Shortage of "economically attractive" men reason for marriage decline according to new study

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Anonymous wrote:I make six digits, and more than my teacher wife. But I wear the pants. The kids and her can't get out the door in the morning without my hustling them. Make dinner? Me. Scouts and sports? Me. Leaders in all. Church too. Not her. In a nutshell, I'm a good dad, economically attractive and even physically decent...with one caveat: I'm short. Women literally overlooked me while they looked for tall dark and handsome. We have several single X-gen female friends who, while they have done very well career wise, are not happy with not finding a man. My guess is women are passing over lots of good men, economically attractive men, because they still harbor Disney delusions of how he should look.

Being short is your problem, not theirs. Some men won't date a heavier woman either. Oh, well.

Not the same. Overweight people can lose weight (with rare exceptions). Short people can't just decide to grow.

Even if they could lose the weight, some men wouldn't want to date an over weight woman. They are not going to see her and think, "Oh, she's nice, and she can lose the weight so I will date her". Similar for flat chested women. Yes, they can get boob jobs, but men who like big chested women are not going to look at a flat chested woman and think, "potential with boob job".

Even if a man thought, "potential with boob job" as someone with small boobs, that would never happen. Either you like me or your don't... Weight is a health issue and I can even see why people could have an issue outside of how unattractive people see it as.

maybe some women don't want short men because they don't want short children, sort of biological thing. Isn't that why men say they are attracted to women who are not too fat or too skinny.. something about biology and fertility.

Not PP, but attractive figures (to both men and women) are tied to evolutionary biology. [b]Tall, powerful men are best able to bring home the bison meat and protect women and their offspring from pterodactyl attack. Women with figures that suggest fertility are most attractive to men.

Remember attraction is not a choice. These attraction traits are locked in a part of our brain we can't control.

I think your brain has bigger issues than controlling "attraction traits".

Hahahaha! PP is such a dumbass!

I like fat women because they are most capable of bestriding Triceratops.

Yes but a smart modern man will simply buy that meat at a supermarket. Maybe that's why things are struggling at the moment, women now want a smarter man than the one who fought a bison yeons ago.

Yes, this is modern woman's dilemma. The part of her brain she controls knows that being provided for and protected is not dependent on a man's stature, as it was 20,000 years ago. She continues to be physically attracted to height and strength, however. She can't help it and it is not wrong.

Signed, a man.

Yes she can. There are plenty of ugly, dumb, tall men. Height is only one variable in someone's appearance. I am classically attractive and would pick short, handsome, smart every time over tall and mediocre

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Anonymous wrote:I make six digits, and more than my teacher wife. But I wear the pants. The kids and her can't get out the door in the morning without my hustling them. Make dinner? Me. Scouts and sports? Me. Leaders in all. Church too. Not her. In a nutshell, I'm a good dad, economically attractive and even physically decent...with one caveat: I'm short. Women literally overlooked me while they looked for tall dark and handsome. We have several single X-gen female friends who, while they have done very well career wise, are not happy with not finding a man. My guess is women are passing over lots of good men, economically attractive men, because they still harbor Disney delusions of how he should look.

Being short is your problem, not theirs. Some men won't date a heavier woman either. Oh, well.

Not the same. Overweight people can lose weight (with rare exceptions). Short people can't just decide to grow.

Even if they could lose the weight, some men wouldn't want to date an over weight woman. They are not going to see her and think, "Oh, she's nice, and she can lose the weight so I will date her". Similar for flat chested women. Yes, they can get boob jobs, but men who like big chested women are not going to look at a flat chested woman and think, "potential with boob job".

Even if a man thought, "potential with boob job" as someone with small boobs, that would never happen. Either you like me or your don't... Weight is a health issue and I can even see why people could have an issue outside of how unattractive people see it as.

maybe some women don't want short men because they don't want short children, sort of biological thing. Isn't that why men say they are attracted to women who are not too fat or too skinny.. something about biology and fertility.

Not PP, but attractive figures (to both men and women) are tied to evolutionary biology. [b]Tall, powerful men are best able to bring home the bison meat and protect women and their offspring from pterodactyl attack. Women with figures that suggest fertility are most attractive to men.

Remember attraction is not a choice. These attraction traits are locked in a part of our brain we can't control.

I think your brain has bigger issues than controlling "attraction traits".

Hahahaha! PP is such a dumbass!

I like fat women because they are most capable of bestriding Triceratops.

Yes but a smart modern man will simply buy that meat at a supermarket. Maybe that's why things are struggling at the moment, women now want a smarter man than the one who fought a bison yeons ago.

Yes, this is modern woman's dilemma. The part of her brain she controls knows that being provided for and protected is not dependent on a man's stature, as it was 20,000 years ago. She continues to be physically attracted to height and strength, however. She can't help it and it is not wrong.

Signed, a man.

Yes she can. There are plenty of ugly, dumb, tall men. Height is only one variable in someone's appearance. I am classically attractive and would pick short, handsome, smart every time over tall and mediocre

LOL sure

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. As a young man, I tried to do the right thing. I dated women who could stand to lose a few pounds, not the most attractive on the basis that they would be better people than the 8s, 9s, and 10s that have their choice of men. Boy, was I wrong! They proved to be just as entitled and treated me just as badly as I feared the attractive women would.

After that experience, I decided that it was 7s or better for me. At least if I was going to be treated poorly, I’d enjoy the ride. Except that didn’t happen. Found a hottie who appreciated me and married her.

TL; DR: Men, don’t settle.

Women feel the same way. Stay in your lane, ladies.

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Anonymous wrote:I married someone outside of my “comfort zone” because I simply wasn’t having any success with my initial criteria. I ended up with someone from a different region (NE vs south) and a different religion. Ideally I would have found someone my religion in my hometown (a mid sized city.)

It has worked out but has required much compromise. But what in life doesn’t?

I think there is compromise always, but when one person carries the other financially it can be a burden. I have been in relationships where my goals financially and career wise are light years ahead and eventually those relationships fell apart because I wasn't meeting my goals because I was carrying them.

Compromising on religion or politics, I could live with.

It’s only a burden for women. Historically, men have nearly always financially carried women.

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Anonymous wrote:I make six digits, and more than my teacher wife. But I wear the pants. The kids and her can't get out the door in the morning without my hustling them. Make dinner? Me. Scouts and sports? Me. Leaders in all. Church too. Not her. In a nutshell, I'm a good dad, economically attractive and even physically decent...with one caveat: I'm short. Women literally overlooked me while they looked for tall dark and handsome. We have several single X-gen female friends who, while they have done very well career wise, are not happy with not finding a man. My guess is women are passing over lots of good men, economically attractive men, because they still harbor Disney delusions of how he should look.

Being short is your problem, not theirs. Some men won't date a heavier woman either. Oh, well.

Not the same. Overweight people can lose weight (with rare exceptions). Short people can't just decide to grow.

Even if they could lose the weight, some men wouldn't want to date an over weight woman. They are not going to see her and think, "Oh, she's nice, and she can lose the weight so I will date her". Similar for flat chested women. Yes, they can get boob jobs, but men who like big chested women are not going to look at a flat chested woman and think, "potential with boob job".

Even if a man thought, "potential with boob job" as someone with small boobs, that would never happen. Either you like me or your don't... Weight is a health issue and I can even see why people could have an issue outside of how unattractive people see it as.

maybe some women don't want short men because they don't want short children, sort of biological thing. Isn't that why men say they are attracted to women who are not too fat or too skinny.. something about biology and fertility.

Not PP, but attractive figures (to both men and women) are tied to evolutionary biology. [b]Tall, powerful men are best able to bring home the bison meat and protect women and their offspring from pterodactyl attack. Women with figures that suggest fertility are most attractive to men.

Remember attraction is not a choice. These attraction traits are locked in a part of our brain we can't control.

I think your brain has bigger issues than controlling "attraction traits".

Hahahaha! PP is such a dumbass!

I like fat women because they are most capable of bestriding Triceratops.

Yes but a smart modern man will simply buy that meat at a supermarket. Maybe that's why things are struggling at the moment, women now want a smarter man than the one who fought a bison yeons ago.

Yes, this is modern woman's dilemma. The part of her brain she controls knows that being provided for and protected is not dependent on a man's stature, as it was 20,000 years ago. She continues to be physically attracted to height and strength, however. She can't help it and it is not wrong.

Signed, a man.

Yes this is what people say. However look around you. 90% of the men I work for are not tall or show strength however most of them are married and dating. One tall guy skinny married, the other tall guy a bit bulky and not dating, the other tall guy that's fit is married. If you are thinking of being attractive that goes the same for females, the attractive fit females will get more males attention same as the men however everyone ends up married.

Being provided for eons ago mean't finding someone with strength, being provided for in today's age means having money and a career.

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However look around you. 90% of the men I work for are not tall or show strength however most of them are married and dating. One tall guy skinny married, the other tall guy a bit bulky and not dating, the other tall guy that's fit is married. If you are thinking of being attractive that goes the same for females, the attractive fit females will get more males attention same as the men however everyone ends up married.

Uh, no. Looking around my office, no, not everybody ends up married.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank God I graduated from Ivy undergrad and grad school, am attractive, and tall.

I wouldn't let a woman less than an eight even SMD. No joke. You ever see the vast majority of women over 30? They're disgusting beasts.

Men always have and always will have the upper hand.

I don't follow your logic. It may be true that you have the upper hand over most women, but how does it follow that all men have the upper hand over all women?

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Anonymous wrote:Thank God I graduated from Ivy undergrad and grad school, am attractive, and tall.

I wouldn't let a woman less than an eight even SMD. No joke. You ever see the vast majority of women over 30? They're disgusting beasts.

Men always have and always will have the upper hand.

So sad that an Ivy League education was wasted on someone like you. I’m sure women adore you.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank God I graduated from Ivy undergrad and grad school, am attractive, and tall.

I wouldn't let a woman less than an eight even SMD. No joke. You ever see the vast majority of women over 30? They're disgusting beasts.

Men always have and always will have the upper hand.

I don't follow your logic. It may be true that you have the upper hand over most women, but how does it follow that all men have the upper hand over all women?

Women even write to men in prison, and wait for prisoners to get released to sleep with them.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/2019/09/09/marriage-rate-study-economically-unattractive-mxp-vpx.hln


This story discusses a Cornell study that says the reason that US marriage rates are at an all time low is because there is a shortage of economically attractive men. They are labeling economically unattractive as lacking a bachelors degree or making less than $40,000 a year. Apparently women are reluctant to "marry down" so are remaining single instead. Assuming this study is valid, why do you think there is such a shortage of men who are "economically attractive" to women?

Because some women think they are deserving of a Kardashian existence -- too much reality television.

Unmarried woman here. I make much more than 100K a year, own my home, and have a degree. I'm not at all uncommon in this area.

Why should I marry a guy who makes less than me? Doesn't own a home? And can't provide me a higher standard of living than I can for myself?

Especially considering the childbearing years and work would effectively halve my own income.

I'm genuinely curious.

Men do it all the time. Why not? If you meet somebody you love?

Female here who has NEVER thought of it this way, but now realize I should have. However, the man-child + childbearing thing still holds.

The issue here is that women have traditionally been expected to do housework and child care, while men have not. Why on earth would you marry someone who expects that AND makes less than you? Women aren't that stupid.

I would have no problem with dating someone making less than me if they were also willing to consider being a SAHP and taking over household duties... but that's pretty rare (wonder why?)