I fear for the future of Einstein.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder which central office staffer thought to themselves "Whitman just doesn't have enough academically advanced kids with lots of resources, we need to bring more into Whitman from East county schools!"

They probably think some families who can’t afford Whitman but want a top rated top resourced school would like a chance to apply in. It’s bizarre to me that people wouldn’t want at least the option for access to a school that is known to be the best. Fine if you don’t want to take advantage of the option and I get the downsides of the commute. But it’s weird that you would think just because you wouldn’t want to send your kid there that nobody would.

It's weird for you to say this when my previous post clearly indicates my concern is that kids/families will want to go to Whitman, not that they won't.

Every MCPS school has academically advanced kids, of all racial and socioeconomic backgrounds. But the availability of advanced coursework in any given school is dependent on "interest" - or more specifically the cohort of academically advanced kids that are interested in taking the course. This is why Whitman's course bulletin lists 9 different AP social studies courses and Einstein has 5. The academically advanced cohort at Einstein is smaller than the one at Whitman (or BCC). Now, you take 50 kids from Einstein and put them in the humanities magnet, another 50 get into the languages program, another 50 go to BCC for IB. What do you think happens to the academically advanced kids that get left behind, either because they can't fit in a 1 hour each way commute or because they struck out in the lottery? They lose more humanities options at Einstein. If you don't put the humanities magnet at Whitman, nothing bad happens to them. Few Whitman students will go to BCC or Northwood, because they have so much advanced humanities courses at their home school. What would be the point of traveling all that way? Plus their cohort is large enough anyway.

I honestly think they could swap the medical programs and put them at Whitman and put the Humanities program at Einstein and give back the performing arts to Northwood and everyone would feel a little more satisfied.

DP - no, thank you. I’m glad Einstein will have medical sciences. Whitman doesn’t need anything special beyond being Whitman and I mean that sincerely.

That’s fine, and you can have your opinion, but they are putting a program in every school so unless you think 24 schools should get a program and Whitman should be excluded because reasons, they’re going to get something. Honestly it doesn’t sound like Einstein people will be satisfied no matter what is offered to them.

We want the same opportunities that your kids get at Whitman at our home schools. If you get arts and academics, shouldn’t our kids as well. I think you don’t understand the huge disparities at each school.

The medical program is very basic.

You’d be much better served advocating as a group for reasonable things like getting the Humanities magnet rather than asking for ridiculous things like getting the humanities AND medical AND performing arts and Northwood and Whitman getting nothing. It seems like you have several very reasonable posters but the unrealistic ones are hurting your cause.

I don't care about humantities. Northwood can advocate for themselves. Whitman has everything they need so saying they get nothing is false. They get to keep everything they have and are in a bubble.

Einstein parents just want to protect VAPA. A Visual and Performing arts magnet only makes sense at Einstein. Einstein has the best arts program in the DCC and arguably the entire county.

“Einstein parents” are not a monolith. I care about things other than VAPA and plenty of other Einstein parents to, too. Stop pretending to speak for the entire group.

+1 adding that this is even more complicated because the majority of families that will be impacted by this do not yet have children at Einstein. Our ES PTA is organizing feedback from.the community. However, MCPS should really be doing much more to understand what communities want or need instead of farming out community engagement to the PTAs. And they should have done this before developing any proposals or any dumb rules like that every school should have a criteria based program.

No, Whitman does not need a criteria based program. They already have a multitude of wealth based programs. In Region 1, vanishingly few BCC or Whitman students are going to travel to Einstein or Northwood or even Blair. But a larger portion (not all) Einstein students especially (due to geography) but also Northwood and Blair students, especially if they have cars and no work/sibling care commitments, will be interested in going to Whitman and BCC. It is the reverse of the original intention of the Blair magnet which was to reduce segregation. This plus the boundaries they are proposing will supercharge racial and socioeconomic segregation because the kids that can travel to Whitman and BCC will be wealthier and Whiter than the rest of their home school populations.

Most don’t drive till junior year and will schools provide parking? The expectation that kids have cares is not equity.

Good point. The programs at BCC and Whitman will be for kids whose parents can drive them to and from school. Gee, I wonder what the demographics of that group will be relative to their home school demographics.

There are wealthy neighborhoods in and around Silver Spring / Takoma Park. Those parents could easily drive their kids to B-CC on the way to work.

Maybe to BCC, but Whitman would be a stretch. But, ever considered the wealthy parents don't want their kids in those schools and encouraging that just reduces diversity and increases farms. How about meeting all kids' needs at their home schools, not just a select few?

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Anonymous wrote:This complaint that kids can’t go to another school from an area that has had a third of its high schoolers go to other schools is really something.

It's different because there will not be bus routes from many out of bounds neighborhoods any more like there are now in the consortia.

Kids in the DCC were choosing up to 70 min bus rides under the consortia model (per bus route times). Is this really that different?

Because there is a bus and more stops.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder which central office staffer thought to themselves "Whitman just doesn't have enough academically advanced kids with lots of resources, we need to bring more into Whitman from East county schools!"

They probably think some families who can’t afford Whitman but want a top rated top resourced school would like a chance to apply in. It’s bizarre to me that people wouldn’t want at least the option for access to a school that is known to be the best. Fine if you don’t want to take advantage of the option and I get the downsides of the commute. But it’s weird that you would think just because you wouldn’t want to send your kid there that nobody would.

It's weird for you to say this when my previous post clearly indicates my concern is that kids/families will want to go to Whitman, not that they won't.

Every MCPS school has academically advanced kids, of all racial and socioeconomic backgrounds. But the availability of advanced coursework in any given school is dependent on "interest" - or more specifically the cohort of academically advanced kids that are interested in taking the course. This is why Whitman's course bulletin lists 9 different AP social studies courses and Einstein has 5. The academically advanced cohort at Einstein is smaller than the one at Whitman (or BCC). Now, you take 50 kids from Einstein and put them in the humanities magnet, another 50 get into the languages program, another 50 go to BCC for IB. What do you think happens to the academically advanced kids that get left behind, either because they can't fit in a 1 hour each way commute or because they struck out in the lottery? They lose more humanities options at Einstein. If you don't put the humanities magnet at Whitman, nothing bad happens to them. Few Whitman students will go to BCC or Northwood, because they have so much advanced humanities courses at their home school. What would be the point of traveling all that way? Plus their cohort is large enough anyway.

I honestly think they could swap the medical programs and put them at Whitman and put the Humanities program at Einstein and give back the performing arts to Northwood and everyone would feel a little more satisfied.

DP - no, thank you. I’m glad Einstein will have medical sciences. Whitman doesn’t need anything special beyond being Whitman and I mean that sincerely.

That’s fine, and you can have your opinion, but they are putting a program in every school so unless you think 24 schools should get a program and Whitman should be excluded because reasons, they’re going to get something. Honestly it doesn’t sound like Einstein people will be satisfied no matter what is offered to them.

We want the same opportunities that your kids get at Whitman at our home schools. If you get arts and academics, shouldn’t our kids as well. I think you don’t understand the huge disparities at each school.

The medical program is very basic.

You’d be much better served advocating as a group for reasonable things like getting the Humanities magnet rather than asking for ridiculous things like getting the humanities AND medical AND performing arts and Northwood and Whitman getting nothing. It seems like you have several very reasonable posters but the unrealistic ones are hurting your cause.

I don't care about humantities. Northwood can advocate for themselves. Whitman has everything they need so saying they get nothing is false. They get to keep everything they have and are in a bubble.

Einstein parents just want to protect VAPA. A Visual and Performing arts magnet only makes sense at Einstein. Einstein has the best arts program in the DCC and arguably the entire county.

“Einstein parents” are not a monolith. I care about things other than VAPA and plenty of other Einstein parents to, too. Stop pretending to speak for the entire group.

+1 adding that this is even more complicated because the majority of families that will be impacted by this do not yet have children at Einstein. Our ES PTA is organizing feedback from.the community. However, MCPS should really be doing much more to understand what communities want or need instead of farming out community engagement to the PTAs. And they should have done this before developing any proposals or any dumb rules like that every school should have a criteria based program.

No, Whitman does not need a criteria based program. They already have a multitude of wealth based programs. In Region 1, vanishingly few BCC or Whitman students are going to travel to Einstein or Northwood or even Blair. But a larger portion (not all) Einstein students especially (due to geography) but also Northwood and Blair students, especially if they have cars and no work/sibling care commitments, will be interested in going to Whitman and BCC. It is the reverse of the original intention of the Blair magnet which was to reduce segregation. This plus the boundaries they are proposing will supercharge racial and socioeconomic segregation because the kids that can travel to Whitman and BCC will be wealthier and Whiter than the rest of their home school populations.

Most don’t drive till junior year and will schools provide parking? The expectation that kids have cares is not equity.

Good point. The programs at BCC and Whitman will be for kids whose parents can drive them to and from school. Gee, I wonder what the demographics of that group will be relative to their home school demographics.

There are wealthy neighborhoods in and around Silver Spring / Takoma Park. Those parents could easily drive their kids to B-CC on the way to work.

Maybe to BCC, but Whitman would be a stretch. But, ever considered the wealthy parents don't want their kids in those schools and encouraging that just reduces diversity and increases farms. How about meeting all kids' needs at their home schools, not just a select few?

Heaven forbid your kids go to school with other wealthy children like themselves and they’re not the wealthiest ones anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:What I notice is the cluster that is most of the soon-to-be-former DCC is all getting to keep the special programs they had, now with less competition for the spaces, while other schools are being completely restructured with new programming.

So Blair/Northwood/Einstein/BCC gets to keep CAP and VAC, AND gets a separate humanities option, and an IB option. Nonsensically, the humanities option doesn't get attached to IB, although IB's focus on language and writing seems to make it a natural fit.

It seems poor form to complain when you're not losing anything and your kids get more options from this.

It's unfortunate for schools like Kennedy, who are losing their Leadership magnet and not getting anything new to support their IB students.

Most families don't care about IB. They aren't taking away anything from the home schools in reality. This is all for show. I couldn't care less if they took away IB. They are just saying these schools specialize in it for attention. They aren't adding anything to these programs. And, the VAC drama, there are only a few teachers for arts and a few for music. Other schools have way more. This is just for name only. They aren't adding staff or funding to make these better programs. Really, its all for show so nothing to get worked up about.

The real issue is the kids who cannot cosa or go to other schools who need more advanced academics. Right now the only choice is to drive to another school or MC. Will it still be allowed ot drive your kids to another school for a class if they are out of region?

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder which central office staffer thought to themselves "Whitman just doesn't have enough academically advanced kids with lots of resources, we need to bring more into Whitman from East county schools!"

They probably think some families who can’t afford Whitman but want a top rated top resourced school would like a chance to apply in. It’s bizarre to me that people wouldn’t want at least the option for access to a school that is known to be the best. Fine if you don’t want to take advantage of the option and I get the downsides of the commute. But it’s weird that you would think just because you wouldn’t want to send your kid there that nobody would.

It's weird for you to say this when my previous post clearly indicates my concern is that kids/families will want to go to Whitman, not that they won't.

Every MCPS school has academically advanced kids, of all racial and socioeconomic backgrounds. But the availability of advanced coursework in any given school is dependent on "interest" - or more specifically the cohort of academically advanced kids that are interested in taking the course. This is why Whitman's course bulletin lists 9 different AP social studies courses and Einstein has 5. The academically advanced cohort at Einstein is smaller than the one at Whitman (or BCC). Now, you take 50 kids from Einstein and put them in the humanities magnet, another 50 get into the languages program, another 50 go to BCC for IB. What do you think happens to the academically advanced kids that get left behind, either because they can't fit in a 1 hour each way commute or because they struck out in the lottery? They lose more humanities options at Einstein. If you don't put the humanities magnet at Whitman, nothing bad happens to them. Few Whitman students will go to BCC or Northwood, because they have so much advanced humanities courses at their home school. What would be the point of traveling all that way? Plus their cohort is large enough anyway.

I honestly think they could swap the medical programs and put them at Whitman and put the Humanities program at Einstein and give back the performing arts to Northwood and everyone would feel a little more satisfied.

DP - no, thank you. I’m glad Einstein will have medical sciences. Whitman doesn’t need anything special beyond being Whitman and I mean that sincerely.

That’s fine, and you can have your opinion, but they are putting a program in every school so unless you think 24 schools should get a program and Whitman should be excluded because reasons, they’re going to get something. Honestly it doesn’t sound like Einstein people will be satisfied no matter what is offered to them.

We want the same opportunities that your kids get at Whitman at our home schools. If you get arts and academics, shouldn’t our kids as well. I think you don’t understand the huge disparities at each school.

The medical program is very basic.

You’d be much better served advocating as a group for reasonable things like getting the Humanities magnet rather than asking for ridiculous things like getting the humanities AND medical AND performing arts and Northwood and Whitman getting nothing. It seems like you have several very reasonable posters but the unrealistic ones are hurting your cause.

I don't care about humantities. Northwood can advocate for themselves. Whitman has everything they need so saying they get nothing is false. They get to keep everything they have and are in a bubble.

Einstein parents just want to protect VAPA. A Visual and Performing arts magnet only makes sense at Einstein. Einstein has the best arts program in the DCC and arguably the entire county.

“Einstein parents” are not a monolith. I care about things other than VAPA and plenty of other Einstein parents to, too. Stop pretending to speak for the entire group.

+1 adding that this is even more complicated because the majority of families that will be impacted by this do not yet have children at Einstein. Our ES PTA is organizing feedback from.the community. However, MCPS should really be doing much more to understand what communities want or need instead of farming out community engagement to the PTAs. And they should have done this before developing any proposals or any dumb rules like that every school should have a criteria based program.

No, Whitman does not need a criteria based program. They already have a multitude of wealth based programs. In Region 1, vanishingly few BCC or Whitman students are going to travel to Einstein or Northwood or even Blair. But a larger portion (not all) Einstein students especially (due to geography) but also Northwood and Blair students, especially if they have cars and no work/sibling care commitments, will be interested in going to Whitman and BCC. It is the reverse of the original intention of the Blair magnet which was to reduce segregation. This plus the boundaries they are proposing will supercharge racial and socioeconomic segregation because the kids that can travel to Whitman and BCC will be wealthier and Whiter than the rest of their home school populations.

Most don’t drive till junior year and will schools provide parking? The expectation that kids have cares is not equity.

Good point. The programs at BCC and Whitman will be for kids whose parents can drive them to and from school. Gee, I wonder what the demographics of that group will be relative to their home school demographics.

There are wealthy neighborhoods in and around Silver Spring / Takoma Park. Those parents could easily drive their kids to B-CC on the way to work.

Maybe to BCC, but Whitman would be a stretch. But, ever considered the wealthy parents don't want their kids in those schools and encouraging that just reduces diversity and increases farms. How about meeting all kids' needs at their home schools, not just a select few?

Heaven forbid your kids go to school with other wealthy children like themselves and they’re not the wealthiest ones anymore.

My kids are not wealthy. They don't have any money. Be real. My kids aren't running to Starbucks and $20 lunches every day, for example. Nor would we allow it. Our values are to fully pay for college and grad school. Many of the more comfortable families at the schools you wouldn't send your kids to aren't living lavish lives and wouldn't fit in. You don't have a clue how much many of the families have or don't have.

It's the culture and attitudes I don't like. It's also harder to get into college from one of those schools.

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Anonymous wrote:If I live near Oakland Terrace ES, it will take 35 minutes to walk to Einstein before catching a bus to BCC or Whitman that will easily take 25-30 minutes in morning traffic. Much longer on the way back with afternoon traffic.

The poster who thinks since some kids (how many???) have 70 minute bus rides now, these commutes should be fine is a troll who dgaf about kids or education.

Recall that east county people were fine having option 3 in the first round bc some Einstein kids chose to have 70 min bus rides.

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Anonymous wrote:This complaint that kids can’t go to another school from an area that has had a third of its high schoolers go to other schools is really something.

It's different because there will not be bus routes from many out of bounds neighborhoods any more like there are now in the consortia.

Kids in the DCC were choosing up to 70 min bus rides under the consortia model (per bus route times). Is this really that different?

Because there is a bus and more stops.

Actually would be fewer stops. School to school.

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Anonymous wrote:If I live near Oakland Terrace ES, it will take 35 minutes to walk to Einstein before catching a bus to BCC or Whitman that will easily take 25-30 minutes in morning traffic. Much longer on the way back with afternoon traffic.

The poster who thinks since some kids (how many???) have 70 minute bus rides now, these commutes should be fine is a troll who dgaf about kids or education.

Recall that east county people were fine having option 3 in the first round bc some Einstein kids chose to have 70 min bus rides.

Um what? No.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder which central office staffer thought to themselves "Whitman just doesn't have enough academically advanced kids with lots of resources, we need to bring more into Whitman from East county schools!"

They probably think some families who can’t afford Whitman but want a top rated top resourced school would like a chance to apply in. It’s bizarre to me that people wouldn’t want at least the option for access to a school that is known to be the best. Fine if you don’t want to take advantage of the option and I get the downsides of the commute. But it’s weird that you would think just because you wouldn’t want to send your kid there that nobody would.

It's weird for you to say this when my previous post clearly indicates my concern is that kids/families will want to go to Whitman, not that they won't.

Every MCPS school has academically advanced kids, of all racial and socioeconomic backgrounds. But the availability of advanced coursework in any given school is dependent on "interest" - or more specifically the cohort of academically advanced kids that are interested in taking the course. This is why Whitman's course bulletin lists 9 different AP social studies courses and Einstein has 5. The academically advanced cohort at Einstein is smaller than the one at Whitman (or BCC). Now, you take 50 kids from Einstein and put them in the humanities magnet, another 50 get into the languages program, another 50 go to BCC for IB. What do you think happens to the academically advanced kids that get left behind, either because they can't fit in a 1 hour each way commute or because they struck out in the lottery? They lose more humanities options at Einstein. If you don't put the humanities magnet at Whitman, nothing bad happens to them. Few Whitman students will go to BCC or Northwood, because they have so much advanced humanities courses at their home school. What would be the point of traveling all that way? Plus their cohort is large enough anyway.

I honestly think they could swap the medical programs and put them at Whitman and put the Humanities program at Einstein and give back the performing arts to Northwood and everyone would feel a little more satisfied.

DP - no, thank you. I’m glad Einstein will have medical sciences. Whitman doesn’t need anything special beyond being Whitman and I mean that sincerely.

That’s fine, and you can have your opinion, but they are putting a program in every school so unless you think 24 schools should get a program and Whitman should be excluded because reasons, they’re going to get something. Honestly it doesn’t sound like Einstein people will be satisfied no matter what is offered to them.

We want the same opportunities that your kids get at Whitman at our home schools. If you get arts and academics, shouldn’t our kids as well. I think you don’t understand the huge disparities at each school.

The medical program is very basic.

You’d be much better served advocating as a group for reasonable things like getting the Humanities magnet rather than asking for ridiculous things like getting the humanities AND medical AND performing arts and Northwood and Whitman getting nothing. It seems like you have several very reasonable posters but the unrealistic ones are hurting your cause.

I don't care about humantities. Northwood can advocate for themselves. Whitman has everything they need so saying they get nothing is false. They get to keep everything they have and are in a bubble.

Einstein parents just want to protect VAPA. A Visual and Performing arts magnet only makes sense at Einstein. Einstein has the best arts program in the DCC and arguably the entire county.

“Einstein parents” are not a monolith. I care about things other than VAPA and plenty of other Einstein parents to, too. Stop pretending to speak for the entire group.

+1 adding that this is even more complicated because the majority of families that will be impacted by this do not yet have children at Einstein. Our ES PTA is organizing feedback from.the community. However, MCPS should really be doing much more to understand what communities want or need instead of farming out community engagement to the PTAs. And they should have done this before developing any proposals or any dumb rules like that every school should have a criteria based program.

No, Whitman does not need a criteria based program. They already have a multitude of wealth based programs. In Region 1, vanishingly few BCC or Whitman students are going to travel to Einstein or Northwood or even Blair. But a larger portion (not all) Einstein students especially (due to geography) but also Northwood and Blair students, especially if they have cars and no work/sibling care commitments, will be interested in going to Whitman and BCC. It is the reverse of the original intention of the Blair magnet which was to reduce segregation. This plus the boundaries they are proposing will supercharge racial and socioeconomic segregation because the kids that can travel to Whitman and BCC will be wealthier and Whiter than the rest of their home school populations.

Most don’t drive till junior year and will schools provide parking? The expectation that kids have cares is not equity.

Good point. The programs at BCC and Whitman will be for kids whose parents can drive them to and from school. Gee, I wonder what the demographics of that group will be relative to their home school demographics.

There are wealthy neighborhoods in and around Silver Spring / Takoma Park. Those parents could easily drive their kids to B-CC on the way to work.

Maybe to BCC, but Whitman would be a stretch. But, ever considered the wealthy parents don't want their kids in those schools and encouraging that just reduces diversity and increases farms. How about meeting all kids' needs at their home schools, not just a select few?

With the Purple Line, east county kids could easily commute to B-CC. The Purple Line doesn't quite go to Blair or Northwood however.

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CES kids regularly do 45 min bus rides. But by choice.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder which central office staffer thought to themselves "Whitman just doesn't have enough academically advanced kids with lots of resources, we need to bring more into Whitman from East county schools!"

They probably think some families who can’t afford Whitman but want a top rated top resourced school would like a chance to apply in. It’s bizarre to me that people wouldn’t want at least the option for access to a school that is known to be the best. Fine if you don’t want to take advantage of the option and I get the downsides of the commute. But it’s weird that you would think just because you wouldn’t want to send your kid there that nobody would.

It's weird for you to say this when my previous post clearly indicates my concern is that kids/families will want to go to Whitman, not that they won't.

Every MCPS school has academically advanced kids, of all racial and socioeconomic backgrounds. But the availability of advanced coursework in any given school is dependent on "interest" - or more specifically the cohort of academically advanced kids that are interested in taking the course. This is why Whitman's course bulletin lists 9 different AP social studies courses and Einstein has 5. The academically advanced cohort at Einstein is smaller than the one at Whitman (or BCC). Now, you take 50 kids from Einstein and put them in the humanities magnet, another 50 get into the languages program, another 50 go to BCC for IB. What do you think happens to the academically advanced kids that get left behind, either because they can't fit in a 1 hour each way commute or because they struck out in the lottery? They lose more humanities options at Einstein. If you don't put the humanities magnet at Whitman, nothing bad happens to them. Few Whitman students will go to BCC or Northwood, because they have so much advanced humanities courses at their home school. What would be the point of traveling all that way? Plus their cohort is large enough anyway.

I honestly think they could swap the medical programs and put them at Whitman and put the Humanities program at Einstein and give back the performing arts to Northwood and everyone would feel a little more satisfied.

DP - no, thank you. I’m glad Einstein will have medical sciences. Whitman doesn’t need anything special beyond being Whitman and I mean that sincerely.

That’s fine, and you can have your opinion, but they are putting a program in every school so unless you think 24 schools should get a program and Whitman should be excluded because reasons, they’re going to get something. Honestly it doesn’t sound like Einstein people will be satisfied no matter what is offered to them.

We want the same opportunities that your kids get at Whitman at our home schools. If you get arts and academics, shouldn’t our kids as well. I think you don’t understand the huge disparities at each school.

The medical program is very basic.

You’d be much better served advocating as a group for reasonable things like getting the Humanities magnet rather than asking for ridiculous things like getting the humanities AND medical AND performing arts and Northwood and Whitman getting nothing. It seems like you have several very reasonable posters but the unrealistic ones are hurting your cause.

I don't care about humantities. Northwood can advocate for themselves. Whitman has everything they need so saying they get nothing is false. They get to keep everything they have and are in a bubble.

Einstein parents just want to protect VAPA. A Visual and Performing arts magnet only makes sense at Einstein. Einstein has the best arts program in the DCC and arguably the entire county.

“Einstein parents” are not a monolith. I care about things other than VAPA and plenty of other Einstein parents to, too. Stop pretending to speak for the entire group.

+1 adding that this is even more complicated because the majority of families that will be impacted by this do not yet have children at Einstein. Our ES PTA is organizing feedback from.the community. However, MCPS should really be doing much more to understand what communities want or need instead of farming out community engagement to the PTAs. And they should have done this before developing any proposals or any dumb rules like that every school should have a criteria based program.

No, Whitman does not need a criteria based program. They already have a multitude of wealth based programs. In Region 1, vanishingly few BCC or Whitman students are going to travel to Einstein or Northwood or even Blair. But a larger portion (not all) Einstein students especially (due to geography) but also Northwood and Blair students, especially if they have cars and no work/sibling care commitments, will be interested in going to Whitman and BCC. It is the reverse of the original intention of the Blair magnet which was to reduce segregation. This plus the boundaries they are proposing will supercharge racial and socioeconomic segregation because the kids that can travel to Whitman and BCC will be wealthier and Whiter than the rest of their home school populations.

Most don’t drive till junior year and will schools provide parking? The expectation that kids have cares is not equity.

Good point. The programs at BCC and Whitman will be for kids whose parents can drive them to and from school. Gee, I wonder what the demographics of that group will be relative to their home school demographics.

There are wealthy neighborhoods in and around Silver Spring / Takoma Park. Those parents could easily drive their kids to B-CC on the way to work.

Maybe to BCC, but Whitman would be a stretch. But, ever considered the wealthy parents don't want their kids in those schools and encouraging that just reduces diversity and increases farms. How about meeting all kids' needs at their home schools, not just a select few?

With the Purple Line, east county kids could easily commute to B-CC. The Purple Line doesn't quite go to Blair or Northwood however.

Or most of Einstein

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Anonymous wrote:If I live near Oakland Terrace ES, it will take 35 minutes to walk to Einstein before catching a bus to BCC or Whitman that will easily take 25-30 minutes in morning traffic. Much longer on the way back with afternoon traffic.

The poster who thinks since some kids (how many???) have 70 minute bus rides now, these commutes should be fine is a troll who dgaf about kids or education.

Recall that east county people were fine having option 3 in the first round bc some Einstein kids chose to have 70 min bus rides.

Um what? No.

Oh yes. And the maximum time between Blair and BCC is 20 min by bus.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder which central office staffer thought to themselves "Whitman just doesn't have enough academically advanced kids with lots of resources, we need to bring more into Whitman from East county schools!"

They probably think some families who can’t afford Whitman but want a top rated top resourced school would like a chance to apply in. It’s bizarre to me that people wouldn’t want at least the option for access to a school that is known to be the best. Fine if you don’t want to take advantage of the option and I get the downsides of the commute. But it’s weird that you would think just because you wouldn’t want to send your kid there that nobody would.

It's weird for you to say this when my previous post clearly indicates my concern is that kids/families will want to go to Whitman, not that they won't.

Every MCPS school has academically advanced kids, of all racial and socioeconomic backgrounds. But the availability of advanced coursework in any given school is dependent on "interest" - or more specifically the cohort of academically advanced kids that are interested in taking the course. This is why Whitman's course bulletin lists 9 different AP social studies courses and Einstein has 5. The academically advanced cohort at Einstein is smaller than the one at Whitman (or BCC). Now, you take 50 kids from Einstein and put them in the humanities magnet, another 50 get into the languages program, another 50 go to BCC for IB. What do you think happens to the academically advanced kids that get left behind, either because they can't fit in a 1 hour each way commute or because they struck out in the lottery? They lose more humanities options at Einstein. If you don't put the humanities magnet at Whitman, nothing bad happens to them. Few Whitman students will go to BCC or Northwood, because they have so much advanced humanities courses at their home school. What would be the point of traveling all that way? Plus their cohort is large enough anyway.

I honestly think they could swap the medical programs and put them at Whitman and put the Humanities program at Einstein and give back the performing arts to Northwood and everyone would feel a little more satisfied.

DP - no, thank you. I’m glad Einstein will have medical sciences. Whitman doesn’t need anything special beyond being Whitman and I mean that sincerely.

That’s fine, and you can have your opinion, but they are putting a program in every school so unless you think 24 schools should get a program and Whitman should be excluded because reasons, they’re going to get something. Honestly it doesn’t sound like Einstein people will be satisfied no matter what is offered to them.

We want the same opportunities that your kids get at Whitman at our home schools. If you get arts and academics, shouldn’t our kids as well. I think you don’t understand the huge disparities at each school.

The medical program is very basic.

You’d be much better served advocating as a group for reasonable things like getting the Humanities magnet rather than asking for ridiculous things like getting the humanities AND medical AND performing arts and Northwood and Whitman getting nothing. It seems like you have several very reasonable posters but the unrealistic ones are hurting your cause.

I don't care about humantities. Northwood can advocate for themselves. Whitman has everything they need so saying they get nothing is false. They get to keep everything they have and are in a bubble.

Einstein parents just want to protect VAPA. A Visual and Performing arts magnet only makes sense at Einstein. Einstein has the best arts program in the DCC and arguably the entire county.

“Einstein parents” are not a monolith. I care about things other than VAPA and plenty of other Einstein parents to, too. Stop pretending to speak for the entire group.

+1 adding that this is even more complicated because the majority of families that will be impacted by this do not yet have children at Einstein. Our ES PTA is organizing feedback from.the community. However, MCPS should really be doing much more to understand what communities want or need instead of farming out community engagement to the PTAs. And they should have done this before developing any proposals or any dumb rules like that every school should have a criteria based program.

No, Whitman does not need a criteria based program. They already have a multitude of wealth based programs. In Region 1, vanishingly few BCC or Whitman students are going to travel to Einstein or Northwood or even Blair. But a larger portion (not all) Einstein students especially (due to geography) but also Northwood and Blair students, especially if they have cars and no work/sibling care commitments, will be interested in going to Whitman and BCC. It is the reverse of the original intention of the Blair magnet which was to reduce segregation. This plus the boundaries they are proposing will supercharge racial and socioeconomic segregation because the kids that can travel to Whitman and BCC will be wealthier and Whiter than the rest of their home school populations.

Most don’t drive till junior year and will schools provide parking? The expectation that kids have cares is not equity.

Good point. The programs at BCC and Whitman will be for kids whose parents can drive them to and from school. Gee, I wonder what the demographics of that group will be relative to their home school demographics.

There are wealthy neighborhoods in and around Silver Spring / Takoma Park. Those parents could easily drive their kids to B-CC on the way to work.

Maybe to BCC, but Whitman would be a stretch. But, ever considered the wealthy parents don't want their kids in those schools and encouraging that just reduces diversity and increases farms. How about meeting all kids' needs at their home schools, not just a select few?

Heaven forbid your kids go to school with other wealthy children like themselves and they’re not the wealthiest ones anymore.

My kids are not wealthy. They don't have any money. Be real. My kids aren't running to Starbucks and $20 lunches every day, for example. Nor would we allow it. Our values are to fully pay for college and grad school. Many of the more comfortable families at the schools you wouldn't send your kids to aren't living lavish lives and wouldn't fit in. You don't have a clue how much many of the families have or don't have.

It's the culture and attitudes I don't like. It's also harder to get into college from one of those schools.

Imagine coming in here and saying you don’t want your kids to go to Northwood or Einstein bc of the “culture” and “attitudes.”

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Anonymous wrote:If I live near Oakland Terrace ES, it will take 35 minutes to walk to Einstein before catching a bus to BCC or Whitman that will easily take 25-30 minutes in morning traffic. Much longer on the way back with afternoon traffic.

The poster who thinks since some kids (how many???) have 70 minute bus rides now, these commutes should be fine is a troll who dgaf about kids or education.

Recall that east county people were fine having option 3 in the first round bc some Einstein kids chose to have 70 min bus rides.

Um what? No.

Oh yes. And the maximum time between Blair and BCC is 20 min by bus.

Nope. I don't know anyone who wanted Option 3. Our PTA advocated against it.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder which central office staffer thought to themselves "Whitman just doesn't have enough academically advanced kids with lots of resources, we need to bring more into Whitman from East county schools!"

They probably think some families who can’t afford Whitman but want a top rated top resourced school would like a chance to apply in. It’s bizarre to me that people wouldn’t want at least the option for access to a school that is known to be the best. Fine if you don’t want to take advantage of the option and I get the downsides of the commute. But it’s weird that you would think just because you wouldn’t want to send your kid there that nobody would.

It's weird for you to say this when my previous post clearly indicates my concern is that kids/families will want to go to Whitman, not that they won't.

Every MCPS school has academically advanced kids, of all racial and socioeconomic backgrounds. But the availability of advanced coursework in any given school is dependent on "interest" - or more specifically the cohort of academically advanced kids that are interested in taking the course. This is why Whitman's course bulletin lists 9 different AP social studies courses and Einstein has 5. The academically advanced cohort at Einstein is smaller than the one at Whitman (or BCC). Now, you take 50 kids from Einstein and put them in the humanities magnet, another 50 get into the languages program, another 50 go to BCC for IB. What do you think happens to the academically advanced kids that get left behind, either because they can't fit in a 1 hour each way commute or because they struck out in the lottery? They lose more humanities options at Einstein. If you don't put the humanities magnet at Whitman, nothing bad happens to them. Few Whitman students will go to BCC or Northwood, because they have so much advanced humanities courses at their home school. What would be the point of traveling all that way? Plus their cohort is large enough anyway.

I honestly think they could swap the medical programs and put them at Whitman and put the Humanities program at Einstein and give back the performing arts to Northwood and everyone would feel a little more satisfied.

DP - no, thank you. I’m glad Einstein will have medical sciences. Whitman doesn’t need anything special beyond being Whitman and I mean that sincerely.

That’s fine, and you can have your opinion, but they are putting a program in every school so unless you think 24 schools should get a program and Whitman should be excluded because reasons, they’re going to get something. Honestly it doesn’t sound like Einstein people will be satisfied no matter what is offered to them.

We want the same opportunities that your kids get at Whitman at our home schools. If you get arts and academics, shouldn’t our kids as well. I think you don’t understand the huge disparities at each school.

The medical program is very basic.

You’d be much better served advocating as a group for reasonable things like getting the Humanities magnet rather than asking for ridiculous things like getting the humanities AND medical AND performing arts and Northwood and Whitman getting nothing. It seems like you have several very reasonable posters but the unrealistic ones are hurting your cause.

I don't care about humantities. Northwood can advocate for themselves. Whitman has everything they need so saying they get nothing is false. They get to keep everything they have and are in a bubble.

Einstein parents just want to protect VAPA. A Visual and Performing arts magnet only makes sense at Einstein. Einstein has the best arts program in the DCC and arguably the entire county.

“Einstein parents” are not a monolith. I care about things other than VAPA and plenty of other Einstein parents to, too. Stop pretending to speak for the entire group.

+1 adding that this is even more complicated because the majority of families that will be impacted by this do not yet have children at Einstein. Our ES PTA is organizing feedback from.the community. However, MCPS should really be doing much more to understand what communities want or need instead of farming out community engagement to the PTAs. And they should have done this before developing any proposals or any dumb rules like that every school should have a criteria based program.

No, Whitman does not need a criteria based program. They already have a multitude of wealth based programs. In Region 1, vanishingly few BCC or Whitman students are going to travel to Einstein or Northwood or even Blair. But a larger portion (not all) Einstein students especially (due to geography) but also Northwood and Blair students, especially if they have cars and no work/sibling care commitments, will be interested in going to Whitman and BCC. It is the reverse of the original intention of the Blair magnet which was to reduce segregation. This plus the boundaries they are proposing will supercharge racial and socioeconomic segregation because the kids that can travel to Whitman and BCC will be wealthier and Whiter than the rest of their home school populations.

Most don’t drive till junior year and will schools provide parking? The expectation that kids have cares is not equity.

Good point. The programs at BCC and Whitman will be for kids whose parents can drive them to and from school. Gee, I wonder what the demographics of that group will be relative to their home school demographics.

There are wealthy neighborhoods in and around Silver Spring / Takoma Park. Those parents could easily drive their kids to B-CC on the way to work.

Maybe to BCC, but Whitman would be a stretch. But, ever considered the wealthy parents don't want their kids in those schools and encouraging that just reduces diversity and increases farms. How about meeting all kids' needs at their home schools, not just a select few?

Heaven forbid your kids go to school with other wealthy children like themselves and they’re not the wealthiest ones anymore.

My kids are not wealthy. They don't have any money. Be real. My kids aren't running to Starbucks and $20 lunches every day, for example. Nor would we allow it. Our values are to fully pay for college and grad school. Many of the more comfortable families at the schools you wouldn't send your kids to aren't living lavish lives and wouldn't fit in. You don't have a clue how much many of the families have or don't have.

It's the culture and attitudes I don't like. It's also harder to get into college from one of those schools.

Imagine coming in here and saying you don’t want your kids to go to Northwood or Einstein bc of the “culture” and “attitudes.”

DP

The people who say those things about Northwood and Einstein haven't set foot in those schools.

Many DCC parents attended Whitman, BCC and Walter Johnson. We know what we're talking about and so do you.