My Mom Worked Her Whole Life, But Only Gets My Dad's Social Security — Feels Like a Scam

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Anonymous wrote:If it's so good and self funded why not make it optional


Because it's for the greater good of all. Those of us who make more help those who make less. It's our social contract, far less stringent than many countries.


No thanks. Hopefully there will be a buyout option before they get rid of it similar to fork.

I look forwarded to the email and replying with

RE: Payout


Yeah, you don't seem to get it. And people like you disgust me. It is a bare minimum we do to help the less fortunate.


My Millions in taxes over the last 35+ years have also done a lot to help the less fortunate. At somepoint you cannot just take take take when the people receiving largely dont' care to better themselves (and are capable of doing so)


STFU you ingrate.


One of the wildest things that has come with the conservative movement is people in 3000 square foot houses in beautiful suburbs, with millions in retirement savings, looking around and saying to themselves "this is bulls--t" as they assess the world. The deep resentment they apparently feel blows my mind.


Agree 100%.

I see many friends, family, acquaintances complaining and talking about right wing “anger” and I cannot wrap my head around what they are so upset about. Some are rich, professionally successful. Others are solidly middle class but don’t have to worry about keeping a roof over their head or putting food on the table. All have loving families.

I don’t understand. People who have it all, in essence, and are so resentful that someone else might get something as well?


Americans have had it too easy for too long. They don't know real struggle so they can't appreciate what they have.
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Anonymous wrote:If it's so good and self funded why not make it optional


Because it's for the greater good of all. Those of us who make more help those who make less. It's our social contract, far less stringent than many countries.


No thanks. Hopefully there will be a buyout option before they get rid of it similar to fork.

I look forwarded to the email and replying with

RE: Payout


Yeah, you don't seem to get it. And people like you disgust me. It is a bare minimum we do to help the less fortunate.


My Millions in taxes over the last 35+ years have also done a lot to help the less fortunate. At somepoint you cannot just take take take when the people receiving largely dont' care to better themselves (and are capable of doing so)


If you think you have paid "millions" on OASDI taxes, you are exceedingly stupid. This year, the earnings maximum is $176,100. The OASDI employee tax rate is 6.2%. That means that the most an individual employee will pay in OASDI taxes this year is $10,918. Even if the earnings cap had been the same for the past 35 years (which it obviously wasn't), you will have paid a grand total of $382,137.


Doesn't the employer also pay the same, those considerations of taxes required go into salaries offered by companies. For example when bidding a job as a contractor my rate is based on self employment tax which is 16% so if there was no employer required SS then in theory you would get a higher salary?


"In theory" doing a lot of work there. And even if I did get paid 7.65% more it would not be a good deal compared to getting Medicare from age 65 for the rest of my life and Social Security.
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Anonymous wrote:If it's so good and self funded why not make it optional


Because it's for the greater good of all. Those of us who make more help those who make less. It's our social contract, far less stringent than many countries.


No thanks. Hopefully there will be a buyout option before they get rid of it similar to fork.

I look forwarded to the email and replying with

RE: Payout


Yeah, you don't seem to get it. And people like you disgust me. It is a bare minimum we do to help the less fortunate.


My Millions in taxes over the last 35+ years have also done a lot to help the less fortunate. At somepoint you cannot just take take take when the people receiving largely dont' care to better themselves (and are capable of doing so)


If you think you have paid "millions" on OASDI taxes, you are exceedingly stupid. This year, the earnings maximum is $176,100. The OASDI employee tax rate is 6.2%. That means that the most an individual employee will pay in OASDI taxes this year is $10,918. Even if the earnings cap had been the same for the past 35 years (which it obviously wasn't), you will have paid a grand total of $382,137.


Stated millions in taxes, not for OASDI taxes.
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Anonymous wrote:If it's so good and self funded why not make it optional


Because it's for the greater good of all. Those of us who make more help those who make less. It's our social contract, far less stringent than many countries.


No thanks. Hopefully there will be a buyout option before they get rid of it similar to fork.

I look forwarded to the email and replying with

RE: Payout


Yeah, you don't seem to get it. And people like you disgust me. It is a bare minimum we do to help the less fortunate.


My Millions in taxes over the last 35+ years have also done a lot to help the less fortunate. At somepoint you cannot just take take take when the people receiving largely dont' care to better themselves (and are capable of doing so)


If you think you have paid "millions" on OASDI taxes, you are exceedingly stupid. This year, the earnings maximum is $176,100. The OASDI employee tax rate is 6.2%. That means that the most an individual employee will pay in OASDI taxes this year is $10,918. Even if the earnings cap had been the same for the past 35 years (which it obviously wasn't), you will have paid a grand total of $382,137.


Doesn't the employer also pay the same, those considerations of taxes required go into salaries offered by companies. For example when bidding a job as a contractor my rate is based on self employment tax which is 16% so if there was no employer required SS then in theory you would get a higher salary?


"In theory" doing a lot of work there. And even if I did get paid 7.65% more it would not be a good deal compared to getting Medicare from age 65 for the rest of my life and Social Security.


medicare tax is 1.45% from the employee and company, so 2.9% and that is on ALL income, no cap.
If you have any investment income in retirement, medicare is "not free". So you have paid high taxes on it and yet still have to pay. My spouse and I will have to each pay over $600/month for Part B alone.


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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If it's so good and self funded why not make it optional


Because it's for the greater good of all. Those of us who make more help those who make less. It's our social contract, far less stringent than many countries.


No thanks. Hopefully there will be a buyout option before they get rid of it similar to fork.

I look forwarded to the email and replying with

RE: Payout


Yeah, you don't seem to get it. And people like you disgust me. It is a bare minimum we do to help the less fortunate.


My Millions in taxes over the last 35+ years have also done a lot to help the less fortunate. At somepoint you cannot just take take take when the people receiving largely dont' care to better themselves (and are capable of doing so)


STFU you ingrate.


One of the wildest things that has come with the conservative movement is people in 3000 square foot houses in beautiful suburbs, with millions in retirement savings, looking around and saying to themselves "this is bulls--t" as they assess the world. The deep resentment they apparently feel blows my mind.


Agree 100%.

I see many friends, family, acquaintances complaining and talking about right wing “anger” and I cannot wrap my head around what they are so upset about. Some are rich, professionally successful. Others are solidly middle class but don’t have to worry about keeping a roof over their head or putting food on the table. All have loving families.

I don’t understand. People who have it all, in essence, and are so resentful that someone else might get something as well?


I think there are elements of “comparison is the thief of joy,” plus people don’t know other people’s struggles, plus if you’re surrounded only by people in similar social economic situations it’s easy to think of everyone else as “other” and somehow less deserving than the people you know. Then if you add any fear mongering and disinformation you have really angry people.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If it's so good and self funded why not make it optional


Because it's for the greater good of all. Those of us who make more help those who make less. It's our social contract, far less stringent than many countries.


No thanks. Hopefully there will be a buyout option before they get rid of it similar to fork.

I look forwarded to the email and replying with

RE: Payout


Yeah, you don't seem to get it. And people like you disgust me. It is a bare minimum we do to help the less fortunate.


My Millions in taxes over the last 35+ years have also done a lot to help the less fortunate. At somepoint you cannot just take take take when the people receiving largely dont' care to better themselves (and are capable of doing so)


If you think you have paid "millions" on OASDI taxes, you are exceedingly stupid. This year, the earnings maximum is $176,100. The OASDI employee tax rate is 6.2%. That means that the most an individual employee will pay in OASDI taxes this year is $10,918. Even if the earnings cap had been the same for the past 35 years (which it obviously wasn't), you will have paid a grand total of $382,137.


Doesn't the employer also pay the same, those considerations of taxes required go into salaries offered by companies. For example when bidding a job as a contractor my rate is based on self employment tax which is 16% so if there was no employer required SS then in theory you would get a higher salary?


"In theory" doing a lot of work there. And even if I did get paid 7.65% more it would not be a good deal compared to getting Medicare from age 65 for the rest of my life and Social Security.


medicare tax is 1.45% from the employee and company, so 2.9% and that is on ALL income, no cap.
If you have any investment income in retirement, medicare is "not free". So you have paid high taxes on it and yet still have to pay. My spouse and I will have to each pay over $600/month for Part B alone.




WHAT! I didn't realize we would have to pay for medicare each month in retirement, WHAT THE HELL. And i bet that can go up. WOW. I am looking at it and it looks like the non pay option only covers hositpial visits and emergency care but if you want a real health insurance which is B you need to pay a premium. THIS IS WILD.
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If it's so good and self funded why not make it optional


Because it's for the greater good of all. Those of us who make more help those who make less. It's our social contract, far less stringent than many countries.


No thanks. Hopefully there will be a buyout option before they get rid of it similar to fork.

I look forwarded to the email and replying with

RE: Payout


Yeah, you don't seem to get it. And people like you disgust me. It is a bare minimum we do to help the less fortunate.


My Millions in taxes over the last 35+ years have also done a lot to help the less fortunate. At somepoint you cannot just take take take when the people receiving largely dont' care to better themselves (and are capable of doing so)


If you think you have paid "millions" on OASDI taxes, you are exceedingly stupid. This year, the earnings maximum is $176,100. The OASDI employee tax rate is 6.2%. That means that the most an individual employee will pay in OASDI taxes this year is $10,918. Even if the earnings cap had been the same for the past 35 years (which it obviously wasn't), you will have paid a grand total of $382,137.


Doesn't the employer also pay the same, those considerations of taxes required go into salaries offered by companies. For example when bidding a job as a contractor my rate is based on self employment tax which is 16% so if there was no employer required SS then in theory you would get a higher salary?


"In theory" doing a lot of work there. And even if I did get paid 7.65% more it would not be a good deal compared to getting Medicare from age 65 for the rest of my life and Social Security.


medicare tax is 1.45% from the employee and company, so 2.9% and that is on ALL income, no cap.
If you have any investment income in retirement, medicare is "not free". So you have paid high taxes on it and yet still have to pay. My spouse and I will have to each pay over $600/month for Part B alone.




WHAT! I didn't realize we would have to pay for medicare each month in retirement, WHAT THE HELL. And i bet that can go up. WOW. I am looking at it and it looks like the non pay option only covers hositpial visits and emergency care but if you want a real health insurance which is B you need to pay a premium. THIS IS WILD.


If you are poor, you can get qmb where medicaid pays your Medicare premium. If you are rich, there are premiums (figuring out part d, medigap, and Medicare advantage is going to blow your mind!) but it's a lot cheaper than private insurance. My parents retired in their early 60s and buying insurance on the exchange was about $1500 a month and there were still deductible and copay. Medicare is a huge savings.
Anonymous
Disclaimer- Didn't read the thread and know little to nothing about social security.

So social security payments are based upon your income during your working years.

But there is an option to collect from someone else, so your income is basically irrelevant (assuming it's less than your spouse) if you are married.

And I'm assuming everyone is paying for this benefit.

Something about this doesn't seem right



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Anonymous wrote:If it's so good and self funded why not make it optional


Because it's for the greater good of all. Those of us who make more help those who make less. It's our social contract, far less stringent than many countries.


No thanks. Hopefully there will be a buyout option before they get rid of it similar to fork.

I look forwarded to the email and replying with

RE: Payout


Yeah, you don't seem to get it. And people like you disgust me. It is a bare minimum we do to help the less fortunate.


My Millions in taxes over the last 35+ years have also done a lot to help the less fortunate. At somepoint you cannot just take take take when the people receiving largely dont' care to better themselves (and are capable of doing so)


If you think you have paid "millions" on OASDI taxes, you are exceedingly stupid. This year, the earnings maximum is $176,100. The OASDI employee tax rate is 6.2%. That means that the most an individual employee will pay in OASDI taxes this year is $10,918. Even if the earnings cap had been the same for the past 35 years (which it obviously wasn't), you will have paid a grand total of $382,137.


Doesn't the employer also pay the same, those considerations of taxes required go into salaries offered by companies. For example when bidding a job as a contractor my rate is based on self employment tax which is 16% so if there was no employer required SS then in theory you would get a higher salary?


"In theory" doing a lot of work there. And even if I did get paid 7.65% more it would not be a good deal compared to getting Medicare from age 65 for the rest of my life and Social Security.


medicare tax is 1.45% from the employee and company, so 2.9% and that is on ALL income, no cap.
If you have any investment income in retirement, medicare is "not free". So you have paid high taxes on it and yet still have to pay. My spouse and I will have to each pay over $600/month for Part B alone.




WHAT! I didn't realize we would have to pay for medicare each month in retirement, WHAT THE HELL. And i bet that can go up. WOW. I am looking at it and it looks like the non pay option only covers hositpial visits and emergency care but if you want a real health insurance which is B you need to pay a premium. THIS IS WILD.


Yup---Part B premiums start at $185/month(per individual) (if you make less than $106K)
and go up to $628 (per individual) if married and make more than $394K/year.
So yes, each individual pays $185/month for Medicare Part B and another $36/month for Part D (Prescription coverage).
So $221 per individual and $442 for a couple making less than $106K.

And IMO, every person (including those over 65) need "real health insurance" and prescription coverage. So Part B and D are not really "optional".

Once again proving that the healthcare in this country is messed up. Doesn't have to be, we waste a ton. And fact is, something like healthcare should never be "for profit" with Aetna, BCBS, UHC, Kaiser, etc making millions yearly and paying the execs $10s of millions yearly. It's healthcare and should be a basic right, not something people are attempting to profit from




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Anonymous wrote:If it's so good and self funded why not make it optional


Because it's for the greater good of all. Those of us who make more help those who make less. It's our social contract, far less stringent than many countries.


No thanks. Hopefully there will be a buyout option before they get rid of it similar to fork.

I look forwarded to the email and replying with

RE: Payout


Yeah, you don't seem to get it. And people like you disgust me. It is a bare minimum we do to help the less fortunate.


My Millions in taxes over the last 35+ years have also done a lot to help the less fortunate. At somepoint you cannot just take take take when the people receiving largely dont' care to better themselves (and are capable of doing so)


If you think you have paid "millions" on OASDI taxes, you are exceedingly stupid. This year, the earnings maximum is $176,100. The OASDI employee tax rate is 6.2%. That means that the most an individual employee will pay in OASDI taxes this year is $10,918. Even if the earnings cap had been the same for the past 35 years (which it obviously wasn't), you will have paid a grand total of $382,137.


Doesn't the employer also pay the same, those considerations of taxes required go into salaries offered by companies. For example when bidding a job as a contractor my rate is based on self employment tax which is 16% so if there was no employer required SS then in theory you would get a higher salary?


"In theory" doing a lot of work there. And even if I did get paid 7.65% more it would not be a good deal compared to getting Medicare from age 65 for the rest of my life and Social Security.


medicare tax is 1.45% from the employee and company, so 2.9% and that is on ALL income, no cap.
If you have any investment income in retirement, medicare is "not free". So you have paid high taxes on it and yet still have to pay. My spouse and I will have to each pay over $600/month for Part B alone.




WHAT! I didn't realize we would have to pay for medicare each month in retirement, WHAT THE HELL. And i bet that can go up. WOW. I am looking at it and it looks like the non pay option only covers hositpial visits and emergency care but if you want a real health insurance which is B you need to pay a premium. THIS IS WILD.


If you are poor, you can get qmb where medicaid pays your Medicare premium. If you are rich, there are premiums (figuring out part d, medigap, and Medicare advantage is going to blow your mind!) but it's a lot cheaper than private insurance. My parents retired in their early 60s and buying insurance on the exchange was about $1500 a month and there were still deductible and copay. Medicare is a huge savings.


Yes, medicare is a "savings" over the private/exchange plans. Those will run you much more than $1500/month in my state (unless you mean $1500/month per person, but even then it's closer to $1800/month/person when you are 60+, and $7K+ deductibles per person as well)
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If it's so good and self funded why not make it optional


Because it's for the greater good of all. Those of us who make more help those who make less. It's our social contract, far less stringent than many countries.


No thanks. Hopefully there will be a buyout option before they get rid of it similar to fork.

I look forwarded to the email and replying with

RE: Payout


Yeah, you don't seem to get it. And people like you disgust me. It is a bare minimum we do to help the less fortunate.


My Millions in taxes over the last 35+ years have also done a lot to help the less fortunate. At somepoint you cannot just take take take when the people receiving largely dont' care to better themselves (and are capable of doing so)


STFU you ingrate.


One of the wildest things that has come with the conservative movement is people in 3000 square foot houses in beautiful suburbs, with millions in retirement savings, looking around and saying to themselves "this is bulls--t" as they assess the world. The deep resentment they apparently feel blows my mind.


Agree 100%.

I see many friends, family, acquaintances complaining and talking about right wing “anger” and I cannot wrap my head around what they are so upset about. Some are rich, professionally successful. Others are solidly middle class but don’t have to worry about keeping a roof over their head or putting food on the table. All have loving families.

I don’t understand. People who have it all, in essence, and are so resentful that someone else might get something as well?


Americans have had it too easy for too long. They don't know real struggle so they can't appreciate what they have.


Yes- I think of it as inheriting a strong house, maybe needs some work. You are so used to the house standing that you don't really understand it's structure. You get a bit cold one day, and decide "hey maybe that big long piece of wood over there is good to build a fire!"

You don't know that of course it's a structural support for the house- sort of like social security or NATO. At first you get warm fast, this is great! There are all sorts of big pieces of wood just right there for the taking, might as well burn them too- support beams like FDIC, federal courts, etc. You don't understand how the house was built or the effort of upkeep, so you piece by piece destroy it for momentary...whatever.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If it's so good and self funded why not make it optional


Because it's for the greater good of all. Those of us who make more help those who make less. It's our social contract, far less stringent than many countries.


No thanks. Hopefully there will be a buyout option before they get rid of it similar to fork.

I look forwarded to the email and replying with

RE: Payout


Yeah, you don't seem to get it. And people like you disgust me. It is a bare minimum we do to help the less fortunate.


My Millions in taxes over the last 35+ years have also done a lot to help the less fortunate. At somepoint you cannot just take take take when the people receiving largely dont' care to better themselves (and are capable of doing so)


If you think you have paid "millions" on OASDI taxes, you are exceedingly stupid. This year, the earnings maximum is $176,100. The OASDI employee tax rate is 6.2%. That means that the most an individual employee will pay in OASDI taxes this year is $10,918. Even if the earnings cap had been the same for the past 35 years (which it obviously wasn't), you will have paid a grand total of $382,137.


Doesn't the employer also pay the same, those considerations of taxes required go into salaries offered by companies. For example when bidding a job as a contractor my rate is based on self employment tax which is 16% so if there was no employer required SS then in theory you would get a higher salary?


"In theory" doing a lot of work there. And even if I did get paid 7.65% more it would not be a good deal compared to getting Medicare from age 65 for the rest of my life and Social Security.


medicare tax is 1.45% from the employee and company, so 2.9% and that is on ALL income, no cap.
If you have any investment income in retirement, medicare is "not free". So you have paid high taxes on it and yet still have to pay. My spouse and I will have to each pay over $600/month for Part B alone.




WHAT! I didn't realize we would have to pay for medicare each month in retirement, WHAT THE HELL. And i bet that can go up. WOW. I am looking at it and it looks like the non pay option only covers hositpial visits and emergency care but if you want a real health insurance which is B you need to pay a premium. THIS IS WILD.


If you are poor, you can get qmb where medicaid pays your Medicare premium. If you are rich, there are premiums (figuring out part d, medigap, and Medicare advantage is going to blow your mind!) but it's a lot cheaper than private insurance. My parents retired in their early 60s and buying insurance on the exchange was about $1500 a month and there were still deductible and copay. Medicare is a huge savings.


Same with my parents. 1100 each PPO private pay (cheaper than aca bc they could get through mom’s union) and now with dad still working self employed they are each paying $600/month for A B and N Medicare. So big savings. My grandmother with no income other than SSI and small pension pays something like $65/month with great coverage.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If it's so good and self funded why not make it optional


Because it's for the greater good of all. Those of us who make more help those who make less. It's our social contract, far less stringent than many countries.


No thanks. Hopefully there will be a buyout option before they get rid of it similar to fork.

I look forwarded to the email and replying with

RE: Payout


Yeah, you don't seem to get it. And people like you disgust me. It is a bare minimum we do to help the less fortunate.


My Millions in taxes over the last 35+ years have also done a lot to help the less fortunate. At somepoint you cannot just take take take when the people receiving largely dont' care to better themselves (and are capable of doing so)


STFU you ingrate.


One of the wildest things that has come with the conservative movement is people in 3000 square foot houses in beautiful suburbs, with millions in retirement savings, looking around and saying to themselves "this is bulls--t" as they assess the world. The deep resentment they apparently feel blows my mind.


Agree 100%.

I see many friends, family, acquaintances complaining and talking about right wing “anger” and I cannot wrap my head around what they are so upset about. Some are rich, professionally successful. Others are solidly middle class but don’t have to worry about keeping a roof over their head or putting food on the table. All have loving families.

I don’t understand. People who have it all, in essence, and are so resentful that someone else might get something as well?


Americans have had it too easy for too long. They don't know real struggle so they can't appreciate what they have.


Yes- I think of it as inheriting a strong house, maybe needs some work. You are so used to the house standing that you don't really understand it's structure. You get a bit cold one day, and decide "hey maybe that big long piece of wood over there is good to build a fire!"

You don't know that of course it's a structural support for the house- sort of like social security or NATO. At first you get warm fast, this is great! There are all sorts of big pieces of wood just right there for the taking, might as well burn them too- support beams like FDIC, federal courts, etc. You don't understand how the house was built or the effort of upkeep, so you piece by piece destroy it for momentary...whatever.


Brilliantly put! Might even be accessible enough to break through to some MAGAs. Maybe.
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Anonymous wrote:If it's so good and self funded why not make it optional


Because it's for the greater good of all. Those of us who make more help those who make less. It's our social contract, far less stringent than many countries.


No thanks. Hopefully there will be a buyout option before they get rid of it similar to fork.

I look forwarded to the email and replying with

RE: Payout


Yeah, you don't seem to get it. And people like you disgust me. It is a bare minimum we do to help the less fortunate.


My Millions in taxes over the last 35+ years have also done a lot to help the less fortunate. At somepoint you cannot just take take take when the people receiving largely dont' care to better themselves (and are capable of doing so)


STFU you ingrate.


One of the wildest things that has come with the conservative movement is people in 3000 square foot houses in beautiful suburbs, with millions in retirement savings, looking around and saying to themselves "this is bulls--t" as they assess the world. The deep resentment they apparently feel blows my mind.


Agree 100%.

I see many friends, family, acquaintances complaining and talking about right wing “anger” and I cannot wrap my head around what they are so upset about. Some are rich, professionally successful. Others are solidly middle class but don’t have to worry about keeping a roof over their head or putting food on the table. All have loving families.

I don’t understand. People who have it all, in essence, and are so resentful that someone else might get something as well?


Americans have had it too easy for too long. They don't know real struggle so they can't appreciate what they have.


Yes- I think of it as inheriting a strong house, maybe needs some work. You are so used to the house standing that you don't really understand it's structure. You get a bit cold one day, and decide "hey maybe that big long piece of wood over there is good to build a fire!"

You don't know that of course it's a structural support for the house- sort of like social security or NATO. At first you get warm fast, this is great! There are all sorts of big pieces of wood just right there for the taking, might as well burn them too- support beams like FDIC, federal courts, etc. You don't understand how the house was built or the effort of upkeep, so you piece by piece destroy it for momentary...whatever.


Brilliantly put! Might even be accessible enough to break through to some MAGAs. Maybe.


It's the same as the private equity playbook- burning through customer goodwill for short term cash. You destroy the long-term value, but who cares? You are long gone by then.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Disclaimer- Didn't read the thread and know little to nothing about social security.

So social security payments are based upon your income during your working years.

But there is an option to collect from someone else, so your income is basically irrelevant (assuming it's less than your spouse) if you are married.

And I'm assuming everyone is paying for this benefit.

Something about this doesn't seem right





Wow, thanks for adding nothing to conversation. Are you a foreign agent like OP?
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