Will Maga just watch the sinking ship or admit they were wrong?

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Anonymous wrote:We’ll never win an election again. The next party to beat the Republicans will have a different name. We can’t drop any of our beliefs, no matter how unpopular. Trans, J6, no human is illegal, Republicans belong in prison, double masking kills germs, etc etc

Dems did not run on trans issues. J6 was a domestic terrorist attack and I’m astounded anyone would feel otherwise. And what is so objectionable about a human not being illegal? Why shouldn’t we expect our elected leaders to form immigration policy with some sense of decorum and moral responsibility. Talking about human beings in a derogatory manner is disgusting propaganda. No one is trying to put republicans in prison except for the J6-ers or anyone who committed a crime. No one is double masking. I haven’t worn a mask in years despite being a liberal. These are all such throw away stupid arguments for blaming dems for any of this.

You’re very comfortable with, and committed to, your political beliefs. The American public is less comfortable with them. You are astounded that anyone might disagree with you about Jan 6. And yet clearly most voters do. You think Americans have a moral responsibility toward invading illegal aliens. Most voters disagree with you. Democrats have a choice. They can stay pure, according to their latest shared beliefs. Or they can give the voters what they want, and win elections. They can’t do both.

Most voters don't disagree with J6. Where are you seeing that?

Most voters do not agree that the President fomented a domestic terrorist attack on our Democracy. That’s why they didn’t mind voting for him. Most didn’t pay any attention to the J6 committee. And most don’t even agree that 2020 was “the most secure and least suspicious election in American history.” A lot of assertions that we take as holy writ within our partisan circles…are disagreed with by the public.

First of all, Trump failed to garner 50% of the popular vote when running against a last minute replacement candidate who replaced a very unpopular incumbent and who also happened to be that unpopular incumbent's VP. Any normal/average GOP candidate would have secured 65% of the popular vote and 500 electoral votes.

Second of all, what we know for sure Trump did on J6 is ignore all pleas for his help for three hours while a mob of hundreds forcefully breached security at the US Capitol Building and chased our most prominent government officials to the basement while seeking to "hang" the American VP. While this was going on- Trump did nothing for three hours!!! This is why he couldn't even garner 50% of the popular vote when running against the most weakened and vulnerable POTUS election opponent in American history.

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Anonymous wrote:So it seems after 20+ pages, that MAGA doesn’t care the ship is sinking.

MAGA definitely doesn’t care, and it doesn’t seem like any of Trump’s other voters (Republicans, Independents, Disaffected Dems) care much either. It’s very hard, even in a collapse, for a Trump voter to say “Oh, I wish we had Kamala.” Frankly, I haven’t heard any Democrats saying that either. Even among Dems, there’s way more anti-Trump sentiment than pro Kamala sentiment.

I get that Trump voters are not going to say that they wish they had voted for Kamala. But, correct me if I’m wrong, they voted for Trump because of the economy and immigration. Trump is destroying the economy and they are not holding him accountable.

Presidents are only ever “held accountable” in the next election. We keep hoping the GOP will discipline Trump, or that someone will arrest him. Because we know deep down that our policies are unpopular and ineffective, and our candidates uncharismatic. We don’t believe we can win. And we amay be right. We have some baggage.

Exactly. Trump was held accountable for his awfulness in 2020 and then Biden was held accountable for his awfulness in 2024. The GOP will once again be held accountable for Trump's awfulness in 2028.

We are in a cycle of weakness that needs to end in 2028. No more Bidens and more importantly, no more Trumps! Do better people.

What do you think will be left in 2028? Free and fair elections? A decent economy? A social safety net? Secure personal data? Alliances with other democracies? Freedom to criticize our government without retribution? Because I think it's all in jeopardy.

Then we should win the next election and rebuild. We already went down the path of resisting, and iy brought us here. We have to start thinking 2 years out, not two weeks out. We are so predictably reactive to Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:We’ll never win an election again. The next party to beat the Republicans will have a different name. We can’t drop any of our beliefs, no matter how unpopular. Trans, J6, no human is illegal, Republicans belong in prison, double masking kills germs, etc etc

Dems did not run on trans issues. J6 was a domestic terrorist attack and I’m astounded anyone would feel otherwise. And what is so objectionable about a human not being illegal? Why shouldn’t we expect our elected leaders to form immigration policy with some sense of decorum and moral responsibility. Talking about human beings in a derogatory manner is disgusting propaganda. No one is trying to put republicans in prison except for the J6-ers or anyone who committed a crime. No one is double masking. I haven’t worn a mask in years despite being a liberal. These are all such throw away stupid arguments for blaming dems for any of this.

You’re very comfortable with, and committed to, your political beliefs. The American public is less comfortable with them. You are astounded that anyone might disagree with you about Jan 6. And yet clearly most voters do. You think Americans have a moral responsibility toward invading illegal aliens. Most voters disagree with you. Democrats have a choice. They can stay pure, according to their latest shared beliefs. Or they can give the voters what they want, and win elections. They can’t do both.

Most voters don't disagree with J6. Where are you seeing that?

Most voters do not agree that the President fomented a domestic terrorist attack on our Democracy. That’s why they didn’t mind voting for him. Most didn’t pay any attention to the J6 committee. And most don’t even agree that 2020 was “the most secure and least suspicious election in American history.” A lot of assertions that we take as holy writ within our partisan circles…are disagreed with by the public.

Votes cast for Trump don't indicate what you're alleging. So where else are you seeing this?

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a great example if the Dems would admit their mistakes from the past 10 years. Maybe that would inspire Republicans to be more critical of Trump’s first 60 days?

WTH. Why is it always on the Dems? Like seriously? The GOP controls the legislature. AT ANY MOMENT, they can make this go away.

It's on the Dems because we are the Dems. And we just got our but*s handed to us by...an unfit, beyond the pale, terrible person who all the voters already knew very well! Who the voters apparently preferred to our offering. So obviously we must have made some mistakes in the past 10 years. And if we don't (or can't) acknowledge or correct any of them, we might continue losing.

We think Trump should be immediately impeached by his own party, but we would think that, wouldn't we? The reason the Republicans in Congress don't think that is because their constituents don't think that. Trump has been the best thing ever to happen to Republicans. We may respect the whole party less, but that party is winning now, and they weren't before.

What happens when they run a populist Republican who isn't a lunatic like Trump? What's our plan to beat that person? Did we make any mistakes with our past three candidates, our immigration policies, our DEI policies? Or should we just plow forward with more of the same and hope for the best?

It's not fair for us to be self-critical when the Republicans have a lot more to be self-critical about. But it's strategically important for us. Losing to Trump in 2024 is embarrassing. And it happened in part because of us. How can we prevent it from happening again next time?

Trump was elected to a second term because Joe Biden in 2024 was as weak and unpopular of an incumbent POTUS as Trump was in 2020. If you want to fairly criticize Dems for allowing a Trump second term to happen, put a spotlight on the elite powers in the Dem Party that paved the way for a 77 year old Biden to become the Dem nominee in 2020.

He was unpopular because the media harped on baby formula, egg prices and Hunter dick pix and never really reported on how good the US economy actually was. if the media gave trump anything close to the same treatment in 2020 or now, or during the campaign, we wouldn't be here.

Hilarious cope. Dems only lost because of…the media?

Media sponging GOP talking points uncritically got us here on the trans issue, which at the high school sports level is like a handful of cases, so yes, the media was part of it. the dems are also awful at messaging.

There’s no good way to message the trans athletes position. “There aren’t that many and why are Republicans so obsessed” doesn’t erase the fact that our party supports biological males on the girls’ sports team and i. The girls’ locker room. The voters no likey. We either have to throw trans folk overboard and win, or stand by them and lose with dignity. Ain’t no messaging can fix this unpopular position. Wait until the MAPs start whining about being oppressed. If we take that bait like we took the trans oppression bait, we will be doomed to wander the wilderness, out of power for half a century

Or we could just focus on nominating someone with legitimate POTUS leadership skills like the last two Dem two-term POTUSs had instead of bending over for the party elites by accepting another Biden thrown in our face.

All this silly concern about messaging goes away when you have a LEGITIMATE leader crafting and communicating their own messaging.

Not even great communicators Barack Obama or Bill Clinton could sell trans athletes to the voters. Not that they’d even try. Those two were arch-conservatives by today’s standards

No one is trying to sell "trans athletes" to the voters. The GOP was successful in fabricating a false narrative regarding Biden's campaign platform due to Biden being a very weak leader and poor communicator. This can easily be fixed by having more Clintons and Obamas and less Bidens.

We have to sell them to voters or drop them. The GOP has made so much hay with this. They won’t let us get away with supporting this on the downlow and claiming it’s no big deal. Senate Dems just voted unanimously for biological males (originally) in girls’ sports. Our opponents will be bringing this up for years, even after we drop this position, if we ever do.

We have some policies that are poison to swing voters, but we’re overcommitted to them for various reasons. We may have to drop some of our cherished virtue signaling positions if they are hurting us with the voters.

Senators have to answer to the electorate in their home states. If they have of track record of supporting policies that are in conflict with the wishes of a majority of their home state electorate, it's the job of their electorate to vote them out.

No 2028 POTUS candidate will be selling "trans athletes" because that would clearly be in conflict with what the majority of the American electorate wants.

Do you now understand the difference between Senator and POTUS candidate?

The Party clearly stands for trans folks, gender affirming care, gender fluidity education for elementary school students, pronouns, and biological males in girls’ sports. Of course our future silver-tongued devil (Buttigieg) isn’t going to lead with this. But GOPers and progressive trans activists are going to demand to know where the party stands. The candidate will have three choices: reaffirm the Party’s stance on trans athletes, change the Party’s stance on trans athletes, or cop out and avoid the question. Same thing on many issues. Evasiveness may seem like a way to square the circle, to support unpopular policies without paying for it with voters. But then we get dinged (maybe less?) for the evasiveness itself.

Umkay. A few whacko Congress members are out of touch with reality and you think they speak for an entire political party? You're an idiot. No one of any significance thinks biological males should be allowed to compete in women's sports. Turn off your garbage cable news, get out of your stinky basement, and talk to real people who aren't paid 30 million dollars a year to brainwash their gullible viewers.

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100% of Democratic Senators just voted for it. Look it up. I’m sure they did it to thwart Trump, stand against hate, provoke bible beaters, etc, rather than out of any real desire to see Big Bertha breaking noses on the volleyball court, but they did it. Not a few wackos—every Democrat in the US Senate

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think that they will ever admit that voting for a guy that can’t say a recession isn’t coming after he told them he’d have prices coming down, will ever say he was a mistake?

Everything is great from how I see things. Common sense is prevailing. If you referring to the stock market, it doesn’t go up in a straight line. Let’s review in 4 years and then you can judge.

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Anonymous wrote:100% of Democratic Senators just voted for it. Look it up. I’m sure they did it to thwart Trump, stand against hate, provoke bible beaters, etc, rather than out of any real desire to see Big Bertha breaking noses on the volleyball court, but they did it. Not a few wackos—every Democrat in the US Senate

Once again I'll explain this to the simpletons- Senators and POTUS candidates are two different things. There are zero good Senators in Congress. They all suck. This is old news. Our 2028 POTUS nominee won't be a Senator. I could care less about Senators voting against or for partisan garbage bills. I care about having a legitimate POTUS take office in January 2029.

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Of course it’s a stupid, distracting fringe issue, probably a big favorite of bailed out bankers and donors from both parties, but it’s a stupid fringe issue Democrats won’t drop, and therefore one GOPers will keep benefitting from. The public is 90/10 against. And yet there ARE biological males on girls’ sports teams and in girls’ locker rooms. Not many, but some. And a lot more than there used to be. Someone is making the rules that allow this, and those someones aren’t Republicans.

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Anonymous wrote:100% of Democratic Senators just voted for it. Look it up. I’m sure they did it to thwart Trump, stand against hate, provoke bible beaters, etc, rather than out of any real desire to see Big Bertha breaking noses on the volleyball court, but they did it. Not a few wackos—every Democrat in the US Senate

Once again I'll explain this to the simpletons- Senators and POTUS candidates are two different things. There are zero good Senators in Congress. They all suck. This is old news. Our 2028 POTUS nominee won't be a Senator. I could care less about Senators voting against or for partisan garbage bills. I care about having a legitimate POTUS take office in January 2029.

I’m for that! But that person will have to either start a new party or helm an existing party. And if he or she is helming an old party, the voters will ask which of that party’s policies will change vs stay the same. Kamala got hurt by refusing to say. Can a silver-tongued-devil do better. Of course. But I still wonder what the winning formula is on this issue—affirm current Dem platform, change it, or evade the question. And by the way, it’s not just Congress. The executive branch under Biden was very committed to trans education, underage hormone treatment, underage surgery, etc for most of the term.

I’m guessing you’ll recommend evasion, since your response to the trans question is “a few wacko Congresspeople aren’t the President,” then “All Dem Senators aren’t the President.l. Uh, yes, I know. I’m just wondering what we’re going to say about the trans issues we have so far supported as a party to the voters who don’t support those issues. And to the LGBTQIA+ voters who will go to war over this if we try to tack to the center.

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Anonymous wrote:100% of Democratic Senators just voted for it. Look it up. I’m sure they did it to thwart Trump, stand against hate, provoke bible beaters, etc, rather than out of any real desire to see Big Bertha breaking noses on the volleyball court, but they did it. Not a few wackos—every Democrat in the US Senate

Once again I'll explain this to the simpletons- Senators and POTUS candidates are two different things. There are zero good Senators in Congress. They all suck. This is old news. Our 2028 POTUS nominee won't be a Senator. I could care less about Senators voting against or for partisan garbage bills. I care about having a legitimate POTUS take office in January 2029.

I’m for that! But that person will have to either start a new party or helm an existing party. And if he or she is helming an old party, the voters will ask which of that party’s policies will change vs stay the same. Kamala got hurt by refusing to say. Can a silver-tongued-devil do better. Of course. But I still wonder what the winning formula is on this issue—affirm current Dem platform, change it, or evade the question. And by the way, it’s not just Congress. The executive branch under Biden was very committed to trans education, underage hormone treatment, underage surgery, etc for most of the term.

I’m guessing you’ll recommend evasion, since your response to the trans question is “a few wacko Congresspeople aren’t the President,” then “All Dem Senators aren’t the President.l. Uh, yes, I know. I’m just wondering what we’re going to say about the trans issues we have so far supported as a party to the voters who don’t support those issues. And to the LGBTQIA+ voters who will go to war over this if we try to tack to the center.

Biden is no longer a relevant influence on the party. No 2028 Dem or GOP POTUS candidate is going make "Trans" anything part of their political platforms. Get some fresh air and get over your obsession with this "trans" issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think that they will ever admit that voting for a guy that can’t say a recession isn’t coming after he told them he’d have prices coming down, will ever say he was a mistake?

Everything is great from how I see things. Common sense is prevailing. If you referring to the stock market, it doesn’t go up in a straight line. Let’s review in 4 years and then you can judge.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think that they will ever admit that voting for a guy that can’t say a recession isn’t coming after he told them he’d have prices coming down, will ever say he was a mistake?

Everything is great from how I see things. Common sense is prevailing. If you referring to the stock market, it doesn’t go up in a straight line. Let’s review in 4 years and by then you can judge.

dcurbanmoms are solipsistic and prone to projecting their experiences onto others. Of course the first gov layoffs in 30 years and a new unpredictable administration who prefers the “other” lobbyists and a potential fall in DC house prices and a loss of sweet taxpayer funds flowing to thousands of DC non-profits feel like the sky is falling. But to regular taxpayers in flyover states, it feels like an overdue reduction in waste and fraud.

Yes Trump and Musk are taking them for a ride. But Republicans and swing voters prefer it to Ridin’ with Biden. As hard as that is for dcurbanmoms to believe or understand.

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Anonymous wrote:100% of Democratic Senators just voted for it. Look it up. I’m sure they did it to thwart Trump, stand against hate, provoke bible beaters, etc, rather than out of any real desire to see Big Bertha breaking noses on the volleyball court, but they did it. Not a few wackos—every Democrat in the US Senate

Once again I'll explain this to the simpletons- Senators and POTUS candidates are two different things. There are zero good Senators in Congress. They all suck. This is old news. Our 2028 POTUS nominee won't be a Senator. I could care less about Senators voting against or for partisan garbage bills. I care about having a legitimate POTUS take office in January 2029.

I’m for that! But that person will have to either start a new party or helm an existing party. And if he or she is helming an old party, the voters will ask which of that party’s policies will change vs stay the same. Kamala got hurt by refusing to say. Can a silver-tongued-devil do better. Of course. But I still wonder what the winning formula is on this issue—affirm current Dem platform, change it, or evade the question. And by the way, it’s not just Congress. The executive branch under Biden was very committed to trans education, underage hormone treatment, underage surgery, etc for most of the term.

I’m guessing you’ll recommend evasion, since your response to the trans question is “a few wacko Congresspeople aren’t the President,” then “All Dem Senators aren’t the President.l. Uh, yes, I know. I’m just wondering what we’re going to say about the trans issues we have so far supported as a party to the voters who don’t support those issues. And to the LGBTQIA+ voters who will go to war over this if we try to tack to the center.

Biden is no longer a relevant influence on the party. No 2028 Dem or GOP POTUS candidate is going make "Trans" anything part of their political platforms. Get some fresh air and get over your obsession with this "trans" issue.

Dems just lost, in part due to this issue. Based on that fact, it’s silly to pooh pooh it, even if you consider the topic beneath you.

GOP surrogates will pound the Democrats to answer this question. And if Dems haven’t abandoned the current Dem Party platform, there will be plenty of videos of Big Berthas beating America’s daughters in sports, at times injuring them, and always freaking them out in the locker room. And stories of transwomen getting transferred to women’s prisons and raping their “fellow” women. And stories of drag queen story hours and transing activists in elementary schools.

Fancy centrist Dems don’t like admitting everything that goes on inside our big tent. But it does go on, and we have a choice how we address it. Your choice is clear—din’t change it, just pretend it doesn’t exist. We’ll see how effective that strategy turns out to be

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Once again I'll explain this to the simpletons- Senators and POTUS candidates are two different things. There are zero good Senators in Congress. They all suck. This is old news. Our 2028 POTUS nominee won't be a Senator. I could care less about Senators voting against or for partisan garbage bills. I care about having a legitimate POTUS take office in January 2029.

I’m for that! But that person will have to either start a new party or helm an existing party. And if he or she is helming an old party, the voters will ask which of that party’s policies will change vs stay the same. Kamala got hurt by refusing to say. Can a silver-tongued-devil do better. Of course. But I still wonder what the winning formula is on this issue—affirm current Dem platform, change it, or evade the question. And by the way, it’s not just Congress. The executive branch under Biden was very committed to trans education, underage hormone treatment, underage surgery, etc for most of the term.

I’m guessing you’ll recommend evasion, since your response to the trans question is “a few wacko Congresspeople aren’t the President,” then “All Dem Senators aren’t the President.l. Uh, yes, I know. I’m just wondering what we’re going to say about the trans issues we have so far supported as a party to the voters who don’t support those issues. And to the LGBTQIA+ voters who will go to war over this if we try to tack to the center.

Biden is no longer a relevant influence on the party. No 2028 Dem or GOP POTUS candidate is going make "Trans" anything part of their political platforms. Get some fresh air and get over your obsession with this "trans" issue.

Dems just lost, in part due to this issue. Based on that fact, it’s silly to pooh pooh it, even if you consider the topic beneath you.

GOP surrogates will pound the Democrats to answer this question. And if Dems haven’t abandoned the current Dem Party platform, there will be plenty of videos of Big Berthas beating America’s daughters in sports, at times injuring them, and always freaking them out in the locker room. And stories of transwomen getting transferred to women’s prisons and raping their “fellow” women. And stories of drag queen story hours and transing activists in elementary schools.

Fancy centrist Dems don’t like admitting everything that goes on inside our big tent. But it does go on, and we have a choice how we address it. Your choice is clear—din’t change it, just pretend it doesn’t exist. We’ll see how effective that strategy turns out to be

Oh you two-bit pathetic 80 IQ fool. Dems lost in 2024 because they had an unfit and unpopular incumbent candidate back out of the race a month prior to the party convention. No incumbent party in American history could win in the 2024 election scenario the Dems had to deal with. If you think some silly identity issue pushed by the GOP was more of a factor in the 2024 election than the incumbent backing out of the race 3 months prior to election day, you have truly lived up to the two-bit pathetic 80 IQ fool title you have now been given.

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Anonymous wrote:The pandemic proved a worthy opponent for Trump because it was unaffected by his insults. Perhaps the same is true of the economy?

Yes. It’s called the “invisible hand” of the market for a reason. And the invisible hand is slapping Trump bigly.

All because he couldn’t handle not being reelected in 2020.

+1 I stated repeatedly, this was going to be a big FU presidency. He doesn't actually care about the average Joe (pardon the pun).

No, actually, you elitist democrats don't care about the average Joe. As long as money pours into DC and you get your check, you couldn't care less.

Why do people keep saying “ elitist democrats”! I grew up working class. Everyone in my family is still working class. I did well. They need head start for preschool, they need scholarships for college, they need aca and Medicaid, they took the stimulus, they need unions. I don’t but I know they do. They voted for trump. I did not because I care about them even though they have no idea they voted against their own interests.

When you ask them why it’s because…he says it like it is, he’s a business man, he’s kicking out the illegals. That’s it.