Here is why we should close schools now.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:One of the things you see on this thread is an unwillingness to realize we are in uncharted territory. We may have to consider disruptions that seem unthinkable to us.

I recommend following Scott Gottlieb on Twitter (Former FDA chief under Trump), Jeremy Konyndyk (ebola response Obama), Juliette Kayyem (deputy Homeland Security Obama), science journalist Helen Branswell,


A LOT of people are in denial. Clearly. Come back here in 4 weeks and see what these same people are saying
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are lots of people teaching and working in other capacities at schools who are 60+, are you okay with younger subs taking over those classes and jobs for weeks or months?


Yes. As mentioned there would be financial subsidy for older workers who have to stay home.


I want a financial subsidy to stay home!

How about old people just retire or use savings? I’m so sick of subsidizing their choices.


Why is everyone in this thread so entitled?


+1

My MIL worked in a factory until just a couple years ago. She didn’t attend college because of systemic racism and a generally shitty economy in her home state. She gets SS and a tiny retirement payment. Thankfully the house is paid off or she’d still work.
Anonymous
FCPS and Moco parents bi*** about a freakin 2 hr delay on DCUM. You think closing schools for an indefinite period would fly with this crowd? They have no childcare backups in place and cannot successfully create social networks to assist them with their childcare needs.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:One of the things you see on this thread is an unwillingness to realize we are in uncharted territory. We may have to consider disruptions that seem unthinkable to us.

I recommend following Scott Gottlieb on Twitter (Former FDA chief under Trump), Jeremy Konyndyk (ebola response Obama), Juliette Kayyem (deputy Homeland Security Obama), science journalist Helen Branswell,


A LOT of people are in denial. Clearly. Come back here in 4 weeks and see what these same people are saying


Innumeracy rears its ugly head. Lots of overeducated posters with fancy liberal arts and law degrees unable to understand how exponential functions behave.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:One of the things you see on this thread is an unwillingness to realize we are in uncharted territory. We may have to consider disruptions that seem unthinkable to us.

I recommend following Scott Gottlieb on Twitter (Former FDA chief under Trump), Jeremy Konyndyk (ebola response Obama), Juliette Kayyem (deputy Homeland Security Obama), science journalist Helen Branswell,


A LOT of people are in denial. Clearly. Come back here in 4 weeks and see what these same people are saying


Innumeracy rears its ugly head. Lots of overeducated posters with fancy liberal arts and law degrees unable to understand how exponential functions behave.


Were those exponential functions applied to the H1N1 in 2009? Just curious, if so, what they predicted.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:One of the things you see on this thread is an unwillingness to realize we are in uncharted territory. We may have to consider disruptions that seem unthinkable to us.

I recommend following Scott Gottlieb on Twitter (Former FDA chief under Trump), Jeremy Konyndyk (ebola response Obama), Juliette Kayyem (deputy Homeland Security Obama), science journalist Helen Branswell,


A LOT of people are in denial. Clearly. Come back here in 4 weeks and see what these same people are saying


Innumeracy rears its ugly head. Lots of overeducated posters with fancy liberal arts and law degrees unable to understand how exponential functions behave.


Were those exponential functions applied to the H1N1 in 2009? Just curious, if so, what they predicted.


There was a vaccine for H1N1 in 2009. There will not be one for coronavirus in 2020.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:One of the things you see on this thread is an unwillingness to realize we are in uncharted territory. We may have to consider disruptions that seem unthinkable to us.

I recommend following Scott Gottlieb on Twitter (Former FDA chief under Trump), Jeremy Konyndyk (ebola response Obama), Juliette Kayyem (deputy Homeland Security Obama), science journalist Helen Branswell,


A LOT of people are in denial. Clearly. Come back here in 4 weeks and see what these same people are saying


Innumeracy rears its ugly head. Lots of overeducated posters with fancy liberal arts and law degrees unable to understand how exponential functions behave.


Were those exponential functions applied to the H1N1 in 2009? Just curious, if so, what they predicted.


There was a vaccine for H1N1 in 2009. There will not be one for coronavirus in 2020.


Not what I asked. But thanks. The H1N1 was not developed until 10 months into the pandemic, long after spread slowed down almost to a halt. But long after thousands of deaths.
Anonymous
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Were those exponential functions applied to the H1N1 in 2009? Just curious, if so, what they predicted.


Yes. There was a ton of social distancing guidance issued early on, but in the end it turned out the virus was considered to be milder than seasonal flu, so the virus was more or less allowed to spread with little mitigation applied.

I think King County Washington may have been one area where schools were closed earlier than usual as a preemptive measure, but it backfired on them because other venues didn't close so kids congregated in other areas and spread occurred anyhow. That's possibly one reason they are having trouble closing now: that bad experience.

Here's copies of all the guidance issued in May 2009 for h1N1 Swine Flu

Remember that at the time it was issued the severity was still in doubt -- but no one was seeing 10% of cases in intensive care at the time. We certainly didn't have 2 months' worth of notice and the news of massive lockdowns in China etc.

https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/schools
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:I wonder what the reaction would be if this virus primarily hit children, teens, and young adults the hardest.

My guess is there would be a lot of "get back to work" going on.

What’s the age of the youngest person hit?


Must be China's youngest case, a five day old baby.
Discharged as fully recovered last week a month after contracting the illness..
Anonymous
actually here's a list of all the CDC updates on H1N1 starting April 23 2009

https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/updates/

Here's a sample page:

https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/updates/051809.htm

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:There are lots of people teaching and working in other capacities at schools who are 60+, are you okay with younger subs taking over those classes and jobs for weeks or months?


I'm in my early 40s and subbed for years. No way in hell would I be willing to sub when there's a widespread public health risk. There would not be many people willing to do this for ~$100/day.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are lots of people teaching and working in other capacities at schools who are 60+, are you okay with younger subs taking over those classes and jobs for weeks or months?


I'm in my early 40s and subbed for years. No way in hell would I be willing to sub when there's a widespread public health risk. There would not be many people willing to do this for ~$100/day.

Even younger people who are around their 60+ family often would logically not want to risk spreading it to them.
What we need is a self-quarantine strike. Everyone should tell as many of their contacts as they can to stay home on a given day. Thatl teach em.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are lots of people teaching and working in other capacities at schools who are 60+, are you okay with younger subs taking over those classes and jobs for weeks or months?


I'm in my early 40s and subbed for years. No way in hell would I be willing to sub when there's a widespread public health risk. There would not be many people willing to do this for ~$100/day.


Younger subs? There are not any sub. Have you been following the sun shortage before this and how many jobs we have that don’t get filled every day? Teachers cover each other on our planning blocks and many of the subs we have in my school are retired teachers coming back to work part time.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are lots of people teaching and working in other capacities at schools who are 60+, are you okay with younger subs taking over those classes and jobs for weeks or months?


I'm in my early 40s and subbed for years. No way in hell would I be willing to sub when there's a widespread public health risk. There would not be many people willing to do this for ~$100/day.


So districts will lower standards to 18 with a HS Diploma. Oh, and you can work “under supervision” while we complete your background check” because the schools must remain open.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are lots of people teaching and working in other capacities at schools who are 60+, are you okay with younger subs taking over those classes and jobs for weeks or months?


I'm in my early 40s and subbed for years. No way in hell would I be willing to sub when there's a widespread public health risk. There would not be many people willing to do this for ~$100/day.


Younger subs? There are not any sub. Have you been following the sun shortage before this and how many jobs we have that don’t get filled every day? Teachers cover each other on our planning blocks and many of the subs we have in my school are retired teachers coming back to work part time.

Please abolish mandatory public schools. Kids learn nothing in them, they kill so many kids, and they are logistical nightmares. There’s literally no reason everyone has to go to school, only for schools to waste valuable resources like teachers on kids who don’t even care while those who do lag behind.
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