Chevy Chase Community Center Redevelopment

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So let’s ponder this: GGW takes money from the Chevy Chase Land Company but pays bloggers to assert that Chevy Chase should be massively redeveloped because the founder of the Chevy Chase Land Company over a century ago was a racist?

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Anonymous wrote:So let’s ponder this: GGW takes money from the Chevy Chase Land Company but pays bloggers to assert that Chevy Chase should be massively redeveloped because the founder of the Chevy Chase Land Company over a century ago was a racist?

According to GGW, the person who bought a house from a person who bought a house from a person who bought a house from a person who bought a house from the Chevy Chase Land Company is the real racist.

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Anonymous wrote:We are a group of people who vote as well, and "our" "GGW" candidates somehow keep winning. go figure.

Yeah, it's a great accomplishment to win an unopposed campaign. Like I said, let's see how the next election goes.

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Anonymous wrote:We are a group of people who vote as well, and "our" "GGW" candidates somehow keep winning. go figure.

Yeah, it's a great accomplishment to win an unopposed campaign. Like I said, let's see how the next election goes.

That's not really a strong argument. These issues are not new and in theory something should have happened in the "last election", including fielding a candidate. I have yet to meet a new family moving into the area that does not lean pro-growth (and probably has no idea who or what GGW is).

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Anonymous wrote:We are a group of people who vote as well, and "our" "GGW" candidates somehow keep winning. go figure.

Yeah, it's a great accomplishment to win an unopposed campaign. Like I said, let's see how the next election goes.

That's not really a strong argument. These issues are not new and in theory something should have happened in the "last election", including fielding a candidate. I have yet to meet a new family moving into the area that does not lean pro-growth (and probably has no idea who or what GGW is).

Are you bragging out ANC elections? LOL.

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According to GGW, the person who bought a house from a person who bought a house from a person who bought a house from a person who bought a house from the Chevy Chase Land Company is the real racist.

The argument that it's the reason for Chevy Chase's current demographics (and there have been Washington Post articles written on this as well) is one of the most idiotic and easily disprovable things to come about recently.

Here's a map of racial covenants in D.C.:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/12/17/racial-covenants-mapping/

You can see there weren't many along upper Connecticut Avenue. Petworth, Trinidad and parts of Anacostia had far more. Anyone who knows anything about the city can look at that map and tell that racial covenant areas in no way correlate to the current demographics of the city.

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Anonymous wrote:We are a group of people who vote as well, and "our" "GGW" candidates somehow keep winning. go figure.

Yeah, it's a great accomplishment to win an unopposed campaign. Like I said, let's see how the next election goes.

That's not really a strong argument. These issues are not new and in theory something should have happened in the "last election", including fielding a candidate. I have yet to meet a new family moving into the area that does not lean pro-growth (and probably has no idea who or what GGW is).

Are you bragging out ANC elections? LOL.

Huh? Just responding to all the folks that lose elections "forget about the election we lost...just you wait for the next election"

The PP was the person who introduced the topic.

[Anonymous]

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According to GGW, the person who bought a house from a person who bought a house from a person who bought a house from a person who bought a house from the Chevy Chase Land Company is the real racist.

The argument that it's the reason for Chevy Chase's current demographics (and there have been Washington Post articles written on this as well) is one of the most idiotic and easily disprovable things to come about recently.

Here's a map of racial covenants in D.C.:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/12/17/racial-covenants-mapping/

You can see there weren't many along upper Connecticut Avenue. Petworth, Trinidad and parts of Anacostia had far more. Anyone who knows anything about the city can look at that map and tell that racial covenant areas in no way correlate to the current demographics of the city.

The DC Office of Planning argued with a straight face that decades-ago racial covenants in neighborhoods in Ward 3 required substantial upzoning in the Comprehensive Plan re-write to address their “lingering effects.” So neighborhoods like Chevy Chase and Cleveland Park had their density and height limits raised for dense mixed use development. Yet parts of the District where there were far greater concentrations of racial covenants saw no or little change in density and upzoning. Like most of what the DC uber-development lobby and their government pals push, the racial covenant justification was simply BS, a specious ground to spin upzoning in areas that are the most lucrative profit opportunities for developers.

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Anonymous wrote:And why does some dude spend all of his time trying to pimp for GGW and the bike bros on a mom's blog? So weird.

Apparently there are two of them who do this, or so they say. Which is both funny and sad that two GGWers would agree to waste all of their time doing this.

Some say its the Forum owners..

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Anonymous wrote:And why does some dude spend all of his time trying to pimp for GGW and the bike bros on a mom's blog? So weird.

Apparently there are two of them who do this, or so they say. Which is both funny and sad that two GGWers would agree to waste all of their time doing this.

Some say its the Forum owners..

Cannot possibly be true because I saw a post where the forum owner called that a conspiracy theory, but didn’t respond to a question about whether he or other mods also post anonymously.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, I don't think any of this shit matters. Mary Rowse unilaterally filed her 20 year old Historic District designation request this week. Now everyone in this area will be doomed to kneeling at her altar and begging to be able to do light gray paint rather than white.

Historic preservation doesn't cover paint color.

Wood siding with stucco then. Jesus. Same thing. Mary and crew gonna give everyone a hard time just because they can and they enjoy exercising power over others.

They tried to create a historic district 15 years ago and the community voted it down by a 4-to-1 margin.

Frumin is against and let’s hope the process at least is the same as last time as I think the community will again vote it down by a similarly wide margin.

Didn’t realize Chairman Frumin had power over historic designations.

He doesn’t, but assuming all the ANCs are against, the affected population is against and the Ward 3 rep is against…makes it hard to approve.

The ANCs have no role in the historic designation process.

Most of the Connecticut Corridor ANCs now are pro-smart growth and against preservation.

What, exactly, is smart growth? And why do they think it is needed?

And why exactly is “Smart Growth” needed in Chevy Chase DC which was planned as a low-scale leafy semi suburban neighborhood. There have been and are plenty of locations in DC where dense, tall and mixed -use development is welcomed, like the Wharf, Nancy Yard, etc. DC has a diversity of neighborhoods with different attributes that make many singular if not unique. Is it necessary that they all look the same?

Around 1900, with a streetcar, by a segregationist. Now it's 120 years later, and things do sometimes change.

You mean the segregationist senator who was a founder of the Chevy Chase Land Company 125 years ago? Chevy Chase Land Co today funds Greater Greater Washington. So a long ago association with a segregationist investor justifies upzoning a somehow “tainted” green, lower density neighborhood to dense upmarket development ? Yet it’s perfectly fine for GGW to take money from the same company that the segregationist founded?

Is GGW advocating for keeping Chevy Chase the way the segregationists wanted it in 1900? No. Are you? Well, no, you also aren't, because otherwise you'd be advocating for the return of the streetcar and the abolition of street parking. Chevy Chase DC was planned as a neighborhood without cars, after all.

What about horses? Did they design it for abundant horse parking?

1. Horses aren't cars.
2. Cars aren't horses.
3. No.

According to you, the Chevy Chase Development Co did not take into account the dominant form of transportation at the time when developing housing? LOL.

Streetcars and feet.

Isn’t your objection to low density areas like Chevy Chase that they are not designed to facilitate more walking? Yet here you are trying to tell people that back in 1900, rich people were going to move to this low density, isolated and exclusive suburb and walk? Where the hell were they supposed to walk to? There was barely a couple stores back then.

There's plenty of information about streetcar suburbs, if you're interested in learning some history.

So you’re telling me that the rich people who lived in these exclusive, low density street car suburbs had no other access to transportation than their own two feet?

Please read up on streetcar suburbs. Especially if you think that people then used horses like people now use cars. There is a ton of information you can use to educate yourself.

Please answer the question. I really need to know that you believe that rich people in an intentionally designed, low density community would spend their time taking the streetcar to and from downtown DC and then otherwise just being stuck at home because they had no other form of transportation to get anywhere. Like this is honestly what you believe. It’s so insane.

Please learn some history.

I’m sorry but it’s hilariously funny to me that you believe this so inherently insane thing that’s so obviously insane that you even refuse to acknowledge it yourself.

Rich people were not intentionally moving to this exclusive, low density community without any other means of transportation than a streetcar that only takes them to and from downtown DC.

Rich people at no point in human history ever walked anywhere when other options were available.

It’s just preposterous to argue something so ridiculous.

Your assumptions are incorrect, your premises are incorrect, you don't know any history, you don't know anything about horses, please go educate yourself.

I get it. Sometimes it’s hard to come to terms with facts that disrupt ideas that we mistakenly thought were true. But here’s some truth, if you just think about the implications of what you’re saying for 30 seconds you know that it makes no sense.

I sure hope you're not part of the application for historic designation, because you don't know any history. There's just no polite way to say that.

Please just say it. Repeat these words:

“I believe that the rich people who moved to Chevy Chase in 1900 had no other transportation options than a streetcar that only traveled to and from downtown DC and their own two feet”

This is apparently what you hilariously believe.

On the other hand, maybe I hope you actually are part of the application for historic designation.

Sadly no, but I’m very grateful for the community-minded volunteers who researched and prepared the historic district nomination. That reflects a tremendous amount of work.

Sounds like you enthusiastically support it…I don’t think PP was being literal.

DC’s overreach in Chevy Chase has galvanised support for the historic district.

[Anonymous]

What is DC's overreach? That it wants to add affordable housing to its own property?

And how exactly would a historic district prevent that from happening?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We are a group of people who vote as well, and "our" "GGW" candidates somehow keep winning. go figure.

Yeah, it's a great accomplishment to win an unopposed campaign. Like I said, let's see how the next election goes.

That's not really a strong argument. These issues are not new and in theory something should have happened in the "last election", including fielding a candidate. I have yet to meet a new family moving into the area that does not lean pro-growth (and probably has no idea who or what GGW is).

Crime is the top issue now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And why does some dude spend all of his time trying to pimp for GGW and the bike bros on a mom's blog? So weird.

Apparently there are two of them who do this, or so they say. Which is both funny and sad that two GGWers would agree to waste all of their time doing this.

Some say its the Forum owners..

The forum owners have much better things to do. There are thousands of live threads.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, I don't think any of this shit matters. Mary Rowse unilaterally filed her 20 year old Historic District designation request this week. Now everyone in this area will be doomed to kneeling at her altar and begging to be able to do light gray paint rather than white.

Historic preservation doesn't cover paint color.

Wood siding with stucco then. Jesus. Same thing. Mary and crew gonna give everyone a hard time just because they can and they enjoy exercising power over others.

They tried to create a historic district 15 years ago and the community voted it down by a 4-to-1 margin.

Frumin is against and let’s hope the process at least is the same as last time as I think the community will again vote it down by a similarly wide margin.

Didn’t realize Chairman Frumin had power over historic designations.

He doesn’t, but assuming all the ANCs are against, the affected population is against and the Ward 3 rep is against…makes it hard to approve.

The ANCs have no role in the historic designation process.

Most of the Connecticut Corridor ANCs now are pro-smart growth and against preservation.

What, exactly, is smart growth? And why do they think it is needed?

And why exactly is “Smart Growth” needed in Chevy Chase DC which was planned as a low-scale leafy semi suburban neighborhood. There have been and are plenty of locations in DC where dense, tall and mixed -use development is welcomed, like the Wharf, Nancy Yard, etc. DC has a diversity of neighborhoods with different attributes that make many singular if not unique. Is it necessary that they all look the same?

Around 1900, with a streetcar, by a segregationist. Now it's 120 years later, and things do sometimes change.

You mean the segregationist senator who was a founder of the Chevy Chase Land Company 125 years ago? Chevy Chase Land Co today funds Greater Greater Washington. So a long ago association with a segregationist investor justifies upzoning a somehow “tainted” green, lower density neighborhood to dense upmarket development ? Yet it’s perfectly fine for GGW to take money from the same company that the segregationist founded?

Is GGW advocating for keeping Chevy Chase the way the segregationists wanted it in 1900? No. Are you? Well, no, you also aren't, because otherwise you'd be advocating for the return of the streetcar and the abolition of street parking. Chevy Chase DC was planned as a neighborhood without cars, after all.

What about horses? Did they design it for abundant horse parking?

1. Horses aren't cars.
2. Cars aren't horses.
3. No.

According to you, the Chevy Chase Development Co did not take into account the dominant form of transportation at the time when developing housing? LOL.

Streetcars and feet.

Isn’t your objection to low density areas like Chevy Chase that they are not designed to facilitate more walking? Yet here you are trying to tell people that back in 1900, rich people were going to move to this low density, isolated and exclusive suburb and walk? Where the hell were they supposed to walk to? There was barely a couple stores back then.

There's plenty of information about streetcar suburbs, if you're interested in learning some history.

So you’re telling me that the rich people who lived in these exclusive, low density street car suburbs had no other access to transportation than their own two feet?

Please read up on streetcar suburbs. Especially if you think that people then used horses like people now use cars. There is a ton of information you can use to educate yourself.

Please answer the question. I really need to know that you believe that rich people in an intentionally designed, low density community would spend their time taking the streetcar to and from downtown DC and then otherwise just being stuck at home because they had no other form of transportation to get anywhere. Like this is honestly what you believe. It’s so insane.

Please learn some history.

I’m sorry but it’s hilariously funny to me that you believe this so inherently insane thing that’s so obviously insane that you even refuse to acknowledge it yourself.

Rich people were not intentionally moving to this exclusive, low density community without any other means of transportation than a streetcar that only takes them to and from downtown DC.

Rich people at no point in human history ever walked anywhere when other options were available.

It’s just preposterous to argue something so ridiculous.

Your assumptions are incorrect, your premises are incorrect, you don't know any history, you don't know anything about horses, please go educate yourself.

I get it. Sometimes it’s hard to come to terms with facts that disrupt ideas that we mistakenly thought were true. But here’s some truth, if you just think about the implications of what you’re saying for 30 seconds you know that it makes no sense.

I sure hope you're not part of the application for historic designation, because you don't know any history. There's just no polite way to say that.

Please just say it. Repeat these words:

“I believe that the rich people who moved to Chevy Chase in 1900 had no other transportation options than a streetcar that only traveled to and from downtown DC and their own two feet”

This is apparently what you hilariously believe.

On the other hand, maybe I hope you actually are part of the application for historic designation.

Sadly no, but I’m very grateful for the community-minded volunteers who researched and prepared the historic district nomination. That reflects a tremendous amount of work.

Sounds like you enthusiastically support it…I don’t think PP was being literal.

DC’s overreach in Chevy Chase has galvanised support for the historic district.

Yep and the growth agenda is on hold until crime can be curbed. Tackling crime is the number one priority right now.