What is so special about UVA, W&M, VT!?!??

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I'm so confused as to why you people are talking about the 70s.

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Anonymous wrote:In the first place, they are all excellent schools, better than most flagships nationally.

Both UVA and W&M have a history most colleges don't. I grew up in the private school, expensive private / elite college world, and going to UVA and W&M was very, very respectable. They do have prestige.

Add to it attractive campuses and in state tuition, can't you now understand why they are so popular and sought after?

Doesn’t UVA have an ugly history? In the 1960s they used eminent domain to wipe out the surrounding black communities. Jefferson built the university so that the “sons of the South” wouldn’t go North and be taught about abolition of slavery.

It’s not the 1960s anymore where Southern schools fought desegregation but they are slower to change than schools without the history.

Honestly, I suspect you are thinking of CNU for the above bit about eminent domain. Still ugly, but a different college.

DP. Wrong.

Almost from the moment UVA began to expand beyond its original Academical Village, Charlottesville’s communities of color faced the threats of displacement and erasure. In the 1830s, free people of color began moving into the area just south of the Academical Village that by the 1860s was increasingly referred to as “Canada,” a reference to the free Black people living there.

In 1965, Charlottesville utilized eminent domain to acquire and raze the Vinegar Hill neighborhood and business district, and attempted to redevelop it for a new thoroughfare and commercial project. The project displaced more than 600 Black families and resulted in the closing of more than 30 Black-owned businesses.

The displacement of Vinegar Hill’s residents coincided with a massive increase in the University of Virginia’s student body and expansion of the University’s physical footprint.

https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-and-history-race-property-and-power

Charlottesville exercised eminent domain with Vinegar Hill, not UVA.

All one has to do is read the above to know that isn't true. Why are you obfuscating? I've bolded the pertinent words.

I lived in Charlottesville then. I know which entity exercised eminent domain. This is from the article you cited: "In 1965, Charlottesville utilized eminent domain to acquire the Vinegar Hill neighborhood and business district, raze it, and attempt to redevelop it for a new thoroughfare and commercial development."

Vinegar Hill had nothing to do with UVA's expansion. In fact it sat pretty much vacant for years. UVA's expansion in the same time period was in the opposite direction on land UVA already owned.

From the above post, which was quoted from UVA themselves. Not sure why you can’t bear to admit facts:

“UVA’s growth during these years came at Black Charlottesvillians’ expense. During the 1970s, the University Health System encroached upon the Black neighborhood of Gospel Hill with the constructions of Jordan Hall (named for noted eugenicist Harvey E. Jordan, and later renamed Pinn Hall, in honor of Dr. Vivian Pinn, the School of Medicine’s first Black female graduate), McLeod Hall and the Claude Moore Health Sciences Library. Adjacent to the prior community of Canada, Gospel Hill was originally settled by free Black families in the antebellum era. Through the 1970s and ’80s, UVA acquired properties in this neighborhood, razed them and constructed either parking lots or medical facilities.”

I am setting the facts straight. Gospel Hill was adjacent to UVA hospital and the properties were purchased by UVA in the market and buildings related to UVA Health were constructed there. Vinegar Hill was not adjacent to UVA, the area was cleared through eminent domain by Charlottesville, and it sat vacant for years.

I don't for a moment think a university that did not effectively begin to desegregate until the 1960s, when it was 140 years old, and has a memorial to an estimated 4,000 slaves that worked on its grounds doesn't have a history to reckon with.

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Nobody cares

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Anonymous wrote:They are the only VA publics worth considering

They aren't even the only VA publics with a national reputation,

GMU and VCU have national reputations is various areas and JMU is a super-regional.

JMU is much more well-known than VCU. Agree that GMU has a national reputation.

I’m from California. I can assure you GMU does not have a national reputation.

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I did.

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Anonymous wrote:None of them have the best football team in Virginia.

It's great to know that JMU boosters think the only thing their school has going for it is football.

Not even close, but this is a topic about not so special schools, so it’s not appropriate for JMU.

Love this

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Anonymous wrote:UVA, VT and W&M represent 50% of the schools south of the Mason-Dixon Line and east of the Mississippi worth attending.

What out of UNC, Wake, W&L, Emory, Georgetown, JHU, Duke, Davidson, USNA, Georgia Tech, Florida, etc. are not worth attending?

Georgetown, JHU, and Duke would be the other 50%

lol comparing VT

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Anonymous wrote:Look at it from the perspective of a full pay applicant.

Georgetown Acceptance rate: 12%

OOS UVA: 9%

It is not just Virginians who want to go to UVA.

Georgetown yield rate is 47%. UVA OOS yield rate is 24%.

Georgetown 28,000 applications total (last year).

UVA OOS 44,000 applications so far and it is just Early Action (this year).

Because. No essay. Wait until Gtown goes common app for ‘31

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Anonymous wrote:I won't say it makes them special, but W&M, UVA, and VT all have relatively high 4 year and 6 year graduation rates (including for Pell students), low student loan default rates, and appear to have strong alumni support. This is particularly impressive because Virginia does not fund higher education as generously as many states.

VT is more JMU on these measures than UVa or W&M