Deal is tremendously overcrowded - something is to give

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Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.

You will loose diversity. As housing increases in Ward 3 you will see a less diverse area. This will sound bad but I will say it. Wilson and Deal will go from have the number 1 athletic programs to being last. If you think I am exaggerating go to a basketball and football game.

Honestly, who cares. I'd wager that in-boundary parents wouldn't really mind if Wilson were to lose every darn football game henceforth in a less diverse area if the academics were to improve by leaps and bounds. We need strong public schools to afford to stay in the city while ensuring that our children have a bright future. The City needs to prioritize creating neighborhood high schools most in-boundary parents are excited about, vs. cramming droves of OOB students into the one by-right DCPS HS most IB parents will use.

I take offense to this. My son is AA and a staight A student. He not only brings diversity but helps boost the test scores. Also, some folks are so hell bent on OOB student when they contribute to less than 13% of the student body. Crowding is occuring because of Lafayette which has a dismal OOB population.

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We need to get out of the either-or game. There should not be a debate about serving underperforming students or challenging stronger students. We need to DEMAND that DCPS does both. This is not a resource issue — DCPS is very well-funded. Instead, it’s a leadership challenge.

We need:
- a focus early literacy
- early intervention
- a strategy for underperforming schools.
- better middle schools
- better ESL
- better CTE
- better IB and AP options
- expansion of PRE-3
- better STEM

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Anonymous wrote:Make Coolidge a test-in, city-wide IB middle and high school with non-IB right of entry track for residents of Ward 4 EOTP only. Change feeder pattern for EOTP Ward 4 schools including Shepherd to Coolidge. Takoma is in NW - why can't it be the new "Western" high school?

Why only change the feeder pattern for part of a ward? Why wouldn't all of Ward 4 go to the new school? Hmm.

Because the ward boundaries shift according to reappointionment. They have little meaning or relationship to geography, patterns of living, etc. If you ask folks in the Kafayette district - Chevy Chase Dac, etc. their orientation and affinity is with those areas WOTP, not with Ward 4 across the park.

I think most parents would rather stab themselves in the eyeball than take, e.g., Military Rd from CC, DC to Takoma - which is essentially across town, unless they were doing so for a magnet program. Whereas cutting over from Shepherd Park to Piney Branch is NBD.

Shepherd resident here. I truly dont mind since I go that way to drop my oldest off at St. Johns. Simple commute.

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I've never been able to see how poor kids benefit when droves of high SES families of all races who can't afford privates vote with their feet and move from the District over school concerns. The tide has been stemmed, but real only in the Wilson pyramid.

A more practical Mayor and city council would prioritize keeping high SES families in the system to help all boats rise with the tide. I don't think that most white parents in DCPS are racist as much as they're realists. Parents with children in diverse DCPS schools learn that all it takes to disrupt learning in big ES and MS classes are a few really needy kids. That's why far more middle school honors classes are needed to retain families, along with scrapping 9th grade "honors for all" at Wilson.

When I was a kid in one of the poorest communities in an affluent zone in the state of NY, I was bused to a HS in an affluent area of the county for advanced classes not taught at my school, e.g. BC calc and AP physics. I went on to MIT. What gets around goes around in education with good planning, a pragmatic orientation and a spirit of sharing.

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Anonymous wrote:Make Coolidge a test-in, city-wide IB middle and high school with non-IB right of entry track for residents of Ward 4 EOTP only. Change feeder pattern for EOTP Ward 4 schools including Shepherd to Coolidge. Takoma is in NW - why can't it be the new "Western" high school?

Why only change the feeder pattern for part of a ward? Why wouldn't all of Ward 4 go to the new school? Hmm.

Because the ward boundaries shift according to reappointionment. They have little meaning or relationship to geography, patterns of living, etc. If you ask folks in the Kafayette district - Chevy Chase Dac, etc. their orientation and affinity is with those areas WOTP, not with Ward 4 across the park.

I think most parents would rather stab themselves in the eyeball than take, e.g., Military Rd from CC, DC to Takoma - which is essentially across town, unless they were doing so for a magnet program. Whereas cutting over from Shepherd Park to Piney Branch is NBD.

Shepherd resident here. I truly dont mind since I go that way to drop my oldest off at St. Johns. Simple commute.

+1. It takes me 8 minutes to get to Deal, about 8 mins to get to Bryce Harper next to Coolidge.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.

You will loose diversity. As housing increases in Ward 3 you will see a less diverse area. This will sound bad but I will say it. Wilson and Deal will go from have the number 1 athletic programs to being last. If you think I am exaggerating go to a basketball and football game.

Honestly, who cares. I'd wager that in-boundary parents wouldn't really mind if Wilson were to lose every darn football game henceforth in a less diverse area if the academics were to improve by leaps and bounds. We need strong public schools to afford to stay in the city while ensuring that our children have a bright future. The City needs to prioritize creating neighborhood high schools most in-boundary parents are excited about, vs. cramming droves of OOB students into the one by-right DCPS HS most IB parents will use.

I take offense to this. My son is AA and a staight A student. He not only brings diversity but helps boost the test scores. Also, some folks are so hell bent on OOB student when they contribute to less than 13% of the student body. Crowding is occuring because of Lafayette which has a dismal OOB population.

Im confused, Wilson is 41% OOB.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need to get out of the either-or game. There should not be a debate about serving underperforming students or challenging stronger students. We need to DEMAND that DCPS does both. This is not a resource issue — DCPS is very well-funded. Instead, it’s a leadership challenge.

We need:
- a focus early literacy
- early intervention
- a strategy for underperforming schools.
- better middle schools
- better ESL
- better CTE
- better IB and AP options
- expansion of PRE-3
- better STEM

Nice list! Unfortunately, never going to happen with the current Deputy Chiefs and Chiefs in Central Office. Many have been around for 5 years or more and are thoroughly mediocre if that.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Make Coolidge a test-in, city-wide IB middle and high school with non-IB right of entry track for residents of Ward 4 EOTP only. Change feeder pattern for EOTP Ward 4 schools including Shepherd to Coolidge. Takoma is in NW - why can't it be the new "Western" high school?

Why only change the feeder pattern for part of a ward? Why wouldn't all of Ward 4 go to the new school? Hmm.

Because the ward boundaries shift according to reappointionment. They have little meaning or relationship to geography, patterns of living, etc. If you ask folks in the Kafayette district - Chevy Chase Dac, etc. their orientation and affinity is with those areas WOTP, not with Ward 4 across the park.

I think most parents would rather stab themselves in the eyeball than take, e.g., Military Rd from CC, DC to Takoma - which is essentially across town, unless they were doing so for a magnet program. Whereas cutting over from Shepherd Park to Piney Branch is NBD.

Shepherd resident here. I truly dont mind since I go that way to drop my oldest off at St. Johns. Simple commute.

+1. It takes me 8 minutes to get to Deal, about 8 mins to get to Bryce Harper next to Coolidge.

Right , but the same cannot be said for WOTp.

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Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.

You will loose diversity. As housing increases in Ward 3 you will see a less diverse area. This will sound bad but I will say it. Wilson and Deal will go from have the number 1 athletic programs to being last. If you think I am exaggerating go to a basketball and football game.

Honestly, who cares. I'd wager that in-boundary parents wouldn't really mind if Wilson were to lose every darn football game henceforth in a less diverse area if the academics were to improve by leaps and bounds. We need strong public schools to afford to stay in the city while ensuring that our children have a bright future. The City needs to prioritize creating neighborhood high schools most in-boundary parents are excited about, vs. cramming droves of OOB students into the one by-right DCPS HS most IB parents will use.

+ 100

But if most DCPS kids are from disadvantaged background--77%, based on recent data--why should they cater to one (albeit growing) demographic? Even on its face, that just seems like a bad idea. I'd imagine this is the perspective from which DCPS is operating--i.e., how to best serve the majority.

https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/DCPS%20Fast%20Facts%202017-18.pdf

Totally disagree, as a low-income minority who grew up in NYC and attended high-powered neighborhood schools (in Queens). You sound like a white bleeding heart, PP. In NYC, few school system leaders have been troubled by "bad ideas" like GT programs and prioritizing high-octane academics. They've understood that one good way to serve the majority is to keep as many affluent and ambitious parents in the system as possible. I was darn lucky that the NYC public schools catered to advanced students across the board, regardless of background. My cousins in Chicago, who attended Michelle Obama's alma mater, had similar experiences in school.

DCPS is simply poorly run and low-ambition by comparison. Voters should demand more.

PP, I'm black. I'm not opposed to programs like G&T; I benefited from these myself. I was only calling out the somewhat myopic focus on their own interests that a few WOTP posters here seem to have. Note several PPs who've essentially said here and in the other similar thread that they don't care at all about diversity, and simply want their kids in a high-performing (affluent, mostly white) cohort. I am saying that DCPS presumably does not share their vision re: the best way forward for DCPS.

I would actually love to see more options for high-achieving kids of all backgrounds, especially on the elementary level. However, DCPS must balance the needs of the majority too. I'd imagine anything that looks like it's catering to the former and/or increasing segregation won't have legs.

The days of poor Blacks being a majority are limited. Policy should be based on the future weighed against the rate of return. Most money spent trying to lift dependent populations out of dependence are wasted and little progress. Note DC spends record amounts per student yet the only reason poverty is shrinking in the city is that it is moving out. Get something world class and DC schools, then let it spread from there.

DC continues to gentrify. IMHO the trend can’t come fast enough, as it will decrease crime, social ills, dependence on public services, etc. and improve the overall quality of the public schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.

You will loose diversity. As housing increases in Ward 3 you will see a less diverse area. This will sound bad but I will say it. Wilson and Deal will go from have the number 1 athletic programs to being last. If you think I am exaggerating go to a basketball and football game.

Honestly, who cares. I'd wager that in-boundary parents wouldn't really mind if Wilson were to lose every darn football game henceforth in a less diverse area if the academics were to improve by leaps and bounds. We need strong public schools to afford to stay in the city while ensuring that our children have a bright future. The City needs to prioritize creating neighborhood high schools most in-boundary parents are excited about, vs. cramming droves of OOB students into the one by-right DCPS HS most IB parents will use.

+ 100

But if most DCPS kids are from disadvantaged background--77%, based on recent data--why should they cater to one (albeit growing) demographic? Even on its face, that just seems like a bad idea. I'd imagine this is the perspective from which DCPS is operating--i.e., how to best serve the majority.

https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/DCPS%20Fast%20Facts%202017-18.pdf

Totally disagree, as a low-income minority who grew up in NYC and attended high-powered neighborhood schools (in Queens). You sound like a white bleeding heart, PP. In NYC, few school system leaders have been troubled by "bad ideas" like GT programs and prioritizing high-octane academics. They've understood that one good way to serve the majority is to keep as many affluent and ambitious parents in the system as possible. I was darn lucky that the NYC public schools catered to advanced students across the board, regardless of background. My cousins in Chicago, who attended Michelle Obama's alma mater, had similar experiences in school.

DCPS is simply poorly run and low-ambition by comparison. Voters should demand more.

PP, I'm black. I'm not opposed to programs like G&T; I benefited from these myself. I was only calling out the somewhat myopic focus on their own interests that a few WOTP posters here seem to have. Note several PPs who've essentially said here and in the other similar thread that they don't care at all about diversity, and simply want their kids in a high-performing (affluent, mostly white) cohort. I am saying that DCPS presumably does not share their vision re: the best way forward for DCPS.

I would actually love to see more options for high-achieving kids of all backgrounds, especially on the elementary level. However, DCPS must balance the needs of the majority too. I'd imagine anything that looks like it's catering to the former and/or increasing segregation won't have legs.

The days of poor Blacks being a majority are limited. Policy should be based on the future weighed against the rate of return. Most money spent trying to lift dependent populations out of dependence are wasted and little progress. Note DC spends record amounts per student yet the only reason poverty is shrinking in the city is that it is moving out. Get something world class and DC schools, then let it spread from there.

DC continues to gentrify. IMHO the trend can’t come fast enough, as it will decrease crime, social ills, dependence on public services, etc. and improve the overall quality of the public schools.

So it will be full of entitled and angry white people, greaaaaaaaat. I moved EotP from AU Park to get away from that element. It isn’t a healthy or nice environment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.

You will loose diversity. As housing increases in Ward 3 you will see a less diverse area. This will sound bad but I will say it. Wilson and Deal will go from have the number 1 athletic programs to being last. If you think I am exaggerating go to a basketball and football game.

Honestly, who cares. I'd wager that in-boundary parents wouldn't really mind if Wilson were to lose every darn football game henceforth in a less diverse area if the academics were to improve by leaps and bounds. We need strong public schools to afford to stay in the city while ensuring that our children have a bright future. The City needs to prioritize creating neighborhood high schools most in-boundary parents are excited about, vs. cramming droves of OOB students into the one by-right DCPS HS most IB parents will use.

+ 100

But if most DCPS kids are from disadvantaged background--77%, based on recent data--why should they cater to one (albeit growing) demographic? Even on its face, that just seems like a bad idea. I'd imagine this is the perspective from which DCPS is operating--i.e., how to best serve the majority.

https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/DCPS%20Fast%20Facts%202017-18.pdf

Totally disagree, as a low-income minority who grew up in NYC and attended high-powered neighborhood schools (in Queens). You sound like a white bleeding heart, PP. In NYC, few school system leaders have been troubled by "bad ideas" like GT programs and prioritizing high-octane academics. They've understood that one good way to serve the majority is to keep as many affluent and ambitious parents in the system as possible. I was darn lucky that the NYC public schools catered to advanced students across the board, regardless of background. My cousins in Chicago, who attended Michelle Obama's alma mater, had similar experiences in school.

DCPS is simply poorly run and low-ambition by comparison. Voters should demand more.

PP, I'm black. I'm not opposed to programs like G&T; I benefited from these myself. I was only calling out the somewhat myopic focus on their own interests that a few WOTP posters here seem to have. Note several PPs who've essentially said here and in the other similar thread that they don't care at all about diversity, and simply want their kids in a high-performing (affluent, mostly white) cohort. I am saying that DCPS presumably does not share their vision re: the best way forward for DCPS.

I would actually love to see more options for high-achieving kids of all backgrounds, especially on the elementary level. However, DCPS must balance the needs of the majority too. I'd imagine anything that looks like it's catering to the former and/or increasing segregation won't have legs.

The days of poor Blacks being a majority are limited. Policy should be based on the future weighed against the rate of return. Most money spent trying to lift dependent populations out of dependence are wasted and little progress. Note DC spends record amounts per student yet the only reason poverty is shrinking in the city is that it is moving out. Get something world class and DC schools, then let it spread from there.

DC continues to gentrify. IMHO the trend can’t come fast enough, as it will decrease crime, social ills, dependence on public services, etc. and improve the overall quality of the public schools.

So it will be full of entitled and angry white people, greaaaaaaaat. I moved EotP from AU Park to get away from that element. It isn’t a healthy or nice environment.

It will be full of upper middle class people of various races. Cities change. You can’t stop progress. There’s still affordable housing in PG.

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Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.

You will loose diversity. As housing increases in Ward 3 you will see a less diverse area. This will sound bad but I will say it. Wilson and Deal will go from have the number 1 athletic programs to being last. If you think I am exaggerating go to a basketball and football game.

Honestly, who cares. I'd wager that in-boundary parents wouldn't really mind if Wilson were to lose every darn football game henceforth in a less diverse area if the academics were to improve by leaps and bounds. We need strong public schools to afford to stay in the city while ensuring that our children have a bright future. The City needs to prioritize creating neighborhood high schools most in-boundary parents are excited about, vs. cramming droves of OOB students into the one by-right DCPS HS most IB parents will use.

+ 100

But if most DCPS kids are from disadvantaged background--77%, based on recent data--why should they cater to one (albeit growing) demographic? Even on its face, that just seems like a bad idea. I'd imagine this is the perspective from which DCPS is operating--i.e., how to best serve the majority.

https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/DCPS%20Fast%20Facts%202017-18.pdf

Totally disagree, as a low-income minority who grew up in NYC and attended high-powered neighborhood schools (in Queens). You sound like a white bleeding heart, PP. In NYC, few school system leaders have been troubled by "bad ideas" like GT programs and prioritizing high-octane academics. They've understood that one good way to serve the majority is to keep as many affluent and ambitious parents in the system as possible. I was darn lucky that the NYC public schools catered to advanced students across the board, regardless of background. My cousins in Chicago, who attended Michelle Obama's alma mater, had similar experiences in school.

DCPS is simply poorly run and low-ambition by comparison. Voters should demand more.

PP, I'm black. I'm not opposed to programs like G&T; I benefited from these myself. I was only calling out the somewhat myopic focus on their own interests that a few WOTP posters here seem to have. Note several PPs who've essentially said here and in the other similar thread that they don't care at all about diversity, and simply want their kids in a high-performing (affluent, mostly white) cohort. I am saying that DCPS presumably does not share their vision re: the best way forward for DCPS.

I would actually love to see more options for high-achieving kids of all backgrounds, especially on the elementary level. However, DCPS must balance the needs of the majority too. I'd imagine anything that looks like it's catering to the former and/or increasing segregation won't have legs.

The days of poor Blacks being a majority are limited. Policy should be based on the future weighed against the rate of return. Most money spent trying to lift dependent populations out of dependence are wasted and little progress. Note DC spends record amounts per student yet the only reason poverty is shrinking in the city is that it is moving out. Get something world class and DC schools, then let it spread from there.

DC continues to gentrify. IMHO the trend can’t come fast enough, as it will decrease crime, social ills, dependence on public services, etc. and improve the overall quality of the public schools.

So it will be full of entitled and angry white people, greaaaaaaaat. I moved EotP from AU Park to get away from that element. It isn’t a healthy or nice environment.

Don't believe. Someone who can't stand AU Park woulnd't have chosen to be located in AU Park for any period of time to begin with. Plus, AU Park is such a tame place, not angry at all, but easily criticized for its easily obvious boring-ness. If you actually think boring and white = racist, then you're just exhibiting your own sheltered experience.

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Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.

You will loose diversity. As housing increases in Ward 3 you will see a less diverse area. This will sound bad but I will say it. Wilson and Deal will go from have the number 1 athletic programs to being last. If you think I am exaggerating go to a basketball and football game.

Honestly, who cares. I'd wager that in-boundary parents wouldn't really mind if Wilson were to lose every darn football game henceforth in a less diverse area if the academics were to improve by leaps and bounds. We need strong public schools to afford to stay in the city while ensuring that our children have a bright future. The City needs to prioritize creating neighborhood high schools most in-boundary parents are excited about, vs. cramming droves of OOB students into the one by-right DCPS HS most IB parents will use.

+ 100

But if most DCPS kids are from disadvantaged background--77%, based on recent data--why should they cater to one (albeit growing) demographic? Even on its face, that just seems like a bad idea. I'd imagine this is the perspective from which DCPS is operating--i.e., how to best serve the majority.

https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/DCPS%20Fast%20Facts%202017-18.pdf

Totally disagree, as a low-income minority who grew up in NYC and attended high-powered neighborhood schools (in Queens). You sound like a white bleeding heart, PP. In NYC, few school system leaders have been troubled by "bad ideas" like GT programs and prioritizing high-octane academics. They've understood that one good way to serve the majority is to keep as many affluent and ambitious parents in the system as possible. I was darn lucky that the NYC public schools catered to advanced students across the board, regardless of background. My cousins in Chicago, who attended Michelle Obama's alma mater, had similar experiences in school.

DCPS is simply poorly run and low-ambition by comparison. Voters should demand more.

PP, I'm black. I'm not opposed to programs like G&T; I benefited from these myself. I was only calling out the somewhat myopic focus on their own interests that a few WOTP posters here seem to have. Note several PPs who've essentially said here and in the other similar thread that they don't care at all about diversity, and simply want their kids in a high-performing (affluent, mostly white) cohort. I am saying that DCPS presumably does not share their vision re: the best way forward for DCPS.

I would actually love to see more options for high-achieving kids of all backgrounds, especially on the elementary level. However, DCPS must balance the needs of the majority too. I'd imagine anything that looks like it's catering to the former and/or increasing segregation won't have legs.

The days of poor Blacks being a majority are limited. Policy should be based on the future weighed against the rate of return. Most money spent trying to lift dependent populations out of dependence are wasted and little progress. Note DC spends record amounts per student yet the only reason poverty is shrinking in the city is that it is moving out. Get something world class and DC schools, then let it spread from there.

DC continues to gentrify. IMHO the trend can’t come fast enough, as it will decrease crime, social ills, dependence on public services, etc. and improve the overall quality of the public schools.

A city that can't house its working class is not a very sustainable city.

The real answer for DC involves massively increasing dense housing supply -- a combination of building higher, upzoning single-family-home areas, YIMBYism, and traditional gov't affordable housing.

For the people who aren't happy with upper NW attitudes and Deal and Wilson: lobby for upzoning northwest so we can actually build apartment buildings there and bring down the cost of housing in the Deal and Oyster etc inbounds areas. The obstacle right now is NIMBYism, where AU Park residents don't want dense housing.

For the people who like gentrification: the city is going to tear itself apart if we continue to fail to build real housing. You can have a city of only rich people, I suppose, but it's not very socially stable and you risk unrest. So lobby for building higher around DC and building more transit so traffic doesn't turn further into East Coast Carmageddon.

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Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.

You will loose diversity. As housing increases in Ward 3 you will see a less diverse area. This will sound bad but I will say it. Wilson and Deal will go from have the number 1 athletic programs to being last. If you think I am exaggerating go to a basketball and football game.

Honestly, who cares. I'd wager that in-boundary parents wouldn't really mind if Wilson were to lose every darn football game henceforth in a less diverse area if the academics were to improve by leaps and bounds. We need strong public schools to afford to stay in the city while ensuring that our children have a bright future. The City needs to prioritize creating neighborhood high schools most in-boundary parents are excited about, vs. cramming droves of OOB students into the one by-right DCPS HS most IB parents will use.

+ 100

But if most DCPS kids are from disadvantaged background--77%, based on recent data--why should they cater to one (albeit growing) demographic? Even on its face, that just seems like a bad idea. I'd imagine this is the perspective from which DCPS is operating--i.e., how to best serve the majority.

https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/DCPS%20Fast%20Facts%202017-18.pdf

Totally disagree, as a low-income minority who grew up in NYC and attended high-powered neighborhood schools (in Queens). You sound like a white bleeding heart, PP. In NYC, few school system leaders have been troubled by "bad ideas" like GT programs and prioritizing high-octane academics. They've understood that one good way to serve the majority is to keep as many affluent and ambitious parents in the system as possible. I was darn lucky that the NYC public schools catered to advanced students across the board, regardless of background. My cousins in Chicago, who attended Michelle Obama's alma mater, had similar experiences in school.

DCPS is simply poorly run and low-ambition by comparison. Voters should demand more.

PP, I'm black. I'm not opposed to programs like G&T; I benefited from these myself. I was only calling out the somewhat myopic focus on their own interests that a few WOTP posters here seem to have. Note several PPs who've essentially said here and in the other similar thread that they don't care at all about diversity, and simply want their kids in a high-performing (affluent, mostly white) cohort. I am saying that DCPS presumably does not share their vision re: the best way forward for DCPS.

I would actually love to see more options for high-achieving kids of all backgrounds, especially on the elementary level. However, DCPS must balance the needs of the majority too. I'd imagine anything that looks like it's catering to the former and/or increasing segregation won't have legs.

The days of poor Blacks being a majority are limited. Policy should be based on the future weighed against the rate of return. Most money spent trying to lift dependent populations out of dependence are wasted and little progress. Note DC spends record amounts per student yet the only reason poverty is shrinking in the city is that it is moving out. Get something world class and DC schools, then let it spread from there.

DC continues to gentrify. IMHO the trend can’t come fast enough, as it will decrease crime, social ills, dependence on public services, etc. and improve the overall quality of the public schools.

A city that can't house its working class is not a very sustainable city.

The real answer for DC involves massively increasing dense housing supply -- a combination of building higher, upzoning single-family-home areas, YIMBYism, and traditional gov't affordable housing.

For the people who aren't happy with upper NW attitudes and Deal and Wilson: lobby for upzoning northwest so we can actually build apartment buildings there and bring down the cost of housing in the Deal and Oyster etc inbounds areas. The obstacle right now is NIMBYism, where AU Park residents don't want dense housing.

For the people who like gentrification: the city is going to tear itself apart if we continue to fail to build real housing. You can have a city of only rich people, I suppose, but it's not very socially stable and you risk unrest. So lobby for building higher around DC and building more transit so traffic doesn't turn further into East Coast Carmageddon.

And we are back to the title of this thread.

How is “upzoning” NW going to address the problem of going overcrowded schools in NW and, by extension, schools operating under capacity in other parts of the city?

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Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.

You will loose diversity. As housing increases in Ward 3 you will see a less diverse area. This will sound bad but I will say it. Wilson and Deal will go from have the number 1 athletic programs to being last. If you think I am exaggerating go to a basketball and football game.

Honestly, who cares. I'd wager that in-boundary parents wouldn't really mind if Wilson were to lose every darn football game henceforth in a less diverse area if the academics were to improve by leaps and bounds. We need strong public schools to afford to stay in the city while ensuring that our children have a bright future. The City needs to prioritize creating neighborhood high schools most in-boundary parents are excited about, vs. cramming droves of OOB students into the one by-right DCPS HS most IB parents will use.

+ 100

But if most DCPS kids are from disadvantaged background--77%, based on recent data--why should they cater to one (albeit growing) demographic? Even on its face, that just seems like a bad idea. I'd imagine this is the perspective from which DCPS is operating--i.e., how to best serve the majority.

https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/DCPS%20Fast%20Facts%202017-18.pdf

Totally disagree, as a low-income minority who grew up in NYC and attended high-powered neighborhood schools (in Queens). You sound like a white bleeding heart, PP. In NYC, few school system leaders have been troubled by "bad ideas" like GT programs and prioritizing high-octane academics. They've understood that one good way to serve the majority is to keep as many affluent and ambitious parents in the system as possible. I was darn lucky that the NYC public schools catered to advanced students across the board, regardless of background. My cousins in Chicago, who attended Michelle Obama's alma mater, had similar experiences in school.

DCPS is simply poorly run and low-ambition by comparison. Voters should demand more.

PP, I'm black. I'm not opposed to programs like G&T; I benefited from these myself. I was only calling out the somewhat myopic focus on their own interests that a few WOTP posters here seem to have. Note several PPs who've essentially said here and in the other similar thread that they don't care at all about diversity, and simply want their kids in a high-performing (affluent, mostly white) cohort. I am saying that DCPS presumably does not share their vision re: the best way forward for DCPS.

I would actually love to see more options for high-achieving kids of all backgrounds, especially on the elementary level. However, DCPS must balance the needs of the majority too. I'd imagine anything that looks like it's catering to the former and/or increasing segregation won't have legs.

The days of poor Blacks being a majority are limited. Policy should be based on the future weighed against the rate of return. Most money spent trying to lift dependent populations out of dependence are wasted and little progress. Note DC spends record amounts per student yet the only reason poverty is shrinking in the city is that it is moving out. Get something world class and DC schools, then let it spread from there.

DC continues to gentrify. IMHO the trend can’t come fast enough, as it will decrease crime, social ills, dependence on public services, etc. and improve the overall quality of the public schools.

So it will be full of entitled and angry white people, greaaaaaaaat. I moved EotP from AU Park to get away from that element. It isn’t a healthy or nice environment.

Don't believe. Someone who can't stand AU Park woulnd't have chosen to be located in AU Park for any period of time to begin with. Plus, AU Park is such a tame place, not angry at all, but easily criticized for its easily obvious boring-ness. If you actually think boring and white = racist, then you're just exhibiting your own sheltered experience.

Agree. This is made up. Au park is many things but it isn’t full of angry people.