Will Maga just watch the sinking ship or admit they were wrong?

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Anonymous wrote:The pandemic proved a worthy opponent for Trump because it was unaffected by his insults. Perhaps the same is true of the economy?

Yes. It’s called the “invisible hand” of the market for a reason. And the invisible hand is slapping Trump bigly.

All because he couldn’t handle not being reelected in 2020.

+1 I stated repeatedly, this was going to be a big FU presidency. He doesn't actually care about the average Joe (pardon the pun).

No, actually, you elitist democrats don't care about the average Joe. As long as money pours into DC and you get your check, you couldn't care less.

Why do people keep saying “ elitist democrats”! I grew up working class. Everyone in my family is still working class. I did well. They need head start for preschool, they need scholarships for college, they need aca and Medicaid, they took the stimulus, they need unions. I don’t but I know they do. They voted for trump. I did not because I care about them even though they have no idea they voted against their own interests.

When you ask them why it’s because…he says it like it is, he’s a business man, he’s kicking out the illegals. That’s it.

Dems never push back on this. Remember how everyone said Kerry was a rich elite because he’d married into wealth, while everyone thought he was so folksy, BUT he owned a baseball team. He was filthy rich!

I was mad at the Dems then, and am mad now for not being shooting down this narrative at every opportunity!

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^^ thought GWB was so folksy

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Anonymous wrote:The pandemic proved a worthy opponent for Trump because it was unaffected by his insults. Perhaps the same is true of the economy?

Yes. It’s called the “invisible hand” of the market for a reason. And the invisible hand is slapping Trump bigly.

All because he couldn’t handle not being reelected in 2020.

+1 I stated repeatedly, this was going to be a big FU presidency. He doesn't actually care about the average Joe (pardon the pun).

No, actually, you elitist democrats don't care about the average Joe. As long as money pours into DC and you get your check, you couldn't care less.

Why do people keep saying “ elitist democrats”! I grew up working class. Everyone in my family is still working class. I did well. They need head start for preschool, they need scholarships for college, they need aca and Medicaid, they took the stimulus, they need unions. I don’t but I know they do. They voted for trump. I did not because I care about them even though they have no idea they voted against their own interests.

When you ask them why it’s because…he says it like it is, he’s a business man, he’s kicking out the illegals. That’s it.

There is a big difference between registered Dem voters and the wealthy elites calling the shots at the DNC. Needless to say, the regular people voters aren't the problem. If someone uses the term "Dem elites" they are referring to the garbage that has taken control of the party by using their wealth to gain power.

You, I and 99% of our fellow Americans aren't the problem. Money in politics is what has led to complete dysfunction in our two major political parties.

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Anonymous wrote:The true MAGA? It is a cult and they will go down with the ship. The more moderate voters? Pitchforks are coming.

No, I disagree.
Please stop calling them a cult. They are people who have been brainwashed by years of watching Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.
Some of them will never admit they were scammed, but a lot of them will figure it out, if Democrats reach out to them and don't treat them like scum for their racist homophobic, whatever-ist views. They are entitled to be racist, etc.! But if you can ignore that crap and focus on the economy, they will vote with Democrats so we can take over the House and Senate and boot these criminals out via impeachment and removal.
Republicans don't demand that their MAGAs agree with every part of their agenda, unlike Democrats who call them names and belittle them. I don't agree with anything about MAGA, yet I think it's worth trying to find common ground with them instead of rejecting and despising them thoroughly for their views, which you and I don't agree with. You can't treat people that way and expect they won't get angry.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think that they will ever admit that voting for a guy that can’t say a recession isn’t coming after he told them he’d have prices coming down, will ever say he was a mistake?

Everything is great from how I see things. Common sense is prevailing. If you referring to the stock market, it doesn’t go up in a straight line. Let’s review in 4 years and then you can judge.

Yeah, just the common sense stuff.

Torch our alliances with our closest allies. Trample the constitution. Destroy the entire federal government. Crash the economy completely. Yeah let’s give it 4 years before judging.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a great example if the Dems would admit their mistakes from the past 10 years. Maybe that would inspire Republicans to be more critical of Trump’s first 60 days?

WTH. Why is it always on the Dems? Like seriously? The GOP controls the legislature. AT ANY MOMENT, they can make this go away.

It's on the Dems because we are the Dems. And we just got our but*s handed to us by...an unfit, beyond the pale, terrible person who all the voters already knew very well! Who the voters apparently preferred to our offering. So obviously we must have made some mistakes in the past 10 years. And if we don't (or can't) acknowledge or correct any of them, we might continue losing.

We think Trump should be immediately impeached by his own party, but we would think that, wouldn't we? The reason the Republicans in Congress don't think that is because their constituents don't think that. Trump has been the best thing ever to happen to Republicans. We may respect the whole party less, but that party is winning now, and they weren't before.

What happens when they run a populist Republican who isn't a lunatic like Trump? What's our plan to beat that person? Did we make any mistakes with our past three candidates, our immigration policies, our DEI policies? Or should we just plow forward with more of the same and hope for the best?

It's not fair for us to be self-critical when the Republicans have a lot more to be self-critical about. But it's strategically important for us. Losing to Trump in 2024 is embarrassing. And it happened in part because of us. How can we prevent it from happening again next time?

Trump was elected to a second term because Joe Biden in 2024 was as weak and unpopular of an incumbent POTUS as Trump was in 2020. If you want to fairly criticize Dems for allowing a Trump second term to happen, put a spotlight on the elite powers in the Dem Party that paved the way for a 77 year old Biden to become the Dem nominee in 2020.

He was unpopular because the media harped on baby formula, egg prices and Hunter dick pix and never really reported on how good the US economy actually was. if the media gave trump anything close to the same treatment in 2020 or now, or during the campaign, we wouldn't be here.

Hilarious cope. Dems only lost because of…the media?

Media sponging GOP talking points uncritically got us here on the trans issue, which at the high school sports level is like a handful of cases, so yes, the media was part of it. the dems are also awful at messaging.

There’s no good way to message the trans athletes position. “There aren’t that many and why are Republicans so obsessed” doesn’t erase the fact that our party supports biological males on the girls’ sports team and i. The girls’ locker room. The voters no likey. We either have to throw trans folk overboard and win, or stand by them and lose with dignity. Ain’t no messaging can fix this unpopular position. Wait until the MAPs start whining about being oppressed. If we take that bait like we took the trans oppression bait, we will be doomed to wander the wilderness, out of power for half a century

Or we could just focus on nominating someone with legitimate POTUS leadership skills like the last two Dem two-term POTUSs had instead of bending over for the party elites by accepting another Biden thrown in our face.

All this silly concern about messaging goes away when you have a LEGITIMATE leader crafting and communicating their own messaging.

Not even great communicators Barack Obama or Bill Clinton could sell trans athletes to the voters. Not that they’d even try. Those two were arch-conservatives by today’s standards

No one is trying to sell "trans athletes" to the voters. The GOP was successful in fabricating a false narrative regarding Biden's campaign platform due to Biden being a very weak leader and poor communicator. This can easily be fixed by having more Clintons and Obamas and less Bidens.

Why don’t Democrats have a leader?
Or is it still Obama?

The current Dem "leader" is a small group of very wealthy and powerful people pushing the DNC buttons. The current GOP "leader" is the worst president in American history. Will our careless and ignorant voters still support the garbage coming our of these parties when the 2028 POTUS election comes around?? I bet they will.

Dem leader appears to be Alex Soros

True, and funding today’s terrorists at Trump Tower.

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You’re not elite, of course, only the megadonors are. But we are their footsoldiers. Upper middle class striver Dems. High opinions of ourselves. Quite sure that our party helps people so mich and our own families are too stupid to recognize the no ility and selflessness of the dcurbanmoms crew. Textbook. How do the illegal immigrants help the family you condescend to? How do all the affirmative action and DEI quotas help them? Do they agree with you that layoffs of federal bureaucrats will surely lead to the end of headstart and medicaid? Do they agree with you that Democrats fight against income inequality even though income inequality has never decreased under Democrats in your lifetime?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think that they will ever admit that voting for a guy that can’t say a recession isn’t coming after he told them he’d have prices coming down, will ever say he was a mistake?

Everything is great from how I see things. Common sense is prevailing. If you referring to the stock market, it doesn’t go up in a straight line. Let’s review in 4 years and then you can judge.

Yeah, just the common sense stuff.

Torch our alliances with our closest allies. Trample the constitution. Destroy the entire federal government. Crash the economy completely. Yeah let’s give it 4 years before judging.

Democrats are sufferng from “lead character syndrome.” In spite of theor trouncing by Trump, they assume they are still powerful. So instead of plotting to tetake power in 2 or 4 or 8 years,they are STILL in denial of being less powerful and relevant today. So it’s all screeching, all resisting, all in the moment reaction stuff, and no planning. We think we’re the king and Trump is an errant knight who must be disciplined. We don’t even seem to realize we’re outside of the castle walls

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It will shock you, but most Republicans think that Democrats are far MORE corrupt than Trump and co. I know it’s hard to believe, but it’s true. Not most MAGA, most Republicans. Sure, Trump and Musk are self-dealing billionaires. And sure, a lot of the right wing grifters are selling supplements and stuff. But Republicans see a MILLION insider Dems on the take, a huge group of taxpayer looters, looting at scale for 50 years. “Trump is the most corrupt person ever” is a partisan talking point and a partisan belief. Most Republicans think the opposite. independents think the two parties are equally corrupt, with Dems slightly worse. Only Dems thing Trump and co are more corrupt than Dems

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Anonymous wrote:The true MAGA? It is a cult and they will go down with the ship. The more moderate voters? Pitchforks are coming.

No, I disagree.
Please stop calling them a cult. They are people who have been brainwashed by years of watching Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.
Some of them will never admit they were scammed, but a lot of them will figure it out, if Democrats reach out to them and don't treat them like scum for their racist homophobic, whatever-ist views. They are entitled to be racist, etc.! But if you can ignore that crap and focus on the economy, they will vote with Democrats so we can take over the House and Senate and boot these criminals out via impeachment and removal.
Republicans don't demand that their MAGAs agree with every part of their agenda, unlike Democrats who call them names and belittle them. I don't agree with anything about MAGA, yet I think it's worth trying to find common ground with them instead of rejecting and despising them thoroughly for their views, which you and I don't agree with. You can't treat people that way and expect they won't get angry.

It’s too late for Dems to make nice. More voters have pulled the lever for Trump than for anyone else in the last 10 years,, and white upper middle class liberals in general and Democratic politicians in particular have been calling them stupid racist traitor cultists the whole time. The party spat on everyone and now people don’t like Democrats. It’s a big hole to dig out of.

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Anonymous wrote:The true MAGA? It is a cult and they will go down with the ship. The more moderate voters? Pitchforks are coming.

No, I disagree.
Please stop calling them a cult. They are people who have been brainwashed by years of watching Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.
Some of them will never admit they were scammed, but a lot of them will figure it out, if Democrats reach out to them and don't treat them like scum for their racist homophobic, whatever-ist views. They are entitled to be racist, etc.! But if you can ignore that crap and focus on the economy, they will vote with Democrats so we can take over the House and Senate and boot these criminals out via impeachment and removal.
Republicans don't demand that their MAGAs agree with every part of their agenda, unlike Democrats who call them names and belittle them. I don't agree with anything about MAGA, yet I think it's worth trying to find common ground with them instead of rejecting and despising them thoroughly for their views, which you and I don't agree with. You can't treat people that way and expect they won't get angry.

What entitles them to be racist, etc.?

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Anonymous wrote:It will shock you, but most Republicans think that Democrats are far MORE corrupt than Trump and co. I know it’s hard to believe, but it’s true. Not most MAGA, most Republicans. Sure, Trump and Musk are self-dealing billionaires. And sure, a lot of the right wing grifters are selling supplements and stuff. But Republicans see a MILLION insider Dems on the take, a huge group of taxpayer looters, looting at scale for 50 years. “Trump is the most corrupt person ever” is a partisan talking point and a partisan belief. Most Republicans think the opposite. independents think the two parties are equally corrupt, with Dems slightly worse. Only Dems thing Trump and co are more corrupt than Dems

The fact that Russian misinformation campaigns have fueled these delusions to influence our election does not make them true. Never forget the craziness of pizza gate. There are absolutely vile scumbag politicians on both sides, and Russia threw misinformation at both sides for sure. But it appears they ultimately found the most vulnerable group in the rabid Trump supporters.

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Anonymous wrote:It will shock you, but most Republicans think that Democrats are far MORE corrupt than Trump and co. I know it’s hard to believe, but it’s true. Not most MAGA, most Republicans. Sure, Trump and Musk are self-dealing billionaires. And sure, a lot of the right wing grifters are selling supplements and stuff. But Republicans see a MILLION insider Dems on the take, a huge group of taxpayer looters, looting at scale for 50 years. “Trump is the most corrupt person ever” is a partisan talking point and a partisan belief. Most Republicans think the opposite. independents think the two parties are equally corrupt, with Dems slightly worse. Only Dems thing Trump and co are more corrupt than Dems

Let me simplify this for you:

99% of the American people- good, well meaning people

100% of American major political parties- awful, corrupt, dysfunctional, need to be replaced entities

99% of Congressional members- corrupt, awful, dysfunctional politicians that care only for themselves and their portfolios

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Anonymous wrote:Wanted this and expected this. Why should we admit we were wrong? Your line of thinking is very puzzling for a Trump voter.

Why did you want cancer research to stop and the economy to collapse?

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Anonymous wrote:Wanted this and expected this. Why should we admit we were wrong? Your line of thinking is very puzzling for a Trump voter.

Why did you want cancer research to stop and the economy to collapse?

They didn't want this. They're idiots. We have way too many idiots in this country. People don't elect people as old as Trump and Biden if they aren't complete and utter idiots. Way tooooooo many!