Harvey Weinstein

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody said Paltrow lied. I just think she was rather naive and put herself in a bad situation. Lesson learned. I bet she never took a meeting alone with a strange man again.

All you people who think it's nbd to go to hotel rooms alone with a stranger are lucky your bones haven't been made into windchimes. A healthy dose of distrust and precaution would be a good thing.

You're ridiculous. Harvard Law School had its on-campus interviews in hotel rooms when I was there. You would have just skipped job interviews? I assume, in addition to being distrustful, you're also independent wealthy? No need for a job?

I think you are ridiculous to compare law school interviews with casting couch antics involving young adoring actresses and sleazy moguls like Harvey.

I'm a lawyer btw. There was nothing sleazy happening during OCIs...even those held at hotels.

Oh, so you didn't post the above? Because I didn't see a law-school exception in that comment.

Also, you are delusional if you think law firms aren't rampant with sexual harassment. You wanna see sleaze? Take a gander at some male law firm partners when they think no one is watching.

Seriously didn't you see Legally Blonde?

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Anonymous wrote:He's fired and many more women coming forward. The men that have stood by and let this greedy, sex abuser thrive all these years should feel shame.

There were plenty of women too. They should be doubly ashamed.

Anjelilina Jolie said he harassed her and she tried warning other women, but they ignored her.

Honestly, Angelina Jolie's behaviour back in the day when this would have happened would have made me disbelieve/disregard her claims too- the blood with Billy Bob, the making out with her brother, etc. Plus, she wasn't some aspiring starlet from parents who waited at a WalMart in Arkansas- she had Hollywood power and connections behind her in her family. If she was going to tell someone, why the heck wouldn't she have told them - who might at least have had the power to do something about it.

You contradict yourself. First you said you wouldn't have believed her. Then you state why didn't she tell someone. She did tell someone. She told any female who would listen. Apparently, they took your first advice and didn't believe her. She also said she chose to never not work with him again. I guess that was her way of dealing with it.

No, I didn't contradict myself, you misunderstood. I said that if I was one of the actresses AngelIna "warned" my thought process would have been: hmm, her behaviour indicates that she is unstable. Second, why is she telling ME this when she could be telling someone with the power to do something about it when she has access to such people in her own family. These two factors combined would have made me disbelieve her, and think that it was a false allegation.

Now, to be clear I don't think they are all false allegations - clearly he has harassed and assaulted multiple women, but the Angelina piece raises red flags to me. Why would she have done the bare minimum (telling other women) if it was true, rather than telling people who actually might have been able to take action, when she had access to such people. Either do nothing, or do something meaningful if you're in a position to do so, which many of the other women weren't. Don't do something half-assed and then say "but I tried" when it all comes out later.

Well I hate to say it because it's bull****, but if Angelina Jolie had come forward with this at the time when she was flaunting being a "wild child" and had provocative stories in the media about her kissing her brother and Billy Bob, etc. NO ONE would have believed her. I hate that she didn't step forward sooner yet I totally get why she didn't.

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Another Harvard Law School grad here, and yes, been to many hotel rooms for interviews and doors were closed.

Everything was above board with my interviews. But I agree with the PP that points out that it normalizes the process.

If for some reason I had switched into entertainment and found my young naive self being asked to go up to interview in HW's room, I wouldn't have thought twice about it. Especially since in Hollywood, everyone is ducking the fans and the paparazzi, and potential deals are secret.

The point is that predators don't target the powerful or the street-smart; they sniff out the weak--in this case the non-connected, totally unsuspecting, naive person who is so surprised and freaked out that odds are, she can't quickly think her way out of that situation. Usually these people are young. Listening to that tape, listening to that woman sounding like a frightened child--not strong--confirms to him that he's got the right prey, and the dialog is basically him saying "get in my trap." What an evil person.

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The people that control Hollywood and the Media have proved they are all disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:The people that control Hollywood and the Media have proved they are all disgusting.

+1,000

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Anonymous wrote:The people that control Hollywood and the Media have proved they are all disgusting.

I was just reading how NBC sent Ronan Farrow away and then didn't report the story once the New Yorker published it. How systematically do our media institutions do that for all sorts of malfeasance? Odds are - all the time, and it has worked. It worked for HW for over 20 years right?

And imp our media institutions expect to weather this storm and keep on going in just the same way.

But there are victims.

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Anonymous wrote:The people that control Hollywood and the Media have proved they are all disgusting.

I was just reading how NBC sent Ronan Farrow away and then didn't report the story once the New Yorker published it. How systematically do our media institutions do that for all sorts of malfeasance? Odds are - all the time, and it has worked. It worked for HW for over 20 years right?

And imp our media institutions expect to weather this storm and keep on going in just the same way.

But there are victims.

Well said. Oppenheimer MUST be fired, and potentially be charged as an accomplice in covering crimes.

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Anonymous wrote:Why did these women agree to meet with him in his hotel room? Who does that?

CAN YOU NOT BLAME VICTIMS

I'm not blaming the victims...what Harvey did was wrong.

But what respectable woman takes a meeting in a man's hotel room? Befuddling. Meet in an office. Meet in a restaurant.

You’ve got to be kidding me.

No, I'm not. No respectable woman would take a meeting in a man's hotel room. It puts him in a position of power. Smart women select the location and take control.

1. He was a huge deal. There is no way these aspiring actresses could set the location.
2. I have a friend who works in the entertainment industry and is is very common practice to meet outside of the office in all sorts of places.
3. Did you know a lot official on campus recruiting interviews actually take place in hotel rooms? I guess if women at top business and law schools participate in that it's their fault if something happens?

+1 all my law firm interviews were conducted in hotel rooms. Also if you truly think "Smart women select the location and take control" was a reasonable thing to say about this situation, you are not an intelligent person. Do you not understand the position of power and influence he was in? He called ALL the shots in terms of when / where / of such a meeting occurred. As an unknown aspiring 22 year old actress...you were "lucky" to even get a meeting with him, you would have been laughed (or maybe yelled...) out of town if you tried to come in and strongarm the logistics. How do you not get that?

Furthermore, if you read up it's pretty well-documented that he coerced them to his hotel room - he'd set up a meeting in the lobby or bar, then "forget" the script up there. He'd have the woman arrive at the hotel and the front desk would tell her last minute that actually, she needed to go up to his room to meet him. He'd have her invited to an industry party, and she'd arrive all dressed up and be led to...an empty hotel room. He was conniving and relentless and manipulative and knew exactly what he was doing.

Any actress who was actually being considered for a legit role would have had her agent with her. All of these encounters were with aspiring actresses at the time...and I suppose they were desperate. This is classic casting couch behavior.

If he really wanted to meet with Suzy Aspring Actress about a legit role, he would have his male assistant call her agent. Picking her up in a club or at an industry party and inviting her back to his hotel? Red flag. Hopping in a limo with a bunch of men? Red flag.

"Call my agent."

Excuse me, are you an aspiring actress who can actually comment on this subject? You're delusional if you think an agent goes with a client to EVERY meeting or audition they have.

Correct. They clearly aren't around after dark when all of these incidents took place...typically after group dinners or Hollywood events where the booze was flowing. Hopefully every Hollywood actress will read these reports, see the red flags (that the big girls see), and decide that taking an after hours meeting in the hotel room of a strange men isn't a good idea. Unfortunately, many of you people on this thread seem to think it's a calculated risk worth taking for your Hollywood career. That's befuddling. Given the casting couch culture, it's seemingly a quid pro quo. Chew on that, Ladies.

Angelina seems to be the only one who was brave enough to refuse to meet with him/work with him again. It seems like a lot of women tolerated him for the sake of their career. That's shocking. This whole story underscores how naive and ill-prepared many young women are. Seems like a teachable moment for all young girls.

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Are people teaching children to
"do what it takes, to get what you want"?

Think about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Why did these women agree to meet with him in his hotel room? Who does that?

CAN YOU NOT BLAME VICTIMS

I'm not blaming the victims...what Harvey did was wrong.

But what respectable woman takes a meeting in a man's hotel room? Befuddling. Meet in an office. Meet in a restaurant.

You’ve got to be kidding me.

No, I'm not. No respectable woman would take a meeting in a man's hotel room. It puts him in a position of power. Smart women select the location and take control.

1. He was a huge deal. There is no way these aspiring actresses could set the location.
2. I have a friend who works in the entertainment industry and is is very common practice to meet outside of the office in all sorts of places.
3. Did you know a lot official on campus recruiting interviews actually take place in hotel rooms? I guess if women at top business and law schools participate in that it's their fault if something happens?

+1 all my law firm interviews were conducted in hotel rooms. Also if you truly think "Smart women select the location and take control" was a reasonable thing to say about this situation, you are not an intelligent person. Do you not understand the position of power and influence he was in? He called ALL the shots in terms of when / where / of such a meeting occurred. As an unknown aspiring 22 year old actress...you were "lucky" to even get a meeting with him, you would have been laughed (or maybe yelled...) out of town if you tried to come in and strongarm the logistics. How do you not get that?

Furthermore, if you read up it's pretty well-documented that he coerced them to his hotel room - he'd set up a meeting in the lobby or bar, then "forget" the script up there. He'd have the woman arrive at the hotel and the front desk would tell her last minute that actually, she needed to go up to his room to meet him. He'd have her invited to an industry party, and she'd arrive all dressed up and be led to...an empty hotel room. He was conniving and relentless and manipulative and knew exactly what he was doing.

Any actress who was actually being considered for a legit role would have had her agent with her. All of these encounters were with aspiring actresses at the time...and I suppose they were desperate. This is classic casting couch behavior.

If he really wanted to meet with Suzy Aspring Actress about a legit role, he would have his male assistant call her agent. Picking her up in a club or at an industry party and inviting her back to his hotel? Red flag. Hopping in a limo with a bunch of men? Red flag.

"Call my agent."

Excuse me, are you an aspiring actress who can actually comment on this subject? You're delusional if you think an agent goes with a client to EVERY meeting or audition they have.

Correct. They clearly aren't around after dark when all of these incidents took place...typically after group dinners or Hollywood events where the booze was flowing. Hopefully every Hollywood actress will read these reports, see the red flags (that the big girls see), and decide that taking an after hours meeting in the hotel room of a strange men isn't a good idea. Unfortunately, many of you people on this thread seem to think it's a calculated risk worth taking for your Hollywood career. That's befuddling. Given the casting couch culture, it's seemingly a quid pro quo. Chew on that, Ladies.

Angelina seems to be the only one who was brave enough to refuse to meet with him/work with him again. It seems like a lot of women tolerated him for the sake of their career. That's shocking. This whole story underscores how naive and ill-prepared many young women are. Seems like a teachable moment for all young girls.

Why is this a teachable moment for all young girls? Seems like this should be a teachable moment for all men -- do not harass women or you will destroy your life and may end up in jail. I am very tired of our culture which, when confronted by the illegal behavior of men, shifts the blame to women and suggests that we should circumscribe our lives so that we are not exposed to this behavior. I am sorry, but I need and want to develop personal relationships with men to further my career. But, those personal relationships don't mean that I should be exposed to sexual harassment or assault. This is like telling me not to dress a certain way or not to drink at a party, otherwise I can expect what I get. Men, you need to control yourselves; it is not on women to fit into some box to keep you from harassing or assaulting us.

The lesson of Harvey Weinstein isn't that men and women shouldn't meet .... https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/no-the-lesson-of-harvey-weinstein-isnt-that-men-shouldnt-meet-with-women_us_59de3052e4b0b26332e8746d

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Anonymous wrote:Why did these women agree to meet with him in his hotel room? Who does that?

CAN YOU NOT BLAME VICTIMS

I'm not blaming the victims...what Harvey did was wrong.

But what respectable woman takes a meeting in a man's hotel room? Befuddling. Meet in an office. Meet in a restaurant.

You’ve got to be kidding me.

No, I'm not. No respectable woman would take a meeting in a man's hotel room. It puts him in a position of power. Smart women select the location and take control.

1. He was a huge deal. There is no way these aspiring actresses could set the location.
2. I have a friend who works in the entertainment industry and is is very common practice to meet outside of the office in all sorts of places.
3. Did you know a lot official on campus recruiting interviews actually take place in hotel rooms? I guess if women at top business and law schools participate in that it's their fault if something happens?

+1 all my law firm interviews were conducted in hotel rooms. Also if you truly think "Smart women select the location and take control" was a reasonable thing to say about this situation, you are not an intelligent person. Do you not understand the position of power and influence he was in? He called ALL the shots in terms of when / where / of such a meeting occurred. As an unknown aspiring 22 year old actress...you were "lucky" to even get a meeting with him, you would have been laughed (or maybe yelled...) out of town if you tried to come in and strongarm the logistics. How do you not get that?

Furthermore, if you read up it's pretty well-documented that he coerced them to his hotel room - he'd set up a meeting in the lobby or bar, then "forget" the script up there. He'd have the woman arrive at the hotel and the front desk would tell her last minute that actually, she needed to go up to his room to meet him. He'd have her invited to an industry party, and she'd arrive all dressed up and be led to...an empty hotel room. He was conniving and relentless and manipulative and knew exactly what he was doing.

Any actress who was actually being considered for a legit role would have had her agent with her. All of these encounters were with aspiring actresses at the time...and I suppose they were desperate. This is classic casting couch behavior.

If he really wanted to meet with Suzy Aspring Actress about a legit role, he would have his male assistant call her agent. Picking her up in a club or at an industry party and inviting her back to his hotel? Red flag. Hopping in a limo with a bunch of men? Red flag.

"Call my agent."

Excuse me, are you an aspiring actress who can actually comment on this subject? You're delusional if you think an agent goes with a client to EVERY meeting or audition they have.

Correct. They clearly aren't around after dark when all of these incidents took place...typically after group dinners or Hollywood events where the booze was flowing. Hopefully every Hollywood actress will read these reports, see the red flags (that the big girls see), and decide that taking an after hours meeting in the hotel room of a strange men isn't a good idea. Unfortunately, many of you people on this thread seem to think it's a calculated risk worth taking for your Hollywood career. That's befuddling. Given the casting couch culture, it's seemingly a quid pro quo. Chew on that, Ladies.

Angelina seems to be the only one who was brave enough to refuse to meet with him/work with him again. It seems like a lot of women tolerated him for the sake of their career. That's shocking. This whole story underscores how naive and ill-prepared many young women are. Seems like a teachable moment for all young girls.

Why is this a teachable moment for all young girls? Seems like this should be a teachable moment for all men -- do not harass women or you will destroy your life and may end up in jail. I am very tired of our culture which, when confronted by the illegal behavior of men, shifts the blame to women and suggests that we should circumscribe our lives so that we are not exposed to this behavior. I am sorry, but I need and want to develop personal relationships with men to further my career. But, those personal relationships don't mean that I should be exposed to sexual harassment or assault. This is like telling me not to dress a certain way or not to drink at a party, otherwise I can expect what I get. Men, you need to control yourselves; it is not on women to fit into some box to keep you from harassing or assaulting us.

The lesson of Harvey Weinstein isn't that men and women shouldn't meet .... https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/no-the-lesson-of-harvey-weinstein-isnt-that-men-shouldnt-meet-with-women_us_59de3052e4b0b26332e8746d

Also, not all of these assaults happened "after hours"/in the dark. Mira Sorvino (I think) stated that because it was daytime she thought everything would be ok.

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^ and I think Ashley Judd said hers was a breakfast meeting ^

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He needs to man up and accept his punishment, rather than give the finger to the media, pretend to be suicidal, and hide.

[Anonymous]

So he decides he needs counseling and LEAVES THE COUNTRY? Are there no good counselors in the US these days?

He's such scum. He's pulling a Roman Polanski. Good luck getting him back to face charges

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Anonymous wrote:So he decides he needs counseling and LEAVES THE COUNTRY? Are there no good counselors in the US these days?

He's such scum. He's pulling a Roman Polanski. Good luck getting him back to face charges

If we’re talking USA, Arizona is in the country.