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Anonymous wrote:I feel bad for white people who are being held accountable today for the actions of their ancestors. I can see why there is a lot of pushback.


Most of the US are immigrants. Unless you are the very few whose ancestors were plantation owners, there's nothing to be held accountable for. Asian people didn't own slaves, in fact, most of them were mistreated horribly themselves. Same with Mexicans. Indians. Even the Europeans like the ones from Russia and Ireland who lived in filthy cramped rooms in cities at the turn of the century. That doesn't mean that racism doesn't exist but every culture has issues with oppression. I went to a majority black school and the problem wasn't racism. The problem was that the community itself didn't value education. It valued becoming a rapper or football player or entertainer. I had smart black friends who were constantly bullied for acting white just because they chose to speak well and excel at school. You can't help a community that refuses to address the problems that they themselves have also created. We can tackle racism (I'm not denying it exists) but there's got to be some of accountability in the community as well.
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Anonymous wrote:I feel bad for white people who are being held accountable today for the actions of their ancestors. I can see why there is a lot of pushback.


Most of the US are immigrants. Unless you are the very few whose ancestors were plantation owners, there's nothing to be held accountable for. Asian people didn't own slaves, in fact, most of them were mistreated horribly themselves. Same with Mexicans. Indians. Even the Europeans like the ones from Russia and Ireland who lived in filthy cramped rooms in cities at the turn of the century. That doesn't mean that racism doesn't exist but every culture has issues with oppression. I went to a majority black school and the problem wasn't racism. The problem was that the community itself didn't value education. It valued becoming a rapper or football player or entertainer. I had smart black friends who were constantly bullied for acting white just because they chose to speak well and excel at school. You can't help a community that refuses to address the problems that they themselves have also created. We can tackle racism (I'm not denying it exists) but there's got to be some of accountability in the community as well.



Well said. And the experience of many Americans.
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Anonymous wrote:Hard work and determination made slaves successful? Allowed Black people to thrive under American apartheid (Jim Crow laws)? Allowed Black people to build wealth under systems of red-lining?

I think you need to hop off your silver spoon.

And you need to hop over to 2020, none of these things are stopping anyone from being successful today. The biggest barrier to success are terrible parents telling their children that someone or something is stopping them from being somebody.


Is it that you don't think it matters that the average white family has 10 times more wealth than the average Black family (just one of many examples of the way historical racism continues to play out), or that you think that doesn't have anything to do with our history of centuries of racism and racial injustice?

Legal segregation and other forms of explicit and major structural racism have been over for less than 60 years. Little Ruby Bridges who integrated her school under brutally racist circumstances is only 66 years old today. How quickly do you think all the effects of this stuff disappear?

It's like you beat a person bloody and then start yelling at them as they lie battered on the floor "Why aren't you getting up? I'm not hitting you anymore! You must just be lazy and weak..."

What are you blathering about? What exactly is stopping a high schooler of any color from becoming successful? What law is prohibiting them from becoming as powerful and educated as they want? I’m truly wondering what you are talking about, how will you face a 17 year old and tell them “you can’t do this because of your race” in 2020? And my children aren’t white by the way.


NP. I agree with this wholeheartedly. Do I think racism exists? Yes, it does and we need to work on it as a country. But do I think that here in 2020, that there is something prohibiting black and brown kids from being successful in school? Absolutely NOT despite what liberals want you to believe.


Dispatches from a low-performing urban district. It just happens that 90% of students here are Black or Latino, funny how that happens. Our kids get the crumbling school. Our kids get the cancelled theatre program because building inspectors designated the theatre as unsafe. Our kids have trashcans catching leaks in every school I"ve been in recently. Many of our kids don't have access to advanced academic classes, particularly in math and science. Our kids get long-term subs with no content knowlege.30% of our teachers are chronically absent. When teachers did a work to rule union action, that meant no extra help, no factulty for afterschool activities, and no recommendatio letters. Our school system is being sued by the DOJ for violating requirement for informing parents about their children's rights to ELL services and not providing those services. Our kids work multiple jobs to help out at home, or they watch their siblings and cousins so adults can work. When our kids play away games against non-urban districts, the crowds chant "USA, USA" or "Trump, Trump."

This system exists because of racism, because of an existential fear of what would happen if these kids got all they deserved and were competing against the kids with all the advantages.



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Anonymous wrote:Hard work and determination made slaves successful? Allowed Black people to thrive under American apartheid (Jim Crow laws)? Allowed Black people to build wealth under systems of red-lining?

I think you need to hop off your silver spoon.

And you need to hop over to 2020, none of these things are stopping anyone from being successful today. The biggest barrier to success are terrible parents telling their children that someone or something is stopping them from being somebody.


Is it that you don't think it matters that the average white family has 10 times more wealth than the average Black family (just one of many examples of the way historical racism continues to play out), or that you think that doesn't have anything to do with our history of centuries of racism and racial injustice?

Legal segregation and other forms of explicit and major structural racism have been over for less than 60 years. Little Ruby Bridges who integrated her school under brutally racist circumstances is only 66 years old today. How quickly do you think all the effects of this stuff disappear?

It's like you beat a person bloody and then start yelling at them as they lie battered on the floor "Why aren't you getting up? I'm not hitting you anymore! You must just be lazy and weak..."

What are you blathering about? What exactly is stopping a high schooler of any color from becoming successful? What law is prohibiting them from becoming as powerful and educated as they want? I’m truly wondering what you are talking about, how will you face a 17 year old and tell them “you can’t do this because of your race” in 2020? And my children aren’t white by the way.


NP. I agree with this wholeheartedly. Do I think racism exists? Yes, it does and we need to work on it as a country. But do I think that here in 2020, that there is something prohibiting black and brown kids from being successful in school? Absolutely NOT despite what liberals want you to believe.


Dispatches from a low-performing urban district. It just happens that 90% of students here are Black or Latino, funny how that happens. Our kids get the crumbling school. Our kids get the cancelled theatre program because building inspectors designated the theatre as unsafe. Our kids have trashcans catching leaks in every school I"ve been in recently. Many of our kids don't have access to advanced academic classes, particularly in math and science. Our kids get long-term subs with no content knowlege.30% of our teachers are chronically absent. When teachers did a work to rule union action, that meant no extra help, no factulty for afterschool activities, and no recommendatio letters. Our school system is being sued by the DOJ for violating requirement for informing parents about their children's rights to ELL services and not providing those services. Our kids work multiple jobs to help out at home, or they watch their siblings and cousins so adults can work. When our kids play away games against non-urban districts, the crowds chant "USA, USA" or "Trump, Trump."

This system exists because of racism, because of an existential fear of what would happen if these kids got all they deserved and were competing against the kids with all the advantages.





And whose fault is it that the poor minority kids get the crumbling schools? Interesting that Montgomery County the land of the progressive liberals who claim to care for black and brown students have ignored them for so long.Check out Southlake elementary school and tell me whose fault that is. Check out Neelsville MS and tell me about that. And then you wonder why people with means avoid these schools?
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I feel bad for white people who are being held accountable today for the actions of their ancestors. I can see why there is a lot of pushback.


Most of the US are immigrants. Unless you are the very few whose ancestors were plantation owners, there's nothing to be held accountable for. Asian people didn't own slaves, in fact, most of them were mistreated horribly themselves. Same with Mexicans. Indians. Even the Europeans like the ones from Russia and Ireland who lived in filthy cramped rooms in cities at the turn of the century. That doesn't mean that racism doesn't exist but every culture has issues with oppression. I went to a majority black school and the problem wasn't racism. The problem was that the community itself didn't value education. It valued becoming a rapper or football player or entertainer. I had smart black friends who were constantly bullied for acting white just because they chose to speak well and excel at school. You can't help a community that refuses to address the problems that they themselves have also created. We can tackle racism (I'm not denying it exists) but there's got to be some of accountability in the community as well.



Well said. And the experience of many Americans.


Except it completely disregards that the immigrants they talk about look white. I am an immigrant and my son will never have to walk or drive in fear that the police might kill him. As long as he is in public school, my son will go to a school where the PTA raises tens of thousands of dollars. He will be amongst kids who mostly have 2-parent homes, no food shortages etc. etc.
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Anonymous wrote:Hard work and determination made slaves successful? Allowed Black people to thrive under American apartheid (Jim Crow laws)? Allowed Black people to build wealth under systems of red-lining?

I think you need to hop off your silver spoon.

And you need to hop over to 2020, none of these things are stopping anyone from being successful today. The biggest barrier to success are terrible parents telling their children that someone or something is stopping them from being somebody.


Is it that you don't think it matters that the average white family has 10 times more wealth than the average Black family (just one of many examples of the way historical racism continues to play out), or that you think that doesn't have anything to do with our history of centuries of racism and racial injustice?

Legal segregation and other forms of explicit and major structural racism have been over for less than 60 years. Little Ruby Bridges who integrated her school under brutally racist circumstances is only 66 years old today. How quickly do you think all the effects of this stuff disappear?

It's like you beat a person bloody and then start yelling at them as they lie battered on the floor "Why aren't you getting up? I'm not hitting you anymore! You must just be lazy and weak..."


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What are you blathering about? What exactly is stopping a high schooler of any color from becoming successful? What law is prohibiting them from becoming as powerful and educated as they want? I’m truly wondering what you are talking about, how will you face a 17 year old and tell them “you can’t do this because of your race” in 2020? And my children aren’t white by the way.


NP. I agree with this wholeheartedly. Do I think racism exists? Yes, it does and we need to work on it as a country. But do I think that here in 2020, that there is something prohibiting black and brown kids from being successful in school? Absolutely NOT despite what liberals want you to believe.


Dispatches from a low-performing urban district. It just happens that 90% of students here are Black or Latino, funny how that happens. Our kids get the crumbling school. Our kids get the cancelled theatre program because building inspectors designated the theatre as unsafe. Our kids have trashcans catching leaks in every school I"ve been in recently. Many of our kids don't have access to advanced academic classes, particularly in math and science. Our kids get long-term subs with no content knowlege.30% of our teachers are chronically absent. When teachers did a work to rule union action, that meant no extra help, no factulty for afterschool activities, and no recommendatio letters. Our school system is being sued by the DOJ for violating requirement for informing parents about their children's rights to ELL services and not providing those services. Our kids work multiple jobs to help out at home, or they watch their siblings and cousins so adults can work. When our kids play away games against non-urban districts, the crowds chant "USA, USA" or "Trump, Trump."

This system exists because of racism, because of an existential fear of what would happen if these kids got all they deserved and were competing against the kids with all the advantages.



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And because there are DIRECT lines from what was instituted by law in the past to what exists now. How is that so hard to understand for some people?
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How can you feel sorry for white people who have to clean up their ancestors mess? I mean if we are using a system that uphold some of what those ancestors did?

I encourage everyone to read ‘Ego is the Enemy.’ I think that’s a lot of what goes on around here, even with the owner of this site who said to come back to this thread because there ‘already was one,’ despite the fact that many many threads are recycled. But I understand that thread was full of anger, ignorance, and hate.

We can all work together but we actually have to acknowledge our system isn’t equitable. Being white doesn’t mean you’re a bad person, rich, or any other stereotype.
If you don’t know something Google it, or ask a POC who is a friend.

I think POC should also stop acting like we can’t succeed at all or that we can’t also uphold white supremacy by upholding colorism.

We can advocate for low SES poc to receive more but also keep higher SES children receiving good things too.
I feel like people believe there’s a lack of resources and they want to keep it for themselves. Ego is the enemy.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hard work and determination made slaves successful? Allowed Black people to thrive under American apartheid (Jim Crow laws)? Allowed Black people to build wealth under systems of red-lining?

I think you need to hop off your silver spoon.

And you need to hop over to 2020, none of these things are stopping anyone from being successful today. The biggest barrier to success are terrible parents telling their children that someone or something is stopping them from being somebody.


Is it that you don't think it matters that the average white family has 10 times more wealth than the average Black family (just one of many examples of the way historical racism continues to play out), or that you think that doesn't have anything to do with our history of centuries of racism and racial injustice?

Legal segregation and other forms of explicit and major structural racism have been over for less than 60 years. Little Ruby Bridges who integrated her school under brutally racist circumstances is only 66 years old today. How quickly do you think all the effects of this stuff disappear?

It's like you beat a person bloody and then start yelling at them as they lie battered on the floor "Why aren't you getting up? I'm not hitting you anymore! You must just be lazy and weak..."

What are you blathering about? What exactly is stopping a high schooler of any color from becoming successful? What law is prohibiting them from becoming as powerful and educated as they want? I’m truly wondering what you are talking about, how will you face a 17 year old and tell them “you can’t do this because of your race” in 2020? And my children aren’t white by the way.


NP. Your head is so far in the sand it isn't worth the time to pull it out and have you sputter sand in our eye. Do you. But youre wrong.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:How can you feel sorry for white people who have to clean up their ancestors mess? I mean if we are using a system that uphold some of what those ancestors did?

I encourage everyone to read ‘Ego is the Enemy.’ I think that’s a lot of what goes on around here, even with the owner of this site who said to come back to this thread because there ‘already was one,’ despite the fact that many many threads are recycled. But I understand that thread was full of anger, ignorance, and hate.

We can all work together but we actually have to acknowledge our system isn’t equitable. Being white doesn’t mean you’re a bad person, rich, or any other stereotype.
If you don’t know something Google it, or ask a POC who is a friend.

I think POC should also stop acting like we can’t succeed at all or that we can’t also uphold white supremacy by upholding colorism.

We can advocate for low SES poc to receive more but also keep higher SES children receiving good things too.
I feel like people believe there’s a lack of resources and they want to keep it for themselves. Ego is the enemy.


It is all very complicated. People aren't. But the issues that divide us (and unite us) are.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hard work and determination made slaves successful? Allowed Black people to thrive under American apartheid (Jim Crow laws)? Allowed Black people to build wealth under systems of red-lining?

I think you need to hop off your silver spoon.

And you need to hop over to 2020, none of these things are stopping anyone from being successful today. The biggest barrier to success are terrible parents telling their children that someone or something is stopping them from being somebody.


Is it that you don't think it matters that the average white family has 10 times more wealth than the average Black family (just one of many examples of the way historical racism continues to play out), or that you think that doesn't have anything to do with our history of centuries of racism and racial injustice?

Legal segregation and other forms of explicit and major structural racism have been over for less than 60 years. Little Ruby Bridges who integrated her school under brutally racist circumstances is only 66 years old today. How quickly do you think all the effects of this stuff disappear?

It's like you beat a person bloody and then start yelling at them as they lie battered on the floor "Why aren't you getting up? I'm not hitting you anymore! You must just be lazy and weak..."

What are you blathering about? What exactly is stopping a high schooler of any color from becoming successful? What law is prohibiting them from becoming as powerful and educated as they want? I’m truly wondering what you are talking about, how will you face a 17 year old and tell them “you can’t do this because of your race” in 2020? And my children aren’t white by the way.


NP. I agree with this wholeheartedly. Do I think racism exists? Yes, it does and we need to work on it as a country. But do I think that here in 2020, that there is something prohibiting black and brown kids from being successful in school? Absolutely NOT despite what liberals want you to believe.


Dispatches from a low-performing urban district. It just happens that 90% of students here are Black or Latino, funny how that happens. Our kids get the crumbling school. Our kids get the cancelled theatre program because building inspectors designated the theatre as unsafe. Our kids have trashcans catching leaks in every school I"ve been in recently. Many of our kids don't have access to advanced academic classes, particularly in math and science. Our kids get long-term subs with no content knowlege.30% of our teachers are chronically absent. When teachers did a work to rule union action, that meant no extra help, no factulty for afterschool activities, and no recommendatio letters. Our school system is being sued by the DOJ for violating requirement for informing parents about their children's rights to ELL services and not providing those services. Our kids work multiple jobs to help out at home, or they watch their siblings and cousins so adults can work. When our kids play away games against non-urban districts, the crowds chant "USA, USA" or "Trump, Trump."

This system exists because of racism, because of an existential fear of what would happen if these kids got all they deserved and were competing against the kids with all the advantages.


This situation exists because parents refuse to take a stand and demand better. And please don’t say we are not in a wealthy area and can’t protest the horrible school conditions. The DMV has elected officials who reflect the diversity of the area. I have YET to see anyone call out Bowser or Ferebee to the point where WaPo is doing stories on it - and we know they would eat it up.
Oh, and these “advantages” of other kids you speak of? Not everyone on sound financial footing is a trust fund baby. Lots of years of school, hard work, bad jobs and long hours equal giving our kids the best education we can afford. Put your violin away. Consider advocating to those politicians you elected to get a better education provided for your children.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hard work and determination made slaves successful? Allowed Black people to thrive under American apartheid (Jim Crow laws)? Allowed Black people to build wealth under systems of red-lining?

I think you need to hop off your silver spoon.

And you need to hop over to 2020, none of these things are stopping anyone from being successful today. The biggest barrier to success are terrible parents telling their children that someone or something is stopping them from being somebody.


Is it that you don't think it matters that the average white family has 10 times more wealth than the average Black family (just one of many examples of the way historical racism continues to play out), or that you think that doesn't have anything to do with our history of centuries of racism and racial injustice?

Legal segregation and other forms of explicit and major structural racism have been over for less than 60 years. Little Ruby Bridges who integrated her school under brutally racist circumstances is only 66 years old today. How quickly do you think all the effects of this stuff disappear?

It's like you beat a person bloody and then start yelling at them as they lie battered on the floor "Why aren't you getting up? I'm not hitting you anymore! You must just be lazy and weak..."

What are you blathering about? What exactly is stopping a high schooler of any color from becoming successful? What law is prohibiting them from becoming as powerful and educated as they want? I’m truly wondering what you are talking about, how will you face a 17 year old and tell them “you can’t do this because of your race” in 2020? And my children aren’t white by the way.


NP. I agree with this wholeheartedly. Do I think racism exists? Yes, it does and we need to work on it as a country. But do I think that here in 2020, that there is something prohibiting black and brown kids from being successful in school? Absolutely NOT despite what liberals want you to believe.


Dispatches from a low-performing urban district. It just happens that 90% of students here are Black or Latino, funny how that happens. Our kids get the crumbling school. Our kids get the cancelled theatre program because building inspectors designated the theatre as unsafe. Our kids have trashcans catching leaks in every school I"ve been in recently. Many of our kids don't have access to advanced academic classes, particularly in math and science. Our kids get long-term subs with no content knowlege.30% of our teachers are chronically absent. When teachers did a work to rule union action, that meant no extra help, no factulty for afterschool activities, and no recommendatio letters. Our school system is being sued by the DOJ for violating requirement for informing parents about their children's rights to ELL services and not providing those services. Our kids work multiple jobs to help out at home, or they watch their siblings and cousins so adults can work. When our kids play away games against non-urban districts, the crowds chant "USA, USA" or "Trump, Trump."

This system exists because of racism, because of an existential fear of what would happen if these kids got all they deserved and were competing against the kids with all the advantages.




Extra funding will only help so much. Good schools start with good parents. The lack of access to advanced math classes exits because math teachers don’t want to deal with disciplinary problems, not because kids are black or brown.
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Anonymous wrote:Interesting series so far.

I'm curious as to what kind of policies she'd recommend at the end of this.


That’s the key. Right now there doesn’t seem to be a good answer that promotes equity when the people in power want to keep their advantages....


Obvious answer is that parents of whites will need to give up their kids unearned privilege.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Interesting series so far.

I'm curious as to what kind of policies she'd recommend at the end of this.


That’s the key. Right now there doesn’t seem to be a good answer that promotes equity when the people in power want to keep their advantages....


Obvious answer is that parents of whites will need to give up their kids unearned privilege.


ok Pol Pot, you can get right on that
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Interesting series so far.

I'm curious as to what kind of policies she'd recommend at the end of this.


That’s the key. Right now there doesn’t seem to be a good answer that promotes equity when the people in power want to keep their advantages....


Obvious answer is that parents of whites will need to give up their kids unearned privilege.


ok Pol Pot, you can get right on that


- said the fragile racist white parent. Why is it so difficult for you to at least confront your privilege?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Interesting series so far.

I'm curious as to what kind of policies she'd recommend at the end of this.


That’s the key. Right now there doesn’t seem to be a good answer that promotes equity when the people in power want to keep their advantages....


Obvious answer is that parents of whites will need to give up their kids unearned privilege.


ok Pol Pot, you can get right on that


- said the fragile racist white parent. Why is it so difficult for you to at least confront your privilege?


Maybe schools for separate races is the only way to get equity. Give more money and resources to the Black schools than the White schools and mandate segregation.
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