Guiliani, Trump, and Ukraine

[Anonymous]

She describes the hallowing out of the State Department - goes much deeper than Ukraine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She describes the hallowing out of the State Department - goes much deeper than Ukraine.

That was Tillerson's directive and he took to it energetically and with great effectiveness.

[Anonymous]

"With respect to Mayor Giuliani, I have had only minimal contacts with him—a total of three that I recall. None related to the events at issue. I do not know Mr. Giuliani’s motives for attacking me. But individuals who have been named in the press as contacts of Mr. Giuliani may well have believed that their personal financial ambitions were stymied by our anti-corruption policy in Ukraine."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yovanovitch's prepared statement

https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/read-marie-yovanovitch-s-prepared-deposition-statement/dffbf543-a373-46e0-a957-bc12a9371af4/

"... Today, we see the State Department attacked and hollowed out from within. State Department leadership, with Congress, needs to take action now to defend this great institution, and its thousands of loyal and effective employees. We need to rebuild diplomacy as the first resort to advance America’s interests and the front line of America’s defense. I fear that not doing so will harm our nation’s interest, perhaps irreparably.

That harm will come not just through the inevitable and continuing resignation and loss of many of this nation’s most loyal and talented public servants. It also will come when those diplomats who soldier on and do their best to represent our nation face partners abroad who question whether the ambassador truly speaks for the President and can be counted upon as a reliable partner. The harm will come when private interests circumvent professional diplomats for their own gain, not the public good. The harm will come when bad actors in countries beyond Ukraine see how easy it is to use fiction and innuendo to manipulate our system. In such circumstances, the only interests that will be served are those of our strategic adversaries, like Russia, that spread chaos and attack the institutions and norms that the U.S. helped create and which we have benefited from for the last 75 years.

[Anonymous]

The timing in 2018 matters.

Rudy claims late 2018, she said this was summer.

Need to line up with Mueller investigation, Javelin missile sales, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the more appropriate question is .... Is it appropriate for Joe Biden to make funds to Ukraine contingent on the firing of a prosecutor.
This is quid pro quo.

Why is the media not looking into this?

This has been investigated and debunked ( we can all agree that Hunter is not a savory character). The point is that Hunter is not running for President and Trump was trying to discredit his political opponent, using impeachable methods.

I said nothing about Hunter.

Two years after leaving office, Joe Biden couldn’t resist the temptation last year to brag to an audience of foreign policy specialists about the time as vice president that he strong-armed Ukraine into firing its top prosecutor.

In his own words, with video cameras rolling, Biden described how he threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.


“I said, ‘You’re not getting the billion.’ I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,’” Biden recalled telling Poroshenko.

“Well, son of a bitch, he got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time,” Biden told the Council on Foreign Relations event, insisting that President Obama was in on the threat.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/436816-joe-bidens-2020-ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived

Lest you not believe the story, look at the video beginning at 1:20.

maybe if he was doing it to benefit his son, WHICH HE WAS NOT, AND WHICH HAS BEEN COMPLETELY AND ABSOLUTELY DEBUNKED, you might have a point.

As it is, you're just making damned fools out of yourselves with this crap.

via Imgflip Meme Generator

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yovanovitch's prepared statement

https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/read-marie-yovanovitch-s-prepared-deposition-statement/dffbf543-a373-46e0-a957-bc12a9371af4/

"... Today, we see the State Department attacked and hollowed out from within. State Department leadership, with Congress, needs to take action now to defend this great institution, and its thousands of loyal and effective employees. We need to rebuild diplomacy as the first resort to advance America’s interests and the front line of America’s defense. I fear that not doing so will harm our nation’s interest, perhaps irreparably.

That harm will come not just through the inevitable and continuing resignation and loss of many of this nation’s most loyal and talented public servants. It also will come when those diplomats who soldier on and do their best to represent our nation face partners abroad who question whether the ambassador truly speaks for the President and can be counted upon as a reliable partner. The harm will come when private interests circumvent professional diplomats for their own gain, not the public good. The harm will come when bad actors in countries beyond Ukraine see how easy it is to use fiction and innuendo to manipulate our system. In such circumstances, the only interests that will be served are those of our strategic adversaries, like Russia, that spread chaos and attack the institutions and norms that the U.S. helped create and which we have benefited from for the last 75 years.

Wow!!

[Anonymous]

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Hardly.

There are so many cross connections between Firtash and the Trump inner circle, it is virtually impossible not to implicate just about everyone in the "inner circle" just based on what we know publicly. Even the EU Ambassador is going to testify, because he knows the gig is up and wants to minimize his exposure to this.

Not even GOP senators are defending this. How can they? They all took money from these people.

Dream on.

Dream on?

Did you not see the news yesterday about the two people arrested and how they funneled hundreds f thousands into GOP coffers?
Do you not remember GOP Senators spending July 4th in Moscow?
Do you not remember the NRA and Butina and millions of dollars going into the GOP including McConnell's PAC?

Seriously, we can have an honest debate on the merits, but if you are just going to ignore facts and make pithy statements, then a conversation cannot be had.

I see a lot of blown about charges and accusations. I don't see much (if any) proof.

[Anonymous]

Bottom line, the whole Hunter Biden thing is Russian propaganda. There is no "there" there and it is being pushed and amplified by individuals hostile to the United States.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Hardly.

There are so many cross connections between Firtash and the Trump inner circle, it is virtually impossible not to implicate just about everyone in the "inner circle" just based on what we know publicly. Even the EU Ambassador is going to testify, because he knows the gig is up and wants to minimize his exposure to this.

Not even GOP senators are defending this. How can they? They all took money from these people.

Dream on.

Dream on?

Did you not see the news yesterday about the two people arrested and how they funneled hundreds f thousands into GOP coffers?
Do you not remember GOP Senators spending July 4th in Moscow?
Do you not remember the NRA and Butina and millions of dollars going into the GOP including McConnell's PAC?

Seriously, we can have an honest debate on the merits, but if you are just going to ignore facts and make pithy statements, then a conversation cannot be had.

I see a lot of blown about charges and accusations. I don't see much (if any) proof.

Then you aren't looking. Try different sources of information, starting with the unsealed indictments from yesterdays arrests.

[Anonymous]

It's all connected.

https://twitter.com/MsMariaT/status/1025782564290588672

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line, the whole Hunter Biden thing is Russian propaganda. There is no "there" there and it is being pushed and amplified by individuals hostile to the United States.

The truly sad and frightening part of this is that it includes the President of the United States and his associates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line, the whole Hunter Biden thing is Russian propaganda. There is no "there" there and it is being pushed and amplified by individuals hostile to the United States.

The truly sad and frightening part of this is that it includes the President of the United States and his associates.

Features, not includes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line, the whole Hunter Biden thing is Russian propaganda. There is no "there" there and it is being pushed and amplified by individuals hostile to the United States.

The truly sad and frightening part of this is that it includes the President of the United States and his associates.

Features, not includes.

I disagree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line, the whole Hunter Biden thing is Russian propaganda. There is no "there" there and it is being pushed and amplified by individuals hostile to the United States.

The truly sad and frightening part of this is that it includes the President of the United States and his associates.

Features, not includes.

I disagree.

I think PP meant that the President only serves himself and cannot even begin to understand anyone else's interests separate from himself, including the country's interest.