Getting into St. Albans

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Could it be that the non-Beauvoir boys coming into St. Albans have higher math scores because the admissions committee can be more selective in choosing them? It's pretty hard to tell (at the K level) who is going to be an academic superstar (and yes, while St. Albans can reject some Beauvoir students, they do seem to accept most of them). It becomes easier at the 4th grade level, and probably progressively easier on up through the grades. It would be interesting to look at St. Albans' top tenth percentile and figure out when they were admitted. Just a thought.....

I think you got it! The range in performance comes from the Beauvoir boys and they cherry pick the "best" from other schools. Therefore many Beauvoir boys look poorly prepared relatively. Most National Merit Semi-finalists come from the LS and of that majority half start in 4th. Some of the strongest came from Beauvoir! Look it up!

2008, 6 out 10 of the National Merit semifinalists from STA are Beauvoir alum. Unclear when the remaining 4 on the list were admitted at STA. There were two finalists in '08 one was a Beauvoir alum and the other a non-Beauvoirian.

In my view, the academic "super stars" are members of STA's Cum Laude Society (academic honorary). Of the 16 members in '08 who were inducted, 7 of the 16 were Beauvoir alum. Many of its members were also '08 National Merit semifinalists. Again, unclear when the other members (9) were admitted at STA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope NCS families are nicer than this.

Hate to crush the hope. But mean families = mean girls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could it be that the non-Beauvoir boys coming into St. Albans have higher math scores because the admissions committee can be more selective in choosing them? It's pretty hard to tell (at the K level) who is going to be an academic superstar (and yes, while St. Albans can reject some Beauvoir students, they do seem to accept most of them). It becomes easier at the 4th grade level, and probably progressively easier on up through the grades. It would be interesting to look at St. Albans' top tenth percentile and figure out when they were admitted. Just a thought.....

I think you got it! The range in performance comes from the Beauvoir boys and they cherry pick the "best" from other schools. Therefore many Beauvoir boys look poorly prepared relatively. Most National Merit Semi-finalists come from the LS and of that majority half start in 4th. Some of the strongest came from Beauvoir! Look it up!

2008, 6 out 10 of the National Merit semifinalists from STA are Beauvoir alum. Unclear when the remaining 4 on the list were admitted at STA. There were two finalists in '08 one was a Beauvoir alum and the other a non-Beauvoirian.

In my view, the academic "super stars" are members of STA's Cum Laude Society (academic honorary). Of the 16 members in '08 who were inducted, 7 of the 16 were Beauvoir alum. Many of its members were also '08 National Merit semifinalists. Again, unclear when the other members (9) were admitted at STA.

For people who have access to the numbers - can you say 7 Beauvoir alum out of x. 9 non-Beauvoir alum out of x. It seems that if the sta class is mostly Beauvoir-alum then proportionally, the non-Beauvoir students outperform.

[Anonymous]

The 4th grade class is mostly Beauvoir alums. But by the time they're in high school, many more boys have been admitted to the class, so by then they may be only a quarter of the class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could it be that the non-Beauvoir boys coming into St. Albans have higher math scores because the admissions committee can be more selective in choosing them? It's pretty hard to tell (at the K level) who is going to be an academic superstar (and yes, while St. Albans can reject some Beauvoir students, they do seem to accept most of them). It becomes easier at the 4th grade level, and probably progressively easier on up through the grades. It would be interesting to look at St. Albans' top tenth percentile and figure out when they were admitted. Just a thought.....

I think you got it! The range in performance comes from the Beauvoir boys and they cherry pick the "best" from other schools. Therefore many Beauvoir boys look poorly prepared relatively. Most National Merit Semi-finalists come from the LS and of that majority half start in 4th. Some of the strongest came from Beauvoir! Look it up!

2008, 6 out 10 of the National Merit semifinalists from STA are Beauvoir alum. Unclear when the remaining 4 on the list were admitted at STA. There were two finalists in '08 one was a Beauvoir alum and the other a non-Beauvoirian.

You are discounting the fact that many of the highly able academic students from Virginia choose to go to Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology. That is an entire school not a subset program like Montgomery Blair which also draws off from STA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The 4th grade class is mostly Beauvoir alums. But by the time they're in high school, many more boys have been admitted to the class, so by then they may be only a quarter of the class.

What percentage of Beauvoir alums typically drop out (for whatever reason) before graduating 8 years down the road?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hope NCS families are nicer than this.

Hate to crush the hope. But mean families = mean girls.

Come on! Mean families and mean girls exist everywhere, from the trailor trash girls at my public school growing up, to the snooty elitist prep school girls that I went to college with! Seriously, you can't stereotype a whole school for goodness sakes! (BTW I am not a NCS parent).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The 4th grade class is mostly Beauvoir alums. But by the time they're in high school, many more boys have been admitted to the class, so by then they may be only a quarter of the class.

What percentage of Beauvoir alums typically drop out (for whatever reason) before graduating 8 years down the road?

Based upon '08's graduating class there were only 18 Beauvoir alum remaining out of the roughly 30 that entered in c form. Of that 18, 33% became National Merit semifinalists. There were 75 graduates in the 2008 class, 24% of them were Beauvoir alum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope NCS families are nicer than this.

Hate to crush the hope. But mean families = mean girls.

Come on! Mean families and mean girls exist everywhere, from the trailor trash girls at my public school growing up, to the snooty elitist prep school girls that I went to college with! Seriously, you can't stereotype a whole school for goodness sakes! (BTW I am not a NCS parent).

Right on!

My comment was nasty and inappropriate. Had this encounter happened In person, I would have politely bit my tongue.

No worries, there are some really nice families at both STA & NCS who I'm sure will really enjoying meeting you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The 4th grade class is mostly Beauvoir alums. But by the time they're in high school, many more boys have been admitted to the class, so by then they may be only a quarter of the class.

What percentage of Beauvoir alums typically drop out (for whatever reason) before graduating 8 years down the road?

Based upon '08's graduating class there were only 18 Beauvoir alum remaining out of the roughly 30 that entered in c form. Of that 18, 33% became National Merit semifinalists. There were 75 graduates in the 2008 class, 24% of them were Beauvoir alum.

Where did the other 12 boys from Beauvoir go? I thought that STA prided itself on a very low attrition rate. At what point do they leave STA and are they asked to leave or do they just leave on their own?

[Anonymous]

A lot of boys go on to boarding school. How surprising is this really? Most children don't stay K-12 at the same school or with the same peer group. Check the numbers at the local k-12 private schools and it's probably around 25% who actually graduate after attending for 12 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

In my view, the academic "super stars" are members of STA's Cum Laude Society (academic honorary). Of the 16 members in '08 who were inducted, 7 of the 16 were Beauvoir alum. Many of its members were also '08 National Merit semifinalists. Again, unclear when the other members (9) were admitted at STA.

Class of 2008

National Merit Semifinalists: 5 from Beauvoir (All from the same 3rd grade class, actually), 1 entered in 5th, 3 entered in 7th, 1 entered in 10th

Cum Laude: 6 from Beauvoir, 1 entered in 4th, 1 entered in 5th, 5 entered in 7th, 1 entered in 8th, 2 entered in 9th

8 of the 10 National Merit Semifinalists were also members of Cum Laude

[Anonymous]

Also, there were 22 Beauvoir graduates in the class of 2008

[Anonymous]

I think you're mixing apples and oranges (in terms of the entering class in 2008/09 versus the graduating class of 2008).

In any event, from a casual observation it doesn't look like Beauvoir is dragging down the institution. Although Beauvoir alum represent only about a quarter of the graduating class from St. Albans in any given year, at least in the graduating class of 2008 they represented more than their share in both National Merit Scholars (accounting for half) and cum laude graduates (accounting for three-eighths).

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know how many Beauvoir students have accepted admission at St. Alban's for next school year?