The thing is we can already tell you're angling for illegal votes when you start mentioning what party it is going to hurt more. It's high time to make our voting systems legitimate and not just in legislation, but in action. End the nonsense and excuses. |
WDYM? Our voting systems are legitimate and the envy of many parts of the world where despots stuff ballot boxes and report that "110% of X province" voted for the strong man. So, please, end the nonsense and excuses. |
Please provide the state and local news cites to substantiate these claims. If not, then you are just spewing talking points. |
For over 200 years, until Trump, all of our elections were legitimate. It was only when Trump lost, that *all of the sudden* we have this massive "voter fraud issue" which magically went away in 2024 (when Trump and the GOP swept the elections) but somehow is critical to fix now (when Trump is going to get crushed in the midterms) |
+1 Why ONLY mention 2020? Never is 2024 mentioned, because obviously he WON. So if 2024 was a good election, maybe, maybe there is nothing to fix Never again will I fall for these "reasonable" arguments for voter ID. The only fair election as far as conservatives, GOP, and MAGA are concerned, is one where they WIN. Because they deserve it, they think |
Give me a link that's not the deseret news Or shut it. Actual voting |
Where is the evidence of illegal votes? Give us one example of an election where the outcome was affected by this. |
There is no evidence of substantive voter fraud. You're looking for a solution to a nonexistent problem. You want legitimate voter systems? Let's talk about getting rid of the electoral college. Make every vote matter. |
So you want to cheat the will of the people, we get it. |
This. Trump is unable to accept that he was rejected in 2020 and the GOP has been pacifying him ever since. Such a waste when there are real issues congress should be addressing. Affordability, for example. |
+1. It’s funny how there is supposedly no voter fraud when Republicans win. |
Bring it on! As I said, this will hurt Republicans more than anything - mark my words. |
And while we’re at it, let’s get rid of mail-in voting so the military posted overseas cannot vote. Isn’t the military predominantly Republican;I can now that we got rid of “woke”? |
What illegal votes. The problem you are talking about is almost non-existent. The Cato institute looked into this and found that even in Fairfax county (which has a very large immigrant population) non-citizen voting is practically non-exisitent. Under the most pessimistic assumptions, non-citizen votes accounted for at most 1/10,000 votes cast in elections over a five year period. Non-citizen registered voters accounted for less than 1/5,000 voters and most of these people never voted at all. The non-citizens who registered mostly did by accident because the DMV registered them when they got their drivers license. The SAVE act is estimated to disenfranchise a minimum of 10 US citizens, but only 1/1,000 non-citizens are registering to vote. Does it really make sense to infringe on the rights of 10 million US citizens to vote, in order to ensure that 25,000 non citizens don't register to vote? This law would violate the rights of 400 US citizens for every one illegal voter registration it prevents. [u] |
It is going to hurt more because MAGA is too stupid to figure it out and too poor to do anything about it. |