak..."

What are you blathering about? What exactly is stopping a high schooler of any color from becoming successful? What law is prohibiting them from becoming as powerful and educated as they want? I’m truly wondering what you are talking about, how will you face a 17 year old and tell them “you can’t do this because of your race” in 2020? And my children aren’t white by the way.

NP. I agree with this wholeheartedly. Do I think racism exists? Yes, it does and we need to work on it as a country. But do I think that here in 2020, that there is something prohibiting black and brown kids from being successful in school? Absolutely NOT despite what liberals want you to believe.

Dispatches from a low-performing urban district. It just happens that 90% of students here are Black or Latino, funny how that happens. Our kids get the crumbling school. Our kids get the cancelled theatre program because building inspectors designated the theatre as unsafe. Our kids have trashcans catching leaks in every school I"ve been in recently. Many of our kids don't have access to advanced academic classes, particularly in math and science. Our kids get long-term subs with no content knowlege.30% of our teachers are chronically absent. When teachers did a work to rule union action, that meant no extra help, no factulty for afterschool activities, and no recommendatio letters. Our school system is being sued by the DOJ for violating requirement for informing parents about their children's rights to ELL services and not providing those services. Our kids work multiple jobs to help out at home, or they watch their siblings and cousins so adults can work. When our kids play away games against non-urban districts, the crowds chant "USA, USA" or "Trump, Trump."

This system exists because of racism, because of an existential fear of what would happen if these kids got all they deserved and were competing against the kids with all the advantages.

And whose fault is it that the poor minority kids get the crumbling schools? Interesting that Montgomery County the land of the progressive liberals who claim to care for black and brown students have ignored them for so long.Check out Southlake elementary school and tell me whose fault that is. Check out Neelsville MS and tell me about that. And then you wonder why people with means avoid these schools?

There's a high school in DC whose name I can't remember that was in the news a few years ago for something like falsifying data to get failing kids to graduate. They showed pictures of the school when the articles ran and the building is sparkling new and breathtakingly beautiful. My kids' high school by comparison looks like a cross between a prison and a hospital. You couldn't pay me enough money to send my children to that high school. What matters is the average academic level of the program they attend. Nothing else matters. Sorry.

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Understood. I think the point is just as you state. Which makes DC failure that much more a standout. Money has been spent - results continue to decline. The leadership is to blame. And people who allow them to stay in leadership are equally to blame.

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Anonymous wrote:Understood. I think the point is just as you state. Which makes DC failure that much more a standout. Money has been spent - results continue to decline. The leadership is to blame. And people who allow them to stay in leadership are equally to blame.

It's because pouring money into schools won't fix the real problems, which are in the home.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting series so far.

I'm curious as to what kind of policies she'd recommend at the end of this.

That’s the key. Right now there doesn’t seem to be a good answer that promotes equity when the people in power want to keep their advantages....

Obvious answer is that parents of whites will need to give up their kids unearned privilege.

ok Pol Pot, you can get right on that

- said the fragile racist white parent. Why is it so difficult for you to at least confront your privilege?

Please set an example for us & give your house / land back to the native Americans.

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Anonymous wrote:You are never going to close a gap that children come into school with, never. Not for entire groups.

Individual children will far exceed their circumstances or vastly underperform despite them. It is the job of the schools to educate the children to the best of their ability, helping each chilld realize her individual potential.

I do think part of the problem is that things can be better than they are now but the people pushing the CRT agenda aren’t doing themselves favors when they don’t recognize this truth either.

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Anonymous wrote:Understood. I think the point is just as you state. Which makes DC failure that much more a standout. Money has been spent - results continue to decline. The leadership is to blame. And people who allow them to stay in leadership are equally to blame.

It's because pouring money into schools won't fix the real problems, which are in the home.

I taught in school is DC that was shut down by Michelle Rhee. I think we need two teachers in each class in high needs schools. Then they can kind of tag team - one dealing with behavior and one continuing teaching. Anyway that’s my best idea. I have been thinking about this for a number of years.

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Anonymous wrote:Understood. I think the point is just as you state. Which makes DC failure that much more a standout. Money has been spent - results continue to decline. The leadership is to blame. And people who allow them to stay in leadership are equally to blame.

It's because pouring money into schools won't fix the real problems, which are in the home.

I taught in school is DC that was shut down by Michelle Rhee. I think we need two teachers in each class in high needs schools. Then they can kind of tag team - one dealing with behavior and one continuing teaching. Anyway that’s my best idea. I have been thinking about this for a number of years.

I’m a teacher too. You need small class sizes. No more than 15 per class. That way you can help individual students more closely. I have 130 students at the moment. Impossible to give them all what they need

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Anonymous wrote:Understood. I think the point is just as you state. Which makes DC failure that much more a standout. Money has been spent - results continue to decline. The leadership is to blame. And people who allow them to stay in leadership are equally to blame.

It's because pouring money into schools won't fix the real problems, which are in the home.

I taught in school is DC that was shut down by Michelle Rhee. I think we need two teachers in each class in high needs schools. Then they can kind of tag team - one dealing with behavior and one continuing teaching. Anyway that’s my best idea. I have been thinking about this for a number of years.

I’m a teacher too. You need small class sizes. No more than 15 per class. That way you can help individual students more closely. I have 130 students at the moment. Impossible to give them all what they need

Exactly! Which is why parents have to do it. That simple fact gets bypassed in every discussion about students, schools and education. The parent at home has to have expectations, hold kids accountable, help kids study. If this isn't happening, teachers cannot bridge that gap. Never could, never will.

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Anonymous wrote:Understood. I think the point is just as you state. Which makes DC failure that much more a standout. Money has been spent - results continue to decline. The leadership is to blame. And people who allow them to stay in leadership are equally to blame.

It's because pouring money into schools won't fix the real problems, which are in the home.

I taught in school is DC that was shut down by Michelle Rhee. I think we need two teachers in each class in high needs schools. Then they can kind of tag team - one dealing with behavior and one continuing teaching. Anyway that’s my best idea. I have been thinking about this for a number of years.

there are limits to how much money taxpayers will tolerate being thrown at the problem. If you need to cap class sizes at 15, you're probably well past that point

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This podcast came to mind with the election.

Just as we suspected: white supremacy is alive and growing - even in the DC suburbs - with their election of a slate of white supremacists.

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Anonymous wrote:So far white parents are guilty of considering their own children's needs first.

I do think the fundraising situation with the French immersion program was shady.

This maybe the dumbest comment ever. Who doesn’t think of their child first...in everything?? I don’t know of a parent who doesn’t have their child’s well being at the top of mind....black, white, red, yellow, green....ya know...everything doesn’t have to be about race.

The problem isn't in parents prioritizing the needs of their own children. It's in parents or actively encouraging social systems that don't give all parents the same authority and power to do the same.

This is exactly the issue. We are "white," but Jewish. I can't stand the thought of the Trumper nutjobs in my neighborhood, with their fake Christianity, pushing their own views in our school. They hate everyone who isn't a racist evangelical like them, including democrats and Jews, Muslims, anyone. This is the "white" that I, as a white person, am much more afraid of than any person of color when it comes to who is going to have power and authority.